Sam Rohrer: Well according to the latest April 2018 Pew Research Report, just a month or so ago, Americans they say, are very spiritual. The vast majority, 90%, say they believe in some kind of a “higher power.” Now get this. Yet only 56% say they believe in the God of the Bible. A full 33%, almost a full third say that they believe in some other deity or spiritual force, but not God of the Bible. Now research from September of 2017, again of last year, came to a similar remarkable finding that a majority of Americans now say they are spiritual but not religious. Other research says that approximately 70% of millennials say faith is important to them, but not important what faith. Now, do these facts seem contradictory to you, or at least a bit confusing? Frankly, they are. But they tell a remarkable story. Is it possible, ladies and gentleman, that just being spiritual or having faith is the goal to be obtained, or is this kind of thinking deception, and deception of the highest and most dangerous sort? Well, the general theme for today’s program is confronting the deception that being spiritual can be done without being Godly.
Sam Rohrer: And with that introduction today I want to welcome you to Stand in the Gap today. I’m Sam Rohrer and I’m going to be joined by evangelist, Dave Kistler, and our other cohost, Dr. Gary Dahl is away from us yet today, not feeling back up to full steam yet, he’s home sick. So, and to walk through this critical focus today with us will be our special guest, Dr. Alex McFarland. He’s a speaker, he’s an author, and he’s an advocate for Christian apologetics as well as being the director of a Biblical worldview research institute that he teaches down at Christian Worldview Center of North Greenville University, Greenville, South Carolina. And with that, Alex, I’m glad that you’re with us. You just got off a plane and we were concerned that you weren’t gonna make it here on this live program, but we’re thankful that you’re with us today.
Alex McFarland: Well, thank you so much. It’s a great honor to be on with you all, and thank you for your patience with me coming through the Washington DC airport.
Sam Rohrer: Well, we all need patience with Washington DC, and sometimes a little bit more than patience, don’t we Alex?
Alex McFarland: Well, yes. Well said, well said.
Sam Rohrer: I wanna get right into this. We got a lot to do in this program. This is a rather heavy topic from the standpoint of its significance. As a speaker and a Christian apologist you’ve preached in over 1500 churches, you’ve debated in worldview forums, you’ve taught college-level students for many years, and this news, this little bit of research I gave, these top lines, I know it’s not new to you. It’s not new to us on this program either because we’ve talked about some of these things, but I do want to dig a little bit into it because I think the impact could be, and is extraordinary.
Sam Rohrer: Let me set it up this way. The book of Second Timothy chapter three, the apostle Paul lays out, he says “Understand,” he says, “in the last days there will come times of difficulty. People will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,” a whole list of things, “reckless, swollen with conceit.” Then it comes down and goes to this part. He said “having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power.” Alex, I gave those top headlines. These research findings I’ve shared align with what you’re seeing and what this verse is saying condition of our nation, and perhaps more particularly the condition of the church in America.
Alex McFarland: Yeah. You’ve set this up so well, Sam. We are seeing the fruits, really, or the results of a 40-year drift away from Biblical literacy and Biblical authority. The divide between those that know Christ and are committed followers of Jesus and are in the word, they know the son of God, they believe the Word of God, they are a child of God. The divide between those people and the people that are merely religious, they espouse some self-styled spirituality but it’s not really New Testament born again Christianity, the divide is becoming greater and greater, and what I’m about to say might sound kind of old fashioned or anachronistic, but it’s not, it’s really Biblical. We need a revival and we need a move of God’s Holy Spirit that empowers and awakens the church and convicts and draws, and converts the souls of lost people.
Alex McFarland: Sam, I want to comment on something you said that in the intro you were talking about this spiritual but not religious, people believe in god but not the God of the Bible and you said it was tragic to a monumental degree. It is, because what we’re talking about are the souls of people and people spending eternity separated from Christ, believing that they somehow know God only to leave this world and discover that they were lost. And that should break all of our hearts and motivate us to action.
Sam Rohrer: It does Alex, and it should. I tell you, I want to go a little further into this, because when we talk about words such as spiritual, religious, and so forth we’ve gotta define the terms. You know that, I know that. Whoever controls the definition controls the debate. I want to define just a couple of these terms as we begin to move into the program. If you could, this concept that a person can be spiritual without being godly, which is really what they’re saying, define those terms, spiritual and godly, put those two together and then we’ll come back and we’ll begin to get that a little bit more on the next segment.
Alex McFarland: Great question. Well, spiritual as most pluralistic 21st century Americans understand it really is this amorphous, very nebulous, undefined idea that I’m a pretty good person, and I’m a reflective person. I’m a little introspective and I just appreciate life, and you gotta stop and smell the roses, and you know, I might read the horoscope a few times a month. Spiritual can mean anything, but essentially it means nothing.
Alex McFarland: Now the Bible tells us though, how we can know that we will go to heaven when we die, and that’s through a born again relationship with Jesus. The word [foreign language 00:06:54] means born from above. We were all born physically. I mean, if you’re a human being you have a birthday, a day that you were physically born, but according to Jesus Christ, to go to heaven you must be born again, born a second time, and that comes through repentance and faith. You repent, you admit, you say “God, I admit that I’m a sinner. I’m sorry for my sins. I’m willing to turn to Jesus and I believe who he is and what he did. He is the Son of God, he died on the cross, and I’m committing my soul to his forgiveness, restoration, and care.” There’s a big difference between spiritual but truly godly in the biblical sense.
Sam Rohrer: Well ladies and gentlemen, you’re listening to Stand in the Gap today, Dr. Alex McFarland is our guest, Dave Kistler, our theme, confronting the deception that is that you can actually be spiritual without being godly. With nearly 75% of all Americans claiming to be Christians but only 56% saying they believe in the God of the Bible, we’re clearly in trouble. And according to research from George Barna and The American Culture and Faith Institute, of the 75% who say they’re Christians, less than a third would indicate that they’ve had a relationship with Jesus Christ or that they would be perhaps born again. Now, faith we’re told in several other surveys, Pew Surveys and some others, tell us that it’s more important to have faith, at least that’s the view of the younger generation in particular, than what kind of faith, and as we’ve talked there are those who believe that spirituality is more important than being godly.
Sam Rohrer: So either God has changed the terms for redemption and holy living and what it means to be a Christian, or there has been some kind of demonic deception that has overtaken our land as the apostle Paul warned Timothy where he said beware, because there’s gonna be a time when people will come who will pride themselves in being religious and having a form of godliness, but will deny the true power of godliness, in its essence, deny the God of heaven. The implications of this deceptions are really profound. We’re gonna talk more in this segment about this with our special guest, Dr. Alex McFarland. He’s an author, speaker, Christian apologist, and he’s director of Christian World View and Apologetics at the Christian Worldview Center of North Greenville University in Greenville, South Carolina.
Sam Rohrer: Alex, let me go back in here with you now. Before we get further into the cause for the how we got to this level of deception, and I want to do that in the next segment, let’s continue just a little bit more on defining the terms spiritual versus godly, faith versus biblical faith, form of godliness but denying rather the power of that. Take those kind of thoughts together and add to them definitional frameworks for us to understand this discussion as we go into it.
Alex McFarland: Well, it’s interesting. The Greek word there in second Timothy three for godliness is [foreign language 00:10:02] which means devotion to God, or piety, really holiness. And in the Bible it says in Romans chapter four, when we turn to Christ and are saved, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us. This is an absolutely unique teaching of Christianity. One of the things that sets Christianity apart is the idea of Christ’s righteousness imparted, imputed to us. So here’s the difference. A person could be as spiritual in the eyes of the world as one could possibly imagine, I mean maybe you give a little money to charities, and you’re an all around nice person, and you’re introspective, and you meditate, you could be spiritual by any man’s definitions, but if you do not stand before God in the righteousness of Jesus you will not go to heaven.
Alex McFarland: There’s a passage of scripture, and for those listening I’m gonna quote the Bible and you might say well gee, what’s unique about the Bible? But the Bible is a book shown to be inspired by God by compelling lines of evidence, and I’ve spent 30 years researching, writing, earning, post graduate degrees and teaching on the evidence for the Bible, and maybe that’s a whole nother subject for another show, but the Bible, God’s word, says in Matthew 7:21-24, many will say to Jesus in the judgment day, Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name. We cast out demons. We did many wonderful works. In other words, we used religious language. We could do religious activities, and we even did many benevolent things, and Jesus says, I never knew you.
Alex McFarland: In other words, going to heaven, being in a right relationship with God and being prepared for eternity is predicated on having a relationship with Jesus and God defines that relationship, not us, not the tides of culture, not Oprah, The View, or the pop voices of our time. God alone defines how we come to him, and he said that we have to be born again, and that has not changed even though we’re in the internet, wired up 21st century.
Sam Rohrer: Alex, what you’re doing even on this program is, not just referring to the scriptures, but you’re quoting critical key passages from the scriptures. One of the things that I am watching take place around the country as I travel is a minimization or demeaning of the Bible. In fact, I have heard some millennial-age pastors actually say this. We want to follow the life of Jesus, or we want to follow Jesus Christ, but then they totally demean the scriptures. They demean the Old Testament. They relegate it to a place of being absolutely not the word of God, and then they’ll come into some of the epistles of the New Testament, and they demean those. So what’s happening, Alex, as we move through this culture and we’re talking about faith being the pursuit in and of itself, not the end of our faith, which is a person, Jesus Christ. What’s gonna continue happening if we see this ongoing, increased demeaning of the scriptures which is the foundation of our very faith itself?
Alex McFarland: Well Sam, I’m glad you bring this up. Everything old is new again. About 80 years ago, [inaudible 00:13:41] century, [inaudible 00:13:43] Schweitzer and a number of other theologians went on what they called the quest for the historical Jesus, and a phrase was going around called the Christ of faith versus the Jesus of history. So this was the idea to them. The Jesus of history may have been one of a myriad of things. Maybe Jesus was just this sage, or some teacher, that he didn’t really claim to be God, and the Christ of faith, the Jesus that I concoct and hold near and dear in my heart can be kind of something I’m more comfortable with, as if the Jesus of history and the Christ that I think I believe in could be two different things. Nowadays that manifests itself. It was [inaudible 00:14:33] modernism and liberalism, higher criticism, in other words we’re going to abandon what the Bible clearly says. Now, the Bible clearly says that Jesus Christ is not merely a good man, he is the God man. Jesus didn’t speak just for the Lord, he spoke as the Lord.
Alex McFarland: And I want to challenge everyone listening to make sure that the Jesus that you believe in is really the authentic real biblical Jesus because, again, back to the scripture, John eight verse 24, Christ, the Lord Jesus, the only one who ever rose from the dead, Jesus said if you do not believe that I am he, in other words the savior, you will die in your sins.
Alex McFarland: Alright, so nowadays we’ve got people like Andy Stanley who say that we really don’t need the Old Testament because you know, the Old Testament, oh man it’s so offensive and it’s harsh, and the God of the Old Testament was a pretty bad guy, so let’s just have this loving, kinder, gentler, fuzzy Jesus bunny that we think we find in the New Testament. I get so many people that say, you know, God is not about law and standard, God is about love and tolerance. The fact is, in the quest to never offend anybody, and in the quest to never say or preach anything that the modern world might find offensive, this hypersensitive perpetually offended modern world in which we find ourselves we’ve truncated the scriptures. Let me just say this fellas, it’s been my privilege for a long time to teach apologetics, to speak and debate and do a lot of radio. I love content. I love great authors and quotes, but I have found out that God blesses the proclamation of his word. We’ve done a show for nine years now called Exploring the Word, and we have gone through the Bible in all of it’s clarity and it’s uncanny. We can be teaching through something like the book of Numbers and people will call in and want to pray to receive Jesus and be saved.
Alex McFarland: I have found, and I’ve had a vivid reminder, and frankly a wakeup call that if you want to see a move of God and the power of the Lord in the lives of people, proclaim, present, stand on the Word, because that is what God has promised to bless.
Sam Rohrer: Amen. I tell you Alex, you are so right on with what we’re saying. There is no hope outside the word of God. There is no-
Alex McFarland: That’s right.
Sam Rohrer: -knowledge of truth without God’s word. And you’ve made it very, very clear. Lives are at stake. The failure to understand what we’re talking about is an eternal impact potential, it’s gonna go to heaven or go to hell. And we only have about a minute left here, Alex, but put it in simple terms. Make the application of this. So we’re not only talking about eternal destiny, but this has an impact on our nation. Can we expect to maintain civil freedom here in this country and what we have and come to know, if these principles are removed from our cultures?
Alex McFarland: Well, Psalm 119:93 says I will never forget your words, for through them I found life. And so it is in the scripture that we find eternal life and the way to Jesus. James three verse one says hey, don’t rush into the ministry because you’re gonna be judged more strictly. Be not many teachers because you’re gonna be scrutinized all the more thoroughly. And so there are going to be a lot of pastors and a lot of clergy that have a lot to answer for before God, who have watered down and twisted, and sanitized the scriptures.
Sam Rohrer: And I want to go into that this next segment here as we look at the cause of deception that we have, that people can think these things that I have said, ’cause you know the counter part of truth is deception, and in some respects half truth deception can be more dangerous than baldfaced lies, yet the Bible makes it clear that God is truth, Jesus Christ as God is truth. God’s word which he elevates above even his own name is truth, and it’s clear from scripture that anything or anyone that masquerades as truth but denies that Jesus Christ is Lord, or pretends that there is some other way to heaven and eternal life except through Jesus Christ is a deception and a deceiver. And when it comes to the matter of being godly, believing in a higher power but denying that Jesus is God, or having faith is more important than repenting of personal sin and placing one’s faith in Jesus Christ alone, these are dangerous deceptions, and literally life and death, eternal life and death hinges on them. The question is, how did we get to this point in America? Have we always been here? And obviously the answer is no, we haven’t always been here. This is somewhat new.
Sam Rohrer: Alex, if we could Alex McFarland, you travel all over the country, you are a Christian apologist, you’re teaching young people how to think about God’s word and apply it. You look at the research as we do. And according to what Paul told Timothy these are dangerous times, when these kinds of thoughts get here and become a part of our culture. Just a simple term. How did we get here? When did lies become acceptable to believe and truth put on the back burner. Give us your perspective of how we got to where we are Alex.
Alex McFarland: Oh, great question, great question. By the way, let me say how much I appreciate, Sam, what you all do in the America Pastor’s Network. Folks, I have pastored two churches and spoken in 2000, and I just want to encourage everybody to pray for what Sam and his staff are doing and to support and be involved, and frankly I’m just applauding you. I follow your trajectory, Sam, and The American Pastor’s Network and I’m thrilled that God has raised you up at this time. We ought to do an entire show on how we got where we are, but I mean, several big things happened over the last 200 years out of Germany, it was the rise of German liberalism, and there was a man named Frederick Schweizermacher who wrote a book that basically undermined the Bible as God’s word, and that was very influential in the life of Charles Lyell, an attorney who was an evolutionist, and his writings, principles of geology influenced Darwin.
Alex McFarland: So follow this. As the 19th century began, the academic world in Europe and America began to flirt with the idea that God was not the communicator of scripture. As the 19th century ended, evolution was becoming firmly ensconced as a philosophy, God is not the creator. By the early 20th century, for the first time post-modernism was used and by the ’40s and ’50s moral relativism was really beginning to shape not only academic classrooms but legal theories, legal philosophy, and we got away from belief in natural law, that there were some moral absolutes. Now this really began to come to fruition in the mid-1960s when Joseph Fletcher wrote a book called Situation Ethics, the New Morality.
Alex McFarland: Now, meanwhile, follow this. God is not the communicator of scripture, God is not the creator of lies, therefore he will not be the judge. If God is not part of our past he is not part of our future. God is not the ground of moral truth. Now meanwhile you’ve got people like Harry Emerson Fosdick, Norman Vincent Peale, more recently Tony Campolo. Campolo wrote a book about 20 years ago called Why Christianity Must Change or Die. You’ve got people like John Shelby Spong who not only said that we have to craft a new gospel for a new era, but we’ve got to redefine what the Bible says about sexuality. Now we got here, those are some of the enemies of the Gospel that I’ve named, but even at it’s friends, let me say this, 30 years ago when I first became a youth pastor and I would go to the national youth conferences, and the mantra was this, over and over, it’s a sin to bore a kid. This was drilled into we young youth pastors in the late 80s, and what they would say is, pizza, paintball, Pepsi. You know, super soakers, fun, laser tag. Let’s sprinkle in enough Bible to make sure that we placate the personnel committee, but if you want to grow a big youth group, fellas, make it fun.
Alex McFarland: Well, here we are, listen to this. Churchleaders.com last fall had a study that churchleaders.com said only 45% of people who attend church admit that they read their Bible once a week. One in five church goers say that they have never read, and don’t read their Bible. Now listen to this, of middle school and high school, our youth group kids, 33% do not know that the nativity is part of the Bible, 59% did not know that Jonah and the whale was in the Bible, 27% think that Superman, Harry Potter, and The Hunger Games came from the Bible. You can’t make this stuff up. This is called biblical illiteracy. Now do we love people? Of course. Do we want young people to like church and have a good time, and be drawn? Of course we do. But look. If we do church without Jesus, if we have youth group without scripture we’re just religious and maybe spiritual, but we’re not godly and we’re certainly not fulfilling our Lord’s great commission.
Alex McFarland: Let me give a quote here. This is old school, but listen to this quote. I gotta get this in before we run out of time. It was a British evangelist back in the 19th century with the Plymouth Brethren, his name was Henry Mackintosh, and he said this. Now folks, listen to this quote. “It has ever been the special design of Satan to lead God’s people away from scripture. The devil will use anything and everything for this, tradition, the church, expediency, popular opinion, reputation, influence, anything and everything Satan will use in order to get the heart and conscience away from that one golden sentence, that divine motto, it is written.” Now we have got to have a restoration, a return, a rediscovery of the pure authoritative word of God. And not only do the souls of people hang in the balance, I frankly think the future of the country and the preservation of the church depend on it. We must get back into the word of God.
Sam Rohrer: Alex, let me jump in and ask you this question. By the way, that was outstanding what you just said, but just a little while ago I was reading through first Kings 18, and in first Kings 18 you have the prophets of Baal in the contest on Mount Carmel and you see them exhibiting faith in Baal, which is a deity that does not even really exist, to the point that they get up on top of an altar, they cut themselves with knives and swords after their manner, the scripture says, in other words after their custom. This was not the first time they had gone through this ritualistic experience trying to get the attention of this deity called Baal, but Baal does not exist. And so in this passage you have not just the presence of faith, you have the presence of great faith, but it is faith that is totally misplaced. So I’d love for you to talk a little bit about the fact that it’s not the presence of faith or the size of our faith that’s important, it’s who our faith is in, the person of Jesus Christ, and faith can only come by hearing, and hearing the word of God. That’s why that quote you gave by Mackintosh is so, so critically important. Talk about that for a second if you will.
Alex McFarland: God bless you! You know, one of the very first debates I ever did at a university, I was at my alma mater, UNC Greensboro, University of North Carolina at Greensboro, and I spoke there about 1996, and I’ll never forget a professor. I had done a presentation on the resurrection of Christ and I said look, here’s the evidence if Jesus rose, I mean if he really rose from the dead, that validates the man and the message, who he is and what he taught. And he taught you must be born again. So professor gets up during the Q&A and during the rebuttal time. I hadn’t thought about this ’til just now Sam, and the professor said, and this is a verbatim quote, “I don’t think it’s important what you believe, as long as you’re sincere. It’s not what you believe, it’s your sincerity.” But you know what, you can be utterly sincere and be lost. There’s an infinite number of ways to go to hell. There’s one way to go to heaven and that’s through Jesus.
Sam Rohrer: Oh, Alex, that’s a great statement. Ladies and gentleman, there is one way to heaven, that’s Jesus Christ. There are many ways to eternal destruction, and hell. That’s what we need, and that’s what’s a part of all this deception. There is God’s way, and God’s way works but nothing else. Raising up a generation of Americans who clearly don’t know, or don’t care about the one true God, is, simply put, extraordinarily alarming. But having now a wide majority of Americans who are content to say that they believe in God but won’t connect and don’t connect that belief to true saving faith, or give any evidence of concern for obedience to the commands of God as revealed in the Bible is truly fatal. This condition places America in the profile of nations in end times thinking as the apostle Paul warned second Timothy in second Timothy chapter three I referred to early, where he describes people and times at a point in time where they are perilous. People are prideful, arrogant, self-willed, being spiritual without being godly. Those are the cultural markers that the apostle Paul said would happen. The question is, what’s the solution when this deceptive condition becomes the norm.
Sam Rohrer: As we look here with our special guest, Dr. Alex McFarland, Alex, you do a lot with millennial work, and I know that a lot of this research shows kind of like what the older groups are thinking. They tend to have a more accurate view of biblical truth, and the further away you get from that, the younger you get, it seems they walk away from that. I know that you have commented when you wrote for Fox News some time ago you described several reasons why millennials and the younger generations, those under them in particular are moving away from God and moving away from Christianity into this realm of deception that we’ve talked about on this program. I’d like for you to take just a couple of these reasons that you’ve given, if you could identify them and turn them around into solutions perhaps for our current condition. Let me take the first one that you had said, you referred to the breakdown of the family as a cause for why millennials and the next generation are moving away from God. Identify that and then turn that around into a solution if you could.
Alex McFarland: Oh wow, well thanks very much. Let me say this Sam, very briefly. Our Truth for a New Generation app and tour of events we bring together people like Josh McDowell and Lee Strobel and oh my goodness, so many great speakers, Ravi Zacharias, James Dobson, I mean we work with all of them. We’re going to be in Murfreesboro, Tennessee September 13, 14, and 15 I will be doing a debate at Middle Tennessee State University. By the way, if anyone listening is in the Murfreesboro, Tennessee area I will be speaking at a luncheon next Wednesday, May 30, about the big fall TNG Apologetics Worldview event, and we’ll be in Baton Rouge October 26, 27, Greenwell Springs Baptist, and some 22 cities over the next five years.
Alex McFarland: So I would encourage people, if you care about the truth for the next generation, literally that’s the name of our event, come see us. We have seen apologetics change a lot of lives. Back to your question Sam, where is the opportunity in all this? The opportunity is that human nature hasn’t changed. Despite all of the spin and all the nuancing and all the historical revisionism and all of the, just the white noise of our information-rich culture people still want all these things that humans are made to seek after. Acceptance, significance, security, meaning, purpose, fulfillment, and those are found in two places. Number one, a relationship with the savior, and number two, in family, marriage and family.
Alex McFarland: Sam, I believe the second greatest gift God ever gave the human race, right behind Jesus, is family. What I’m finding in young people, and we do camps, we do so many things. Young people are hungry for truth. They have an openness and a willingness, and frankly a passion to embrace truth when it’s presented, so we’ve got to proclaim truth and they will receive it, but also so many young people, maybe 65% to 68% of the youth today will never live under the same roof with both their biological mom and dad at the same time, and they’ve never lived in a culture where family was really championed, and portrayed in a positive light, and maybe they’ve got negative family experiences of their own, and yet they know that they want a marriage and a family that is that stable, emotionally solid context to live and thrive as a human being. So we’ve got the church and the home, and if we want to not only touch lives, fulfill our lord’s commission, but frankly save our nation, I want to challenge everyone listening, become a champion for the family and a champion for the church, the local church.
Alex McFarland: Therein is the answer. This is not rocket science, it’s not complicated. Taking God’s word for what it says, [foreign language 00:34:03] take the word of God as written in its entirety and then apply it to our lives, build relationships, share truth, and build a godly family. By the way, Psychology Today, Harvard University, studies show that if you want to be not only emotionally happy, physically healthy, but very likely financial prosperous, what’s the pathway to those and happiness, health, prosperity? The family. Get married, stay married, have kids. It’s the family. Let me say, google Psychology Today, the archives of 2012, there’s a compelling article from UC Riverside that talks about married people who get … And we’re talking about heterosexual monogamy here, in other words, true marriage, not only will you live longer, you’ll be healthier, you’ll be happier, you’re much more statistically much more likely to be financially successful. The family to so many things is the answer.
Sam Rohrer: Alex, let me ask this very, very quickly. We have just about a minute and a half to let you answer this, but one of the things you cited with respect to why the younger generation is not following Christ and not really doing well is lack of authenticity among adults, whether it be parents, grandparents. Can you talk about what grandparents, parents can do to be authentic. Maybe that should be a no-brainer, but just comment on that if you could please.
Alex McFarland: Well, study after study shows that young people are looking for adult role models that are real. And you know what, I’m 54 years old, I look like the mayor of dull, and yet I speak to over 100,000 teens a year on average. They are not looking for somebody that’s hip and cool or trendy. They’re looking for somebody who legitimately cares about them and is willing to listen, and build a relationship, and this takes time. I know it’s kind of chic right now to bash on millennials, and there’s a whole lot of … You know I saw a meme the other day that said an auto antitheft device for millennials, and it was a stick shift, because you know, millennials supposedly can’t drive a manual transmission. Well hey, look. Let’s not bash on millennials, let’s build relationships with them, and let’s build the trust and earn the right to be heard, and in that context of trust, honesty, respect, we can share truth. And then you can bring them to the next TNG event, Truth for a New Generation.com when it comes to your town.