This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on 8/14/23.  To listen to the program, please click HERE.

Sam Rohrer:                      Hello, and welcome to a new week of Stand In the Gap Today programming and what I trust will be an informative and encouraging week of headline news and cultural trends analysis, like we always do here, always from a biblical worldview and constitutional perspective. Now, from the very beginning of APN, it’s been 10 years ago, and the subsequent launch of then Stand in the Gap Radio and then Stand in the Gap TV, the thread of Christian education has been woven in and through all of our communications and our emphasis. And as we start this week here in August, many colleges are starting their fall semester of this week and K-12 children will soon be going back to their respective schools. So I thought that this subject we’re going to focus on today would be timely and helpful.

Now, if you’ve listened to any of our programs for any length of time, you’ve noted the consistent encouragement we give to parents and grandparents to understand what Christian education means, and then to act upon it and pursue it. We’ve emphasized the importance of building a true Christian education into our children and our grandchildren and teaching a biblical worldview through Christian education and as parents and grandparents, for all of us to demonstrate that, frankly, in our lives. Now to that end, we’ve devoted scores of Stand in the Gap Today programs and TV programs and others to various aspects of this subject.

Certainly in the last couple of years post COVID, homeschooling and brick-and-mortar Christian schooling has seen one of the sharpest increases in history. We’ve talked in past programs about the why and the what of a genuine Christian education and how its outworking should be evidence in the lives of children and ultimately in our culture. But we’ve also talked about the enemies of Christian education, the opposing philosophies designed to undercut the necessity of a Christian education. We’ve shared in detail how and why true Christian education is essential for God’s blessing individually and nationally.

For today’s program, I’d like to focus though on the necessary components of true Christian education and approach the subject just a little differently. The title I’ve chosen is this: “Christian” Education: The Essential Components. Now, one of the components of Christian education is a reliable and genuine Christian academic curriculum. And from nearly day one here on Stand in the Gap Media and Today program in our TV, BJU Press, the leader in Christian education curriculum, has been a friend of this ministry, and with complete confidence, we’ve been thrilled to recommend BJU Press to parents and grandparents, to pastors and Christian school administrators that they seek out and consider BJU Press curriculum as their essential partner in Christian instruction. So today I’m very glad to have as a guest for the first time on this program Dr. Renton Rathbun, who regularly speaks on the matter of biblical worldview and apologetics for BJU Press. Now, he’s also serving as the current director of the Center for Biblical Worldview at Bob Jones University. And with that welcome right now to the program, Dr. Renton Rathbun. Renton, thank you for being with me today.

Renton Rathbun:              Hey, thank you for having me. It’s great to be here.

Sam Rohrer:                      It’s great to have you on. In the course of the program, we’re going to find out more about you and your unique role as Director of Biblical Worldview at BJU and what you share at some of the BJU Press educational forums across the nation, which have been so successful. But from a macro perspective, get us going here. Would you define education generally and then define a Christian education more specifically?

Renton Rathbun:              Absolutely. This is hugely important more now than ever since. It’s not just that education is important, it’s important because the world wants our children, and this is the medium by which they are trying to reach them. And so when I think about education, I think about, in a general sense, education is about learning and practicing the skill of interpreting the world using an apparatus to engage knowledge for the purpose of fundamentally grounding the learner in reality. Now, all that means is education basically is just trying to teach kids how to interpret the world, but we interpret it using something. What that thing is, I think is very important as we look at what Christian education is. Christian education is using God’s Word, that’s that apparatus, using God’s Word as the authority to interpret God’s world in order to align with how God has already explained His world to be.

Sam Rohrer:                      Renton, that was perfect. Using God’s Word to interpret God’s world, that’s a great one. We’ll come back on that I am sure. Perfect. So let’s move beyond that. So Christian education, using God’s Word to interpret God’s world, okay, there are other components within the element of education. Obviously, I mean, it’s got to have a student, and there’s got to be some kind of a teacher somewhere in the process. A lot of people may think, “Well, I guess that’s maybe all there is,” but there’s more than that obviously. Would you take and build out, identify if you could, the essential components? It may be the same for education as Christian education, but if it’s not, distinguish that, but the essential components of Christian education.

Renton Rathbun:              Yeah, I think the essential components of Christian education I think begin with where Scripture tells us to begin with our education for our children, is with the parents. Deuteronomy 6 is clear about education starting with the parents. Proverbs 22:6 gives the parents a warning of that their training has real life consequences. And it is through the parents that the church has its influence over the kids. The church has its discipline over the parents, and the parents has their discipline over the children, and so I think it’s even through the parents that the church has its care for them as well. And so I would put parents at the top of the list, and I would say you have to have your learners, but learners come with needs and backgrounds and issues that I think the parents are most keen on understanding for their kids. And of course you need a teacher that needs to either be the parents or in line with what the parents believe is best for that learner so that they partner with the parent.

And then of course I think that curriculum is super important because who that teacher is is important, but what they’re teaching becomes hugely important in how they are communicating the world to these kids. I think the last thing I’d put at the bottom would be the medium. Whether it be homeschool or a brick-and-mortar school, I think that’s important based on the learner, but that’s the order I would put them in.

Sam Rohrer:                      All right, that’s fantastic. Dr. Renton Rathbun is my guest today. He’s Director of the Center for Biblical Worldview at Bob Jones University and a regular speaker for BJU Press. Our theme today is “Christian” Education: The Essential Components. We’ve defined Christian education and the components. Next segment, we’ll come back and we will talk about biblical worldview as a part of that; define it and illustrate it.


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, during my 68 years of life thus far, it seems like just a few days ago that I started my process of life, but my involvement in education has moved a long way. I attended a smaller country public school in Ohio. I attended a Christian university in South Carolina. I was then involved in many secular business related continuing education courses in Pennsylvania when I moved here. In the early 1980s, I became involved as a board member in my church-run brick-and-mortar Christian school. It further deepened when my wife, Ruth Ann, and I decided to begin homeschooling our children in the early 1990s. And then it further broadened when I served in the Pennsylvania General House on the House Education Committee for 16 years and chaired the subcommittee on basic education for many of those years, and where I was able to be extensively involved in writing and getting passed some major pieces of educational legislation.

But it was some years ago when worldview as a phrase began to emerge, and the phrase was mostly at that point Christian worldview. Now, I felt a little uncomfortable with that phrase, with the rather random use at that point, since already at that time there were so many different definitions of what it meant to be Christian. So I began to use exclusively on this program, which you noted years ago, not so much Christian worldview but biblical worldview.

Now, that phrase, biblical worldview, I’m finding to be pretty much the dominant reference by those in the culture and certainly those within Christian circles. But I’m also beginning to hear, I noted it some months ago that I think I’m beginning to hear some people and see some people actually begin to hijack that definition even to promote some initiatives and ideas using biblical worldview as more of a marketing ploy to sanction even some that I would say would be some unbiblical efforts. So words get redefined. They always do, and which is why I say on this program all the time, “Define the terms. Define the terms. Define the terms.” So Renton, I’d like you to do that. You defined Christian education before, last segment, really well. Would you define now what is a true biblical worldview and the essential elements of that? And you may or not think that there’s a difference between Christian worldview and biblical worldview, I’m not trying to make that distinction so big, but terms do mean things. And so anyways, take a shot at that. What do you say?

Renton Rathbun:              Absolutely. I’m sure people are listening right now thinking, “Oh, well, I’m sure lots of people have already defined this term, and we just have to look it up.” I’ll tell you what, one of the first things I did when I started my work at BJU was trying to define biblical worldview. I mean, what I found was that no one was defining it, but everyone was describing it. Everyone looks at worldview as some template I use to interpret the world, and that’s fine. Biblical worldview, they say, “Well, I use the Bible to interpret the world.” And that’s fine, but that’s not what it is, that’s what it does. And so we really had to work hard to develop what biblical worldview means, what it actually means as a definition, in order to help people understand the is of it instead of the does of it, if I can put it that way.

And so what we did was we thought, “Okay, well biblical worldview doesn’t start with people or humans, it has to start with God because Scripture is about God, not about us per se.” And so we thought, “Okay, well it has to begin with God’s world.” Well, how do we get there? And so we finally came up with this definition, I think this is the best definition I’ve heard. It goes this way: biblical worldview is God’s explanation of God’s world through God’s Word for God’s image bearers. So I’ll say that again. Biblical worldview is God’s explanation of God’s world through God’s Word for God’s image bearers. What that does definition does is it puts scripture exactly where it’s supposed to be, in the authority. Not authoritative as in one of many authorities, but the authority by which knowledge is possible because this has been a battle ever since Satan asked the question, “Hath God really said?” And so biblical worldview places God’s Word right at the top as the thing by which we try to align our understanding of the world with His explanation of the world.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, Renton, that’s perfect. I was writing it down. I think other people were too. Give that definition one more time.

Renton Rathbun:              Absolutely. Biblical worldview is God’s explanation of God’s world through God’s Word for God’s image bearers. If you notice, what I did was, for the definition of a Christian education, I merely reverse that definition. It basically is God’s image bearers use God’s Word in order to interpret God’s world so that they can align with God’s explanation of His world. And so we look at that because the battle we face today in education, especially in Christian education is, is God’s Word really the authority in this world and in my mind and how I look at the world? That’s the battle, and that’s where I think it’s important to use biblical worldview as opposed to Christian worldview though I know people… I know what they’re thinking when they’re using that, but I think biblical worldview is stronger because that’s placing God’s Word as the authority by which thinking is made possible.

Sam Rohrer:                      I think that’s beautiful, Renton, and I’m going to ask you to illustrate just a little bit. I’m going to give one quickie. My wife and I just went to Israel at the end of May. In Israel for Orthodox Jewish people who are there, if you say to them, “I am a Christian,” what they think of is Roman Catholic because Roman Catholic were more dominant in the Middle East over time in history. However, when I use the word, “I am a Bible-believing Christian,” now all of a sudden they’ve got it. Matter of fact, some of the orthodox rabbis that I talked with said, “We understand Bible-believing Christians, we know what you are. But if you just say Christian, we don’t.” So it undergirds a little bit of what you’re saying. So take just a minute or two here, because I want to ask a little bit about how you got into education as well, Renton, but illustrate just a bit of biblical worldview, what it is, you’ve defined it, but what is it, what’s it look like, and what does it not look like?

Renton Rathbun:              That’s a great question. I mean, if we’re going to illustrate it, I like to use math because I think people think, “Math is this neutral idea. Bible has nothing to say about that.” But what’s amazing is how when kids leave school, they actually believe in math more than they believe in their Bible. We need to help them understand that the Bible, if you’re going to use it well, one way to illustrate this is that Scripture gives us the limitations of the tools God gave us. So how is math limited? What does Scripture say about the limitations of math reasoning? How certain can we be with math? Scripture actually answers those questions.

A bad way of using biblical worldview in math is to just say, “Well, in the Bible, this guy asked for one grain of wheat, and the next day, two grains, the next day, four grains, you see, he’s multiplying, and that’s an example of multiplication in scripture.” If you’re just using Scripture as an example, your students will never believe that the Bible is actually shaping math. Math seems to be shaping the Bible when you do that. But if you show that the Bible actually shapes math, it shows the actual strength and power of God’s Word.

Sam Rohrer:                      That is perfect. We talk about it a lot on this program. Ladies and gentlemen, we even have George Barna on his research, we talk very clearly, what’s the basic problem in America, in the pulpits of America? It’s that God’s Word is not authoritative. We back into God’s Word rather than going to God’s word and then backing into life. And that’s exactly, Renton, what you were talking about. Take the next minute or two here, explain, people get to know you a bit. Your journey into Christian education, you’re now on the college level, you’re teaching biblical worldview, you’re involved in helping to influence curriculum which is impacting thousands and tens of thousands if not millions of young people across the country, what was your journey into Christian education?

Renton Rathbun:              Well, my journey started with myself thinking that I really wasn’t an education person. I had dyslexia, and so I just never really caught on to education. Well, I just didn’t care about it until I went to college here at Bob Jones University and some professors really invested in me and showed me that I can know things. And so from there I got a degree in English ed and then I got a degree in speech. And then after that, the Lord opened the door for an MFA in creative writing, and then a master’s in philosophy and then a master’s in theology, and then finally a PhD in apologetics.

I say all that to say, well, on one end that journey is me not knowing what to do with myself and torturing my family through all these degrees. But on the other side, God was preparing me for a work in which I needed to have some cursory knowledge of these different things to understand how things from fine arts to grammar to math and all those different things are tempered and understood and interpreted through God’s Word, and it really can be done and it really can be understood. That’s why I think God brought me here to do this work.

Sam Rohrer:                      I’m glad that He did. You and I before this program only talk a little bit on the phone while we were getting to meet each other a little bit. But I can say by what you’ve already said, God’s also given you a gift of keeping complex simple. And ladies and gentlemen, that’s what the Word of God does. It gives us everything we need, but we have to go there and use it. And that’s what we’re talking about, Christian education, biblical worldview specifically. When we come back, we’re going to expand a little bit and now broaden from biblical worldview into we’ll revisit now Christian education more generally.


Sam Rohrer:                      If you’re just joining us, we’re right smack-dab in the middle of this program. If you perhaps are just joining us, some do, I know how radio is, we tune in, we tune out a little bit, but we’re glad that if you’re listening to me right now that you’ve tuned in. If you missed the first part, to go back and listen to it again, This program, all of our programs, our weekend programs, our TV programs, many smaller Q&As, so much are available on our website at or on your app. Very easy to do, I encourage you to do that.

This program today is one on Christian education and the title is “Christian” Education: The Essential Components. My special guest is Dr. Renton Rathbun. He’s the Director of the Center for Biblical Worldview at Bob Jones University, and he’s a regular speaker for biblical worldview instruction for BJU Press. He has just given some of the best definitions of Christian education and biblical worldview that I have heard, and I’ve talked a lot about these things for a long time. And by the end of the program, he’s going to give them again because I’m going to ask him to because they were so good. He has a website at, And on that he’s got articles and a lot of other interviews and a number of things, but that’s his website,

All right, we started with some definitions, we defined biblical worldview and described it in the last segment. I’m going to move now more broadly back into Christian education and purpose. As we consistently on this program emphasize the things that we do, the single greatest determiner of a person’s view of life and religion and politics, God, others, morality, justice, right and wrong, respect or disrespect, literally every part of life is determined by one’s worldview. As we emphasize regularly, it’s not a matter of if a person has a worldview, the question is, which worldview does that person embrace?

At one point in our nation’s history, our leaders literally understood not just one or two, it was a broad cultural acceptance and understanding of what it meant regarding the importance of education. And they knew that it was a means of shaping one’s worldview. They also understood that their worldview shaped their definition of education. Now, from God’s perspective, education should always have a goal, and that goal should be Christ-centered. Now, in this segment, I’m going to talk with Dr. Rathbun about Christian education generally and its purpose. The last segment I will have him describe in broader terms how BJU Press integrates a biblical worldview throughout the K-12 curriculum. And that doesn’t happen by accident, I can tell you.

But to demonstrate my point that education with a purpose was once broadly understood by our founders and it formed the foundation for this country, let me read a purpose of education or actually the purpose of education as formalized in 1636. Harvard University started and instituted to train men how to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. That itself was a strategic purpose. Here’s what they prominently attached to the wall of that university as a reminder to the faculty and the students why they were there, why they were learning, and why those who were teaching were teaching. Here’s what they said, get this, you’ll understand the purpose, they said this, “Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well that the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ who is eternal life.” And on that same plaque, that same purpose, it said, “John 17:3 says, ‘And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.'” Now, that was the purpose for education.

Renton, in simple terms, from a cultural perspective in America today, what role is Christian education now playing in terms of size and role and whatever? I mean that’s what it was back then, I don’t think it’s hardly the way it is now, but what role is Christian education playing in America today?

Renton Rathbun:              Well, what’s interesting is God’s mercy on our country because at a time where LGBTQ ideology has invaded many churches that are now bragging about having transsexuals teach the children’s sermon where we have transsexuals and libraries reading books to kids, not to mention how public education has become so pro LGBTQ, God has put forth these Christian schools that are making a huge difference. Because people have seen this, they’re ripping their kids out of public education and putting them into Christian schools or homeschooling them. We have a chance at this point in our history to be very intentional about what we are doing with our children. I mean, for whatever motivation is going on with these kids coming out of these public schools and being put in the Christian schools, we now have them in these Christian schools, which means now more than ever, Christian schools have a huge obligation to be super intentional about what Christian education means as these kids come into the classroom.

Sam Rohrer:                      That’s perfect. Now let’s go here and ask this question, the purpose. Now, I read what the purpose was way back there at the beginning when Harvard started, but in that context now, what should be intentional Christian education? What should be some of the outworked goals, perhaps if put it that way, but how do we know what we should be building in that actually takes and makes Christian education effective?

Renton Rathbun:              I’m going to say what it is broadly, and I’ll give you a very specific way that it can be done. Broadly, Christian education was always supposed to have the goal of how Scripture is at the center of all knowledge that the students are coming to understand. That’s what Harvard was getting at when it said, “This knowledge of Christ.” Well, where do we get the knowledge of Christ? We get it from God’s Word. And God’s word is so powerful that if our students understand God’s Word, they’re going to understand how the knowledge of Christ affects everything in the world that they come across. Now, the very specific way that Christian schools and home schools can do this is if they take their Bible classes seriously, that they stop looking at Bible classes as a side issue or something that kids it’s nice to have and make the Bible class the central focus of the school again to help the students even understand what a biblical worldview is by the time they get to a math class.

Sam Rohrer:                      That is great. So it’s not taking and tacking on a Bible class somewhere during the week of school. It’s integrating, as you’re saying, a biblical worldview and biblical truth all and in and through it. It’s what you were talking about, I believe, in Deuteronomy 6, where for fathers, teach your children what God says when they get up in the morning and when they lie down and when you sit down and when you rise up, which means it’s a lifestyle, not a few minutes a day and calling it Bible class, right?

Renton Rathbun:              Yeah, that’s right. We also got to make sure we’re not diminishing the Bible class, that the Bible class has got to be there as the ammunition the kids get so that when they go into their other classes, they carry that ammunition with them so when biblical worldview is shown, they have the terms and the definitions at the ready for those moments.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, and I’m going to ask you in the next segment, ladies and gentlemen, don’t leave, because part of what Dr. Rathbun is describing, the Bible class and the Bible teaching, according to the Scripture, is a specific necessary function. “It’s by the foolishness of preaching,” the Bible says, “that people come to the knowledge of the truth.” But it’s also that day-by-day instruction, and that gets found its way into the curriculum, and we’re going to find out how that is done. But let’s go back and revisit one question. We’ve only about a minute left here. You said there’s a mass exodus from government schools. We know that, you know that, that’s out there. And you said those kids are now in school, so therefore these Christian schools and teachers need to be intentional. We know the what it has happened, large numbers, millions, but the why is question. At this juncture, can you comment any further for why parents and so many have pulled their kids out of government schools?

Renton Rathbun:              Yes. I think the government schools overplayed their hand and thought that everyone was as radical as they were. And they’re not. And so we have conservatives as well as Christians that have seen it because of COVID, because they saw what’s going on in the classroom, it terrified them, and they saw what was really happening and they pulled them out. Now, that’s wonderful, but that’s a reaction. Now the question is, what’s going to happen if they feel stable again, if they get a president they like again, if they feel calm that maybe everything’s okay again? So the question is now what are the Christian schools going to do to maintain the students they have and convince the parents this is still important?

Sam Rohrer:                      And ladies and gentlemen, that is the question. So whether you’re a parent, a grandparent, or you’re a school teacher or administrator or a pastor or somebody involved in the process, that is the question: to what degree are you and will we all be really intentional in what we’re actually doing? It doesn’t happen by accident that a child gets out and walks in the ways of God. No, it doesn’t. When we come back, I’m going to talk with Dr. Renton Rathbun about how BJU Press so intricately integrates a biblical worldview.


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, when it comes to essential components of a true Christian education, which we’ve defined in the first segment, we’ve defined biblical worldview in the second segment and we illustrated it, we talked about the purposes for Christian education, which of its necessity must involve an integrated, well-designed biblical worldview component that pulls all the things together, and we are not going to talk about, all right, now one of those elements is the curriculum, but the roles of teachers, parents, pastors, churches, they all play a part as well. So again, as we go into this final piece here, final segment, I’m going to try to assemble all of these together one more time. Renton, I’d like you to do this if you could. You gave a definition at the very beginning of Christian education. I would like to have you do that one time again quickly, and then I’m going to ask you to give the definition of biblical worldview one time again, and then we’re going to walk into the components of Christian education, okay?

Renton Rathbun:              Absolutely. A Christian education is using God’s Word as the authority to interpret God’s world in order to align with God’s explanation of His world. A biblical worldview is God’s explanation of God’s world through God’s Word for God’s image bearers.

Sam Rohrer:                      All right, those are excellent. Ladies and gentlemen, if you didn’t get them again this time, go back and listen to this program. Okay, you identified the component pieces. I’d like you to go back and do that once again. Also, rank them and then walk into how BJU Press actually integrates this biblical worldview throughout the curriculum to make it, I think, the best biblical worldview shaped and designed curriculum that exists out there today. And it didn’t happen by accident. So could you do that, please, rank the component pieces and then go into how the press actually integrates biblical worldview throughout the K-12 instruction?

Renton Rathbun:              Absolutely. I would rank the most important piece of Christian education are the parents. The church has rule over the parents, the parents have rule over the children, and Scripture’s very clear that the parents are responsible for the education of the children. Number two would be the learner, him or herself. What kind of needs do they have? What kind of way do they learn? Even their sex is important. Are they male or female? That determines in what way they learn. I would even then say the teacher would be number three, where the teacher in cooperation with the parents or the parents themselves are helping the learner the best way they know how. And the best way to do that is number four, the curriculum, to ensure that that curriculum is a biblical worldview-saturated curriculum. And then number five would be the medium. Is it going to be homeschool or is it going to be a brick-and-mortar school? That would be, I would say, the fifth concern.

And as far as how BJU Press handles this, there’s five elements that I think are the most important parts of the BJU Press setup that make it unique, I think. So, BJU Press is the only Christian press that I’m aware of that has a biblical worldview think tank. What I mean by this is they literally employ a group of people that their entire job is to research and do the work it takes to see what scripture says about every subject from K-12, develop themes that will then run through those subjects so that it will increase in complexity as they get older so that their curriculum can really be understood as biblical worldview. So it’s not just one writer who’s writing something and he is just doing the best he can. There is a committee of people that all they do is this kind of work. And then they in turn mentor the writer into the themes and the way they develop the biblical worldview themes in the actual textbook.

The second thing is the Bible curriculum. When you look at the Bible textbooks that BJU Press puts out, it is intentional from K-12 grade how it’s understood. And this is rare. A lot of people are just putting Bible stuff together. They’re actually thinking of the student from K-12. And so how they develop their understanding of the Bible will be how they develop their biblical worldview. And now all of that is intentional in their whole system.

The third thing is that the textbooks, they don’t just ensure a biblical worldview shaping K-12, but they actually take themes. Like I said before, they take these themes that go into a textbook, and then as they’re getting older, they’re using many of those same themes to help them understand that this theme can actually follow you in complexity as you start learning more about the subject area. So biblical worldview doesn’t change the subject, it actually helps them understand the subject better.

And number four, it presupposes that parents are tantamount in this child’s education. You can see this in their homeschool hub. They’ve developed an online tool for homeschool parents to help them through how they deliver each day, from grades to how they develop each subject area and how they’re going to teach it that day. There’s all these helps. I mean, it’s incredible.

And then number five, they view Scripture, and it’s not just they’re saying it, but they really do it, they view Scripture as the authority in all that is understood through their textbooks. There are people that say that, and so they slap biblical worldview on things to try and make a sale. This is the only company I know of that is putting tons of money into people that help them make sure that this is happening, where they have people that are ensuring this, that Scripture is always tantamount, it is always the one authority that drives all the rest of the subject matter. They do it all the way down to how they outline each book that they do. And so I think those five things really make it a unique group that are really trying to make this happen.

Sam Rohrer:                      Renton, I had not heard these five before. I’m glad you took and delineated them very, very carefully. But I think it is interesting that all the way through everything that you’ve said, everything keeps going back to the authority of Scripture, God’s view, focus on Christ, God’s Word defining God’s world, people as image bearers of God, which means God as creator, starts in Genesis to all these things all the way through and ending up again as views Scripture as the authority. And putting in place accountability mechanisms, not with one person, but with a selected group of people commonly dedicated to help ensure the continuity and the reliability of the truth. That is by itself a reflection, I think, Renton, of a biblical worldview. The very perspective of putting these things together is a reflection of a biblical worldview.

Well, I tell you what, I’ve so enjoyed having you on. I want to have you back. We’re out of time now, ladies and gentlemen, but Dr. Renton Rathbun’s website, Find out a whole lot more about this subject and more. And then of course our website as always, Go back and listen to this program, share it with friends. This is one of the most complete presentations, I think, of Christian education, biblical worldview that we’ve done. I hope that you take it and it’ll help you all. God bless you. We’ll see you back here tomorrow, Lord willing.