Threats to Health Freedom: Destructive Policies, Politicians,
and Diminished Personnel
August 7, 2024
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Twila Brase
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/7/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer: Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In A Gap Today, and it’s also our monthly feature on health Freedom with Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom with a website at, I’ll give it to you right now, cchfreedom.org. So you can go there and I’ll give that again during the program. But in these monthly focuses, we present those items that collectively we’ve talked about being of most relevant impact to matters of health freedom and whether they pose in many cases challenges, in some cases good news. And we have a little bit of both here today, but that freedom, health freedom that is as we’ve known it in our nation here, has been under attack aggressively for a long time. And those challenges are, frankly, my opinion, increasing. They’re not lessening, but in this crucible view it that way.
Sam Rohrer: Creative thinking does arise. And as people become aware of the enormous challenges they present to the average person, to you and to me and what we do and where we get our health input, all of that kind of thing, creativity for some people increases and for some resolve increases. And where that happens, that’s a good thing. Now today, there are three broad areas of challenges, one of which is a good response. The three we’re going to talk about today, we’ll deal with all of them. The tide I’ve chosen for today’s program is this threats to health freedom, destructive policies and politicians and diminished personnel. And within that title, you get a sense of where we may be going, but it’s all pertinent and it’s truthful and I think it’ll be interesting in some cases, encouraging edifying I know for all. So with that, let me invite in right now to the program, Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom and Twila, thank you for being back.
Twila Brase: Well, it is always good to be back. Thanks so much, Sam. Yep.
Sam Rohrer: It’s always good to have you back and as I’ve said many times on here, our listeners, I know they respond, they like it when you’re on. And so let’s get into this issue here today because before we go to the matter of what I’m going to call destructive policies, and there’s going to be some good news in the next segment, we’re going to talk about diminished personnel, mention that briefly and that’ll make sense. We’ll talk about that in segment three. Then I want to conclude with your input, what I’m going to say is proactive action perhaps that wise patients can take relative to their health freedom. So let’s go now immediately to this concept of what I’m calling dangerous health policy. And because policy comes from politicians, I’m going to put politicians into that because we know and can predict what politicians will do based on their past if they have a past and we do have one right from your home state of Minnesota. Now it’s in the news, let’s talk about it. Kamala Harris has picked Governor Tim Walz as her vice presidential pick, but he does have a history. You know him well. So tell us a little bit about him. Good pick, bad pick. What’s it mean based on what you know about him in regard to health freedom and healthcare in America?
Twila Brase: Well, being a nonprofit as I am, I can’t do anything that comes even close to electioneering, but I will tell you just about his policies so that everybody has an idea of who this man is. So he’s been our governor for, I don’t know, six years now probably. Here’s some of the things that you should know about him. He believes in healthcare as a human right and people don’t tend to think about the fact that if healthcare is a human right, and if doctors have a human right not to be doctors or people have a human right not to be doctors, then how do you ever have healthcare access as a human right? This is really, you can’t give somebody that kind of right because you’re taking it away from somebody else and saying, you have to be a doctor, you have to be a nurse, right, in order to make this happen.
Twila Brase: Okay? He also was also very interested in the public option, which is a word that really just means letting all of the public go into a government established insurance plan, which just means we’ll all be in Medicaid or Medicare for all. That’s really what we’re talking about here. He was perfectly happy to let illegal aliens go into Medicaid and so taxpayers to fund their healthcare Minnesota is what’s called a trans refuge state. And so that was a bill that he passed or that he signed to let there be no repercussions for leaving other states and coming and having gender procedures here really strong on advancing the right to abort your child. And then he’s really a lockdown. He was a lockdown leader. We were not only locked down from March through the end of May, but then there was a second lockdown period. It wasn’t stay at home, but it was essentially a bunch of businesses had to close and public gatherings were prohibited. And that was in November. And he created a snitch line to encourage people to tattle on people around them if they weren’t being masked or if they were outside of their home walking with somebody. And then his very first executive order was to create an office of essentially A DEI office, an office of Inclusion and Equity. And now we know that as DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion. So that’s a little bit about Kamala Harris’s VP pick.
Sam Rohrer: So that being the case, you have put him down and I’ve been reading several things about him. Actually had gotten a note from former Congressman Michelle Bachman, who’s been with me in this program. And you know her, she’s from your state as well. And she had actually taken, put together an entire consideration, and I’ve not gone through every one of them, but appears to be an individual from regardless of whether it is tax policy, to environmental policy, to health policy, to whatever it is, puts him squarely either right where Kamala is or even to her left if that’s possible. Michelle had said in a note that was sent out, so we’ve got somebody here that’s worth watching and at this juncture, based on his policies, we’ve got somebody who does not understand health freedom as we know it and do we, you could say that, right? He’s not interested in maintaining health freedom as you are seeking to protect.
Twila Brase: No, that’d be true. And he had an initiative called One Minnesota, and when I think about that, I think about the possibility that he would be like one America a one America kind of agenda. And it’s very on the socialist bent, right? It’s very much on the left and that’s what you would expect because he is a Democrat. But it’s nice to know exactly what has actually been signed into law by him or proposed.
Sam Rohrer: Alright, so ladies and gentlemen, so that part of it, policies, in the next segment we’re going to talk about that. This one here was about politicians. Here’s one that’s coming on the scene. He has a record. That record will fully come out and more people will begin to talk about it. We just gave a piece of it. When I come back, I’m going to look at a matter of policies and ask Twila to look back at those policies which have been most negatively impacting our health freedom. If you’re just joining us today, Twila Brase is back with me today. She’s the president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom with a website@cchfreedom.org. She has been on this program every month for a long time on matters related to health freedom and that for which her organization is put together and established. The title I’ve chosen for today’s focus though is threats to health freedom, destructive policies and Politicians and Diminished Personnel.
Sam Rohrer: And you’ll see how these all fit together. We just talked in the last segment about one individual governor, Tim Walz, governor of Minnesota, tapped now by Kamala Harris to be her VP running mate. There’ll be a lot of information coming out about him, but his record is clear. He has been there and governor, he’s not going to be able to run from it. He’s had extraordinary deep and broad restrictions and impositions on health freedom generally I’ll just go there, but politicians begin the process of setting policies that makes sense, right? And all of that’s under the aspect of government. Here’s a bit of background here, just put together some thoughts to help frame this. Before I talked to Twila about some policies that she would identify that have had the most or the greatest impact, I would say, on health freedom, but it goes without saying that government really does above all other things, controls more aspects of life than any other jurisdiction, more than the church, more than the home government impacts all of them, correct?
Sam Rohrer: And God has established that wide jurisdiction of authority. We read about that in Romans 13, one where God says He has ranked and established ranked them, and that’s a key word, all authority and how they relate to each other, the home government, the church, the individual, all of those are part of God’s plan. But civil government is powerful. God gives it that power. He’s given them the authority because he’s given them actually what the word there in Romans 13 says, the sword, meaning it has the power to make law and force the law punish the evil, praise the good and put into jail whoever they want, including taking the lives of those they think need to die. That is the power of government. Now, when they do it properly, they punish the evil and they praise the good. That is what they should do. But when they become perverted policies, they punish the law abiding and they protect the lawless.
Sam Rohrer: But policies and laws are the tools of government to justify their actions toward the lawless. They define who is the lawless, they define who is law abiding, that’s government and that’s policy. However, behind those policies is the worldview of the politicians who are making those determinations and there and through government at all levels. But ultimately what determines that is their view of God and their view of God determines their definition of justice and right and wrong. And that alone then determines whether or not they are friends of freedom and servants of God and the people as described what should be, or they become tyrants and promoters of slavery and they view themselves as God right? Now, we often judge people by their policies, which is an important measurement, and it is, it’s an accurate measurement, but it’s preceded, I say by character and a world of view that always precedes policy.
Sam Rohrer: So if you want to know what someone’s going to do, if you don’t know, if they don’t have a history is you do check out their worldview and you check out those things, you can determine their policies. So all of that being said, that’s just a little bit of basis of thinking there. Twila, let’s get into this here. Now in the area of challenges to health freedom, one of those, and you already mentioned some of it with the governor, there’s this politically correct, there’s DEI, there’s woke policies, there’s all that kind of thing. But could I ask you first of all to identify just from an historic perspective, the most harmful health policies over the past, say 10 to 20 years as an example, that have done more than anything to undermine our world standard of healthcare, which has been really the finest here in America, and to undermine the pillars of our health freedom? Let’s go there first and then we’ll move into other things.
Twila Brase: It’s really hard for me to say 10, 20 years because the biggest elephant in this room of policy is Medicare and Medicare and then the HMO Act, which were before that, which really started to take the entire medical profession and put it under the thumb, the hand, the control of government. But in the last 20 years, piling onto that kind of a foundation of socialized medicine, because this is basically an 80 year march towards socialized medicine that we’re already on and that our organization is determined to put an end to, but in the last 10, 20 years, it’s HIPAA, which took away all of our privacy so that all of those people out there who want to control our doctors and profile us and determine what kind of care we can and cannot have, and to build the electronic health record without our consent so that our data could be easily shared. Well, that’s been 20 years for that one. And then of course there’s the Affordable Care Act, and that has been another, what, 14 years. And that is what forced us all into health plans. They call them qualified health plans and said that there cannot be real insurance anymore. So anybody over the age of 29 cannot buy catastrophic coverage or the insurance companies can’t sell catastrophic coverage. And so between these two, I think these really have been really destructive over the last 20 years,
Sam Rohrer: And those have laid the ground, they’ve changed the ground, the foundational aspect of health by interjecting more government into their process. Okay, now just narrow it down here because we know major changes came out of the covid lockdown. There were a lot of things that changed under that scenario, but what would you identify one or two most significant areas of regulation policy change, which have directly undercut individual health freedom as a result of the whole covid piece since 2020?
Twila Brase: Well, I think that the whole thing about the government telling doctors what they can and cannot do, what they will and will not be paid for, and it doesn’t matter that it’s going to kill people and the medication that you know works, we’re not going to let you give. We’re going to take your license, we’re going to bring you up on charges of misinformation. We’re having a gala in October and we have Dr. Mary Talley Boden, and she is the one who fought the FDA against, said that you’re practicing medicine without a license by everything that you were doing for Ivermectin and she won. But that is really hard. It is really hard to win against the government, and they only got a slap in the hand and they should have, all sorts of people should have been fired in the FDA for what they did. And so that whole thing of where the government decided what could be used for a disease and what couldn’t be used for a disease, that must never be allowed to happen. But of course that’s regularly happening in Medicare, regularly happening in Medicare Advantage, regularly happening in Medicaid where the government decides or has their collaborators decide what can and cannot happen. But there we had in Covid the government in a really big way, not allowing us to have a life-saving medication and doctors following along, doctors following along. That was just a terrible change in mindset and in ethics for
Sam Rohrer: Doctors. I agree. And ladies and gentlemen, I’m going to add to that. What was that in real life? That’s called bribery. Money was used by the federal government to incentivize people to do things they otherwise would not do or threaten them if they did not do it to withhold from them. It’s called bribery, it’s corruption. That’s what happened. I’m just putting a different term on it. Let’s go to some good news in the last couple of minutes, Congressman Greg Murphy from North Carolina, you’ve highlighted him as putting forward some good proposals that could make some good impact on the health policies. What is that?
Twila Brase: Yes, and we would like all your listeners to go to our homepage and just click on our act now, which is almost at the top of the homepage. Congressman Murphy has introduced the Educate Act, HR 7 7 2 5. I has 40 co-sponsors, and it is going to, if it gets passed, it will defund any medical school that is imposing diversity, equity and inclusion requirements. So DEI, such as requiring the doctors to embrace certain creeds or coercing the students to adhere to racist tenants or having their education where you look at the color of the skin rather than the cancer or the condition of the patient. And so we are asking people to tell their members of Congress, and if you go to our homepage and you just go to the act now, you can see it and you can just click and the messages are there and it’s easy access to your own members of Congress and you just click, click, click and it all gets sent. So we would love you to take action because this is so important. The last thing that you need is a doctor who cares more about the color of your skin than the condition that you have come into the office for because they’re going to be profiled, they’re going be tracked, and they know that they have to do things by color rather than by conditions.
Sam Rohrer: It’s an amazing thing that those kind of changes were made, but we recall, ladies and gentlemen, and we’ve talked about on this program a lot, but the pressure when it comes from the federal government particularly as Twila talks about, and they attach with it billions and billions of dollars, and they threaten organizations, healthcare organizations or insurance organizations or local docs or whatever it may be, or they reward hospitals for following policies that you otherwise wouldn’t do. It’s pretty powerful. It takes a strong individual to withstand that. And we saw what happened, but I’m glad that Congressman Greg Murphy Twila is putting it through in the legislation to perhaps deal with a piece of this and we hope that it in fact goes forward when we come back state with us, we’re going to talk about one of the other impacts here on health freedom. I’m calling diminished personnel, not just having enough of the good guys.
Sam Rohrer: We’ll talk to you about that when we get back. Our theme for today’s program is this, threats to health freedom, destructive policies and politicians, they go together and diminished personnel. Now, I’m going to explain that just a little bit. I just want to share something with you. A lot of times when I give just a little bit of an intro to some of the segments, like on today’s program, I try to put these together into a brief as an apologetic, just a little bit of an explanation for the what and the why. And I did that in the last segment relative to government in relationship to policies and politicians emanating from their worldview and their character ultimately. And those ultimately become the extension of government laws and regulations. And they either reflect the god’s view, punish those who do evil, praise those who do good, or they take the exact opposite.
Sam Rohrer: That’s a little bit of an apologetic of authority and God’s interaction and how these pieces work. Okay, this one here, we’re talking about diminished personnel. We’re talking about a shortage of something here, just a little bit of a background on that because there’s a principle of government policy that’s a direct result of worldview, which as I’ve just said, of course, emanates from one’s view of God. Everybody’s got a worldview. It’s either a God-centered worldview or it’s a God rejecting worldview. That’s it. Everything else is a variation. But under a biblical worldview, God is a God of blessing and abundance. That’s who our God is. God has created this earth and all that’s needed to provide an abundance of raw materials. He put them in the ground for us. He’s promised rain sufficient for the crops and more than sufficient, the growth of that ground, the sun interacting with that, all of that God did here on this earth.
Sam Rohrer: And it’s more than sufficient to handle billions of people on this earth. There are 8 billion people right now approximately, but there could be billions more if people were to obey God’s command to be fruitful and multiply. That is what God’s command is. Do we hear that today? We are not going to destroy ourselves by obeying God’s commands. We will not overheat, we will not run out of food. We will not die because of exhausted raw materials. And here’s the key, unless we do it to ourselves by rejecting God’s commands and doing it our way now, certainly killing our young as an abortion, yeah, okay, that’s a problem. Drawing our freedom in other ways, embracing the concept of tyrants, socialism, atheist in government, global centralized government concepts, God rejecting generally those who wish to control all things by taxing what they do not want, which is always the way it is.
Sam Rohrer: Whatever you tax, you get less of, right? That’s a principle. Or promoting the view of scarcity. These guys, these fear mongers that are around, they threaten scarcity, rationing. We’re running out, we’re running out. And all these views, well, you hold to that, it will come out of that will come pandemics and health problems, famine comes out of that, fear comes out of that. So like always we have a choice. Now, that’s just a little bit of a background on this philosophy of scarcity, Twila, when it comes to health freedom. We have though unfortunately been victimized by this I think scarcity control and rationing mentality of God rejecting tyrants and enemies of freedom. To the extent that in healthcare today, we are in fact seeing significant scarcities, are we not? And that’s one of the things that you’ve been talking about. Share the realities of this diminishing personnel as I’m putting it within the area of healthcare and what it means to our health freedom.
Twila Brase: A lot of people are not seeing this because most people don’t go to the doctor, but for those who do, they are seeing it. So there are doctor and nurse shortages today, but those are increasing. So 40% of physicians are near retirement age, and the covid mandates gave many doctors and nurses reasons to leave their professions. So I don’t know if you’ve seen the statistics, but about a hundred thousand nurses left their jobs during the pandemic. A lot of you might remember that doctors used to work a long time past retirement because it just gave them joy to help their patients. But the joy is mostly gone today. And statistics say that 77% of doctors are now corporate employees. They have quotas to meet. It’s like there’s a conveyor belt of patients in front of them, and then there’s the government bureaucracy, the reporting requirements, and then just the outside control over their medical decisions.
Twila Brase: So they’re disappearing from the exam room. And another statistic is that by 2036, the very same year that Medicare is expected to go bankrupt, they say that there could be up to 86,000. There could be up to 86,000 physicians, that kind of a shortage, so missing around the country. And I took that figure and I divided it by 50, 50 states, and that would be 1,720 fewer doctors in every state, that kind of a shortage. So when I look at this, I think the government should be doing everything possible to keep every doctor in the exam room to keep them happy, but they’re doing their best to eliminate them. And that’s going to impact everyone listening to this program and everybody in this country. And I compare it to Covid. So just first, one of the things that they’re doing is they keep cutting the, the Medicare payments to doctors by 1%, one and a half percent, 2.8%.
Twila Brase: They keep cutting the pay. And pretty soon doctors are going to be saying no to Medicare and there’s going to be millions. There’s already 80, 67 million people in Medicare. And so I think about it and go, just like with Covid, they weren’t making lifesaving decisions, they were imposing an agenda. And in this case, I think their agenda is socialized medicine, population control and human experimentation. And that doesn’t sound very good, but I think that’s where we’re at and that’s why we have established the wedge of health freedom because we want to call doctors and patients out of this dangerous system and into freedom and affordability and choice and everything that it should be in the exam room and at the hospital bedside.
Sam Rohrer: And we’ll talk a little bit more of that in the next segment. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because that’s part of the wise patient, proactive actions that they can take. And some of it is along that line that Twila just said, but Twila yet that is the nature of socialized medicine, the Hillary care that goes way back to all these changes with Medicaid and Medicare and all of these programs, federal government getting involved, none of which is all of these things we’ve just described is all a part of this. I’m going to call it scarcity mentality. On one part, this concept of rationing the care, somebody down the road making the determination, these are all a matter of policies coming out of government with anyone who has any understanding, knows exactly where they’re going. And that’s what you described. They are driving it into ground. They are strategies to destroy, not strategy to make. Well, now here’s my question here, follow up to this and that is this, other than you and what you’re advocating for and a small number of others, is there really anybody, maybe the congressman from North Carolina introducing a piece of legislation here and there? Is there anyone in the health industry or government or policy generally understand how serious this situation is just regarding the shortage of nurses and doctors and are doing anything about it? Because this point I don’t see much.
Twila Brase: Well, they’re not doing the right thing. So what they’re doing in the Affordable Care Act, it gave all this money to educate these nurse practitioners and other ancillary personnel really to take the place of physicians. But anybody who knows the difference between the training of a medical doctor with a medical license and a nurse practitioner, I’m a nurse, it’s just a little bit more training than I have. There’s just a huge difference. But I looked at statistics recently and I thought it was something like they used to graduate something like 20,000 or something and now there’s like 300,000. And so when you go to the doctor’s office and they don’t give you a physician, this is part of the thing that’s happening is you’re getting somebody who is not a physician. And so that’s one of the things they’re doing. They’re going to put other people in the place of a doctor, but there’s really nobody that can take the place of a doctor, not for lots and lots and lots of things that require a medical license.
Twila Brase: And they also mandating the electronic health record, which I rail against and I wrote a book against. But this is really the way that they get the non-medical, the non-physicians to do what the outsiders want them to do. Because if you’re not a physician, if you haven’t had 20,000 hours of clinical training and you’ve only had 15, a hundred, then you’ll follow whatever that protocol is in the electronic health record. And there are of course wonderful people in all of these positions, but you have to see what’s underlying this entire move to physicians for non-physicians who know less and will just follow the protocols in the
Sam Rohrer: Computer. So in reality, what you’re saying is that those with knowledge and therefore independence are being minimized, forced out, replaced with what ladies and gentlemen, those in governments say, well, they’re doing it because they’re concerned about the cost. You can pay these other who are educated less, you can pay them less. That’s true, but they also know less. And the result is it does not enhance health freedom or patient health. That’s the bottom line. So alright, all these things are interconnected, all comes back to worldview, I’m telling you, all comes back to worldview and one’s view of government come back, we’ll talk about now proactive things that good wise patients can take. Well, Twila, as we wrap up today’s program, but thinking about this, you as the president of Citizens Council for Health Freedom, I know this from talking with you on air and off of air, known each other for some time, but I know that your motivation and your fundamental desire is to truly help people and God’s kind of put you in that space of health, freedom and health, but help people to make the best choices for their health as best as possible anyway, so that they can live a life as blessed of God and fulfilled as possible.
Sam Rohrer: And that is what God desires under biblical worldview for all of us. And that’s why he’s given us his planned scripture. And those who fear God and keep his commandments, ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be blessed. And those who don’t, that’s just that. That’s God’s plan. So when I was in office, I held that view and did that as well. And that helped me determine what laws and public policies either to support or to oppose and what I determined were necessary items to warn people about as an example. And I know that that’s a lot of what undergirds where you are, and that’s a good thing. That’s why I’d love to have you on the program here. But in reality, what I just explained, I think it’s the mentality of all people who are in authority, who understands that one day we’re all going to give an account to God for what we do.
Sam Rohrer: And it’s not about us, it’s about God, it’s about other people. Serve God, serve others. I mean, that’s what it comes down to. But that being said, I’d like to conclude the program today by looking at what I’ve called proactive patients. That’s people who are listening because the challenges are great. You described many things, policies and others who have systematically worked to erode that which contributes to good health and health policy. There are some good things being done. And you shared that there are destructive policies being done and we’ve talked about that. But in the end, do you not believe that every person must make healthcare choices their primary responsibility and not to rely on others to think for them? And I know it kind of your answers yes, because we have to do that as part of our individual responsibility. But within that regard, a broad field, go wherever you want. What can God-fearing, freedom loving citizens do to proactively protect their health freedom?
Twila Brase: Well, one of the first things that they should do is to realize that their Dr. May or may not be totally in their corner. Now, I think a lot of doctors and nurses all want to do really the right thing. They went all those years of training, they’re focused on patients they really want to, but they’re being mostly corporatized. Now. They really have a divided interest. I think they have a different master and the patient might not be it. So I would encourage people, one of the things you should do is go to our website on our homepage. Near the bottom is a picture that says helpful handouts. These are some of the things that we hand out at our display tables, but one of them is called discharge instructions. And discharge instructions is because we are discharging you into the world to protect yourself in the exam room and at the hospital.
Twila Brase: These are not all the things that you could do, but they are some key things, particularly in the exam room, even including things like when they want to take your child alone and keep you out in the waiting room, but also 12 different questions or 10 different questions to ask your doctor. Do not make assumptions because they have been corporatized. And of course then, so that’s easy. You can just download that and take it with you and take a look at it. Going to the wedge of health freedom@jointhewedge.com, where you can find a doctor who is more likely to be in your corner because they don’t take any insurance money and they don’t take any government money. They may or may not have your worldview. At least they have declared themselves to be independent of the corporate and government world. I’m going to patient toolbox.org.
Twila Brase: We have that and we have specific things for at the clinic in the hospital having a baby. And then we have another organization that says they’re always sending their own people to our patient toolbox. You can also find out the credentials of the person who’s in the exam room taking care of you. And I always say, ask them what their name is and what credentials do they have. You should know that our Covid guide, we’re still getting a lot of covid is coming back up and I just got a request for where do I get Ivermectin? And you should be ready to prepare yourself against it. It’s still a cloning disease, even though it might be really mild now, for most people it still is. And then we have a Medicare handbook that is coming. It’s not out. It’ll be coming this fall. It’s getting closer.
Twila Brase: But you need to really make a wise decision about Medicare. And if you can tell, what I have been saying is that Medicare is going broke and our organization is fighting. And if Trump gets in, we will ask him again to do an executive order to just give people the right to opt out of Medicare. That will change the world in this country. If people have the rights to opt out of Medicare, there’ll be all sorts of new markets that start to emerge when people can go free, even if they don’t choose to. I mean, just imagine it, right? So you do have to protect yourself. You do have to think things through. You do have to come armed to the exam room, and you have to ask a lot more questions than you used to have to ask.
Sam Rohrer: Let me just follow up on that. Those are excellent ladies and gentlemen. You probably did not write all of those down by making sure your doctors on your side discharge policies, considering them joined the wedge. All these things are available on Twila site@cchfreedom.org. Patient Toolbox as an example, determining the credentials of the health worker that may be doing work on you making a choice about Medicare. I just wrote down six of those. You can get more information on her site. Just a quick question here. Most people, Twila do not find it comfortable. They find very uncomfortable. Say for instance, ask their doctor, how dare can I ask him his credentials? Me if he gets upset at me, he may do something to me. Or if I ask the nurse, well, are you qualified? Oh, well, you know what I mean? Those kinds of questions are difficult for most people. Speak to that a little bit.
Twila Brase: Yeah. So it is in the manner that you ask because I always do ask, and a lot of times they won’t even say their name and I’ll say, so who are you? And they’ll say, oh, Mary. And I’ll say, so are you a nurse here? Or what are you? And so then, because they don’t say that either, so it’s the tone in your voice, it’s the look in your face. You’re being friendly and just really curious about who they are. It’s not challenging their credentials. It’s not challenging their qualifications. It’s figuring out who’s in the exam room with you. Nowadays, sometimes physician assistants, the staff will call them doctors, or if there’s somebody who has a doctorate in nursing practice, they’ll call this nurse a doctor. You need to know if you have a real doctor, a medical doctor, or someone with a medical license. That’s what a doctor is, a medical license, and they’re the only ones who have it. And so you could just find friendly ways to ask that question.
Sam Rohrer: Alright, and we’re about out of time, but then the logical question, we’ll have to bring it up another program as if somebody tells you, well, they’re really, they’re not a doc. Do you say to them, well then I don’t want you to work on me or whatever. So all of these ladies and gentlemen, these are consequences, but we have to ask. And the point to walk away is that individually, we must make our decisions for ourselves. We must get information. Information is available. What we’re doing on this program and other programs is to try to provide information for those who are seeking the truth and knowledge so that you can be best prepared for making decisions on your own. In the end, nobody’s going to answer for you, you’ll answer to yourself. We’ll answer for ourselves. That’s why we do it. Twila Brase, citizens Council, health Freedom. Thank you so much for being with us against her site, CCH freedom.org. And then this program, again, an archive forum website or the app. And again, the transcript is available there. Get it. Then you can find all these other things we’ve talked about today that you weren’t be able to write down.
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