Ask Sam – Can the VP be the MVP?
August 9, 2024
Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Co-host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/9/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Isaac Crockett: Welcome to the program. I’m Isaac Crockett and my host today is the Honorable Sam Rohr, the regular host of this program and the president of the American Pastors Network. And with this being our Friday edition of Stand in the Gap today, it’s an Ask Sam, a chance to kind of catch up with Sam and review the week, kind of this week in review and ask Sam some questions. And right now I’ve had a lot of people ask me, talking to me, just a lot of chatter about the vice presidents. And of course we have a vice president who was the vice president for a former vice president, Joe Biden, who is also vice president, but Kamala Harris has now been thrown into the ring as running for president, even though she was supposed to be running as vice president. So she has her new pick for her VP.
Isaac Crockett: And then we have Donald Trump switched vice president. He had Mike Pence as the vice president and then ran with Mike Pence last time lost, and now he has a new vice president. So a lot of things about JD Vance, Tim Walz, a lot of things about both presidential candidates out there, but right now with the news of the new vice president candidates, just a lot of things going on about that. And so today we want to look at the vice president, the VP, can the VP be the most valuable player, the MVP. And so with that, Sam, before we go any further talking about the vice presidents and things, I just would like to have you give us maybe a synopsis of some of the themes that you’ve covered this week, some very important things that have gone on this week, and maybe highlight any of the news items that have come out this week that have maybe kind of helped bolster some of the things you were talking about on the Stand in the Gap today program.
Sam Rohrer: Absolutely, Isaac, it’s great to be back with you on the program here. Just a bit of a review over the week. This has been a full week as far as the guests and themes go. Monday, JR McGee joined me and for those watching listening right now, no, he’s on regularly. Military strategist understands biblical prophecy geopolitics. We talk about those things, but we went to the Middle East, the title of that program was Iran Threatens Israel Anticipates, and obviously we were talking at that juncture about the threat by Iran against Israel. We talked about the connection very clearly. It would appear possibility of Turkey joining in, which would be extraordinarily significant on Monday. When we did that program, the envoy from Russia was in Tehran meeting and bolstering the relationship between Russia and Iran. And now we know after that Iran, that Russia is providing some significant defensive systems for Iran, and a whole lot is happening there.
Sam Rohrer: The threat, and I guess the walkaway at that point was we talked about that. This week that we are in is a week that concludes next Monday night at 6:00 PM to Tuesday, 6:00 PM Sunset to sunset on the Hebrew calendar is called the Day of Calamity. It is the ninth of AV being the month of the month there, but the ninth of AV and significant to Israel. Israel has been in the middle of a three week fast beginning on July 23rd. They do it every year, but it’s all in reflection of this ninth of AV preceding the ninth of av. Now, what is the ninth of ve? Ninth of AV was the day that the 10 spies came back out of the promised land with a fearful report. That was that night. The two temples, the dates they were destroyed were on and was on the ninth of av.
Sam Rohrer: The date the Jews were kicked out of Spain during the Inquisition was the ninth of av. The day that UK kicked out the Jews during middle Ages was the ninth of av. And the night that Hitler moved against the Jews, crystal mocked, is it called November, 1938 was the ninth of ave. So that is why it’s the day observed as the day of calamity. Iran has also noticed that, and Iran has said to Israel that they would coordinate their biggest attack against Israel on the ninth of oth. Well, we’ll have to wait and see if that is true, but that’s one thing that comes out of the Monday program, Tuesday program. Dr. James Spencer, he’s the president of the DL Moody Center, was with me and we talked about politics, pews, passion and principles, navigating the 2024 elections and beyond. That was the title we gave to it.
Sam Rohrer: And we talked about a lot of different things. He’s written a book, serpents and Doves, but it was a focus on looking at the whole arrangement and involvement in the civil arena as a Christian within the context of God’s ranking of authority. And without getting into detail, that was a very, very important, I’ve heard from a lot of people across the country on that, but a way of just thinking differently about how we are engaging as citizens of the kingdom of Heaven obligations, civilly obligations to God, and encouraging a discussion on those things. Twila Brase with me on Wednesday, and again, we just talked about those things that were impacting health freedom and interestingly enough, one of those has to do with a vice president. We’re going to talk about a little bit under the Harris administration that she picked that was the governor of Minnesota and talked a little bit about his horrendous record there in Minnesota.
Sam Rohrer: Then just yesterday, Leo Homan was with me. He said, keep your eyes on ai. Talked about the artificial intelligence and how that is being promoted pushed heavily in through the United Kingdom here in the United States and things that actually Joe Biden and Secretary Blinken have said about monitoring speech and much more through the use of AI here in our nation. So we talked about what that is, how we should observe it, and some things relative to that. So I’ll just stop with that, but it was a busy week, Isaac, all headline items, but all of these things we dealt with biblically and from a biblical War V perspective.
Isaac Crockett: Well, Sam, you brought up about what’s going on between Israel and Iran and that’s still heating up. I think a lot of people maybe expected action already a Monday before the ninth of Ava, but that made sense when you explained it. But then also in the meantime, there were these markets crashing in different parts of the world. And again, you’ve informed us the globalness of the global bank. It almost seems like everything is pushing us into global banking. Any thoughts on, we just have a moment here, but any thoughts on that and what’s going on there?
Sam Rohrer: I think actually Isaac, what we’re witnessing is a convergence as we talked about all the way through. So the push towards a digital ID for health purposes, which was a push under the whole Covid push as we remember the passports they called it back then, or whether it is involved with the financial or the UK is pushing on a lot of way, but it is here as well. But that digital id, the key here is that that part of it, which will link together what’s happening with the finance and the financial markets, which there will be a reset. We know that’s coming that way, but the linkage of that with travel, with health, with finance and economics is all a part of and driven by artificial intelligence, which is required for surveillance and for the monitoring literally of all 8 billion people on the entire earth.
Isaac Crockett: Wow. So much going on every day regularly. I’m glad that you’re listening to us today. I hope you’ll listen to us every day. We’re going to take a quick time out, we’re going to come back, continue to talk about the VP, is that possibly the MVP? And we just want to start by looking at constitutionally, what are the regulations and just enact actuality, how does the vice presidential role work? We’ll be right back on staying in the gap today. Welcome back to our program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and on this Friday edition of Staying in the Gap today we’re having an Ask Sam program talking about can the VP be the MVP when it comes to impact on our country and on all sorts of things. And one of the things that I remember as far as politics goes, one of my earliest memories of politicians, some of my very earliest memories were when my family first got a television, I was still a very young child and we were watching the presidential debates, but with Ronald Reagan, and I want to say Walter Mondale maybe, but my first in-person remembrance of somebody who was an important politician was in grade school.
Isaac Crockett: I remember getting to meet an important vice president from Indiana. I grew up in Indiana in the Hoosier State, and we had an important vice president. We were proud of the media and a lot of the world maligned him, accused him of being too conservative and too moral. They didn’t like his morality, especially when he spoke out against Hollywood and some things going on in Hollywood. And he was a man whom I believe is a Christian, and I got to meet him and present him with the Bible. He flew into our town, Anderson, Indiana. I got to go up and say hi to him. Anyways, his name, it wasn’t Mike Pence, any of you who think that’s too recent. It was Vice President Dan Quail and he was maligned for saying that we should be bringing up children in a home with a father and a mother and things like that. Anyways, he seemed like a really neat guy to me, and I remember the impact that had on me as a child. But Sam, can you talk to us maybe just a brief overview of what the Constitution tells us is the role for the vice President of the United States and really maybe speak about the importance that a vice president has even just in the whole legislative process that goes on in our nation.
Sam Rohrer: Isaac, I can. It’s kind of interesting because of what is actually said publicly, I think about the position of VP and about so many things is different than what perhaps it really is. There’s a slant to it. For instance, I just went to Wikipedia. I don’t like that as a place to go, but it’s a reflection of the accepted culture of the day. But it says there that the vice president’s duties vary from administration to administration, but most modern vice presidents serve as a key presidential advisor, governing partner and representative of the president. And it goes on. They say the vice president also presides over the Senate and breaks ties and Senate votes. Right now that would be what would be more the straight out type definition. But in reality, I’m going to say just some of that is true. But I’m going to go a bit further on that.
Sam Rohrer: In reality, constitutionally the position or the office of vice President Isaac is the second highest position in the executive branch. So that makes it different, makes it more important than what I just read from Wikipedia. It is constitutionally the second highest position in the entire executive branch, number one. Number two, it is the first in the constitutional line of succession. So if the president ceases to be president for one reason or another, the first person to automatically fill that is the position of the vice president. If the vice president can’t do it, then it goes to the speaker of the house and then there’s a succession plan. But constitutionally, it’s the one that’s the second highest and executive branch, it’s the first in line of constitutional succession within the legislative branch. The vice president is nearly, I’m going to say is nearly insignificant. His value is really in those other two things.
Sam Rohrer: To me, the vice president is incredibly important, but it’s more like the value of having a will or an insurance policy. You have it, but you don’t plan on using it. That’s kind of like the VP, as I would put it. Most presidents, even though Wikipedia said that they are a governing partner in most cases, most presidents, I think, political as politicians, they generally are insecure. Most politicians are insecure, frankly, and they’re very, very concerned about somebody else getting the credit. So the result of that is that presidents don’t generally use their vice presidents very effectively and they generally relegate them to behind the scenes types things, generally speaking. And so in that capacity, they preside over the Senate, they don’t do anything. They don’t vote. The only time they vote is if there happens to be a tie and then they would cast a deciding vote.
Sam Rohrer: But you have to have that position. So unlike somewhere, I think we’re talking this week, even JD Vance kind of played down earlier in the week, the role of the vice president, I didn’t think that was, I personally would not have encouraged him to do that. I know he was trying to do, but it tended to minimize the role of VP. Well, in reality, that is a very critical role because it’s like I say, the insurance policy, if something happens to the president, that person will fill it. They need to be as qualified as the president or capable of filling in that spot if in fact something happened. So that’s a lengthy answer, but there was more there than what I just could say in a couple sentences.
Isaac Crockett: Well, that’s interesting because I just saw on formerly Twitter yesterday, it’ll be Thursday of this week, businessman, billionaire and TV personality, mark Cuban. He said this about the vice president. He said, I think there’s a lot of confusion on the role of the VP in 2024. And then he goes on to talk about pre-election, what’s going on, which is one thing he says pre-election, the job is to campaign period, end of story. And he basically went on to say that it doesn’t matter what the vice president thinks about policy, they’re basically the president’s biggest cheerleader and campaigning and helping solidify some votes, whatever, from certain states and battleground areas. And looking at it that way, it’s interesting that right now we have two VPs who are from the Midwest, JD Vance from Ohio, and he seems to really reach out to allow the grassroots Americans.
Isaac Crockett: And then we have the Minnesota governor, Tom Walz, who from the outlook to some, they say, oh, he just looks like a grandfatherly type. But many would point to his very progressive things. And you’ve talked about that even in healthcare recently this week. But I want to look at historically the vice presidential role all the way back to John Adams and different ones. And John Adams was interestingly enough, kind of downplayed the role of VP too, even though he was the first vice president and then he became the next president. And so 15 times in our history so far, a vice president has become president either through election like George W. Bush or where something happens to the president and the vice president now becomes the president. Now, during right now is a very interesting time. Joe Biden, who had been vice president for Barack Obama is now, he ran the primary and was picked as the primary candidate, but he’s stepping down, so his party’s putting his vice president up. So that’s interesting too. That’s not so much constitutional as much as just influential how that works. But I’d just love to get your thoughts just historically how the vice presidents have shaped us. And then I want to next segment, get into the last three vice presidents and talk through some details.
Sam Rohrer: Okay. Absolutely. Yeah. As you said, there were 15, since 1789 to the president, there have been 50 vice presidents, 15 of those have gone on to become president. The assumption is, is that if you are vice president and serve as vice president, that you are pretty much guaranteed when the time comes that you will be president. But in reality, that’s not the case. That’s not the way it is. And historically, when you go back and you look at some of what the pundits say, being a VP in an administration almost always has assured that that person, if they want to run for president, will get their party’s nomination. But not many of those who actually run when in most cases it’s because the president often most cases will serve eight years, not always, but when they’re done, the people generally say it’s time for a change.
Sam Rohrer: And with that goes to the VP. So if he’s running, he’s still kind of under the umbrella of the guy, the president, and he’s colored either good or bad with that scenario. And so it often does not win. So in reality, the vice president position, if you’re looking to move up the ladder politically, has not historically been a real good place to go. In most cases, those who go there other than 15 over all of these long period of time since 1789 have ever made it to president. And a number of them, when they did win, they had to sit out a term and then come back on their own, but they did not naturally just a seed to the presidency because of the fact that they were vice president.
Isaac Crockett: Well, that’s very interesting and we do have such a long history of presidents, but so many times we kind of forget about the vice president, and I want to look at some of that because what you’re talking about, I think of Al Gore. A lot of people thought Al Gore would be a S shoe, and because Clinton was so popular and Al Gore did rise to a high position in all of his environmentalism and all that that he does now, I don’t know that he would’ve been able to do had it not been for being a vice president. Dick Cheney, he never really moved on. Even Joe Biden wasn’t even considered in the next round hardly at all. It didn’t seem like it went to Hillary after Barack Obama, but then it was later that they came back to him. And I want to talk about that even maybe why some of of the thoughts behind Barack Obama choosing Joe Biden.
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Isaac Crockett: Well, today we’re talking about vice presidents asking CM, can the VP become the MVP? And we’re in an interesting time right now, Sam, where Joe Biden was the vice president for Barack Obama, and there were a lot of different people that kind of had hypotheses as to why Barack Obama picked this more elder statesman. Even back then he was considered, and Barack was seen as having some progressive ideas, and so he’s picking Uncle Joe who could relate to the union workers and such. But now we’ve seen Joe Biden become so progressive and then this very interesting thing where he gets elected in the democratic primaries to be the candidate for president, but then the switcheroo with his vice president ends up, and that was, I mean, there were a lot of people, and there are still some people wondering if she will still remain the vice president candidate through their convention, but I think most people would say they’ve rallied around her.
Isaac Crockett: So a lot of interesting vice president things going on there. But I want to get into that. But first I want to go back to Mike Pence because you were talking earlier about how oftentimes strategically or maybe politically a president might pick somebody who they find is not intimidating and just kind of put them there to be a cheerleader more or less, but not really listen to them. But when Donald Trump came into politics being elected president before ever serving in any other form of office, he picked Mike Pence kind of out of the blue it seemed to some people. I’d like to get your input on what you think how important of a role Mike Pence played in the Trump White House,
Sam Rohrer: Isaac. I think in most cases, the selection of a vice president has a lot of considerations that go into it. And I’ll answer your question here just in a minute, but oftentimes vice Presidential candidates are chosen for one of two reasons. One, they are chosen to augment or to fill a position that the presidential candidate may have be short or deficient. So in a case, for instance, right now, say like for instance, Trump and jd, well, the age of the president, because the Biden circumstance and Trump being up there, age was becoming a factor. So you’re not going to pick somebody who is Mitch McConnell as an example, regardless of what his voting position, you’re going to pick somebody that age. You’re going to go somebody younger because that’s a part of the image that it creates. So you offset the age factor with somebody younger.
Sam Rohrer: So that is one. The other then would be to select someone who is not going to be a complete opposite to the president or to that presidential person on matters of policy. They can differ, but they’re not going to be totally opposite. But you generally get them to broaden the base of political appeal a little bit so that they’re not identical in all issues, but they’re identical on the key issues, but they’re also into another area that you can expand the base that would come. Now in the case of Harris, the choice of Tim Waltz, the governor is extraordinary because he’s actually further almost to the left than her. So instead of, for instance, choosing what a lot of people thought, and I actually kind of thought would go this way, would be the governor here of Pennsylvania, younger a bit more, although not necessarily more moderate, not as progressive as perhaps she was, thought that would be probably a good place to go.
Sam Rohrer: Most people did, but she didn’t. She doubled down and actually went further to the left. So now you’ve got two people that are in every regard hardcore right smack on the far left side of that ideological positioning. So you either do it to augment a point or you do it to fill a hole that may be there. And in some cases, now back to your question about Donald Trump and Pence, what happened was that you are correct. Donald Trump had not been in office before. He was appealing to the broad base of Evangelicals, and at the beginning of that crowded race when he ran, you remember there were a lot of people in that race and Donald Trump was not the most conservative. Matter of fact, he had a difficulty trying to convince people that in fact he was, that’s when Cruz was in there and others, they already had that perspective.
Sam Rohrer: So what did Donald Trump at that point need? Well, he needed somebody who was older, the white hair, the governor, the well-respected and a voice for life and a voice for evangelicals, which Pence was. So he became a sanctioning tool extension of, and actually by him being on the ticket, he helped to shore up the base that Donald Trump did not have at that point where a lot of people said, I don’t know where he’s coming from. Pence was the pick, because he actually kind of put his rubber stamp of moral sanction on him. So there are a lot of point being, there are a lot of things that go into the selection of a candidate of a running mate.
Isaac Crockett: What about our current situation? We have Barack Obama’s vice president, Joe Biden, who is president right now and now Kamala Harris, who has by default become the presidential nominee we’re about to become, I should say, for the Democrats it would appear. Do you think that either of them would be looking at a presidential race like this or in Biden’s case being elected president had it not been for their positioning as vice president?
Sam Rohrer: In the case of Joe Biden, no, I don’t think so at all. He was not the strong link. He was a weaker link even though he had been around Barack Obama was the stronger link. But within that system, I think as we’ve seen that democratic party occur and what they have just done, they’ve effectuated a coup no matter what you call it, against Joe Biden. He was the elected guy, regardless, he was the nominated guy. To have somebody come in under this scenario is not only highly abnormal, it would be questionable whether or not, I mean unfortunately, I mean it’s not a matter of law because it’s a party selection, but it really is a coup how Kamala Harris ended up taking his spot, getting all of his money and getting all of his delegates. You say what in the world? He is a part of a process within a controlled closed system.
Sam Rohrer: Isaiah, I think without any doubt run by a handful of people, which includes the Obamas and the Clintons of which the Biden was a part. And he has been a puppet. We know for a long time he has not been making his decisions. It’s obvious, but he became a great individual because of his background and all of that. They could kind of position him, and I think that’s how he got to where he is. But again, a lot of considerations from a lot of different perspectives. And in politics, there are no coincidences at all. There just isn’t.
Isaac Crockett: Well, so much information here and so much really just food for thought of the vice presidential role. And like you said earlier, constitutionally it is the second highest position, one heartbeat away from the president as we’re seeing so obvious right now with the current situation. Well, when we come back, we want to close out looking at prayer, praying for the vice president, but also looking at praying for Jerusalem for the peace in Jerusalem and looking at the upcoming prayer breakfast in New York City, Jerusalem prayer breakfast coming up. So a lot to be praying for. We’re going to talk about it when we return on standing the gap today. Well, again, this is Pastor Isaac Crockett with the Honorable Sam Rohr, and as we’re wrapping things up in our final segment, that’s exactly what I want to do. I just want to go to you, Sam, for final wrap up.
Isaac Crockett: Anything else you want to say about vice presidents? Maybe the importance of looking at the two current candidates from the major parties for vice president and what that might speak to for the presidential candidate, and then just encouraging us to pray for all the candidates, but especially thinking of the vice presidents, both vice President Kamala Harris, as well as the people who are running for vice president, just the importance of praying for them, praying for that office. And then we want to follow up with that and go into some more talk about some prayer and a prayer breakfast that’s coming up.
Sam Rohrer: Well, Isaac, one thing we did not talk about, we talked really about the process, the political process, the human thinking of how selections are made, and that is one part of it. And like we shared, you can go back and you can pull up some historical facts. 15, only 15 of vice presidents all the way back in the 1790s to now have gone on to be president. You can put together statistics, you can say how many presidents died and how many vice presidents then moved up as a part of the process. That’s an example. You and I on a program weeks ago, were talking about the number of elections happening all over the world and that the first number that had come out was that 49% of the world’s populations were going to be going through a process of voting reflective of their country’s process this year.
Sam Rohrer: And we talked about how countries like Russia and China were not involved, but you throw in China with over a billion people, you now take that 49% and you go way up. And their elections were just at the end of last year. So this year in which we are living 2024 is historic beyond anything, anything that never has happened like this where this percentage of the world’s populations are actually going to be going through their process, reflective of their countries and casting a vote. That’s the human process, and it varies country to country. But here’s the other part, Isaac, and I think whether it’s a vice president or a president or whatever, at the end of the day, we know that God himself says that he raises up nations, not just leaders, and he puts down nations, but he also raises up leaders. Ne ezr recognized this in Daniel and he puts them down.
Sam Rohrer: So there’s an element of human involvement and human strategy, but from a believer’s perspective, Isaac, the concept of nations and the concept of leaders, as God established in Romans 13, he has his pattern. He has his template. If we do and they do what he says to do, he’ll bless those nations. If he doesn’t, then certain things will happen. But one thing that we as God’s people can be sure, we need to consider every opportunity that there is to vote. We need to consider that carefully, consider the candidate very carefully according to God’s standards, and we need to then be a part of that as we can. But rest assured that once all of those things are done, God does raise up the Barack Obama. He does raise up the Joe Biden, and whether you can explain it humanly, he didn’t actually deserve it or whatever, it didn’t make any difference.
Sam Rohrer: There’s always a human explanation, but God raises them up because what is taking place, and this I think is how we should back up and just look at all these things, as God said in Paul said in Acts 17, God established the nations from before the beginning and actually establish their boundaries through which to work and bring forward God’s plan of redemption. And the purpose was that in this process, that people would see the God of heaven and see his plan. And that takes us right now up to this whole matter of what’s happening in Israel under God’s plan. God stepped away from Israel for these last 2000 years when the emphasis was on him building his church, Christ building the church. But he said he would bring them back into the land, which he did in 1948, and he would pick up his covenant promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the focus of the world would come back to Jerusalem.
Sam Rohrer: And then z Zacharia says that the world wouldn’t know what to do with Jerusalem. It’d be a stumbling block. It would be a heavy, burdensome stone. They wouldn’t know what to do. Exactly what we’re seeing today, the world end up hating Israel. They will persecute the Jews as they have done and they are doing, and they will persecute Christians and they will be opposed to Jesus Christ, anti-Christ. We have an anti-Christ government coming and it will of apart persecute the Jews, God’s people because they’re part of God’s plan. And the Christians who will be alive and trust Christ because they will be supportive of what God’s plan is, not the antichrist, the Satanic plan. All we’re watching, Isaac is all leading towards this, and that is how as believers we can be confident. So as we watch unfold what is unfolding, we with wisdom, participate in the process as best that we can, but understand that God is working his plan out and his second coming as soon at hand, he said it and so forth. That’s how we look at it. But within that context, Isaac is why we also need to pray for Jerusalem and Israel and the Jewish people.
Isaac Crockett: And having said that, we’re almost done with this program, and I’d like to give time if there is for you to pray, but could you maybe just speak to that importance with what you talked about at the very beginning of this program, from what you talked about on Monday of this week, the ninth of AAV coming up, what’s that? This 12th of August, Monday and the threat that has been historically and the current threats from Iran and so many of their friends and proxies, anything you want to say about that? And then if there’s time to go ahead and pray for Jerusalem, I know that we have your friend Michelle Bachman has the New York City Jerusalem prayer breakfast coming up this fall. Just a lot of important stuff. Feel free to share anything you want with us before we close.
Sam Rohrer: Okay? Try to do that very, very quickly. Yes, this period of time that we’re in this week will be an eventful time. I think something is likely going to happen in Israel biblically and prophetically. We talk about it a lot. There’s a Psalm 83 war with the collar nations around Israel. The defense forces will win that war. The Bible lays that out, I think very, very clear in 83. Ultimately there is a war where Russia gets heavily involved with Turkey and Iran. That’s an Ezekiel 38, 39 war. That’s a war that we know is coming. Israel is the focus of both of them. Then at the end of tribulation period is a battle of Armageddon. And that is one where the nations of the world that remain will come down against Israel. God intervenes and wipes them all out that we know these are things that are going to happen.
Sam Rohrer: They all spell troublesome times for Israel, for the Jewish people and for the nation of Israel. But God is working his plan in and through that. But in that regard, we are to pray always for the peace of Jerusalem, primarily that they don’t have peace, but that the Jewish people come to understand who the Prince of peace is at this juncture. They have formally rejected Christ, which they did as his first coming. Many have come to Christ, but the nation as a whole have rejected him. One day they will formally adopt and come and back and say blessed as he who comes in the name of the Lord. That is the second coming. Jesus will come at that point that we know is how it will end. We should pray for that. And in the midst of this, that Jewish people, when they’re under the gun, particularly now, they look to and consider the Messiah.
Sam Rohrer: Yes. And then come to him in faith. The Jerusalem Prayer breakfast is an effort that’s being put together based started in Jerusalem years ago, but it’s going to be in New York November, September 15th and 16th. And it’s only by invitation. You have to go online to check it out. But it’s Jpb Jerusalem prayer record, JP BNY New York jpb ny.org. And anybody listening who would want to perhaps consider going to that? You can. But that’s where you access the information. Heavenly Father, we pray for Israel, pray for the Jewish people. We pray for your will to be done above all things. Lord, may we be a part of doing what you want, not asking you to do what we want. We pray in Jesus’ name, amen.
Isaac Crockett: Amen. Amen. Thank you for that. Sam, thank you so much for listening and on the part of everybody here at Stand in the Gap Media, from all the people behind the scenes and from our producer, Tim and Co-host, Sam, and myself, Isaac, thank you very much. Please continue to pray for us, pray for Jerusalem, and until next time, stand in the gap for truth. Wherever you are.
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