This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today podcast originally aired on 1/26/23.  To listen to the program, please click HERE.

Sam Rohrer:                      With the orchestrated launch of the human engineered COVID bio weapon in late 2019 and early 2020, the world has been forever changed. I think you are aware of that. Centralized government of all types around the world have been strengthened. The existence of deep state coordinated efforts between bribed and corrupted public officials and evil and greedy, big pharma, national intelligence agencies, and the military industrial complex have become undeniable and increasingly exposed. The goals of godless, tyrannical globalists, and they are by very nature, those bent on control of the world’s population have come into the open with great arrogance.

Now the tool for choice for propaganda and brainwashing of the world’s population by this coordinated group of tyrants has been in the arena of health. Now it’s changing to include other things, but that’s where it has been mostly. They think make people sick or make people afraid of getting sick will condition most people to fear and to give up their freedom for some false hope. It’s the age old lie of the devil himself, but to a limited degree, many are awakening to this big lie that makes the globalist and anti-God tyrants not so much nervous, as much as desperate, assuring, I believe, that the days ahead will be increasingly challenging.

But the question is, will the iron fist of this tyrant globalist mentality remain just ten steps ahead of the citizens who are awakening? Well, we don’t know. We’ll find out. But with that introduction in mind, I welcome you to stand in the gap today, and today I’ve chosen to focus on this broader theme of health and the demonic strategy to use lies within science and health to enslave the people.

My guest today is returning guest, Dr. Lee Vliet, President and CEO of Truth for Health Foundation. Dr. Lee has been speaking out through her foundation and otherwise making very significant information known and fighting hard for the preservation of truth and freedom, and I’ve chosen the following title today to help me focus on our discussion of driving the variant ruse. Ruse meaning lie. We’re going to talk about that, but Dr. Lee, welcome to the program today. We’ve got a lot to go over.

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Boy, we do. Pastor Sam, thank you so much for having me. This is just appalling what has just been exposed by the incredible team at Project Veritas.

Sam Rohrer:                      We’re going to get into that and that’s exactly right because I want you to listen to this ladies and gentlemen today because Project Veritas just released a short but powerful ten minute undercover video. They interviewed the director at Pfizer who made some extraordinary comments. Let me say to you first, this is what you’re going to hear. First question that you’re going to hear is from the Project Veritas journalist. He asked the question, “So Pfizer is ultimately thinking about mutating COVID?”

Next person you’ll hear will be the director, Jordan Tristan Walker, Director of Research Development, Strategic Operations, and mRNA Scientific Planning. He comes back and says, “Well, that is not what we say to the public. No, we don’t tell anyone this. By the way, you have to promise that you won’t laugh and then tell anyone.” Then he laughs. He said, “We’re exploring. Well, you know how the virus keeps mutating. Well, one of the things we’re exploring is like why don’t you just mutate it ourselves? We could create preemptively, develop new vaccines, right? So we have to do that. If we’re going to do that though, there’s a risk of … Like, you know, imagine no one wants to be having big pharma mutating.” Then he swears. “Viruses. You have to be very controlled to make sure that virus doesn’t mutate, doesn’t create something like … Well, like yo know, that which came out of Wuhan.” And he talks about it.

Then Project Veritas comes back and says, “What are you describing then? Sounds like gain of function.” He says, “No, no, no. Not gain of function. It’s more like directed evolution.” Now that’s going to give you a groundwork. Tim, go ahead and play that. Listen to this. It’s only about a minute long. Listen to it.

Speaker 4:                          Pfizer ultimately is thinking about mutating COVID.

Jordan Tristan …:             Well, that is not what we say to the public. No, don’t tell anyone this though. You got to promise you won’t tell, okay? [inaudible 00:04:34] you know how the virus keeps mutating?

Speaker 4:                          Yeah.

Jordan Tristan …:             Well, one of the things we’re exploring is like why don’t we just mutate it ourselves so we could create preemptively developed new vaccines, right? So if we’re going to do that though, there’s a risk of, as you could imagine, no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating viruses. It’d have to be very controlled to make sure that this virus that you mutate doesn’t create something like cells everywhere.

Speaker 4:                          Something crazy.

Jordan Tristan …:             Right. Because the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest, it makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere.

Speaker 4:                          Yeah, I know.

Sam Rohrer:                      Meet Jordan Tristan Walker, a Director of Research and Development, Strategic Operations and mRNA Scientific planning at Pfizer.

Speaker 4:                          It sounds like gain of function to me.

Jordan Tristan …:             I don’t know. It’s a little bit different. I think it’s different. It’s like this, it’s definitely not gain of function.

Speaker 4:                          It sounds like it is. I mean, it’s okay …

Jordan Tristan …:             No, no, no, no, no. Directed evolution is very different. Well, you’re not supposed to do gain of function research with the viruses.

Speaker 4:                          Yeah.

Jordan Tristan …:             But you do like these selected directional mutations to try to see if you make more potent.

Speaker 4:                          Yeah.

Jordan Tristan …:             So there is research going on about that. I don’t know how that’s going to work. There better not be any more outbreaks.

Sam Rohrer:                      All right, there you heard it, ladies and gentlemen. Big news. Dr. Lee, I was furious when I heard that. What are some of your initial responses?

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Well, it makes me gut sick that someone can so callously and cruelly talk about planning to unleash more death and destruction on human beings. This is just evil in the most egregious way, Pastor Sam. It is evil on all fronts and it is truly looking at that person and looking at the fact that he’s smiling and thinking it’s funny that he’s talking about increasing the danger of a virus, changing it to make it worse and cause more death and destruction, first in the monkeys, which is cruel in itself, and then unleashing it on the world so they can make more profit on these horrific vaccines that are not vaccines. They’re gene therapy agents, they’re toxic, and they are causing death and destruction.

Sam Rohrer:                      Yes, they are. Dr. Lee, you warned about this. We warned about this. [inaudible 00:07:02] about out of the segment, but it’s not possible in my opinion to give comment yay or nay that Pfizer is working independently. I mean, you got the CDC, they’re involved, they know what’s happening. We know these vaccines, which are not vaccines, were patented before this thing ever came around. There’s a lot of people have to be involved in this directed evolution, doesn’t there?

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     We have exposed through whistle blowers that I’ve interviewed that have exposed the entire operation with COVID was planned and carried out by the Department of Defense as a militarized medical martial law, and Pfizer and all of the pharmaceutical manufacturers of the experimental shots were willing participants being paid money from taxpayers to do their nefarious and …

Sam Rohrer:                      Oh, okay. We’re out of time here now. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because what we started this program with, this information drives the whole effort to try and force people through health scare to embrace a lot of things that are so dangerous.


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, if you’re just joining us today, Dr. Lee Vliet, President and CEO of Truth for Health Foundation with a website at is my special guest again today, and the theme that I’ve chosen is driving the variant ruse. All right, now we’re going to explain a little bit what that means. The variant, of course, that comes out of the whole COVID nonsense, right? And ruse, obviously means lie, so you got the basis for it.

We just did a Veritas expose. Project Veritas exposed comments by the Director of Research at Pfizer. Got to listen to that. Go back and listen to this program again or find it on YouTube. It’s there, at least it is for now. But by their own admission, they are creating what he calls mutations for the purpose of producing more vaccines to make more money, and the takeaway was this experimentation that they’re doing, well, they say it’s not gain of research, although it fits the definition of gain of research, so they just changed the name and call it directed evolution. It’s evil.

All right, let’s go into it. From the outset of the human engineered and spike protein laced coronavirus, because that’s what the COVID-19 is. They human engineered it, took spike protein, put it onto the coronavirus, which is very contagious, and then released it. So in late 2019, early 2020s, if you recall, it was put on the population of the world. And then terms like variants and mutations have accompanied the pre-planned worldwide propaganda narrative. It happened all over the world, right?

By the very definition though of propaganda, and we’ve done programs on it, propaganda is designed for the purpose of producing brainwash, or brainwashing a selected group of people. It was experimented first on POWs in prison camps, then it’s moved to entire nations. Goal, to move people to a point where they literally oppose a position that they earlier took. Now carefully selected terms are always used in employed words that are easily recognized, but they’re most always redefined. That’s the part of propaganda.

The strategy is built on lies and deception by its very nature, and for those employing propaganda and lies, truth must always be redefined, authority always questioned, and of course, God, natural law, logic, and wisdom are all thrown down. And the resistors, they always know them ahead of time before they throw out a propaganda or campaign. They know who the resistors are going to be and they make strong efforts to alienate those people, to disparage them or otherwise silence them through coercion or bribing in whatever way possible. Have we not seen that take place? That’s strategy. That’s as to what it is.

Okay now, Dr. Lee, let’s go back into this. You’ve done a lot of work on this, but let me just ask you if you could, define the terms and compare contrast where they’re similar, whether the same or different. The word variant, which we hear so much about, and mutation, and then we’ll walk into what those things actually are and all of that kind of thing. But define those first of all, variant, mutation.

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Well, a variant is just a propaganda word for mutation. Bacteria and viruses change, they change over time. Usually it’s not rapid, it’s not in weeks or months, and there’s not a new one coming out every few weeks. But the point is that the term variant is being used as a fear mongering to scare people, to push them to get the experimental COVID shots, which don’t work against the variants anyway, but they’re using it to scare people.

Sam, it’s a psychological weapon and mutations in nature become less lethal. Think about it, it’s common sense. If the virus, only way it survives is to be carried in our bodies and use our cellular proteins to replicate itself, then if the virus were to become more lethal, naturally it would kill off the host. The gain of function research was taking research in the opposite direction of the way nature works. Mutations don’t become worse, they become less lethal.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, now let me come back. Just clarify something here. Variants we’ve heard. Now we’ve heard Omicron variant, Delta variant, they’re talking about other variants, but you’re saying as a scientific and medical fact, they of necessity become less harmful rather than more harmful, otherwise there would be no people left on the whole planet because it would ultimately kill everybody. So you’re saying fundamentally the threat of a variant, to get people all concerned there was going to be another worst variant coming out, is fundamentally and scientifically not accurate. Is that what you’re saying?

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Well, that’s true. The variants were designed. I mean, look at what the Pfizer research director just said. You don’t think they just suddenly started directed evolution, which is a new word to cover up the fact that it’s gain of function. They’ve been doing this all along, and they’ve been doing it for years before now. It was President Obama who banned the gain of function research at University of North Carolina in 2016, and then it was banned again by President Trump. And Fauci bypassed the ban, ignored the fact that it was unlawful, and started sending money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That’s all documented.

So my point is they’ve been doing this all along and the variants were used to scare people into getting the COVID shots. Now the people who’ve gotten the COVID shots have their immune system damaged. It’s not functioning normally, and so they get sicker. I mean, look at all the patients that we’re seeing who’ve been double and triple vaxxed and multiply boosted, and they are the ones that are getting sick with COVID now. I’m not seeing in the practice that it’s the unvaccinated people getting sick, it’s all the vaccinated people whose immune system is damaged, and they are living with chronic inflammation and blood clots that aren’t being picked up. That’s why we’re seeing so many sudden deaths.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, let me come back and ask you this logical question. There are people, as you’re saying, that are getting sick. Now they’re not all people who have been vaxxed, for instance, and boosted. There are other people too, but I continue to hear the fact, well, I came down with COVID. There are people who are getting COVID. Are people getting COVID or are they just getting sick from something that … I don’t know, what is it? Is it COVID-19? Or are they getting something different? What are people getting sick of now?

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     It’s winter. This is cold and flu season. Every year throughout the modern era that we’ve been describing and tracking influenza like illnesses, colds and flu, this is the season when that occurs. Everybody is fearful that it’s COVID, number one, because they’ve been propagandized and bombarded with the lie that everything is COVID, but there are no diagnostic tests on the planet that are specific for COVID that are reliable diagnostic tests. The PCR test is not reliable, even the inventor said it should not be used for diagnosis, and depending on whether the lab is genning up the cycles that they run the tests, the higher the number of cycles that they’re running the test, you could be looking at 80% to 90% false positive. I stopped using the PCR test by April of 2020 because we knew it wasn’t diagnostic, it wasn’t reliable, it wasn’t specific.

And so now people are using all of these home kits. The FDA, they’re all emergency use authorized. They’re not licensed. They’re not approved. They haven’t been studied. They’ve waived good manufacturing practices. You can read it on the FDA website, it’s not my opinion, and you can read it on the box of all the test kits. They’re not approved for COVID. They are unlicensed EUA products and they’re not reliable and yet, people are depending on that as if it is reliable and specific and then think they have COVID.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay.

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     When they may have a simple cold.

Sam Rohrer:                      All right, that’s fine. Let me leave it there. I’m going to go back and ask you a question on the mutation. The Director of Research at Pfizer was using the word mutation. You’ve talked about it. Are mutations of the type that become worse, are they naturally occurring? Or would it be safe to say that the mutations of a virus that become worse have to have some kind of human tampering or human involvement? What do you say about that?

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Which agrees with many of the scientists in the field, and virologists as well, is that for viruses to become more lethal involves human tampering. In other words, for example, the Pfizer research director is talking about the fact, here’s how we do it. We take monkeys, we make them sick, and then we pick the sickest monkey and we look at that virus and we take that one to take forward in the work that we’re doing to make them worse. So they are actually using individual differences in animals and humans, and taking people who get the sickest and the way that virus is and then making it the …

Sam Rohrer:                      Making it worse.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We’ll be back in just a moment. We’re going to move into another area out of the United Nations, the World Health Organization has come out now with an invasive, I’m calling it an invasive incentive that you and I are going to be impacted with, and so is every doc on the frontline. We’ll talk about that.

Sam Rohrer:                      So we started today listening in to an undercover interview by a journalist at Project Veritas with director of research at Pfizer, who confirmed and admitted that yes, in fact they are involved in gain of research, which they’ve conveniently relabeled directed evolution. And yes, they are in fact working on new viruses for the purpose that they just happen to have a vaccine in the wings. Blatant evil, but not a surprise for those who have been alert. We’ve been talking about this kind of thing that we’ve been witness to for the last couple of years. There can be nothing good come out of something founded on a lie. We identified this really early on, but as this information comes forth, it should increase the resolve of everyone who’s committed to truth and alert us and put our ears up there very clearly to the fact that we are living in a time of lies and deception, and to be very careful.

Now we’re going to move from that to the whole concept that Dr. Lee just talked about, the whole emphasis on variants and mutations. Mutations have a human element involved the variations or the variants that are put out there to scare us all. Okay, we talked about that. We’re going to move from there though now to the United Nations, and frankly, all of this we’re talking about is all connected globally. But under a new set of international medical codes emanating now from the World Health Organization, the United Nations, and it’s part of what is called the ICD, the International Classification of Disease, a more invasive system of data collection is being layered down right now on medical providers of all types as a condition, and this is the way bribery works, for getting reimbursed for costs.

That’s how the whole COVID thing was implemented. The medical profession was rewarded by taxpayer dollars stolen from the American people and applied in a way that exerted coercion and bribery. That’s how it works. Now in the United States, the federal government programs of Medicare and Medicaid over arch on the umbrella on top of the entire medical industry, and as a whole, this whole thing, ICD, International Classification of Disease is coming through from the globalist through our system here being put down on the medical industry as a whole, and even most private insurance companies becoming apart. It’s called ICD-10 codes, and it’s swollen according to the World Health Organization, to 1.6 million clinical situations. You talk about a bureaucracy. The question is what’s the purpose for that? There’s better patient health, more physician independence. That’s what you think, think again.

Again, Dr. Lee, tell me what you know about this expanding medical situation, this tracking code system, which really, as we know, vaulted ahead considerably under the Obama Affordable Care Act.

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Well, that’s exactly right, and the diagnostic codes have been imposed on physicians for my whole career. But the problem … And think about it, Pastor Sam, if you took your car to a mechanic, would you want him to have to give a code for the problem before he could fix your car? It’s absolutely antithetical to what we need to be doing in medicine. This was imposed by the government and the American Medical Association who has a monopoly on the contracting with the government to require all of these diagnostic codes. It’s been going on a long time. It got dramatically worse, as you said, under the Obamacare, which is not affordable and not patient protection, although they called it that. That is being used now to control doctors because insurance companies require those codes in order to reimburse.

Now common sense approach is for patients and doctors to privately contract, patients pay cash or credit card for a service, and it’s not submitted to insurance and then the code isn’t required. But the codes are used as a tracking, and they actually were building the basis for rationing of care in February 2009 under the Troubled Assets Relief legislation when they set up the coding and the electronic medical records requirement that were tied to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which hasn’t been fully implemented, but it was a way to ration care based on these diagnostic codes. So that’s how it was designed, and that was designed to be tied into Obamacare. But if they didn’t pass Obamacare, they already had in the Troubled Assets Relief in February 2009, the mechanism to control the coding and the payments. And that is how physicians who sign these contracts and file insurance claims are being controlled and directed.

Sam Rohrer:                      I want to ask you this question. I have talked to many physicians, you are one, you talk to many physicians as well. I’ve heard complaints for a long time. I’ve been out of office now for 10 years, but when I was in office before then, that was a complaint back then. If doc is saying, “I have so much paperwork to fill out, I don’t even have enough time to talk to my patients.” All right, it makes sense to collect some data, but is there a reason for the government to get involved in forcing so much paperwork down to the level of an individual patient? Speak to me on that. Whose interest is served by all that bureaucracy and paperwork? Is it the patient? Is it the doctor?

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     It’s the big medicine, big cartel that is controlling and directing what medical care is delivered. I mean, doctors are paid … Who sign these contracts with Medicaid, Medicare, CMS, are actually given incentive payments for the larger percentage of vaccinated patients in their practice, but the patients don’t know that. They think the doctor is recommending it on medical grounds. And so the whole process has been more and more control, less independent decision-making by doctors. They’re told to follow protocols. This is what insurance covers, this is what the patients can have. I resigned from all insurance contracts in 1986, so that I could be independent of that cartel that’s controlling medical practice and intruding into the independent physician/patient relationship.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay. Let me ask you this. If this new layering of data that we’re talking here, that’s coming down, and I’ve already heard from some who are already being asked to begin doing this in certain places across the country, okay? So it’s already beginning to happen. But the last couple of years, Dr. Lee, physicians and nurses, everybody a part of the system, during this onerous imposition of control under the COVID umbrella have had to make a decision. Do they fold? Do they give in, in order to get their funds, their reimbursement or whatever? This is now coming as an additional layer of work and coercion.

How many physicians, if you can even comment, do you think across America who gave in because they feared losing their job, or whatever it was, over the last couple of years, do you think, are any of them waking up now and perhaps will this additional layer, this sweeping layer of paperwork that’s going to come down on top of them, do you think that’s going to wake them up or do you think that it’s going to further bury them? What are your thoughts on that?

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Well, I think we really are facing a crisis in medicine because suicides among doctors have been rising for the last 20 years, worse after Obamacare was passed, as relationship to the stress in medicine, the burnout, and the fact that doctors are being forced to choose between two masters. And they know, many know, that they are not answering to the best interest of their patients, and that creates obviously, a psychological and spiritual and professional ethic conflict. But tragically, I don’t see, and we are losing a lot of doctors to early retirement over the vaccine mandates, for example, that people just said, “I can’t live with this.”

But the problem I think for patients is that too few doctors are standing up against this vice of control for doctors and patients’ independent decision-making, otherwise we wouldn’t be having almost 1,000 patients a day dying in America’s hospitals on the COVID death protocol. I think we need more physicians, more nurses, more nurse practitioners, more health professionals across all fields to stand up against the tyranny that is forcing them to choose between what the government, the insurance companies, the AMA, this cartel controlling independent medical practice is pushing on doctors that is detrimental for patients. We do need more to stand up, and I think patients can vote with their feet and look for independent doctors.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, Dr. Lee, just hold that because I want you to build that out in the next segment. Ladies and gentlemen, we’re going to come back and we’re going to ask Dr. Lee to give some counsel and advice to the docs and the frontline people who have stood strong the last couple of years, and this is kind of like she’s doing right now, to build that out. And then for patients generally. In light of the fact you get another wave that’s coming through, government wave of bureaucracy that’s coming through that will further limit good docs. All right, what should they do? So I’m going to have her speak to that when we come back in a minute, but that is exactly what she’s saying is it, we have to stand in the gap for truth, don’t we? All of us.


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, as we wrap up the program today, we try to as normal, take a big issue like we did today, most of them controversial but important, and then bring it down to say right now what do we do with this? But one thing is for sure, with the continued advancement in increasing role of government across the world, and we see it everywhere, right? And now global governance, and we see that happening. All aspects of healthcare, it’s all wrapped up under there, and we talked about healthcare being a target to scare people, to bring them under what? Well, government control. And then government, because it has the power of government and has the power of taxation, it really finds, and it has throughout the history of mankind, take that money, put strings on it and put it out there in the form of incentives or disincentives.

Now if the policies are good, it’s one thing, but if the policies are evil, well, the entire system then becomes corrupted with everyone as a part of the process yielding to the power of bribery. Now as lies and further deceptions come our way using health as a fear tactic, and actually climate change is the next one. We’re going to be talking about that issue on Monday. It’s all identified, refining ourselves kind of in a net, kind of like a fish swimming out there, and you’ve got a big net and it circles around them, pretty soon they’re all lifted up into the boat and they’re out of the water. And just as fish who swim in a school are easier to catch in a net than a single fish swimming alone, healthcare providers and citizens alike, we’re having fewer options. We must think very carefully about what to do regarding our health.

Now that’s what I’m going to, Dr. Lee, ask you this, with that kind of an idea in mind, let’s go to the docs first. You’re already speaking to them a little bit. I want you to speak to them more specifically, assuming that those who have already compromised or if they’ve taken early retirement because they couldn’t stand it, and whatever, they’re not any longer there. Speak to the ones who have backbones, those who have stood up, those who have said, “My Hippocratic Oath rides above the threats of government. My obligations to the patients rise above all these other things, and they’ve stood tall, but there’s another wave of things coming their way. Speak to those good people on the frontline right now. Encourage them and give some counsel about what they should expect and do in the days and the months ahead.

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Well, I think, Pastor Sam, for all of us, the physicians who honor their oath of Hippocrates to serve the benefit of the patients first and foremost, and take that ethical obligation seriously are in fact also standing on the truth that the Bible teaches, which focuses on to the best of our ability, sharing truth with others and in ways to help them. And I encourage all of them to stand strong and to turn in faith to God, to guide us, to stand against the evil assault that is all around us. And we’ve talked about so much of it today, and that is critical that we do band together.

I would encourage doctors and patients to work together independently of the insurance control, look at ways of separating yourself from these insurance contracts that limit decision-making and restrict options for patient care, and look at patients that can pay lower cost cash than these expensive insurance policies for outpatient care. Now I realize catastrophic illness like surgeries and hospitalizations need catastrophic coverage, but look at the option of catastrophic coverage side to a health savings account and then pay out of pocket for the lower cost items and save on premium dollars.

Look at all of the steps that we put on our website, to help you stay healthy, action steps you can take, improve your immune system, reduce inflammation, change the way you eat, change the supplements that you take to benefit your body, not just throwing things at it indiscriminately. People have more tools available to their independent actions that follow the biblical model of healing that Jesus taught and the Old Testament taught.

Sam Rohrer:                      So what you’re saying is you’re speaking both to the docs and the frontline people, hold to your oath, Hippocratic Oath, a professional oath, what they all take, and for those who are … Well, I would say, certainly those who are believers in Jesus Christ, certainly those who hold to a moral code, biblical code, don’t vary from the primary obligation.

And I’m going to put that out there for those of you who may be listening who may be in office. Now I was in office for 18 years. I took the constitutional oath nine times. If every person in office, because every level has to take it, so I’m speaking to all of you out there who may be in those positions. If you’ve taken an oath, you’ve taken an oath before God, you’ve taken an oath to support the constitution and the laws of the United States. Everything we’re talking about today, all of these issues of taking taxpayer dollars, illegitimate, and then allowing them to be used to advance evil policies, that’s unconstitutional. It’s immoral.

So anybody who supports that is violating your constitutional oath. We put oaths in place to help people stay on track. So if you’re in office, follow your oath. If you’re a doc in the frontline, follow your oath. And then let the chips fall where they may, but do not give in to the coercion. So back to the patient now, to individuals, Dr. Lee. You were saying you identified a couple things. One, eat better, take better supplements, do these things so as not to put yourself in a position where you’re getting sick and have to go. So try to avoid going, but then find somebody where you can pay cash. Talk about that. Is that as easy as what you say? I mean …

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     Yes, the number of doctors that are direct pay primary care physicians that are doctors who do not contract with the insurance and don’t file the claims, patients can file their own claim after the appointment, but you’ll typically have lower costs if you use a health savings account to do that and tie that to a hospitalization policy, catastrophic medical coverage policy, which are still available, people just don’t know about it and they don’t explore it with their insurance agents.

But also, patients need to understand that when doctors are filing insurance claims for you, you are limited in the options the insurance is approving. I would say take back your freedom and look at ways that, number one, you work to stay healthy. We’ve got lots of guides and resources on our website. I’ve been doing this for my whole career, teaching patients how to stay healthier and avoid chronic illness.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, we’re just about done, Dr. Lee. Wrap it up very quickly. We’re just about done for the program,

Dr. Lee Vliet:                     And it is within your power, and that is God giving us a spirit of a sound mind, not a spirit of fear.

Sam Rohrer:                      All right, excellent. Ladies and gentlemen, there are things to do. We must be alert. If you know the truth, hold to it. Whether you’re a doc, whether you are an individual, whether you are in office, or whether you’re in the pulpit, hold to the truth. Dr. Lee said, “Resist that which is evil. That’s our obligation. Stand in the gap for truth.” That’s what we talk about on this program. That’s what we must hold to., Dr. Lee’s website.