Renewable Oil and Coal: The Amazing Truth

April 29, 2024

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Dr. Bodie Hodge

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on 4/29/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:       Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today and this week, hard to believe. We’re going to say goodbye to April and on Wednesday. Welcome the month of May. Hard to believe, but the Lord willing, we’re going to bring to you relevant programs this week highlighting key issues of the day, but always from a biblical worldview perspective. On that, you can count now for this week ahead, lemme lay out a roadmap for you as you have been trying to do the last several weeks. And as much as possible, we’ll try to follow that. Now tomorrow, co-host, pastor Steve Harrelson and special guest Pastor Gary Weber. I’m going to discuss the important theme of rest and specifically pastoral rest. That’ll be the focus tomorrow on Wednesday for our bimonthly Israel Middle East and prophecy update focus. Ted Vanden Leham Messianic Jew will join me again for a focus on the feasts of the Lord, both the spring and fall feasts as we conclude the Jewish Passover observance.

Sam Rohrer:       We’re also going to deal with any headline news that may erupt out of Israel and the Middle East. Now for Thursday, several of our standard gap today, co-hosts will join me for a focus on prayer as together we pray, we consider God’s requirements for answered prayer and consider the state of our nation on the National Day of Prayer, which is this Thursday on Friday, Dr. Isaac Crockett and I will join for a focus on q and a regarding the lead events of this week as they unfold or questions that you may have for us. So if you do on anything that you are seeing out there or about whatever it may be, put that question to us on our website or you can do it off of our app and we’ll take that into consideration and try to deal with it. That’ll be this Friday.

Sam Rohrer:       So as much as possible, please don’t miss a single day as each one will be pertinent and it’s going to be biblically accurate. Now for today’s program, Bodhi Hodge, formerly with answers and genesis as a lead speaker, researcher and writer, but now as president and CEO of Biblical Authority Ministries with a He’s going to be my special guest and he is with me. The title I’ve chosen for today’s, I think, very interesting emphasis is this Renewable oil and coal, the amazing Truth. That’s right, renewable oil and coal. And I ask a few questions. What if oil and coal could be renewable or actually is renewable? What if scarcity, depletion of all things necessary for life and living is not true? What if starvation due to global, manmade warming and a totally exhausted energy supply is not true? What if all the scare and fear is but a carefully narrative by the godless media and globalist politicians who love to scare just so that they can control? Well, the truth can be known and the truth is amazing about these things when we consider from scripture and true science. And on that note, I invite in right now, Bodie Hodge, Bodie, thanks for being back with me.

Bodie Hodge:     Hey, it’s great to be back on the show.

Sam Rohrer:       Bodie, you’re an engineer by training master’s degree in mechanical engineering, but you’ve done a lot of things over your life. You’re a former lead speaker, researcher and author with answers and genesis for many years, but now as I mentioned, you’re the president and CEO of Biblical Authority Ministries. Before we get into this specific theme today, share just a moment about the mission of Biblical Authority Ministries.

Bodie Hodge:     Well, the name almost speaks for itself on about the authority of scripture, the 66 books of the Bible. They are the authority in every matter, whether it comes to morality, whether it comes to science or history or politics, whatever it might be. I want people to understand that God is the authority in that. And so I have a ministry that’s set up to kind of deal with some of those, dealing with some of those tough questions people ask about the authority of scripture, whether it’s Genesis, whether it’s in the book of Matthew or Mark. But I want people to understand, hey, the Bible is true from the very first to the very last

Sam Rohrer:       Verse. Amen. And that’s where we are too. And that’s why I like to have you on because when we’re on agreed on the authority of scripture, it’s amazing how many big issues of the day that the politicians and governments can’t figure out. They have answers. Let’s get right into this Bodhi, and that is it. That’s this whole renewable energy sources that we hear about all the time, oil and coal being primary things. But let’s talk about the big fear behind climate change. We’re going to get into the energy thing on the next segment, but it’s leading up to that globalists are trying to usurp national sovereignty on this issue. They are doing it. Here’s the question. It’s the repeated statement that the earth is getting hotter and hotter. So much so that if we don’t fix it soon we’re all going to cook to death or die of hunger because all the crops are everywhere going to be burned up. In other words, is the earth actually getting appreciably hotter to the extent that we are looking at dying from heat and drought,

Bodie Hodge:     Not really. Well, we’re arguing over tenths of a degree, so it’s not this massive amount. I know when people want to grab everybody’s attention, I almost go to an alarmist perspective and they want to say, oh boy, look at this. This is horrible, this is terrible. Look what it could be way out here in the future. We got to do something right now. But really what we’re arguing over are just a matter of tenths of a degree. And we understand when you look back historically, there is a little bit of warming and we kind of expected that from the 18 hundreds, but at the same time, this isn’t something that’s so crazy that we need to be scared out of our wits. So we need to step back, let’s look at this particular subject from a biblical viewpoint and understand it better. And guess what? We’ll get answers from that.

Sam Rohrer:       Well, I know we will and we’re going to look forward to doing that here in the program. We’re going to get into more detail, but here’s just a general question again, alright, there are two terms that are often thrown out and we’ll get again more specifically the next segment, but there’s this aspect of global warming. Not long ago there was global cooling, there is climate change. Well, I mean obviously to me, climate change, I mean it changes like today here in Pennsylvania it’s the upper eighties and on Saturday, wherever it was, it was like 49. So yeah, the temperatures change. Climate change, what does that mean? Global warming, global cooling. Is there anything within those things that are really real or is it all made to just play with our emotions?

Bodie Hodge:     Well, I think there’s a little bit of all that floating around in there. Yeah, if you go back to the 1970s, there was the global cooling scare. I mean, people were really worried we’re going to dive into a new ice age. Just so people know, global cooling never did occur to the point where we got any ice age or anything. Once again, it was just 10th, the degree of the Earth’s temperature fluctuating, and then all of a sudden when it stopped going down, it started going up a little bit. Then we had the global warming scare. Oh no, it’s going up. What are we going to do? What did we do? Earth was going to overheat. And you see all these things coming out from Al Gore, for example, with his video, inconvenient Truth, a lot of those things didn’t come true at all. Then all of a sudden you started to see it shift down again, and that’s when you got to the third wave of it. The third wave is what we call climate change. So you went from global cooling to global warming to now they just say climate change. And it seems like, oh yeah,

Sam Rohrer:       That’s all right ladies and gentlemen, you can figure it out. Climate change, who can be wrong on that? Of course there’s climate change. It happens from spring to fall to different days during the week. So anyways, when we come back, we’re going to start to unpeel this a little bit and look at global warming and its relationship to the sun. Obviously sun makes a difference. Then we’re going to look at this piece and then we’ll get into the renewable oil and coal in the next segment. If you’re just joining us here today, the theme is this, renewable oil and coal. Yeah, renewable oil and coal, the Amazing Truth, and we’re actually going to get specifically into that in the next segment. But it all fits within this whole concept of lots of fear that we’re either getting too hot or we’re going to freeze to death or the whole climate change thing and everything that we’re hearing about, you can’t get away from it because it’s literally driving public policy, global public policy that is limiting farmers from planting and growing.

Sam Rohrer:       It’s being used to stop the grazing of cattle. It’s happening all over, all under the banner of we’ve got to stop the Earth from cooking or freezing one or the other. And under climate change, which is the bigger umbrella, you can’t lose because the weather’s always changing right. Now. That being said, my special guest is Bodhi Hodge. He’s the president and CEO of Biblical Authority ministries, biblical authority So we’re going to get into this now. Now according to Wikipedia, and I just went to them just because if you want to know basically what’s the politically correct thing out there, just go to Wikipedia. But at Wikipedia, the theory that increases in greenhouse gases would lead to an increase in temperature. This is what they say was first proposed by the Swedish chemist Sante Aus in 1896. But climate change did not arise. This is all what they’re saying did not arise as a political issue until the 1990s.

Sam Rohrer:       And that’s exactly verbatim what they said. Wikipedia, although Wikipedia also states quote that the concept of climate change emerged as a political issue in the 1970s where activists and formal efforts were taken to ensure environmental crises were addressed on a global scale. So whether the concept of global warming or global cooling, both of which have been scare tactics within the climate change concept, and we discussed that in the last segment, it is rather recent. That’s a strategy of politicians and corporate leaders, though seizing the weather and making it a means for global control. However, that is perhaps even more recent though, certainly increasing. As I’ve said before in this program, climate change has now been thrown into the world health organizations area for pandemic control under those things that could impact health that was added last May. It is now in the World health organizations area of demanding global emergency power control under the pandemic control efforts, and all of that’s going to be brought up the end of May in the meeting by the World Health Organization. That being said, Bodhi, can you explain what is meant by greenhouse gas effect? Because that’s a part of this whole thing too. It’s all part of that. When you say greenhouse gas, it’s kind of like, oh, that’s got to be bad. But is the concept of greenhouse gases, is it a reality number one, and is it good or bad? And I want to go on with that if it’s true. Is carbon dioxide the biggest contributor or are there other things? So put that all together if you could.

Bodie Hodge:     Yeah, when it comes to the earth, we need a greenhouse effect. There needs to be one, otherwise we would all die. The temperature would just be way too low. Most likely life would not even be able to be sustainable here. So it’s good to have a particular amount of greenhouse here on the earth. So that’s not the problem at all. For example, I’ve had people say, well, let’s just get rid of things like carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is one of the things that is responsible for a greenhouse. Now, it’s not the major contributor by any means. In fact, the main contributor is water. Water vapor in the air is actually number one by far blows away carbon dioxide. Methane is also another one. But what they do, sunlight comes through them, comes to the surface, gives some heat, and then it stops some of the heat from just reflecting back out to space.

Bodie Hodge:     So that’s called a greenhouse effects that helps keep some of that heat in. Like I said, it’s essential. If we didn’t have those, oh, there’s no way we could survive on the earth. So we do need some. The question is how much do we need and is it massively increasing? Is it massively reducing? We need to keep that balance. And when God made the world, he made it perfect. Of course God’s going to do that. A perfect god’s going to make it perfectly. And even in a sin, Kirsten broken world, God has the earth design in such a way to balance this out. If we start getting a little bit too much carbon dioxide, plants, phytoplankton actually do very well because they eat that. That’s basically what they take in. And so they balance that out. If we don’t have as much, well then the opposite effects here on the earth. So believe it or not, the earth is actually balanced beautifully to deal with these sorts of fluctuations and that’s what we expect from a perfect God. But big picture, global warming gases are essential here on earth. The earth keeps it in balance very well, and that’s what we expect from a biblical authority perspective.

Sam Rohrer:       Alright, that’s good. Now, I have a lot of sub-questions I could come back to you on and I may a little bit, but let’s go to the next one because I mentioned that the last time and that is that we have the earth, but God also said, we know in scripture he created the sun and the moon and the stars. Now the stars don’t impact us with any heat, but obviously the sun does. And during the summer the sun is really hot and during the winter, if you’re in this right place, the sun, you don’t feel the heat too much from it as much. But comment on the potential role of the sun itself in contributing to this climate change, fear that they’re putting out there. For instance, I throw this out there right now that most people know if they’re listening that the sun is going through a sunspot cycle right now. Solar flares have come up. It’s actually impacted communications to some degree across the world in the last couple of months. So a lot’s going on with the sun. What role does the sun play?

Bodie Hodge:     Alright, the sun actually contributes to the vast majority of why the earth’s temperature fluctuates by that 10th of the degree. Remember how I said it was going up a little bit at times it goes down a little bit, believe it or not, when the earth goes up a little bit, the sun is putting out a little bit more. When it’s going down, the sun puts out a little bit less. The earth temperature is actually mimicking how much the sun is putting out. That’s what we expect. That’s logical. This is exactly what we should be looking at. Dr. Jason Ell, he’s astrophysicist a creationist brilliant guy. He’s actually an expert on the sun. That’s what he did his PhD research on. And one of the things that he’s pointed out is that the sun goes through a 22 year cycle of magnetic reversals. And so with that, that affects the sunspots.

Bodie Hodge:     You just mentioned some of the sunspots, just so people understand, when the sun has more sunspots, it’s actually putting out more heat. When it has less sunspots, it’s putting out less heat. And so that kind of fluctuates during this cycle and the earth, believe it or not, there it is. We are either increasing just a little bit in temperature, going down a little bit based on the sun. You see the sun’s very stable by and large, but there are minor fluctuations in there. And when people start looking at the sun, oh wow, all these little tents of the degree variations, it all makes sense.

Sam Rohrer:       So everything that you’ve said so far is that breathe deep, everybody. God made this world to exist and for life to be sustained and the variations that we have are normal. I just summed up what you said. Therefore don’t fear, correct. That’s what you’re saying. That’s

Bodie Hodge:     Exactly right. And you know what? God promised that in Genesis 8 22, he says, while the earth remains seed time and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer and day and night shall not cease so long as the earth endures. We expect God to maintain this balance. So yeah, we’re going to have ups and downs, we’re going to have some famines. We’re going to have different things like that, that by and large, this cycle is going to continue until the end.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay? That’s a confidence that we can have ladies and gentlemen. So let’s just breathe deep and trust in the Lord. He’s going to take care of all these things. But let me just ask this. Suppose that carbon dioxide is an issue. You’ve already said it’s not an issue or particulates that get in the air. Bodhi, for instance, volcanoes explode and there’s a lot of it over the weekend, there were volcanoes that were exploding. Mount St. Helens when it exploded. The amount of stuff that’s dumped in the air that has nothing to do with man, it happens. That dumps a whole lot of stuff into the air. And so what’s man going to do to control the volcanoes,

Bodie Hodge:     Right? Really it’s nothing. And see, when it comes down to these issues of climate change and global warming, we need to realize that what man puts out in the atmosphere, which we do put stuff out in the atmosphere, it’s actually very minimal compared to what’s naturally happening out there. The number one thing that’s causing carbon dioxide to go up into the atmosphere is actually coming from the ocean. So that’s the number one reason of course, stuff coming from volcanoes and wildfires, from lightning strikes and so forth, these add a tremendous amount. What man is actually putting out is just extremely small. It’s almost negligible compared to what’s going on in the earth anyway. But here’s the thing though, there are certain things like volcanoes that do affect things to a certain degree. If we go back to some of these massive explosions of volcanoes, RACA or some of these ones in the early 18 hundreds, what was interesting was the summer that followed were called the years without a summer.

Bodie Hodge:     And what it is is those volcanoes would release so much dioxide and particulates that would go up into the upper atmosphere and just linger up there. And they would linger for a year or so or even longer. And as the sunlight would come in, it would reflect off of those little particulates and not even make it to the earth. So what it would do is it would cool the earth a little bit so that the following summer was considered the years without a summer. So people can look that up and find out a little bit more about that. So that does, but that’s still just a temporary effect. And I think there is a relationship between that sort of thing and the end stages of the flood of Noah’s day when there’s a lot of mountain building, a lot of falcon, that sort of thing is going to happen. And I think that’s one of the reasons that triggered an ice age to follow the flood

Sam Rohrer:       And Bodhi. Excellent, excellent. And gentlemen, I hope you’re finding this information interesting. I am. Because it brings common sense and science, true science and what the Bible says together and answers our question. When we come back, we are going to get into the issue of coal and oil. Is it actually renewable? Well, when it comes to energy, when it comes to energy, we all need it, don’t we? All of our electricity, everything we do, it’s all tied to electricity. It’s all energy. And it’s that which is used to supply actually that which is used to supply most of our inexpensive electricity. We’ve been blessed in this country. We’ve had inexpensive electricity run our factories, our homes, everything. And what’s it been? Well, there’s some nuclear involved in that and all of that, but really from the beginning and heavily, heavily even now, it’s coal and some oil.

Sam Rohrer:       If it were to be totally eliminated, I mean coal and oil were to be totally eliminated as a source because the political winds condemn them as dangerous carbon fuel, which is what we hear all the time, right? The world’s economic economies would literally crash and the people truly would starve. You cut out the electricity, people would starve. Part of Joe Biden’s and John Kerry’s war against coal and oil, they have not been the only ones, but they’ve been the political leaders. It’s been in part because they say that they produce carbon outputs, which drives up carbon dioxide and drives up global temperatures. And that’s what we’ve just been talking about and we heard the truth in the last segment, it’s not true at all. The other reason they suggest is that we must shift from these energy sources, particularly coal and oil, because they’re just simply running out. We’ve dug it all out of the ground or we’ve pumped it all out of the ground when in reality, frankly proven reserves still go way beyond our need. But what about the fundamental concept of running out? What if coal and oil, for instance, was actually renewable? Alright, Bodhi on your, you have some excellent articles there and I’d like to consider them one at a time. The first one is about oil being renewable. Here’s the question, is oil petroleum a renewable energy source? And if so, how’s that possible?

Bodie Hodge:     Yeah, it really is. There’s actually quite a few places that have figured out how to make and manufacture oil. There are companies that are actually making it, and that surprises a lot of people because we’ve been ingrained to think, wow, this is a fossil fuel. It was made millions and millions of years ago. But no, not necessarily here. If we go back, we start with the Bible. The vast majority of the oil and even the coal that we find nowadays are a product or a result of the flood of Noah’s day. Of course there’s other renewable ways that it’s still being replenished and so forth. But the key was, let’s look at this scientifically and let’s see how is it made? And here’s what we found in Western Australia, the world’s first plant to make oil from sewage sludge. And there’s a process to do that.

Bodie Hodge:     And they’re actually making oil that way. Turkey and pig slaughterhouse waste or daily trucked into a bio refinery in Carthage, Missouri, and they make about 500 barrels of high quality fuel oil better than crude oil from Turkey and pig parts. There’s other ways they can make it from brown coals in just two to five days. But here’s the one that really got me. They have got two different processes here to make oil from algae. One of them in about 60 minutes, they make, it’s almost a diesel grade fuel, but the one that’s pressure cooked for about 30 minutes makes a very good crude oil. 30 minutes is all it takes. It does not take long ages. In fact, we’ve never observed oil being made over the course of millions of years. That is not an observable scientific process, but scientifically we can see that it can be done quickly, rapidly with good quality in several different ways and people are manufacturing it today.

Sam Rohrer:       Well, that’s interesting. We’ve got enough time. I’m going to follow up with you on that. And that is this. So man can duplicate a natural process. That’s what you’re basically saying, heat, you’re talking about a certain amount of time and then you have to have a substance of some type sludge, sewage, sludge you’re talking about, or body parts from pigs and slaughter operations, sorry. So you’ve got a substance, you’ve got some heat, you’ve got a process and you can turn it into and you’re instead actually turning it into crude. That’s actually a higher grade than what’s coming out of the ground. But let’s go back just for a little bit of a science course here. Obviously the Middle East, a lot of ground here in Pennsylvania. I mean it has black crude oil underground, and then we’ll talk about coal in the next segment. But basically, when did those vast millions and millions of barrels of oil, when did they come about and from what?

Bodie Hodge:     See, I gave a hint of that earlier. The flood of Noah’s day is really what accounts for the majority of that. Now, don’t get me wrong. When God created the world, he could have made certain reserves and things like that with oil made it oil rich. But I would suggest that most of it came from the flood. Now, let’s think about this. A lot of us have seen fossils and fossils are just rocks, but they’re rocks of something that used to be like trees or animals or all sorts of different things like that. Things that are biological that had carbon in them, for example. So what happens is when these things get buried in the flood, water acts on that because it’s like a big sludge essentially during the time of the flood. And what happens is that water seeps out and it goes through cracks and moves down due to gravity.

Bodie Hodge:     It carries with it some of those little biologicals. So what happens is that fossil, all the biologicals are removed. It’s replaced by things like limestone, and then you get different fossils of different things. But what happens to those biologicals? Well, they go down as far as they can go and then they pool together. And what happens is those water and those biologicals, they want to separate because those biologicals are basically particles of oil. And so what happens is the water then separates from not all that crude, it’s it’s a bunch of different types of oils that are all kind of there mixed together. And so we drill down there, we find those pools, boom, there’s our oil. So that’s primarily where it’s coming from. And of course we yank some of that out and they refill because there’s some of the more of it’s still seeping down into those areas. So that’s one of the main reasons for it. We sometimes look at the fossils. We get fascinated by it, but we don’t sit there and think, well, where did all that biological material go to? It pooled underground into the oil pools,

Sam Rohrer:       And that logically walks us right into the next part. And that’s coal. You basically, I think in what you were describing there with oil is the same process perhaps from coal. It’s a lot of the same stuff, I think I believe. But content, what about coal being renewable? How can that be done?

Bodie Hodge:     Yeah, coal was very similar. In fact, we’ve been able to replicate how to make coal. Just to give you an idea, coal has been produced by taking wood and vibrating it through quick bursts of various pressures. That’s one way that you can make coal. Another by taking wood and using a rapid and intense heat technique. But the most studied method was actually taking wood. The lignin part of it’s the main component of wood water and acidic clay and heating it up to about 150 to 400 degrees centigrade. And that actually makes coal in just a matter of about two weeks. Higher quality coal if you let it go just a little bit longer than that, we’ve got three different methods right there where we can actually produce coal so it can be done quickly. Once again, we see these different coal layers sandwiched between certain layers from the flood and what we see in that.

Bodie Hodge:     A lot of times you can actually see the bark and you can see the wood and so forth in there. Very similar process. This is actually an easy process. A little heat and pressure is really what it is. A little acidic clay, a little acid in there essentially. And that helps trigger it, make it go quicker. So yeah, it can be done quickly. The flood explains coal layers. It even explains why we get the alternating layers like what we see actually out in some of these coal fields and coal beds. And it just makes sense logically we can do it. And yet at the same time, in the secular world, they have never observed over millions of years coal being formed. That is not a scientific process, that is a religious statement. We need to remember that nobody has ever observed coal being made over millions of years, and yet here we are making it quickly. We can observe that.

Sam Rohrer:       See, that’s a remarkable thing. Don’t have much time in this segment. I’ll have quick follow up on. I just want to think here about, and that is this, okay, if man has now come to the point where you described how oil petroleum high grade actually can be made and quite quickly, same thing with coal. Are any of those processes what I would say efficient from the standpoint of there’s enough supply to make a large enough quantity that would make it cost effective? Or are you just saying, we know it can be done and therefore it’s not millions and tens of millions of years that took to produce the original that we see?

Bodie Hodge:     Right. That’s actually a great question. When it comes to the oil, I mean, some people are manufacturing it, so it is cheap enough to compete with what’s out there. Think of a Turkey and pig slaughterhouse or the sewage waste, but there they’re getting a constant supply to be able to make that. I would love to find out a little bit more about the algae because you can make algae quickly too. So it wouldn’t surprise me if that becomes cost effective too. So I think from the perspective of oil, yeah, I think a lot of that can compete with some of the natural oil reserves. However, when it comes to coal, there’s a lot of coal around the world. Some of it’s very high grade, so I don’t know if that one there would compete as much being able to take the wood, go through the process and then compete with the coal that’s out there. So I don’t know of anybody actually manufacturing it. But the point is, yeah, we can show that it doesn’t take long periods of time to be able to do

Sam Rohrer:       That, Bodhi, that’s pretty amazing and it’s pretty exciting too. So ladies and gentlemen, doesn’t it bring to your mind, what in the world are these guys like Joe Biden, rest of them saying, shut down the coal plants, shut down the coal plants when both of what they’re saying were running out is absolutely not true. It is renewable, you can do it. And number three, it has nothing to do with changing climate that imperils the life or anything about mankind. I’ll build on lives. Isn’t that amazing? When we come back, we’re going to bring some conclusion to this about what’s our Christian duty? How do we balance these things? Well, hopefully you’ve enjoyed the program today with Bodhi Hodge. He’s the president and CEO of Biblical Authority Ministries. He recognized his name. He was formerly with an answers and genesis for many years as a lead speaker, writer, and researcher has been with me a number of times for a number of years on this program.

Sam Rohrer:       Today, we chose to pursue this theme of energy and kind of named the program Renewable Oil and Coal, which we just talked about in the last segment, that in fact, well, human technology gifts that God gave people to be able to think are duplicating and actually making high grade petroleum and can make coal. But at the end of the day is it needed to be done well for the oil to use up waste products from meat packing plants and that kind of a thing. Why throw it in the ground and bury it, turn it into something good. Same thing with sewage sludge, do something good with it, whether they’re making oil out of it, that makes good sense. But the fact of the matter is the ground is full of coal and oil known reserves, high quality stuff. So it’s not even necessary, but it does make sense to do that kind of thing.

Sam Rohrer:       And then we tied it into the whole idea of global warming and climate change, which is a big scare tactic. We’ve talked about that. So how are we going to conclude this now? Because Bodhi, at the end of the day, the fear moners and most of, I don’t want to say not all, but most of the fear mongers and the business type leaders and the globalists, they want control. If you scare people into doing something, you can accomplish a lot controlling people. And if you can force changes in the economy in the way it’s done, certain business leaders are going to make a lot of money and other ones are going to be cut out. So there’s a lot of these things that are going on, but it does raise the fundamental question because this is a part of it. People say, if you don’t stop burning this oil or digging this coal, you are going to destroy the environment.

Sam Rohrer:       And here it brings up the logical question and that is this biblically, can you describe the proper biblical balance, the divine balance, put it that way between what the Bible says, told Adam and all of us take dominion, rule this earth, God put all these natural resources here for us, use it within the concept of stewardship. Now, the world doesn’t really understand stewardship, but would you lay out the balance of what electrician apologetic towards using natural resources in balance with proper stewardship? Because Christians are not out to destroy the world, even though some of these guys would like to say, you burn up the coal and the oil, you’re destroying the world. Put this balance together please.

Bodie Hodge:     Right? And we go back to the Bible. God gave man dominion and God is a ruling God and he gave us something to rule over, and so he gave us dominion. But dominion doesn’t mean just go out and destroy it. It means to take ownership of it, to take care of it in a responsible way. For example, if I were to give my child a new bicycle, yeah, now they take dominion of that bicycle, they take care of it, they maintain it, but they use it at the same time. So we need to be very careful of what’s happening in the world. They’ve gotten to a point now where they want to worship the earth and they want to deny God. And of course that is a religious perspective, and we see people dive into environmentalism or the climate cult and so forth, and they go down those routes.

Bodie Hodge:     We want to encourage ’em, get back because look at this the proper way. Start with it the way God does. Of course, we want to take care of the earth. We want to breathe good air. We don’t want to have dirty water. We like to see the efficiency of recycling and being responsible, but at the same time, we also want to use technology to make things better. We don’t want to neglect that. I know we’ve talked about coal. Coal for example, is cleaner now than it’s ever been. You go back to 1986, they had the Clean Coal Technology Program, and by 2008 it was 82% cleaner in nitrous oxide emissions, about 88% cleaner in their sulfur dioxide emissions and 96% cleaner in their particulate matter. I love seeing technology make this stuff better. It’s amazing what we can do when we use our God-given minds to look after the earth and to take care of it. But at the same time, be careful not to go down the religious route and start worshiping the earth. We need to worship God and look at the world the way that he gave it to

Sam Rohrer:       Us. I think it’s important, and I like that you brought out the concept of worship because ultimately the spiritual component comes right down into everything that we’re talking about as an example. So now you have here the president last week I saw him come out and he issued some kind of an order. It’s not a law, but it’s a threat that coal-fired plants right now that make electricity cannot have any. I think it was actually like zero emissions. And for the first time maybe ever, I heard some of the execs, power plant owners saying, this is crazy. They basically have just rolled over. They said, this is crazy. If this happens, this is not improving. This is absolutely shutting everything down. Now, they didn’t bring worship into it, but there’s something about all of this that walks a fine line between, yeah, we worship government, we worship God, do we worship the earth? Because that does define ultimately what we do and how we think. Put together a few additional thoughts on that as we wrap up the program,

Bodie Hodge:     Right? Well, here’s the thing. When people aren’t thinking God’s thoughts after him, they’re not thinking scripturally. Well then why not destroy the earth? I mean, if you think of this from say, a secular perspective or non-Christian perspective, why not destroy the earth? Why not just trash everything? Why not just kill everybody? You see, when you don’t hold on to biblical understandings of the world and of other people, we’re made in God’s image, we have an eternal value. We should be looking after each other and so forth. When you don’t have that anymore, who cares? Why does it matter? It shocks me to see people out there on the secular world saying, Hey, we got to do this stuff to preserve the earth and so forth. It’s like, well hold it. Those are actually some biblical principles, but at the same time, you’re going about it in all the wrong ways.

Bodie Hodge:     Anyway, so I would love to see people step back and go, hold on. Why are we doing this in the first place? Why? It’s actually a biblical principle to take care of the earth, not a secular principle, a secular principle who cares about the earth, ultimately 98 trillion years in their viewpoint, there’s going to be a heat death and nothing ever mattered. You see, it’s a Christian viewpoint, a biblical viewpoint, why things matter. And sometimes I think that’s what we need to do. We need to start training people. Hey, start looking at it the right way. Look at things in light of what God has to say, and it’ll change entire perspectives through the culture, through politics, all the way down the line.

Sam Rohrer:       And that is a great way to conclude Bodhi and ladies and gentlemen, I’ll just put this one thought here as well. As we talk about so many times how one looks at any aspect of the world, anything, any kind of geopolitics policies of any type, environmental policies, we’re talking about energy policies. It’s all a matter of worldview. If you approach it from a biblical worldview, there’s always a solution. And everything that you do brings a recognition to God as creator, and it will result in proper stewardship. But if you throw off God and there’s no biblical worldview, it ends in destruction, which is exactly what Bodhi talks about. The view that does not have a fear of God says, fine, kill people, destroy the earth. It doesn’t make any difference. Anyway, hopefully that’s not you and me. Now, what’s not you and me, I know that if we have a biblical worldview, Bodhi Hoch, thank you so much for being with me today. Really current topic, good information, and ladies and gentlemen, if you want to go and find some of these things we’ve talked about and a whole lot more, you can go to his website, biblical authority, biblical authority, and of course, our site with this program and all the things we’ve put together in archive form and a whole lot more, stand in the gap and of course, on our app, and then forward it to a friend. Let them know that they can find truth right here.