Sam R.: Well how long has it been said that the two areas you should always avoid discussing is religion and politics, when in real life these two areas are perhaps at the top of the list of what should be discussed because of their dominating impact on our lives, either present or future. But if I narrow the focus of religion to biblical prophecy, many may not know quite what to say about that, but I submit that if religion and politics should be a matter of discussion, then biblical prophecy and politics is even more so because of its very precise focus on government and God’s plan for the nations, and the execution, I will say, of God’s greater plan for redemption. I’ve entitled today’s theme The Intersection of Biblical Prophecy and Politics. And we’re going to consider some key considerations, including some thoughts regarding where the United States itself may stand in biblical prophecy.
With that introduction, I want to welcome you to Stand in the Gap today. I’m Sam Rohrer, and I’m going to be joined by evangelist Dave Kistler and Dr. Gary Dahl, and special and recurring guest Dr. Jimmy DeYoung, host of Prophecy Today, and a special guest in segment three, Pastor Paul Blair, who happens to be with Dr. Jimmy today in Plymouth, Massachusetts.
Let’s get right into the topic today, men. When we consider biblical prophecy in the arena of civil government, or basically what I’m going to put all of our civil life … really, we can’t escape civil government or civil life … we tend to call that somewhat the area of the political. And it’s much broader than just the election of a candidate, far broader than that. And we know, as Bible teachers, that God’s word, the source of biblical prophecy, speaks directly to the matter of nations arising and falling, and how that the Bible itself names certain nations, and often describes their involvement in God’s greater plan of redemption. We talk a lot on this program about how you can’t really understand the newspaper, or the news of the day, until you’ve taken the Bible in your hand, and opened up the pages, and looked at it through the filter of biblical prophecy. And that’s what we’re going to do today.
Gary, I want to start right off with you. Little bit of a case study, more or less. You presided over the Western Pennsylvania Bible Conference last week. Jimmy and Dave on the program here were speakers at that event. You gave it the theme of prophecy and how it relates to today. Just a minute or two, because I want to get a response from you and Dave and Jimmy, but I know you got some responses from people, what they thought. Can you give us a little bit of an idea of how the people responded to teaching and preaching on biblical prophecy as it relates to their lives today? Tell me a little bit of what they said.
Gary D.: Well, first of all, you know we had two great speakers, Jimmy DeYoung and David Kistler, and the theme was A Renewed Look at Prophecy. And that was what the entire week was dedicated to, and I have about 150 evaluation forms that the folks have turned back in to me to go through. And so it’s interesting that you ask this question, because there at the conference last week, I received a lot of very, very positive comments concerning our speakers, as well as in these particular evaluation forms. But there was one particular comment that stuck out. It was written in various forms, but it was the same idea, and that is this, that the people at the conference appreciated the factual presentation of truth regarding Bible prophecy from Dave and Jimmy.
In other words, some of them said you know, there’s so many people that when they speak on prophecy use a lot of speculation, a lot of, maybe even a little bit of fantasy, I don’t know, or imagination. But the group that we had at the conference last week truly appreciated the factual presentation of truth, literal truth, concerning the prophecy teaching that was given by Jimmy and David last week.
Sam R.: All right, Gary. Well, thank you very much, and Dave, let me go to you, because you were there. Obviously, you preached. Gary talked about that. But you’re also in Washington, DC, and tying it more into the political part, you’re down working with folks in Washington there. Question to you, what level of interest do you find on the part of those who are in office relative to what God says about government and prophecy, and perhaps the kinds of things that they’re involved with? There’s about a minute for you before we go to Gary. [crosstalk 00:04:40]
Dave K.: You bet, I’ll try to keep it less than that, Sam. There’s tremendous interest, and growing. And let me give you just one example. I was sitting in Senate Chaplain Barry Black’s office here recently, and he mentioned that a question came up, because he hosts Bible studies, about six of them over the course of a week, one of which is held for senators themselves, and only senators, and one of them asked a question about is America in end time Bible prophecy, and Dr. Black just responded by saying, “Well, I’ll tell you what. We’ll put aside what we were going to discuss at the Bible study coming up on Friday. We’ll talk about that topic.” He said, “Dave, the place was packed, absolutely packed with senators wanting to hear if the word of God has anything to say about America’s role, or lack thereof, in Bible prophecy.” So the interest, Sam, is great and growing, on the Hill.
Sam R.: Jimmy, I’m going to give you the last word here, in the last minute and a half before this break. You were out there as well, we’ve heard. You and Gary were there, but you are almost, with your Prophecy Today emphasis, you’re on this theme. You travel the country. I’m going to ask you this question, in simple words. How critical is it for Christians, and I’m going to say non-Christians alike, to understand at least basic prophecy as they attempt to live their lives, raise their families, or as Dave mentioned, lead in government? What would you say?
Jimmy D.: Sam, prophecy is pre-written history, actually. And as we’re going to be making decisions, all of us, from every walk of life, from every position you may hold in life, we need to know God’s plan for the future so that we can make proper decisions in light of God’s plan. Prophecy and politics actually go together because God brought them both into existence. He brought human government, back in the book of Genesis, into existence. He lays out in the last book of the Bible the plan for the future. So they walk hand in hand together. And at Gary’s conference, both Dave and I, as has been said, did teach Bible prophecy. Dave had the advantage, the added advantage, of his ministry there in Washington, DC, so he brought into his task opportunities of how they could see what God is doing even in Washington, DC, today.
I’ve got to tell you something. I had never heard Dave preach before. That man can wind up a crowd. I mean, he can get that crowd ready to charge Hell with a water pistol, and I was excited just hearing him make his presentation. It’s a great opportunity to see how politics and prophecy do come together. Both politics and prophecy play off of each other, and it’s how we understand God’s word, and indeed for the future.
Sam R.: All right, well Jimmy DeYoung. Gary, your comments that people said they heard the truth, they appreciated it. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s what we try to do on this program. We’re Standing in the Gap. For what? For truth. By its very definition, prophecy deals with past words predicting what will happen in the future. All of mankind seems to have a keen interest in wanting to know what’s going to happen tomorrow. Don’t we all? Whether it’s for curiosity’s sake, or for financial planning purposes. Just think, if you knew what was going to happen five years from now. Right?
How about policy decisions for those dealing with international relations? We talked about it last segment, those in Washington or others. Or even personally, how to prioritize our own lives If we knew, really, what was going to happen tomorrow, it would make a difference. And often, there are commonly recurring questions which people have regarding future things. When it comes to those questions from Americans, there is one most commonly asked question, and we’re going to talk about that question, and a project currently underway now connected to this question, in which Dr. Jimmy DeYoung is now involved. His effort, as he’s calling it, is The USA in Bible Prophecy Project.
Well, Jimmy, let me welcome you back here right now, because I want to go right to this most commonly asked question. When you go out, and you’re preaching, You take a lot of Q and A, I know, and I suspect that there is a question that maybe comes to the surface more than others. I’d like to know what that question is, that most predominant question that comes up to you as you travel America, and why you think it is asked.
Jimmy D.: Sam, you have to understand that when I open up for Q and A, questions from every section of Bible prophecy come at me. But again, the most asked question is where is the United States in Bible prophecy? I was at one Q and A session at a church recently where an old guy the back, he jumped up and said, “Hey, I know the answer to that question.” And foolishly I said to the old man, “Okay, tell me where.” And he said, “Jerusalem.” And I said, “Sir, the ques-” He said, “I know the question, Sonny. The answer is Jerusalem.” Well I asked him, I said, “How in the world do you come up with that?” And he said, “Very simple. J-E-R U-S-A L-E-M.” And everybody in the building laughed, because they thought it was quite comical. But when I analyzed his answer, that is probably the best reference to the American people and the United States of America in Bible prophecy.
You see, the Bible says in Zechariah chapter 14, verse 2, at the end of the seven-year tribulation period, all nations will gather in Jerusalem, and should after seven years of terrible judgment on this Earth, the United States still be around, they will be there in Jerusalem, gathered with all the other nations. This question asked because people see other nations. As I teach, as Dave would teach Bible prophecy, as people individually study Bible prophecy, they read about many other nations. For example, mentioned is the European continent, and all the nations of what we know today as the European Union, I believe the infrastructure for the revived Roman Empire. And then you talk about the Middle East. Almost every Middle Eastern nation is mentioned in Bible prophecy in the scenario laid out for the end times.
You’ve got to think about the Far East. You’re talking about China, South Korea, North Korea, Japan. Over in the book of Revelation, chapter 16 and verse 12, it says the river Euphrates dries up, making way for the kings of the East to come into Jerusalem. But no place do you find that it literally tells us this is the United States. Some speculation among Bible prophecy teachers, but as I exegete the word I do not find the United States mentioned. Thus, then the question, where is the United States in Bible prophecy?
Gary D.: Well, I think that that elderly gentleman answered that, Jimmy. Jerusalem, USA.
Jimmy D.: Absolutely.
Gary D.: Don’t we believe in literal interpretation of scripture?
Jimmy D.: Absolutely.
Gary D.: It’s interesting, the ideas that some people come up with from time to time. But you know, whether the United States is specifically mentioned or not in the scripture, we do know that there are key nations mentioned in scripture, as you just spoke about. And in the word of God, God makes very clear that he’s designed civil authority and designated national borders, and he raises up kings and leaders and disposes of them, too, in order to fulfill his particular purpose. We talk a lot about that on Stand in the Gap today.
But Jimmy, I’m wondering if you could just take a minute or two to lay down some principles, or maybe we could even say an apologetic for God in government, and how these two concepts come together.
Jimmy D.: Love to do that, Gary. You take your Bible, you have to go back to the very beginning. Remember, Jesus said “I am the alpha and the omega.” The omega would be the end, that’s the prophetic truth of God’s word. But the alpha, the beginning, and when you go back to the beginning, you go to the book of Genesis, which is really the foundation for all of Bible prophecy. I could go through all 12 chapters, but let me just talk about a couple of them. In chapters 6, 7, and 8 of the book of Genesis, it’s the record of the flood. In chapter 9, it’s the record after the flood, and God tells Noah be fruitful, multiply, and re-people the Earth. Now there were only eight souls on the Earth. God wanted to fill the Earth with people; he gives that command to Noah.
In that same chapter, chapter 9 in verse 6, God institutes human government. In chapter 2 of Genesis, he brought about marriage, the covenant of marriage. In chapter 2 of Acts, he brings in the local churches, and the responsibility he wants to give them. But in chapter 9, in verse 6, of the book of Genesis, he brings into existence human government that he will then use to fulfill his plan for the future. You come to chapter 10 in Genesis. And if you read chapter 10, it’s somewhat of a genealogy, but it’s the truth that God has created nations. He tells the three sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japeth, he wants them to raise a family, teach them a new language, because the only language was Hebrew, and go to a certain piece of real estate, and develop a nation, a people there. And that’s what they do.
So God now has now going forth to bring these nations into existence because he had already laid in place human government, and that’s how God was then going to use these nations, through human government, to lay out his plan for all of humankind from that point on, some 6,000 years ago.
Dave K.: Dr. Jimmy, years ago I read a great book by Graham Scroggie called God’s Unfolding Drama of Redemption, and we know God’s plan of redemption deals specifically with Jesus, magnifying him as messiah, redeemer, but doing it through God’s chosen people, the Jewish people, the city of Jerusalem of course is part of all of that, the Nation of Israel. So in your opinion, when you look at Bible prophecy, and you look at nations, governments, is there any principle more critical than a nation’s relationship, or a national leader’s relationship, president of the United States, for example’s, relationship to the Jewish people and to the Nation of Israel?
Jimmy D.: Dave, it’s absolutely key, and you’ve brought to our attention Jews and Jerusalem. They are key to understanding God’s plan. I’ve often said, and I’ve heard other prophecy teachers said, if you want to know what God’s doing in his time, look at the Jews, and look at Jerusalem. Even our individual relationship has to be to God’s plan, and it’s being played out among the Jewish people in the city of Jerusalem. Since God created nations, then he’s going to use these nations to guide all of humankind through the program that he wants to see unfold. It’s his perfect plan for not only now, but the future and into eternity future. God’s plan is going to be played out. We cannot stop it. If nations don’t have a relationship with God’s plan for the future, they’re going to be run over. You see, nations must get with God’s plan, or he’ll actually destroy them. And that’s a part of Bible prophecy throughout the word of God as well.
Sam R.: See, this is exciting. This is why, ladies and gentlemen, I’m sure as you’re listening, you’re saying, “Hey, wow. This is great information.” Well, that’s the same kind of response that Gary and Dave and Jimmy got from the Western Pennsylvania Bible Conference, and people need to know it because it’s real, and it helps to understand what is going on.
Jimmy, let’s go back a little bit to Abraham. God told Abraham, out of which came the Jews, Israel, and Jerusalem, what we’re talking about now, but he said that when Abraham would go forth, out from him would come many nations. It’s all in the context, what we’re talking about. Just tell us a little bit about the nations that have come forth out of that promise to Abraham, which then will lead us into discussion on the balance of the program relative to some of those things that we’re seeing come together now, in the age in which we’re living.
Jimmy D.: Well, God had a plan for the Jewish people. You’ve got to remember that. That’s the priority number one for God. And he gave them four covenants. He gave them the Abrahamic covenant, meaning they’re going to be a nation forever, the land covenant, they’ll have a piece of real estate forever, the Davidic covenant, that’s going to be a promise of Jerusalem as the capital city, with the temple and the messiah there, and then the new covenant, Jeremiah 31:31. We talk about the New Testament church getting the new covenant. Not quite right. The text says, “and I’m going to give a new covenant to Israel and Judah.” Those were the two aspects of the land that God was going to give to the people of Abraham. How about Isaac? Well, he had two sons. You have Jacob and Esau there. Well, what did Jacob become? He became the nations of Israel. Esau, you can trace through the entire word of God, he’s the Palestinian people of today.
Even go back before Isaac was a son of Abraham, the son of promise, there was the son of non-promise, and that man was the one who went to what we know today as Saudi Arabia, and there he developed a nation called Saudi Arabia. Out of that country comes almost every single one of the Middle Eastern nations. And in reality, what God was doing is setting the nations up in the Middle East, the key part of the world where he’s going to do everything to complete his plan, but he was developing nations. What happened when they scattered the Jews to the four corners of the Earth? They went all over into Asia Minor, modern-day Turkey, went into Europe and establishing nations there.
Sam R.: All right, well Jimmy, I’m going to have to interrupt. We’ve got to wait for a break here. Ladies and gentlemen, just a quick history right there. From God’s promise to Abraham came the nations. As he told Noah, go make nations. That’s all happening, and it’s coming together as God has laid out.
I said we’re going to go to Plymouth, Massachusetts. The pilgrims who landed in Plymouth, Massachusetts, came here with a very defined purpose. It’s not something that’s taught about in our normal school books today because they’ve excised out most of the truth of our history. But these folks came for a number of reasons. They did come as a goal of removing their children from a decadent society, which happening in Holland, believe it or not, way back when. And it was to worship God freely, according to the dictates of their conscience. Those things were true, but they also came with a pretty developed understanding of biblical prophecy and a view of God’s promises to Israel, to Jerusalem, and, their prayer was, to this new land here.
Well Jimmy DeYoung and Pastor Paul Blair, who is a friend of all of us who love liberty and love the Lord, are together up there in Plymouth right now. And so we’re going to talk to them just a bit about why they’re there, and then continue to build out this intersection between biblical prophecy and politics.
Jimmy, let me go back to you right now. You and Paul are up there in Plymouth, Massachusetts. Tell us what you are doing there, and why are you doing it? Did we lose you, Jimmy?
Jimmy D.: I’m sorry, Sam. We’re here in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and this is the beginning stages of a DVD documentary that we’re putting together. It’s entitled, as you’ve already mentioned, The United States and Bible Prophecy. We do know that the United States has been, and will be in the future, used to set the prophetic scenario in place that will ultimately be fulfilled, and to fulfill God’s plan. Our first stop had to be here in Plymouth to see how God would bring into place a body politic, a nation, the United States of America, that he was then going to use for his plan. Plymouth, you have to recognize this, is the place of the creation of the United States.
I want to take a moment now to bring in Pastor Paul Blair, former NFL ballplayer, played with the Chicago Bears, big hunk of a man. But he is also an expert in the Plymouth Plantation. Paul, welcome to Stand in the Gap. What is the significance, in your perspective, of the goals and visions of those landed, the pilgrims, here in Plymouth? Did they understand the intersection of biblical prophecy and civil government, as we’re calling politics?
Paul B.: Well, Jimmy, Sam, it’s really a joy to be on the air with you guys today. And certainly, Jimmy, they had a comprehensive biblical worldview. And as the Bible had finally been published in English, and was more readily available to Englishmen, and they began reading the Bible for themselves, there were many that recognized that the official doctrines and teachings and practices of the established state church, the Church of England, weren’t actually following the dictates of scripture. So you had two groups coming out of that. You had a group that sought to purify the Church of England from within. They were known as the Puritans. Then you had another group, which were the forefathers, the pilgrims. They were the separatists. They just believed we need to separate completely out of the Church of England and start local New Testament congregation. And their whole concept of government, whether it be church government or civil government, was unique, and different, and very biblical. You know, in the Church of England, everything basically was led by the king, and it was a top-down directive. Parishes were assigned preachers by bishops and the like.
Well, the Puritans, or excuse me the pilgrims, the separatists, actually created their own local congregation They established their own church constitutions, and then they, the individual members of that church, would elect a pastor to be the chief shepherd of their congregation, and lead their congregation. So that entire style of government goes back to the Bible with its origins, and it was completely different from everything that was practiced in Europe, and especially in Great Britain at the time. And when they came to the new world, they recognized that God had established all these realms of government. There’s self-government, there’s family government, there’s church government, and there’s civil government. And they understood with a biblical worldview God’s design and purpose, limited purpose of the civil government.
So the pilgrims, after they landed in Plymouth, they pattered their civil government after the way they had established their church government. And it was that, actually the Mayflower Compact, which was the very first agreement ever entered into by equals that created a governing authority. You know, there had been Magna Carta and things before where you had commoners or lords and nobles negotiating an arrangement with their divine king or their authoritative king, But you’d never had a document where equals came together and created a limited government and pledged to be bound by that government. So really it was that group, and the work that was done on November 11, 1620, with the Mayflower Compact, that was the seed of what would eventually become the Declaration of Independence and of course the United States constitution.
So incredible impact on the future of the civil governing authority of America. But as far as prophetically, obviously these guys, you know we might not agree with everything that perhaps Columbus believed in, but perhaps every detail, eschatologically, that these guys adhered to, but they certainly believed that a necessity to advance the return of Jesus Christ was the propagation of the Gospel to the farthest extents of the world. So that’s what they wanted to do. They wanted to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the saving grace of Jesus Christ to these distant lands, and they did.
Jimmy D.: Paul, let me jump in and ask you this question. You well know that there’s a painting in the rotunda of the United States Capital that depicts the pilgrims getting ready to depart from Holland, and what is amazing to me is you can actually read, from the open Bible that’s in the painting, the first chapter of the Gospel of Matthew. Would you talk a little bit about where they intended to go, because they were actually headed toward the mouth of the Hudson River, ended up not going there. A storm blew them about 220 miles north. So talk a little bit about that, because that’s God’s sovereign hand dramatically at work.
Paul B.: There is no way to defy the fact that God’s providence was involved in where they wound up. As you said, they intended, and their charter was for the Hudson River. So they were intending to land around New York. But because of God’s providence and a series of events, they were delayed in leaving England. They had to turn around and start a second time, and they wound up having to cut their numbers and get in one ship, the Mayflower, and then they were sailing across the North Atlantic, which was incredibly dangerous during the late fall and early winter months, but they felt compelled to go ahead and come, and trusting the Lord. Of course, they were blown off course. They were blown north up here, to Cape Cod area. Once they got here, they even again intended to go south, but the winds weren’t favorable. Then they finally decided well, this must be God’s will.
And as thy explored for some 30 days, and finally found Plymouth. Of course, this was a beautiful harbor, and the area of land that they had was actually unclaimed. There was a tribe there that had, the Patuxet had died some three or four years earlier because of the plague. And there were some, they found freshwater streams, four freshwater streams, some 20 acres of land that had already been cleared and cultivated, but that was completely uninhabited. And none of the Native Americans wanted that land because they believed it was cursed. So it was literally like a welcome mat there for the pilgrims.
And after they got there and began building that first Plymouth Plantation, the first structures, of course, they all survived the 66 days crossing the North Atlantic. But once they were here, their bodies were weakened, they began to get sick, and they had 47 of the 102 that died over that first winter. So imagine, here they are in the middle of March. They’ve got some construction going up, they’ve worked their way through this first winter, still grateful to God, trusting God completely. Not complaining, but celebrating.
And just in their most dire time of need, into the middle of camp walks an English-speaking Indian that happens to like the white people. What are the odds of an English-speaking Indian that likes white people wandering into the middle of their camp at the time of their greatest need. Well, of course it was Samoset, he wound up introducing them to Squanto, and literally, as Governor Bradford details in his history, if it not for Squanto, they believed that he was a gift from God. Wound up teaching them how to fish here in the new world, how to plant crops, and everything else, and literally kept them alive that first year.
What’s also amazing, guys, is the great faith of these pilgrims. You know, there is strong evidence that indicates that Squanto became a Christian. And we know that one of the other, a great warrior that worked for Massasoit, that was actually keeping an eye on Squanto, a man named Hobomock, that he absolutely became a Christian in 1623, and in fact built his village right next and adjacent to the Plymouth Plantation. The way that they conducted themselves, genuine reality of their Christian faith was not lost on the Indians here and had a significant effect on bringing the Gospel to the new world.
Sam R.: Well, Paul, it’s a great slice of history there. And ladies and gentlemen, I hope that you sense a little bit. And again, this history used to be taught. This used to be taught in our public schools. It hasn’t been taught for a long time, but boy wouldn’t it make a difference? If our young people today knew about God’s providential hand in the establishment of this nation by people who knew who God was, trusted in him, went to him, and saw miraculous interventions, one right after the other. Out of that, we come and we sit here today, the beneficiaries of people who have gone before, have known the Lord. This is an amazing, amazing thing. So Paul, thank you for that bit of history right there.
On Stand in the Gap today, and all of our other Stand in the Gap radio programs, and our new Stand in the Gap TV programs, we emphasize a biblical worldview, which I simply define as this. First, there is God. Secondly, there was a creation, an act of God. Third, there was a fall, where sin entered the world, precipitated by the Devil. Lastly, there is redemption, secured by Jesus Christ. This worldview is distinctly biblical. It’s what God says, and if it’s known and allowed to be the filter through which one considers all of life, then this worldview defines how we will think about God and government, the Bible and living, prophecy and politics. So as we conclude today’s program on the intersection of biblical prophecy and politics, as we’ve talked about the US and our role in prophecy, and our role as we are now standing here in 2018, stay with us for the last minutes here as we look at how God is aligning nations according to his plan of redemption, and how the United States is being used in a most unique and key role.
Jimmy, I want to bring you back in right now and have you go this direction. You know, the aligning of the nations, as you talked about at the beginning of the program and we’ve referred to, it’s been underway since the beginning of time, right, since Genesis. There’s been an unfolding of history and nations, but it does seem that God is using the United States and our recent leaders to align the world like, and I refer to this almost like the usage of, in the book of Jeremiah, a golden cup in God’s hands. There’s something very, very unique, and under Barack Obama, it seemed that the alignment, or the realignment of nations revolving around Israel in particular dramatically escalated. But then under Donald Trump, it seemed to pick up speed perhaps even more, if that’s possible. So I’d like you to lay out a summary and a roadmap, if you will, and describe how God is using and has used the United States to further God’s biblical plan for the nations.
Jimmy D.: Sam, this is most exciting to me because you’ve just heard from Paul, who’s an expert on what he was talking about. This is the foundation for our project, The United States in Bible Prophecy. That’s where we’ve got to start. And God has, and is going to continue, to use the United States Presidents, making political decisions, to set prophecy in place. Let’s go to our last President. President Trump, you said he accelerated everything going on. His political decisions is really leading down the path that God wants to have fulfilled. For example, his decision to withdraw from the Iranian nuclear deal. Well, when you think about Iran, they’re the number one enemy of the Jewish state of Israel, they want to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, that her name be forgotten forever, Psalm 83 verse 4. They are a key player in the alignment of nations, Ezekiel chapter 38 and verse 5, where they’re referred to as Persia.
And then what about Syria? Syria, according to Daniel, chapter 11 and verse 40, is going to be the first state, the first Middle Eastern nation, in this alignment of nations of Islamic nations in this world, 57 of them in the Middle East, and these nations are going to attack, but Syria’s going to make the first move. Well, what did Donald Trump do with Syria? He gave the command twice to perform military action against the use of chemical weapons of mass destruction by the Syrians, and he’s not going to mess around them. They’re going to be in line with what he wants to have happen as a political leader, probably the superpower of the world. Russia. Russia and Vladimir Putin, if it was today to be fulfilled, will be the leader of the coalition to attack the state of Israel, and they’re going to bring … Russia is a major player in Syria. Here’s the nation that’s going to make the first move. Russia is holding up Bashar Assad, propping him up, so they can follow through with their plan. Russia, the center of that.
North Korea. North Korea, as I’ve already mentioned, is part of the kings of the East, Revelation chapter 16 in verse 12. However, when you look at what’s going on in the Middle East today, North Korea has been playing a part. They’re in a relationship with Iran, they’re developing nuclear weapons of mass destruction, exchanging expertise and the opportunity to use some of their key scientific leaders in both of these countries to come up with a nuclear weapon of mass destruction. North Korea involved in the Middle East, Iran in Syria. They’ve tried to put up and build for the Syrians a chemical weapons plant that would develop these chemical weapons of mass destruction.
And when you talk about President Trump, I believe the most profound statement ever made by any President in the entire world, the entire history of the world has to be Donald Trump’s decision, on December the 6th, 2017, when from the White House he said now America will recognize Jerusalem as the political capital of the Jewish people. Well God had given that to King David 3,000 years earlier. Johnny-come-lately Donald Trump finally got with the program, and he recognized it. Did that cause an uproar across this world? You better believe it. And then he followed through with a campaign promise he was going to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv into Jerusalem. As you watch these things unfolding, you’ve got to recognize that Presidents will make political decisions that set prophecy in place. Thus the importance of having a foundation to bring America into existence based upon biblical principle, and then to have these leaders make those decisions to accomplish God’s will.
Gary D.: You know, it’s interesting, Jimmy, that you bring in Donald Trump and some of the things that he is doing. And, yeah, you know it’s amazing to watch this fellow work, and you’ve got to say that the sovereignty of God, or the sovereign hand of God is on him. But you know, he’s also working to try to develop a strong historic peace treaty between Israel and her enemies. How do you see this fitting into Bible prophecy? Where will you take us on this one?
Jimmy D.: A key component of Bible prophecy, Gary, Donald Trump has developed, and again remember on the campaign trail. And I don’t care if you like Donald Trump or you hate Donald Trump. You’ve got to recognize he’s a man put in office, according to Romans 13, at the will of almighty God, and you’ve got to recognize he’s making these decisions. He said on the campaign trail, “I’m going to make the best deal, the biggest deal that I’ve ever made in my life. I’m going to bring a resolution and a peace program between the Israelis and the Palestinian conflict that’s happening.” Now Donald Trump has developed that. They’ve been working on it for more than a year and a half. His son-in-law Kushner is now traveling throughout the Middle East, meeting with the Arab and the Islamic leaders to explain the plan. Not the whole deal, but to give them a gist of what it’s all about. Now they’re ready to go and present it to Israel and the Palestinians.
However, Mahmud Abbas, head of the Palestinian authority, he’s not really wanting to sit down at the table. He’s rejecting Donald Trump because of his relationship with the city of Jerusalem. But it is a part of the end times scenario. Daniel 9:27, the Lord gives Daniel this prophecy: He is going to be one, the Antichrist it’s talking about, and he shall confirm a peace treaty. Now that peace treaty is going to be confirmed. You’ve already got the Camp David accords, Israel and Egypt. You’ve got the Oslo accords, Israel and the Palestinians, and you’ve got the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan. All three of these peace treaties are on the table, but they’ve not been confirmed. They’ve not really been normalized. They’re not working as these men who put the treaties together really want it to work. So it’s telling us in Daniel 9:27, the Antichrist is going to come along, and he’s going to confirm the treaty. Not sign the treaty, but confirm it. Well, this is the mindset of these who are going to get that peace treaty.