God’s Exclusive Design for Human Sexuality
June 13, 2024
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Bryan Osborne
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on June 13, 2024. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer: Hello and welcome to this Thursday June the 13th edition of Stand In The Gap. Today as yesterday was our monthly focus on health freedom with Twila Brase. So today is our monthly focus on creation and apologetics. If you did not catch yesterday’s program, please make sure to listen As TWI and I identified a major patient privacy win in Minnesota. Discussed compelling congressional testimony in DC proving that major Covid related policies emanating out of 2020 and beyond to the very present have been strategic lies. And we concluded with the latest important updates on Medicare and warnings not to get the real ID identification even though the federal government is running ads, that it is the law, it’s not now. Today our creation and apologetic update focuses with Bryan Osborne, author, conference speaker and Christian apologist for answers in Genesis. Today, Bryan and I are going to engage a topic that I’m going to say though it is highly culturally controversial, is not even remotely biblically controversial or even up for discussion from God’s perspective.
Sam Rohrer: And that is the area of human sexuality, man and woman, male and female, male and female in marriage, male and female with children born from that union, the world and God rejecting culture has its unfettered view of human sexuality and God has the contrast. Couldn’t be more extreme and distinct. Hence the conflict and the cultural controversy that we’re seeing about us today with what God has declared to be. Frankly non-debatable, non-negotiable is dangerous on many levels and sadly, the not open for debate design instituted by God of creation is being debated in homes across the country. Shouldn’t be, it’s settled, it’s being justified and rationalized or avoided in many churches and being completely redefined in well pseudoscience and academia also dangerous, very dangerous on many levels. Civil government, civil government, courts, legislatures, federal and state departments, their policies are arrogantly and defiantly redefining what God has defined is wrong. Hence by so doing, calling God a liar, that’s dangerous. The designation of June as pride month is but one demonstration of man’s defiance to God that demands that all those who fear God not only understand God’s design for human sexuality, but we understand as well how to defend God’s design. So the title I’ve chosen for today’s focus is this, God’s exclusive design for human sexuality. And with that welcome in the program route Brian Osborne calling in, I believe from there in Kentucky, Northern Kentucky, aren’t you Brian?
Bryan Osborne: Yeah, you got that right over here in my office in the Creation museum. And Sam, it is great to be with you as always.
Sam Rohrer: It’s great to have you back. This is a great subject, controversial as I’m saying, but it’s not with God. So we’re going to be on safe ground because we’re speaking at it coming up from God’s perspective. But Brian, in my introduction, I laid down a brief description of the theme we’ll be discussing today. I referenced only a few aspects of this matter of man’s attack against God’s design for human sexuality. It’s found its way deeply into our culture. In the next segment we’re going to be talking about some other things related to this, but very clearly what we’ve witnessed over the last generation are advancement of major government policies, our own US government, perhaps the biggest dispenser and distributor of an anti-God view using US tax dollars now firmly embedded in the UN global policy. Anyway, big issue that being the case. Here we go. I want to ask you this question from God’s perspective, Brian, how would you define and describe the problem currently facing our culture in this area of human sexuality? The extent of the problem and briefly put together the cost for how we got so far deeply into the point we now are?
Bryan Osborne: Yeah, I would say Sam, in short, really what we’re looking at here is either we choose to obey God’s word or man’s. Either you follow Christ or you follow your own sinful, broken heart. Either we follow Jesus or we follow the Disney mantra, which is follow your heart. And that’s really what it is at its core. And what we’re seeing in our culture is really, it’s a widespread rebellion against what God clearly says about morality, sexuality, gender, marriage. God has clearly defined those things as you already studied in your intro. He’s clearly defined that it’s not controversial within the biblical worldview. This has been the Christian teaching for two millennia now on the straightforward teaching of understanding of those saints from the biblical perspective. And so it’s really a rebellion against that and a embracing of the idea that man can create himself. He can be his own authority, he can define his own sexuality, define his own gender.
Bryan Osborne: He can even reject what God gave him with at birth his biological gender. He can reject that and in his own mind, recreate his gender and then say people must bow to that. And so it really is his battle between God being the authority or you becoming as your own God, which goes back really to the lie of Genesis chapter three. And then you think about the extent of this problem. We see it Sam, it’s literally everywhere, of course June pride month unfortunately. And it’s actually a very accurate title for the movement because it’s rooted in pride rebelling against God. But this month we see such the celebration of this ideology all over the place in our culture, but it’s everywhere, it’s in our culture. And Sam, unfortunately it’s in similar much to the church. I’m sure you heard about what happened with the Methodist denomination recently.
Bryan Osborne: They just agreed within the denomination to really abandon biblical morays in regard to sexuality and marriage and even gender and embrace really the L-G-B-T-Q ideology and we’re seeing much of that compromise within the church and how do we get here? In short, it’s really been just this attack on God’s word piece by piece. And of course I worked for answers and genesis and we point out a lot, but I think accurately that the attack on God’s word really started years ago back at Genesis where they’re attacking biblical history, undermining biblical authority, getting people to question the Bible there. And then if you get people to question Genesis one, why not Genesis two and Genesis three and Genesis 11, Exodus 20, and then Leviticus and then the Old Testament, why not question the entire Bible and even Jesus’s teachings himself and reject him. And so it’s just been eroding of biblical authority and it’s happened not only in the culture, but I think the biggest factor in so much of the saturation of this bad ideology in our culture has been the compromise the most of the church or it’s compromised with secular ideas. And so as the church gives way, we’re not being the salt and the light God has called us to be. And I think that has led to the biggest consequences and the biggest sprint of this really anti-biblical ideology in the culture we see at large today.
Sam Rohrer: Okay, Brian, you did a good job I think of putting that perspective because ladies and gentlemen, as we approach this issue from a biblical worldview perspective, you listen to the program regularly, you know that in every area of consideration that we do on this program, which looks at key lead cultural issues or headline news and bring to it a biblical worldview perspective, at the end of the day when we look at things from God’s perspective, it’s not controversial. It’s very clear because there’s two ways, God’s way, man’s way. So we’re looking at this issue today from God’s perspective on this matter of human sexuality. When we come back, Brian and I are going to talk about, alright, defining God’s design, describing it and why God did it that way. The third segment, we’re going to talk about the warnings that God has given us throughout scripture about departing from or trying to change his design.
Sam Rohrer: Y just joining us today, this is our monthly creation and apologetics update, which is I tended to call these focuses every month most of the time, not exclusively but most of the time with a spokesperson from answers. In Genesis today, it’s Brian Osborne, he’s author, conference speaker, and an apologist for answers in Genesis. And our theme is this, God’s exclusive design for human sexuality. And I know that this issue, no matter who you are, you aware of the controversy in our nation and around the world, it actually may be within your own household. It’s one of these things that has touched most everyone who’s listening to me, but in trying address this, well the best place to go I believe, we believe is to the word of God. Now a bit of a backdrop getting into this on Monday’s program with Dr. Marlene McMillan. If you did not listen to me, then I would suggest you would, our topic was this, choosing to choose critical thinking is not biblical thinking.
Sam Rohrer: And we went into some detail on that. So go back and listen to that. But we identified in that program for reality, I just want to cite right now because it has bearing on our discussion today. I believe the first reality is this, the reality of choice as an expression of free will was given to all of us by God, that creation. So all of us choose every day, we choose about all kinds of things. Number one, that’s the reality. Number two, the reality that God has offered and identified two distinct approaches to all of human civilization from creation to the end of the millennial kingdom with two completely opposite earthly as well as eternal outcomes described. Well in Deuteronomy 30 15 where it says there God says, I put before you this day, two choices, one leads to life and blessing. That’s what God says, I want you to choose.
Sam Rohrer: The other is a choice that leads to death and judgment, which is what the devil wants us to do, right? Third reality is that there are two ways. One is the broad way that Jesus said leads to an eternity in hell. And there are many on that road. The other is a narrow way that leads to blessing and life everlasting through faith in Jesus Christ. And he says, few there be that, find that road. And then the fourth one reality is that all of these realities will be determined by how we choose to think. Now biblical thinking will lead to life. Man’s thinking, which Brian talked about in just the other side in the segment will lead to death and misery and destruction. Now, if you did not hear again Monday’s program, go back and listen to choosing to choose and I encourage you to listen to that in light of this because it applies to all matters of life, including our theme today, God’s design for human sexuality. So Brian, I want to give you some wide latitude now and have you make the case for God’s design for human sexuality by looking at the what and then the why. So let’s start here. First define the what precisely did God establish at creation? What is that model?
Bryan Osborne: Yeah, and as you already said down, the best place to start for that is the Bible. We go to the word of God, let him tell us what he said, what he did at creation. And we go to Genesis chapter one and it says, God made mankind in his own image. Verse 27, in image of God, he created him, male and female, he created them. And so God made males and females, he gives us our gender, he creates our gender. When you’re born, you’re not assigned a gender, your gender is recognized, it’s what’s been given to you by God. And so he made boys, he made girls, and this is good in his sight. And so he made the male and female. I think we see in Genesis chapter two, we see the first marriage where it’s not good for man to be alone. So y’all make a helper fit for Adam.
Bryan Osborne: And just so people who are listening realize the word helper, the title helper, helper for the woman, it doesn’t demean her or take away from her values still equal value because both her and Adam are made in God’s image. Men and women are made in God’s image, equal in value, but the term helper is one that God assigns to himself towards mankind multiple times. So it’s a very good title and it is really using your strength and your ability to help the one for both of you to pursue God’s purpose, for your glory, for His glory and who he is called you to do so. He is made her a helper to man. And of course Evis presented to Adam as she is bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh. And it says in verse 24, chapter two, therefore man shall leave his father and his mother hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh.
Bryan Osborne: And we see the first marriage, the God defined God ordained institution of marriage, which is the foundational building block of any good human flourishing in a society. And so God made gender, he made marriage, and of course enough from other biblical passages as a point of marriage is to be a picture of Christ and his bride of church and also to produce godly offspring, want to make offspring. You need a biological boy and a biological girl to make offspring within the marriage, covenant and union. And Mal Pac tells him to make godly offspring for the glory of God. And so this is what God has done. This is what he established from the beginning. But by the way, Sam, a quick little side there, but all it’s so important. If that history in Genesis is not real history, Genesis one to 11 and somehow mythological just symbolic and we can’t trust it, then where do we find out who we are?
Bryan Osborne: Where do we find definitions for marriage and gender and sexuality? If that’s all mythology, why should you trust it? And many Christians are compromising Genesis one to 11, getting rid of it as real history, which Jesus never did. He said it’s real history from the beginning, God made them male and female. He defines marriage as it was in Genesis chapters one and two and every biblical alt does as well. So we’ve got to be sure we’re holding the facts to Genesis and we’re teaching ourselves and our kids to defend the truth of God’s word from the beginning. Sam, our kids must know what they believe and why rooted in God’s word. Yes, we can define gender, we can define marriage and sexuality. They’re rooted in the history and the truth of the revealed word of God, starting from the very first verse. And so at the ministry that answers to Genesis, we’re teaching Christians to defend their faith and their kids’ faith and kids to defend their faith from the first verse so they can no and trust all of God’s word and really be the salt and like God is called us to be.
Bryan Osborne: But we must stand firmly from the beginning on the very first verse,
Sam Rohrer: Right? And that is fantastic Brian. And of course one of the reasons I like to have you and some of your team here is because as a part of this ministry of standing the gap radio and tv, it is to do exactly that same thing. Go to the beginning, see what God says, identify his design and what God designs. He also tells us why some of the definition that you gave in describing of this model of male female marriage, you brought up children, you brought up a product of that marriage. You’re already touching a little bit on the why, but I want to ask you to build that out a little bit and maybe put it this way, why did God do it this way? If you want to add anything more to what you said and why is it so important that we understand God’s reasons for doing it and keep ourselves in alignment with what God says? We’ll deal more with that on the last segment, but build out a little bit on the why here right now on this.
Bryan Osborne: Absolutely. I think there are really two big reasons we can talk about why God did this way as far we can glean from scripture. Number one, he did it this way for His glory. This is what glorifies him the most. That’s why he did it this way. And so we need to understand that as we obey him, we are glorifying him. And of course we are made to glorify God. We’re made to know him and to make him known and doing so, we are glorifying. So the very essence of who we are, who we’re made to be is to know and glorify God guidance. So we do things his way. We’re doing what we’re created to do, which is an amazing fulfillment of purpose and identity and so forth. And so number one is for is glory. And then related to that, I kind of mentioned it a little bit, it’s also for human flourishing.
Bryan Osborne: Sam, God made us, he knows how we work best. He knows what is best force. You see, not only is God soling and we should obey him because he’s God, but also because he’s a good God and he wants what is best force in the way he’s created us. He’s given us an outline to follow about human sexuality and marriage and gender. If we follow that, it leads to human flourishing. If you think about it, we see an example of this in the West and in particular in America where biblical norms were the standard for decades or even centuries in this country. And it led to the greatest human flourishing this world has ever seen. Of course that’s all by God’s grace, but you get the idea. And so in short, God made did it this way for his glory and for our good, and we can trust what he has done in that.
Bryan Osborne: And so if we want to flourish, we want to have a society that is flourishing, that we’ve seen like in the past, well then we’re got to do God’s will, God’s way. And as we already start to see as our culture, a abandons biblical authority and a abandons, biblical definitions and abandons, God’s prescribed ways to do things including marriage and section and gender and so forth as we abandoned that, we’re seeing the collapse of many cultural and societal goods, our nation going into the wrong direction and it’ll keep going that direction unless there is a repentance within our nation and turning back to God and following his word as the truth.
Sam Rohrer: And Brian, we’ll get into a little bit more on that in the next segment, ladies and gentlemen, because we’re going to talk about God’s warning because God all the way through the scripture, God says, this is my way and if you do it my way, this will be the results, blessing, prosperity. If you don’t do it my way, you’re going to reap consequence. We’ll talk about in that segment. But Brian, just a little bit of time left or not much God’s command later in Genesis to take dominion over the earth and to go out and have children which obviously then represent souls who can be saved and come into redemption with God’s word. That’s a part of God’s plan as well. That can’t be completed without doing it God’s way, right?
Bryan Osborne: Exactly. You’re exactly right. It takes a biological male and a biological female to have a child and God told us to fill the earth. That is the command. And so part of the reason he made it this way is to be obedient, to obey that command, to feel the earth which requires a real man and a real woman to make real kids, to raise those kids in the fear and ammunition of the Lord. Deuteronomy six, right when you rise up, when you sit down, teach your kids the way they should go, we should be challenged by that as parents and then it really reaches the next generation around us for Christ as we have that biblical world of you established in coming generations. But you’re exactly right, you can’t do that without God’s prescribed methods and his creation. We find all the way back in Genesis chapter one and two,
Sam Rohrer: Ladies and gentlemen, remember this, we just talked about it, will we find in scripture it can only be accomplished with God’s blessing by doing it God’s way and he prescribes that and it’s always in accordance with God’s word. God’s will, God’s way according to God’s word. When we come back, we’re going to talk about what God’s word says and warns about deviating from his design when life is viewed through a biblical worldview, which we try to demonstrate every time on this program. When you come, hopefully you hear, share it again an application of a biblical worldview but of necessity, which you’ve already heard from my guest Brian Osborne from answers and Genesis and the things that I have said, a biblical worldview of necessity starts with God and we go to creation because that’s where he tells us about in the beginning. And God though in his role and character nature as absolute authority because he is, but a biblical worldview then continues with in our thinking and our biblical thinking is God as absolute authority.
Sam Rohrer: It continues with him through the process and it also ends what starts with continues with and ends with God as all authority be for whom we know according to biblical worldview, all people will bow one day and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God. Again, that purpose of male and female bringing glory to God, the brain just said it all fits. It just fits and fits in, just supports everything. Scripture is so supportive of it never contradicts, but man, as a result, as a creation of God has no right or authority to question God as Satan tempted eve to do in the garden as this very act is sin. Think about that. So into this framework, God has given us all we need to know about his design for creation and specifically for mankind, us those who are listening to us right now in God’s word, we learn of the road to blessing the road to life as stated so clearly in Deuteronomy six and 28, Ecclesiastes 12, 13 to 14 in so many places, fear God keep my commandments.
Sam Rohrer: That’s what he said. And he said, when you do that, blessing will follow, but there’s opposites. It’s also true. Rebel against God, question his designs and choose not to fear God or keep his commandments and judgment well then God says clearly cursings pain and suffering and ultimately death will occur. I didn’t say that God said that. Now in fact, the warnings from God in the area of human sexuality are very explicit and they are throughout the entirety of scripture. So Brian, let’s go here. The Bible is a book of warnings in the area of human sexuality. I’m going to ask you this question, what warnings, because there’s probably too many to share, but what warnings and consequences? Because God always says, if you do this then this will happen. If you do this, then this will happen. So what warnings and consequences that God make clear for individuals who’ve rejected God’s design for human sexuality, either what you talked about in the last segment or the why as you just described.
Bryan Osborne: Yeah, it’s interesting. You quoted Deuteronomy a couple of times now and I’m sure listeners know the word Deuteronomy. It means second law. And so the book of Deuteronomy, this was given by Moses to the Israelites on the plane of Moab, is about to go into the promised land. Of course he can’t go with them, he’s about to send them over with Joshua into the promised land. He’s going to give ’em the last kind of pep rally speech. He gives them the law a second time, he gives it to ’em again. When he gets done, he basically says this what you already said. And that is he told them, listen guys, if you obey God’s law, you’ll be blessed. If you disobey, you’ll be cursed. And I know that’s a very simple statement, but it’s a very true statement. It has ramifications for every area of life including marriage, gender, and sexuality.
Bryan Osborne: I think one of the best verses we could go to could go to a whole bunch of them as you already mentioned, but Romans chapter one, we can start man, verse 21. I’ll kind of skimm through, but people want to follow along Romans one verse 21, for although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and foolish and their foolish hearts were darkened. Verse 22, claiming to be wise, they became fools. And Sam, I think you see that so much in our culture today where people are saying, oh, we’re so wise, we’re throwing off these old shackles. We’re progressing to something that is better. But this progression, this progressivist ideology in our culture is progressing away from biblical truth and biblical norms. And as it does so it actually just away from God therefore leads us to curses and brokenness.
Bryan Osborne: Therefore, this progression, so-called is actually regression and it’s horrible for us, but people are claiming to be wise, but they’re actually being fooled as a result. See that verse 22 and then verse 24, therefore God gave them up in the lust of their hearts to impurity because it’s honoring of their bodies among themselves because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie. And worship served the creature, which is even ourselves rather than the creator who is blessed forever. And verse 26, first reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions for the women, exchange natural relations for those that are contrary to nature. And the men likewise give up natural relations for women and were consumed with passion for one another. Men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves that do penalty for their error given interpretations of that. But someone argue even some of the diseases and things within the homosexual community maybe connected to that verse either way, there are definitely consequences when you abandon God’s word in the verse 28.
Bryan Osborne: And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. And man, if you look at our culture, this progression, the sexual revolution, the homosexual revolution, the transgender revolution we’re being given over to a debased mind. And so when you abandon God’s word, there are consequences both personally, culturally, society wide, and we’re seeing that in a culture. And so that’s the warning we get consistently throughout scripture. And this is not out of God being somehow a tyrant or meaning. He’s actually being very loving. He’s saying, listen, I’ve made the world to work a certain way just like God made the law of gravity to function a certain way. If you jump off a really tall building without anything to fly, if you jump on by yourself, you’re going to fall and you’re going to die.
Bryan Osborne: He made the world the work that way. So it behooves us to understand He made it its way and to act accordingly. Don’t jump off the building, not a parachute, just don’t jump off the buildings in general. That’s a bad idea. You’re not Spiderman or Superman. So we understand that same thing within the realm of relationships and our identity. God’s made the way this world works. He’s decided how relationships and how marriage and gender works, if you abandon his defined laws for those things, if you will, then you will reap consequences. You’ll hit the ground with a thud and it’ll break you in your life and affect those around you. Romans one is a warning about that. Deuteronomy, the whole book warn just about that. Multiple other passages give us that very clear way, but that’s not a love. Listen, I love you. Don’t do this. I’ll be bad for you. And if you do what I say, you will be blessed, you’ll flourish, you’ll have my blessing upon you. It doesn’t mean things will be perfect, not any stretch, but we’ll see our god’s blessing in general in our lives and in our culture. I don’t a Q stand, but I’m definitely wanting more the blessing rather than the cursing.
Sam Rohrer: Well, I do too. And I’ve chosen to do that and therefore my choices have reflected that for you. And that’s the whole point we’re making, isn’t it, Brian? That choices we follow if we biblically think biblically and act accordingly, we will be on a pathway to blessing and prosperity with God’s blessing. Now you mentioned at the end there, I want you to expand upon this a little bit. We can spend a lot of time on this, but Romans one really speaks more perhaps to the cultural yes, but it’s really to the personal. A person will actually experience in their own body. And the New Testament tells us that sexual sins are done against our own body. So there are things and consequences that result from that when we violate God’s pattern. But in God’s capacity as authority, he’s established authority in the home, the church, civil government, those authorities are also to carry out God’s plan, which is part of what we’re talking about. But there are warnings and consequences for nations are there not, or entities or anybody’s authority over other people in regard to carrying out and not rejecting God’s design for human sexuality. That gets us into the cultural side of it. Speak on that a little bit though.
Bryan Osborne: Yeah. Well, you see warnings of scripture about, as you mentioned, the blessings and cursings that follow along with obey God and not a obey God. And of course you look to different places like in Proverbs and there places where it says the nation rejoice rejoices when there’s righteous leadership and then groans when there’s unrighteous leadership. And of course righteousness defined by God and his rule in his standard. So for obeying God and pushing a righteous ideology that would be good for the nation as a whole. And these principles, depending on your interpretation in particular parts of scripture, which clear there are principles set up in the Bible, whether it’s for a person, a community, or a nation, these principles are same for all three. And that is if you are obeying God, that’s going to be better for you. And if you are not, that’s going to be worse for you.
Bryan Osborne: You look at Israel as an example in the Old Testament, a lot of principles we can glean from now when Israel was following God, he blessed him. Their lives weren’t perfect, we’re not saying that, but they were blessed in general. But one day he got comfortable, complacent and they abandoned God. Then we see him bring judgment and bring them to repentance and they will come back to him, especially in the Book of Judges, a repeated cycle. You see that? And so there’s that clear example laid out before us, and let me encourage people on this. Some people say, okay, Brian and Sam, that’s all well and good, but we just got to be neutral on this because we can’t be dogmatic, can’t bring religion into this. But friends, there is no neutral either. God’s word is your authority or man’s word is. And if you reject God’s word and say, well, we can just talk about this on neutral grounds, and you’re not being neutral because you rejected the only true authority and you’ve actually accepted man’s ideas as the authority. Now I just arguing about which person is the authority. Those Christians, there’s not a neutral ground. And this has ramifications in our lives, in our homes, in our societies, in our culture and our nation at large. It’s something we should take very, very seriously and stand firm in truth and in love to those around, into our culture and to our nation, to the world.
Sam Rohrer: That’s so good. Brian. And ladies, we’re at the end of this break, but when you look around our country now think about individually we know what is happening, it’s just kind of prevalent, this idea of well, you can choose your gender, you don’t have to be married. And as a result, our youngest generations are not even getting married, fornicating with each other and they think it’s fine and all of that kind of thing. We see that now everything we’re seeing about the whole trans movement, it’s all a part of this, but when government endorses it and churches fly the rainbow flag, which you see all over, there’s something that happens from God’s perspective, the consequences become far greater, far deeper when there are authorities, not just individuals but authorities that sanction what God has said is wrong. Now, when we come back, we’re going to talk about this matter of defending God’s design as we go into the final segment here.
Sam Rohrer: Now I’m going to be asking my special guest, Brian Osborne, three questions actually and try to wrap this up with some application. Now, what do you do? What do we do with this information around the idea of God’s design? God having a design, a plan, a what and a why for the way he created humankind in his image, male and female, which he created and marriage and children from that and for in part purpose, to take dominion over the earth and to fulfill his command. And from that, to have children to populate the earth for what purpose? Well, when we do what he says, to bring glory to his name, all representing people who can be redeemed, all representing souls that if they choose God’s way, can be redeemed with the promise of living with him forever. What a promise that is a promise that is a good one.
Sam Rohrer: So all of these things are factored into it, but from the beginning, rebellious individuals led by the devil himself have sought a better way, told God no when he said yes, told God yes when he said no on all kinds of ways. And the result through time have either experienced the blessings or suffered the consequences, which we identified in the last segment, some of them. So now what do we do with these things? I just want to advise all of you right now or just encourage you again on our site and off of our app, these programs are posted. As you know, generally shortly after this program is heard, you’ll find it on our website, but you’ll also find that a transcript that is available that you can actually bring up, bring it up in your phone if that’s how you access it or your computer, and you can actually read along with what you are hearing and you can mark it up. And I encourage you to do that. So with that in mind, Brian, let’s get into it. Do all people, Brian, have a duty? And I’m not saying all saved people, but I’m just saying all human do all people have a duty to defend God’s design for human sexuality? Because God laid out his model for all people, whether they would agree with him or not. But do all people have a duty to defend God’s design for human sexuality? Why or why not?
Bryan Osborne: Yeah, it’s a really interesting question to really think about and ponder. And I’m going to say the answer is yes, because we’re all made in God’s image. We’re all God’s creation. We are the creatures. He is the creator. And so by definition, based on that understanding as him as God, sovereign God, creator God and his creation, his creatures, and we should seek to do what he says to do and to defend what he has said. Now, of course, that’s the whole point of us talking about this though, right, is that some of his image bearers have chosen to rebel against him and choose their own way and what they think is better. But of course we know it is not and they’re rebelling against them. So should we, should everyone be seeking it? Yes, because number one, God’s God and we’re not bottom line. And then number two, if we understand things rightly just for self preservation and then also for the benefit of self, I mean, it’s good for us to do what God has said because it blesses us most likely. And of course we know it glorifies God. And so number one, God’s God, we should debate number two, it’s good for us, but sin makes us stupid. And that’s what sin really does. It sin turns us away from what is obvious, it consumes us with ourselves and we try to deify ourselves, become our own gods, and we rebel and we do what we ought not to do to our shame and to our harm.
Sam Rohrer: Okay, Brian, I just want to interrupt you only because of time, and that’s exactly what you quoted from Romans Chapter one really speaks to all people there. So let’s establish. So yes, ladies and gentlemen. Now, regardless of what a person, their worldview, they have a duty to agree with God and the consequences apply to them. Here’s the next question, Brian, do all God-fearing people more precise here, hold perhaps an even greater duty to defend God’s design for human sexuality? I mean, for those listening to this program, is there a greater duty to defend? And if so, how can and should we defend?
Bryan Osborne: I’ll try to be concise here. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. All God-fearing people, all people want to glorify God and serve him faithfully. We have a duty to defend what God has said in his word. Now, let’s be clear, Sam, decades ago, this wasn’t a point of contention for a lot of people in our culture, especially the Western culture, God given parameters for sex and gender, sexuality we’re assumed. So there wasn’t that much need to defend it because it was already assumed in our culture. But now it’s quite the opposite. There is an attack, a vehement attack on God’s ordained method for marriage and sexuality and so forth. And so yes, we need to stand and defend this. Can I just throw a plug here to the fathers? Oh, amen. We are the heads of our houses. God has laid the responsibility on us to raise our kids in the fear and the ammunition of the Lord.
Bryan Osborne: And so that burden, that mantle is laid on us, we need to be sure that we are obeying God’s command to be sure our kids are ready to defend their faith where the attack is happening today. And so be sure we are leading that charge and raising our kids to know God’s word, know that’s reliable, be able to defend it. And we love equipping Christians and families and fathers and leaders to have those answers to show people scripture is reliable. It’s right about everything. It’s right about history and morality, sexuality and gender. It’s right about salvation found of Christ alone, and we’ve got answers just stand on God’s word. Let’s be sure that we as Christians are standing firm and that we as fathers and husbands are leading our families to stand firm on the word of Christ.
Sam Rohrer: Amen and amen to that. Absolutely. Last question touched on it, but I want to bring it out again in this matter of those who fear God and defending, is it possible for a person on this matter of God’s design for human sexuality to be silent or to believe that they can assume some point of neutrality on God’s design for human sexuality? You’ve mentioned it, but build it out a little bit more. I think this is the big one. Why or why not?
Bryan Osborne: Yeah, Sam. It is absolutely impossible to be neutral. You just can’t be. Every issue in our culture and that we face personally always comes down to this thing. Either God’s word is the authority or man’s word is. It always comes down to that, either with me or against me. Christ says, either you gather with me or you scatter. There is no neutrality, so we cannot be neutral. And then I would say, honestly, today, you really can’t be silent either. Now, depending on what you do for a living and what God has called you to do, maybe you’re not as loud publicly as some others might be. Like my job, I did a lot of public speaking, so of course I’m having more of a voice in public and of course high profile politicians and the YouTubers having a bigger influence. So I mean, those people are out there, but we can’t be silent even with our own homes, within our own spheres of influence because the people around us, they need answers.
Bryan Osborne: And Sam, as I was kind of getting to a little bit a second ago, within our families with our kids, if you have children, even if you homeschool those kids, our culture’s so saturated with this anti-God view of gender and sexuality, that they’re going to hear about it one way or another, whether from shows or cartoons or ads. As they grow older, as they talk to people, it’s just everywhere. And so if we want them to have a biblical view, then we’ve got to teach ’em what the Bible says on those things. We’ve got to give them that foundation show God’s word is true and it’s right about all these things, including sexuality and gender, and give them that biblical understanding. If we don’t, eventually, where do they go? They go to man’s ideas. Either we’re giving them God’s word at their foundation or man’s ideas will become their foundation for their lives.
Bryan Osborne: And so we can be silent both in our homes, within our spheres of influence and within the culture at large. And lemme just say this too, I know a lot of people out there listening. I run into these people all the time who will talk to me and say, I’ve had a view of, I’ve believed the Bible about sexuality for a long time until my kid came out as homosexual or my nephew said this, or my friend did this. And I thought, well, maybe there’s a little flex here. Let me encourage you. Christian, even if they loved one, goes down an errand road, the road is still false and God’s word is still true. And we still stand from what God’s word and most loving thing we can do it to call them back to God’s word and show them that their real identity and purpose is found in Christ and Christ alone.
Sam Rohrer: Brian Osborne from Answers in Genesis, thank you so much for being with us. Your website answers in genesis.org, correct? Correct. There you go. Ladies and gentlemen, you can get that so much information. You can find Brian things that he’s written on our website as well. Stand in the gap radio.com. Remember, fear God keep his commandments. It’s the most loving thing that we can do, not only for God, but as we live it out before others.
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