Living in a Trans World
August 12, 2024
Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Co-host: Dr. Renton Rathbun
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/12/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.
Sam Rohrer: Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And I trust that you all had a restful weekend, even as domestic and global events continue to present startling news at a breathtaking pace. Now, as I shared a week ago on this program, the eyes of the world are on the Middle East as just an example of things that are happening and wondering if Iran will unleash its repeated threat for a major attack on Israel and whether it will coincide with the historic ninth of AAV day of calamity observance in Israel, which begins tonight, that sunset their time and it goes through sunset tomorrow evening, August 13th. Now one thing that we do know is that our God who created this world also raises up and takes down the nations of this world and the leaders of these nations. And we know that those Satan temporarily declared victory when Adam and Eve rebelled against God and sin came into this world about 6,000 years ago.
Sam Rohrer: God’s announcement of his plan of redemption through a coming Messiah in a soon coming king of all kings has been right on time. And the events are going to come to pass. Though the things we see around us may make us think that it’s not possible. So with all that’s happening, let me start with an encouragement to all who know the Lord. I trust that you are listening to me, that you do and you can give testimony to that. But if we know the Lord is our savior, we know that we’re in the most incredible days in the history of mankind with the return of Christ as the bride groom for his bride, us. The church is literally at the door. But until that time we hear the Trump of God. And I’m listening, I hope that you are because we should be, be aware and respond biblically to the things that are happening around us so that we can be found faithful and have the Lord say to us, well done.
Sam Rohrer: I hope that’s what you’re hoping to hear as children of God because he’s placed us here to be salt and light to a rebellious world. So with that brief introduction, let’s move into the program for today. Now recurring guest, Dr. Renton Rathbun, director of Biblical worldview at Bob Jones University and regular speaker for Biblical worldview instruction for BJU Press, who is the largest producer of biblical worldview K to 12 curriculum. He’s with me again today and we’re going to go this direction. You know what the Olympics now just concluded officially last night. We all remember, do we not how it began a dramatic presentation to the world of a glorification of a bold new trans world. Remember a world of drag, of sexually immoral as defined by the Bible and the most civil law. There was a recoiling at that event that opened the Olympics, but the fact that it did open the Olympics watched by the entire world is a demonstration that this view of human sexuality is no longer in the closet but positioned by the God rejecting leaders of the world as something worthy of gold and silver or bronze consideration. And that raises the question, that’s the focus of today’s program. How do we then live in a trans world? And the title I’ve given for today’s program is this, living in a Trans World. And with that, Dr. Renton Rathbun, thank you for being back with me.
Renton Rathbun: Oh, thanks for having me. I’m excited to be with you today.
Sam Rohrer: Well, Renton, you’ve been busy traveling all around and I tell you this is one topic that we’ve had some discussion about, but this bold new trans world, I’d like you to do this just to get us on the same page here. Could you define what I would say would be the more commonly used terms associated with the trans world phenomenon? Because when we talk about trans, we’re going even beyond gay as an example, for instance, that not long ago seemed to be the furthest expression of sexual rebellion society could imagine, but we’re way beyond that now, aren’t we?
Renton Rathbun: Yes, we are. And I think the best way to start is defining those terms, not maybe necessarily as we define them, but let’s look at how the American Psychological Association is defining these terms. So they define sex as a person’s biological status, typically categorized as male female, and then they add or intersex, and this is the intersex idea is way outside of the APAs purview, but they added that. But really we know there’s only two sexes. The A PA then defines gender as the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a person’s biological sex. And so what they’re saying there is that the culture associates these attitudes, feelings, behaviors to a particular sex. So men are supposed to be masculine, women are supposed to be feminine, and there’s certain ways that we as a culture has associated to that. So what they’re doing is putting culture as the one that dictates these things.
Renton Rathbun: So as culture changes, so does our definition of gender is what they’re getting at there. So then they define gender identity as a person’s deeply felt inherent sense of being a boy, a man, male girl, woman or female or alternative gender that they talk in, genderqueer, gender nonconforming of boy, girl, lady, boy. And then they say, which may or may not correspond to a person’s sex assigned at birth or to a person’s primary secondary sex characteristics because what they get at here is you can’t see gender. So the person gets to decide based on their deeply felt inherent sense of feeling this way is what they’re getting at with that definition.
Sam Rohrer: Well, it’s certainly sounds that I would say rather fluid, which again is what this whole group talks about a fluid circumstance according as I look at it, the woke western cultural gatekeepers, media, entertainment and all that for them, a trans world they tried to present as normal. And all of those who are uncomfortable with their definition as you’ve just read, are weird. They say and they are the problem. But in reality, I’d like you to do it just very briefly here, what is the problem facing our culture and the church of today presented by this full court press to make all people embrace this trans world in these definitions that you just espoused?
Renton Rathbun: Part of despising the creator is despising, the creator’s ordained design of that creation. So even before Sodom and Gomorrah, we were facing this kind of sin in the world. So the world we live in today isn’t necessarily new except for the problem I believe that is relatively new, is that the church herself thought it could accept some of the ideology of feminism and did not think it would then lead to an acceptance of lgbtq plus ideology. Now, we’ll talk more about this later in the show, but what I think the church has discovered, and I believe many denominations have discovered it way too late, is that you cannot despise the roles of God has ordained in marriage and then expect the generations to view gender not to be absolutely mutilated after that.
Sam Rohrer: There you go ladies and gentlemen. Our theme today living in a trans world, my guest is Dr. Renton Rathbun director of Biblical worldview, the center of biblical Bob Jones University. And so we’re going to get into the next couple segments beginning to talk about the cause, the terms and the problem. Now we’ll get into the cause and that does involve the church and some things that the church has not done. Alright, Renton, let’s move now from what we were talking about in the last segment to getting into some of the cause here because we got a real circumstance, unlike I’m going to say for our children born in the last decade or so, those of us who are older, what we’re witnessing today, a trans world as the name we’re putting on it just decades ago, it was unimaginable, it was unthinkable. And frankly under the law, anything that we’re talking about now that’s being put forth out there is normal. It was a crime and it’s still a under most laws, which was an amazing thing. But as an American, and I’m going to say yes, western culture, which has seemed to have embraced this far more aggressively than eastern culture as an example, turns the question, how did we get here and get here so quickly when even our laws on the book still disallow in most cases such practices?
Renton Rathbun: In the last segment, I made a statement that I should at least should sound pretty radical. I said that accepting even parts of the feminist ideals has led to where we are today with this gender identity problem. Now I said that because I really believe that, and even if I can point out, the liberals have even figured this out in their book, understanding gender identities, Paul Rhodes, Eddie and James k Bill B say this. Now listen carefully what they say now they’re talking about gender dysphoria. Now gender dysphoria is that experience people have when they have like our definition said, a deeply felt inherent sense of being something other than what their sex demands of them. And so that’s what gender dysphoria is that deeply felt inherent sense of feeling against your own sex. And so they say this, this is what the liberals are saying.
Renton Rathbun: The more one sees gender roles and their expression as divinely ordained, the more one is likely to see gender dysphoria as an unhealthy symptom of the fall and the less likely one is to allow for or encourage any sort of transitioning. So they are tying this idea of gender dysphoria back to whether or not whether we approve or whatever you think of gender dysphoria is going to depend fully on whether you think the gender roles that God has ordained are truly divinely ordained. Now, God didn’t only ordained roles arbitrarily, but he ordained them and then made our bodies in a certain way to carry them out. So if our bodies are designed to carry them out, there’s a reason why God made men with more muscle mass because there is a expectation of them for them to provide, protect and have headship. And sometimes that requires not merely mental strength but also physical strength.
Renton Rathbun: Women who become wives, they’re to bring forth progeny and nourish progeny and their bodies are actually designed to do those very things. Now when we accept feminism, even the smallest amounts of feminism who has told us the lie that your true value is based on the role you play, not the essence being an image bearer of God, that’s your essence. You’re an image bearer. They said that’s not where your value is. Your value is in the role you play and if the man has a better role, he’s higher than you. So you need to have equal roles, whatever that means. So obviously what we have as we start accepting that we come to this conclusion that if the roles become arbitrary, then isn’t it true that our body parts start to become arbitrary? And that’s how this has led from this role despising to our bodies being despised and wanting them to change.
Sam Rohrer: It’s interesting, Renton, the last time that you and I were together, we talked about pragmatism and the collapse of truth. That was a great program by the way, ladies gen, if you did not get that, go back and listen to that. You can go to our website and find it because it ties into what you’re describing because in a pragmatic way of thought, the secular definitions and what you just described the world looks is a very pragmatic approach. It just happens not to be based on truth. We as believers know. But you were saying even what they are saying, they are looking those who are supporting the trans movement and this fluid definition of who and what in the role. All these things you’re talking about, they’re looking for a divine sanction, they’re looking for some kind of a moral underpinning to support it. It’s just interesting that those who I found over time, even in the political realm will be atheist or reject anything that would be biblical are still trying to obtain some kind of a moral basis of support to justify what they’re doing.
Sam Rohrer: But that brings us to the church because now we’re in this circumstance, the institution of the church and civil society, the church was once frankly it is from a biblical perspective to be the purveyor and the defender of cultural, moral god’s moral standards, which then carries over into the culture, civil standards in our country. It has been the basis for the definition of family and marriage and human sexuality and it’s been the basis of law and justice to protect those values and constructs. So that brings us to the church. How did the church become, let’s put it this way, either the world became so fantastically powerful or the church became impotent and a contributing enabler allowing for the acceptance of transsexualism as we see today. How did that happen?
Renton Rathbun: It starts with a tiny, tiny hole in the wall that everyone ignores, right? That’s how Satan gets his foot in the door. He chips away at one little part that everyone thinks is going to be fine because it’s just a small chip in the wall. And that small chip in the wall was this idea that everything God has commanded about how marriage should be and how the man should be head of over his wife and how the wife is to submit and all of those things, as scripture says, even down to women having authority in the church and what God says about that in one Timothy, all of that began to be diminished. That was a little chip in the wall. The chip turned into a hole as we started to accept the idea that maybe these ideas from scripture are a little outdated. And then finally this got to the point where people were saying, well, Paul had a very old fashioned view of things.
Renton Rathbun: We need to listen to what the Bible’s really saying and not listen to what Paul is saying. And then there just became this dichotomy between what God wants to say through the Bible and what Paul the male chauvinist was saying. And so then that’s where we get the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church USA and the Evangelical Lutheran Church all almost completely embracing the trans movement, believing the Bible is a little outdated, but they go back to Galatians 3 28 that says there’s no male or female, no Greek, no Jew, they’re all the same before God. And try and use that as a way through really bad acts of Jesus as a way to say, see, God doesn’t see gender and so gender doesn’t matter. And then the question comes, what about us conservatives we have we not held the line? Have we not defended God’s word? Have we softened it? Have we worried about how it sounds when it sounds really bad against the culture of today? And my challenge to even us conservatives is I think we have perhaps softened it. I think we are concerned about how it sounds in a world like today. And I think that we’re even at sometimes contributing to the problem.
Sam Rohrer: And I would agree with you. I mean for believers who have been in politics, which I was for a time or those in the pulpit or average citizens wherever they may be, the pressure has been incremental. It’s been very powerful though undergirding what you’re saying. But let me come back and have you get this in here in this segment and that is this, since there has been a movement away from a clear reciting of scripture and the church has become and moved incrementally away from thus sayeth the word of God as an example, what parts of scripture have the church failed to communicate or perhaps I’m going to say failed to communicate because they were ashamed because of them. That has led us to this point of, well, it’s literal chaos. What it is.
Renton Rathbun: The main one, the classic one that most churches get really ashamed of is Ephesians chapter 5 22 through 24 where it talks about submission where the wife is to submit to the husband. And what they’ll do is they’ll take a verse right before that where it says submit one to another and they’ll say, see, the man’s supposed to submit to the woman the woman’s supposed to submit to the man in marriage. What it’s saying is it’s doing what Paul does most of the time, which is say, let me give you a preview about what we’re about to talk about. We’re going to talk about how we submit to each other. And then he goes into the details. Husbands, you’re going to submit to Christ wives, you’re submitting to your husbands and children submit to your parents. He goes through the whole gamut and we get so ashamed of that.
Renton Rathbun: We’re so afraid of it that we try to couch, okay, well submission actually means this and then it means that and headship. Well that’s kind of patriarchy. So we got to get away from that and we become ashamed of Ephesians five. We become ashamed of first Peter three, one Colossians three 18 through 19 where it commands this headship of the husband over the wife, the way Christ is over the church. And we get ashamed of it. One Timothy two, nine through 15 and one Corinthians 1434 tells us women are not to have authority over men in the church. We’re ashamed of that. And even the reason that’s given, we’re ashamed of it. That man was made first, then the woman, the woman was fooled and not the man. And we’re so ashamed of these things because of what culture has taught us to be ashamed of that we couch these things in so many different ways that we end up saying, well this isn’t really what is being said here. We hate the literal interpretation of God’s word. The literal interpretation of God’s word gives us something that the world
Sam Rohrer: Hates. And ladies and gentlemen, we talk so much here on this program, the authority of God’s word, it either is God’s word or it is not. It is we can’t change it. We do not have the right to alter or redefine what it says. But yet in this area it seems we have, we come back, we’re going to talk about not just the problem but the root problem here. Well, we’re midpoint in our program today. The theme is this very current, an approach to dealing with it. You probably have not heard and certainly not the way it’s being done today. Our theme is this, living in a trans world, and my guest is Dr. Renton Rathbun been with me a number of times on some really, really key issues. One we dealt with last month on pragmatism. If you didn’t catch that program, mentioned it earlier, you really do need to listen to that.
Sam Rohrer: I encourage you to. And then when you go to our website or off of our app, you can pick up the transcript as well as what you can pick up off of any of our programs, including the one here today. The transcripts are available right offline, it’s very easily. And then you can take a read through as you listen to the program. Again, we always have more information than I know it’s physically possible to take and write down, but Dr. Rathbun has a website@worldview.bj.edu, worldview.bj, which has a lot more information, whatever he puts on that site you can find there. So I’d encourage you to visit that. Now, as I said in the last segment, we talked about the problem, this trans problem, how we got to this point and talking about the church and how the culture has moved. But there is a problem, but there’s often more than that and I try to think of an illustration and perhaps let me do it this way.
Sam Rohrer: We’re all people, right? We all get sick and at times we need to go to a doctor so we know that we know what that’s like. It happens, but as people get physically sick and then come into need of a care of a doctor, so do societies and nations become sick, sick patients and sick nations present. Similar though different symptoms. For instance, doctors, if you go in, the doctor will first seek, or at least it should seek to diagnose the cause by identifying the symptoms, asking you questions, how you feel, all those kinds of things. In essence, they have to determine first the problem before any prognosis or solution can be presented and a wrong diagnosis by inaccurately identifying the problem will lead to a wrong treatment and potential death for the patient. So you don’t want to go that you got to get it right.
Sam Rohrer: Even then the sickness may be so advanced so as to preclude any successful treatment. And we know that that can be true. However, the same I’m going to say is true for societies and cultures and entire nations when it comes to America in the entire west, a trans world mentality has been presented, been glorified, and placed as normal before the entire globe. It’s been in process of happening for some time. But what happened at the Olympics was clearly we sought glorified beyond measure. Yet there are clear problems that are presented by a trans or gay mentality, which of necessity, if fully embraced, will absolutely destroy human civilization if for no other reason than the simple inability to propagate. It can’t happen. But societies like individuals, the surface identification of problems while necessary is only one level of diagnosis. Sicknesses be they physical or societal, always have a root problem.
Sam Rohrer: And if you don’t identify that root problem accurately, the diagnosis of the greater problem, but not the root can still lead to death even though the symptoms might be what you’d say manageable. And oftentimes that’s what modern medicine does, but that’s not good medicine. So rent, and again, we take this idea and come back into the religious settings. There are some within the setting who attempt to diagnose the trans world phenomenon as we’re talking, but in a way that as I’ve looked at some things, it’s frankly quite tortured by suggesting that desiring to be a different gender that doesn’t match your birth sex may in fact not be wrong or in a biblical sense sin. Now these are coming from some religious leaders. Would you share this approach? What is actually being said out there that would say that’s not a sin or wrong and it’s coming from religious leaders?
Renton Rathbun: When you look at Wheaton College fairly recently, there was an article by a Bob Jones graduate on Fox News that actually excoriated Wheaton College for Leaning Liberal after how it started. And the president Philip Reichen actually wrote another article saying how much this guy lied and how they’re so conservative and orthodox and how dare he say these things. Well, at Wheaton College, the chair of the psychology department is named Mark Ya House and Mark Ya House leads this institute that is housed at Wheaton College and this institute is called the Sexual and Gender Identity Institute. Sounds like an institute that a very orthodox conservative school would have on it. Sorry I’m being sarcastic, but Mark your house puts it this way. He says that gender dysphoria is not a sin because it’s not willful and no one chose it. So he says this, it is not volitional.
Renton Rathbun: A person can choose whether to engage in cross-gender behavior. The experience of true gender dysphoria however is not chosen, nor is it a sign of willful disobedience, personal sin or the sin of the parents as such. What’s sad here is we have Protestant people in the theological world telling everyone to go back to Catholicism where a sin was a sin only when it was a willful sin when you willed it to happen. Denny Burke is very helpful with this. He is a professor at Boice College. He talks about the 10th commandment, you shall not covet. And he says this, the 10th commandment prohibit, prohibits not merely intentional desire for adultery, but all desire for adultery without respect of volition or involuntary nature of the desire. In other words, whether you will it or not, if you’re desiring that which is forbidden, it is a sin. No one’s going to be able to walk come before God and say, well, it wasn’t a sin God because I didn’t want to feel that way. I just felt that way. If you desire that which is forbidden, it is a sin. And even brings up the fact that in the mosaic law it required people to give sacrifices for unintentional sin, which meant it was still a sin.
Renton Rathbun: He even says this, Denny Burke says this, the sinfulness of a desire is determined solely by its conformity or lack of conformity to the law of God, right? Not to whether or not I felt this and I had control of it or whether I chose it or not. If you have a sin or if you have a desire that is forbidden by God, then it’s a sin.
Sam Rohrer: It sounds very much like the Sermon on the Mount. God’s standard is not whether or not we acted out necessarily. Although if we act out and violate one of God’s commands, then generally civil society has laws in place to deal with every or other things. But if we in our heart desire that which is wrong, we’ve committed sin, which is support of what you’d saying Denny’s talking about. So let’s go a little bit further here then, and that is this, what is the root problem then of transgenderism or put another way, the real sin at the heart of transgenderism the root. Let’s go to the root now on that and we’re getting close to it, but build that out further.
Renton Rathbun: Absolutely. Yeah. So Rosaria Butterfield is the author of a book entitled Five Lies of Our anti-Christian Age. And if you can ever get your hands on that, it’s a great book that helps you really see the depth and breadth of all that’s going on right now with this gender dysphoria stuff and all the other things. But she comes down to this, she says the real problem at the root, if we want to put our finger on the sin that’s really happening with this gender identity issue, it comes down to envy. And she defines envy as envy is a false entitlement that says you may possess that which justly belongs to another and fuels the blind arrogance to pursue it. And so what she’s getting at and she looks at Proverbs 27, 3 through four, Proverbs 1430, Romans 1 29, 1 Corinthians three 14 and so forth of all that scripture says that the root of our envy is this desire for that which is forbidden. And that’s what Rosaria Butterfield is getting at. When we desire that which actually belongs to someone else, even if it is behaviors and feelings and things like that, even things that we don’t even feel we’re choosing because very few people say, I desire to be envious today, very few people choose envy, they find themselves in envy, and when they find themselves in envy, repentance is required because it is the sin that grips our heart when we want something that belongs to another and we have desires that are forbidden.
Sam Rohrer: Okay, Renton, we’re out of time now, but when we come back in the next segment, I want you to connect this here because people are listening. I know their heads are saying and we get it, but I want you to connect to that dot specifically between that sin of envy, root cause and how that specifically applies to the person who justifies transgender the trans movement or has this, they think there’s one thing and they’ve got a problem with how God made them. I want you to apply that and how that sin of envy applies. We’ll be right back ladies and gentlemen. Stay with us. Alright, Renton, before we go in here and talk about solutions and ladies and gentlemen, we’re going to go here, what should the church do about this trend and this push to move and accept this trans world, this bold new trans world and the individuals do and the families, we’re going to talk about them. I want you to go back and define because I think people may have some questions. The sin of envy, you identified the other speaker you’re talking about, the other writer had identified and said that was a root problem behind transgenderism and the push to move away from God’s standard. Alright, what I’d like you to do, how actually does that envy who’s doing the envying? The person who is considering that they may be a trans movement person or the groups that are pushing that. Build that out just a bit, please.
Renton Rathbun: Absolutely. So the envy of someone actually experiencing gender dysphoria what Rosaria Butterfield is getting at is at the root of that is envy. But even those that are supporting all of this, I believe started when we began to accept people envying each other’s roles as God put the husband over as head of the wife, as he put men head of the church. The envying of the roles came where the feminists were saying, no, you women might have a deeply felt inherent sense of being more able to do the role and therefore if you have this deeply felt inherent sense and maybe even really good gifts that help you do the role better, then that gives me the authority to take on that role as roles are connected to our bodies, the envy of bodies then became part of that same movement and of that same movement. We have people that are envying bodies and they have a deeply felt inherent sense of being something different and they start wanting something that is forbidden.
Sam Rohrer: Okay? For instance, a person born a man says, I would really like to look like a woman. And that ventures there into that trance. That’s what you’re talking about, that envying they have in their heart and their mind, they like something about the way a woman is that they’re dissatisfied that they are as a man or vice versa. That’s in simple terms what you’re talking about.
Renton Rathbun: That’s correct.
Sam Rohrer: Okay, ladies and gentlemen, that’s important to understand. Really it is. So hopefully we don’t have time to go any further on that, but I wanted that connected because a dissatisfaction with the way God has made us for dissatisfied, we will long for that which he did not give to us. And that’s envy, dissatisfaction, not being grateful with what God has given us. That was the sin, ladies and gentlemen of what Israel was. God said, you failed to be grateful to me. You will embrace pride. You embrace pride, you then envy that which you are not the way. I have not made you. And all of a sudden you’re just like Satan himself who said, I will be like God. So I just throw that in there just for a moment there. But we have to go on here Renton. I’d love to go much deeper into this, but alright, here it is.
Sam Rohrer: Now we’ve got the trans movement put on the world stage, glorified set there during the Olympics, the media standards all around us, political interactions and entertainment, everything has now changed. What is normal into that, which is well what they doubted term normal, but we know it’s not. And I’m seeing it happen here where actually government, civil government with Romans 13, power of authority of the sorted of God is now being wielded by this larger group in mentality to actually bring the power of government against those who uphold God’s standards and in support of those that violate God’s standards, the complete slipping of God’s purposes there. Now we’re in this movement. So what should the church do about this trend that we’re witnessing?
Renton Rathbun: We need faithful churches, which really comes down to faithful pastors, faithful deacons, faithful elders who will hold the line. And so the question is, how does the church hold the line? Well, one of the things is the preaching in the church. We have got to stop underestimating the power of God’s word that is given to us through good preaching. Good preaching I think begins. It’s not the only kind of preaching you should do, but one good way of doing it is expositional preaching. That means you go through several chapters of the same book and show your congregation the context of these verses and it forces the congregation to see, oh God really is saying this. This isn’t someone taking something and using a verse as a diving board into a speech. When you do expositional preaching, you really see the context and the holistic understanding of God’s word and that this is really rooted in what the Holy Spirit is trying to tell us today.
Renton Rathbun: Number two, the church needs to actually practice church discipline calling men out when they are not leading in their homes. Stop being afraid of the women in your church who might disapprove of you talking about these things. Being a shepherd to your people where you have to take risks and be able to confront your congregation with your elders or deacons where you might even have to withhold communion from people because they are not conforming to what they agreed to when they became a member of your church. And lastly, the churches today need to have a mindset of sacrifice because if you hold to God’s word, it will cost you, it will cost you families, they will leave. It will cost you being relevant, whatever people want to believe about that right now. And people will hate you as much as Jesus said they would.
Sam Rohrer: Okay, we just got to go right here. Families, individuals. Ultimately every person’s going to give an account to God. God’s put the father and the mother in charge of the children and that’s where the framework ought to be. So what should families and individuals do, even if their local church may not be doing it?
Renton Rathbun: Educate your children at home by way of modeling an actual teaching of the Ephesians five construct of how daddy should be in the home and mommy should be in the home and how they are to obey mommy and daddy in the home and so that they understand, okay, daddy is in charge in this way as scripture says, mommy submits to daddy. That’s important because Ephesians five, because what you believe about what happens in the home is what you will believe about what happens in the church. If daddy starts submitting to mommy in the home, then we expect Jesus to submit to the church. And when we start seeing that, that’s where you start seeing what’s going on in the liberal churches today. Number two, teach your children to love God’s holiness. When God is demonstrating his love for himself and he expects us to love him as he loves himself, what we have to understand is his law is something we should love.
Renton Rathbun: The way David loved his law, we need to teach our children how to kill sin. Not to play with it, but to kill it. Teach our children that love is only love when it is anchored in truth. That love can be emotional, but that’s not what love is anchored in. Love has to be anchored in what is true. Also, we need to remember what Voddie Baucham told us when it comes to educating our children. We cannot continue to send our children to Caesar for their education and be surprised when they come back. Romans, how you educate your child is going to matter in how they are going to view this particular idea of a trans world. And you need to, if you are attending a church that’s egalitarian, that believes that the roles are just Paul’s idea and not God’s idea and all that sort of stuff, leave find a good church. And lastly, be sure that you are a member of a church. Show your family. You are under the authority of the church.
Sam Rohrer: Dr. Renton Rathbun. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, go back to our website, stand on aap radio.com or app and pick up this program again entitled Living in a Trans World. Get the transcript and then you’ll have all the information that was just shared that I know you were not able to write down for lack of time. God bless you. We’ll see you back here tomorrow.
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