Overcoming Anxiety in a World of Worry
August 20, 2024
Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell
Guest: Robert Morgan
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/20/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Jamie Mitchell: Welcome again to another Stand in the Gap. Today I’m your host, Jamie Mitchell, the director of church culture at the American Pastors Network. Here’s a statistic that I want you to consider today. It’s been determined that 4% of the world’s population, which is about 301 million people, suffer from some anxiety disorder. In the last 30 years, that number has risen 55%, making us the most nervous and worrisome generation that’s ever lived. It is kind of a surprising when you think that with technology and a fluence, we are in control of our lives more than ever. Nevertheless, pressures, uncertainty, upheaval, relational tensions, conflict of all kinds that we face daily has burdened us far beyond our past generations. I think we’re not being sensational to say that we might be called the anxiety generation. Yet for the believer in Christ, we should live and act and think differently.
Jamie Mitchell: The apostle Paul wrote those stunning words that we should take to heart in Philippians four, six, and seven. Do not be anxious for anything but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your request be made known to God and the peace of God which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Paul says that we are to be anxious for nothing yet every day we’re weighed down by all kinds of cares, worries, concerns, burdens, financially, relationally, church woes, work tensions, just watch the evening news and you get a tightness in your chest. Anxiety is all around us and we need to know what to do with it, how to handle it, ways to live above it, and ultimately how to have victory over it to give God the glory through it. Our guest today has written on this, lived through it and with it and has shepherd God’s people to face it. Dr. Robert Morgan is an author, pastor, one of my favorites, and now I’m in trouble. One of my favorite Bible teachers. I know some of my friends are going to take note of that. Our topic today is overcoming anxiety in a world of worry. Robert, welcome back to Stand In the Gap. What a privilege it is to have you. Again.
Robert Morgan: I love being with you, Jamie. Thank you so much.
Jamie Mitchell: Well, Robert, I was at probably our mutual favorite Bible conference. I was perusing their bookstore and I’m looking at different titles and there jumping off the shelf, I see a name at a title come Your Anxieties Winning the Fight Against Anxiety and who’s the author but you. So I think we have the right person today to help us consider this subject from what you’ve learned and studied and written on regarding the issue of anxiety, what is anxiety and where does it come from?
Robert Morgan: It’s a form of fear, and fear is the exact opposite of fate. It’s being threatened by things. It could be things in our past, it could be things in our present. It could be things in our future. It could be things on the world stage or it could be things that individually we’re facing, but there are so many different kinds of fears. We can have panic attacks, we can have terror, we can have apprehension, we can be worried, we can be anxious or have anxiety. All of these are various iterations of fear, and fear is very destructive to us. The Bible repeatedly tells us do not be afraid. In fact, right now I’m going through the entire Bible. I started in Genesis and now I’m in the Book of Acts listing all of the passages that tell us not to be afraid. And so this is a big theme in the Bible because it reflects a big condition and a big need in our own hearts.
Jamie Mitchell: Robert, it would seem that the Lord himself understood that there was something in all of us since the fall, there’s something broken inside of us and that we have this disposition that whatever we face, wherever we go, whoever we have encounters with a little switch gets turned. It all of a sudden we naturally fall towards fear or fall towards worry or fall towards anxiety. With that in mind, I know that anxiety has a lot to do with trusting the Lord, casting our cares on him. But with that in mind, if we have anxiety or fall into worry, are we sinning?
Robert Morgan: Well, some of the great Christians of the past would say yes. John Wesley said that he wouldn’t any more worry than he would cuss. Robert c McQuilkin always said that it was a sin to worry. At the same time when you read the account of Jesus Christ, he talked about how distressed he was. He said, now my soul is distressed. And so we know that Christ was sinless and yet he felt distress. And the apostle Paul said to the Corinthians that he ended up in the city of Troas where a great door was open to him, but he didn’t have any peace of mind. He was worried about the collapse of the church in Corinth. And so he said I had to leave that opportunity without doing anything and going on. So I do think that to continue to allow anxiety to dominate us is a condition of not living by faith and whatever is not a fate, this sin.
Robert Morgan: So there is a sense in which yes is the answer to that, but the other side of it is that fear and distress is endemic to our condition. And so I would say the simplest answer to that rather complex question is that we all fall into moments of fear or post-traumatic reactions or nervousness or we are shocked or startled at something and that’s a normal part of the human condition that we kind avoid sometimes we’re distressed, but to stay in a position to allow ourselves to continue to be dominated by emotions that are debilitating to us is not what God intends for us. That would be when our normal concerns become debilitating and self-destructive, then it becomes sinful.
Jamie Mitchell: Yeah, I love that because if my wife was here, she would say that there are times where whether it’s a ministry burden or a family concern or maybe something comes up, I will have what we have labeled a holy agitation. I get agitated for a moment and it moves me to action, but the problem is there are times that that also moves into obsession where I dwell on it. I love the words you use, Robert, that you become dominated by it. That’s what we’re talking about today, friends, we’re not just discussing the news of the day and how those things affect us, but we’re attempting to deal with real life issues that you and I deal with every day, and many of you are gripped by fear and worry, anxiety and even facing the future. When we return, Robert and I are going to discuss how God’s word can be used when we’re struck by worry.
Jamie Mitchell: Come back and join with us in just a few moments as we continue here dealing with anxiety on Stand in the Gap today. Well welcome back. We’re discussing with Robert Morgan, the author of Red Sea Rules, a hundred Bible verses. Everyone should know one of this book’s entitled, calm Your Anxiety, and that’s the focus of our attention today. We’re looking at dealing with anxiety when we’re living in a world of worry, Robert, we do live in a world of worry. As you interact with people today, what is the number one, number two cause that they would say is precipitating worry or anxiety in people’s lives today? Are there any specific causes that you see people are really dwelling on these days?
Robert Morgan: I think the family issues, family problems, loved ones that are in crisis, children that are facing difficulties, that is a huge thing that causes anxiety for people. The people that we love the most are the ones that we’re the most concerned about, and my own daughter told me yesterday, she’s got several children, she said, the moment you give a child a phone, the world comes into them. You can’t totally control it if they have a phone in their hand and the world is coming in to them. And so we worry about our children, we worry about whether it’s a moral crisis or a health crisis or what to do with their schooling or what to do if their faith is wobbling or if they’re having marital problems. All of these things cause a great deal of anxiety. And then you couple that with the other kinds of personal pressures we have financial and medical and everything else. And then you layer over that the uncertainty in our nation and the stress that everybody is feeling right now regarding politics and about the cultural shift taking place in America. And then you look against the backdrop of world concerns and wars and rumors of wars. You have multiple layers of anxiety coming down upon you, but I think the things closest to us are the ones that we are prone to be most worried about.
Jamie Mitchell: I would say amen to that. I think as I talk to people old and young, it’s the relationships that are closest to it. Robert, you’re such a wonderful Bible teacher. I mentioned to you before we went on the air, you do this 59 second sermon on Facebook that just touches my soul when I watch it and I know you believe that God’s word is the answer for us as we deal with anxiety. How and what ways can God’s word help us deal with anxiety in our lives?
Robert Morgan: We have to grow in the promises of God. The Puritans would say that the promises of God are the God-given means the soil in which our faith grows so that when we have a particular crisis, and I’ll just say this from my own example. When I’m faced with bad news or when something comes to me and I feel this anxiety or this panic attack coming over me, I have to go into the scripture and I say, Lord, I know that you have a word for me that is a promise somewhere with my name on it and I need that promise. And so I usually begin reading where I left off that morning or the day before and I just take a pencil or a pen and I read through and my heart is open to some word from the Lord. This morning in my quiet time, I came across a phrase I’d never seen before.
Robert Morgan: In the Book of Vax, it talks about the comfort of the Holy Spirit and I just underline that. But I think the Lord gives us promises. Now we can’t wrestle them out of context, but if we’re reading consecutively through scripture, through books of the Bible, then we are understanding the context. But as we do that, God gives us promises and then we have to focus our attention on those promises and we begin to realize that we can either be aware of the problem but dominated by the promise or we can be aware of the promise or dominated by the problem and we have to increasingly quote that and preach to selves and depend on that promise to get us through because the problems will come and go. But the promise is the promise that God gives you during the problem will come and stay with you forever. So I think that as we learn to get into that habit and we practice it through the months and the years, there is something about that that causes our faith to grow. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, and it increasingly gives us victory over anxiety and over the anxious trends and patterns that we have in our personalities.
Jamie Mitchell: When I was a little kid, I used to go visit my aunt and uncle upstate New York and they had a neighbor, her name was Ida Denton, and my aunt would go off to work and she would take me over to Ida and I would sit over there for an hour or two while she was at work and Ida made me bring my Bible and she had these colored pencils. You know what she had me do, Robert? She had me read through my Bible underlining the promises of God. She says, if you don’t know the promises of God, then you are going to be a weak Christian. I was only seven, eight years old and I’m hearing this, I’m thinking we Christian, but I’ll never forget underlining those promises of God. As a pastor Robert, you probably have sat with people over the years faced with worry and grip by anxiety. Are there any go-to passages that you would have used or you used? And just as if people are listening today and they’re sitting in let’s say your study and they say, Robert, I’m grip with anxiety as you point to the word of God, what passages would you take them to comfort their heart?
Robert Morgan: Well, two ways to answer that. Very often I will use the passage that the Lord is using to speak to me at that moment or maybe the passage that I’m memorizing. I’ve just been reem. Psalm 1 21, I will lift up my eyes into the hills from when comes my help. My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth. And so since I’m going over that chapter, that psalm over and over and over again, it’s Psalm my mind and I want to make sure that I can say it word perfect. And so whatever is the passage that God has laid on my heart tends to be the one that is best at any given moment to share with somebody else. But the other way of answering the question is that there are a number of passages we should all have memorized. I was with a friend of mine who was dying, a relatively young man who suddenly developed a disastrous medical condition and just as he was dying and he was frightened and I just started, took his hand and started quoting from Psalm eight, what Finn shall we say to these things if God is for as who can be against us?
Robert Morgan: He who did not spare his own son. And I quoted through that passage and he visibly relaxed as he heard those words from the Lord. There are some passages in the Bible that are specifically for anxiety like Psalm 37, Matthew six, Philippians chapter four. Those are very good to know. And then the ultimate promise in the Bible that I think summarizes all of them as Romans 8 28. Now, you don’t want just to throw scripture in somebody’s face when they’re dealing with a difficulty. You don’t want to be cavalier about it, but as the Holy Spirit gives you sensitivity, there is nothing like scripture to encourage someone in a difficult time.
Jamie Mitchell: Robert, we got about a minute or two left in the segment, but one of the things I’ve noticed with Christians, many Christians, old and young, they don’t understand the principle of renewing the mind are emotions and our will is controlled by how we think. Why do many Christians don’t understand this? And from your experience, have you had to teach that principle and teach how important it is to renew and dwell our mind on God’s word? And if they don’t, the anxiety just continues. Is that correct?
Robert Morgan: Find a verse and memorize it. That’s what I would advise just in your Bible reading, find a verse that speaks to you. It doesn’t have to be a complicated one, but just say it out loud 10 times every day for two or three weeks until that verse, you’ll memorize it without even realizing as you keep repeating it over and over again and then it’s in your mind. And once the Bible verse is in your mind, then you can close your eyes. You can go for a walk, you can be driving your car and that verse will be ministering to you and that’s the way we renew our minds.
Jamie Mitchell: Oh, I just saw a statistic the other day, Robert, that more adults who are in church today did not grow up in Sunday school where a lot of this memory work would have been done. I mean so many times when wherever I am and my wife will say the same thing, that we need a word from the Lord and the Holy Spirit will bring to mind those memorized passages that we got when we were little kids, when I was sitting there with Ida Denton and she was making me underline those promises of God over and over. It really is something that is lacking in the church today. The whole issue of Bible memory, isn’t it?
Robert Morgan: Yes it is. I’m distressed about it, but when I’m with my grandchildren and we go on a trip or something, I try to find a verse and by the time they get back, my goal is that they will have memorized that verse and we just have fun doing it.
Jamie Mitchell: Amen. The Bible is power, power to change, power to save us power, to direct us, and to connect us with God’s source for anxiety when we come back. How can hymns and songs and worship combat anxiety, we’re going to talk about that. I think there’s a secret here that will be a real help to us when we come back for the third segment. I’m standing the gap today. Well, thanks for staying with us, Robert Morgan, author and Bible teachers, our guest, and we’re trying to give you some insights and some help on the issue of anxiety. We’ve talked about what anxiety is and how it happens to us and how to use God’s word to overcome it. Robert, I know you love the hymns and the songs of the church. You’ve written a wonderful book then sings My Soul, looking at 150 of some of the great hymns of all time. When you’re facing fear and doubt, uncertainty, anxiety, what role does worship and specifically do the hymns and songs of the church help minister to your troubled heart Times?
Robert Morgan: Yes, they certainly do to mine. I don’t know what I’d do without them. Apart from scripture, nothing helps me more than the great hymns of the church as well as some of the newer music. When Jehosaphat was faced with the tremendous crisis, the whole city of Jerusalem, elimination of Israel was facing annihilation. In two Chronicles chapter 20, they sent out the choir in front of the army and it was as they were singing, praise to God that the victory was won. When Paul and Silas were imprisoned in Philippi after their beating, they were in the midnight dungeon bound hand and foot. They didn’t have hymn books, they didn’t have any words projected on the wall of the dungeon, but they knew hymns and songs and psalms by heart and they were singing them, and that’s when the earthquake came. So I know the lyrics of many great hymns and if I’m on an airplane and tired, I’ll lean against the side of the plane, against the window and close my eyes and the great hymns of the faith just run through my mind like an orchestra.
Robert Morgan: And I think it’s very important. This is why I do believe in mixing new and old music because that’s always been done throughout the history of Christianity. But right now our newer music has a very short shelf life, the contemporary Christian music, we sing it and then the song is gone and we don’t sing it again ever. And so the words don’t get down into our long-term memory, but when you have a set of songs and you hear them when you’re five years old, you sing ’em when you’re 10 and when you’re Quin and 30 and 40 and 50 and 60 and through the decades, you know how great thou art and oh for a thousand tongues to sing, then those lyrics get very deeply down into your mind. Worship leaders today are facing a tremendous problem, but they don’t even realize they’re facing it. They are not building long-term worship lyrics into the hearts of their worshipers because they’re on an all contemporary diet and those songs come and go very, very quickly. We’ve got to also include classic hymns that we will sing all of our lives from birth to death because those are the songs that become so deeply entrenched within us. It’s like we have an internal music machine going on all the time and it helps us in times of anxiety.
Jamie Mitchell: It’s so interesting that you mentioned Phat talk about somebody who had anxiety and that passage that you were quoting, I think he says something like this, Lord, I don’t know what to do, but my eyes are set on you. I think things like music can recalibrate what we see and what we’re thinking on and how we’re focusing now. Robert, I’m not an old timer. I love, like you just said, I love the contemporary music, but in recent seasons I have found myself ministering to senior citizens in the retirement communities and they don’t want to hear the new stuff. They want to hear the old stuff. And so I’ve become reacclimated again with the great hymns of faith and they’re rich and full and substantive works. Are there any hymns that speak to your heart? You mentioned a few of ’em, but in times of trouble when there has been those times of darkness of the souls, are there any specific hymns that really have lifted your heart and focused your eyes on the Lord?
Robert Morgan: Well, yes. Just yesterday an article came out in Mature Living magazine that I wrote called Hymns that Have shaped my life, and I tell the story of some of those. There’s a wonderful hymn by Martin Ring Hart. He was a German hymn rider and he was in the middle of the 30 years war and faced by a lot of, he was sort of in a jehosaphat position, but he wrote that great hymn. Now think we all are God with hearts and hands and voices who wondrous things has done and whom our world rejoices, who from our mother’s arms has blessed us on our way with countless gifts of love and still is ours today. I remember hearing Billy Graham’s wife, Ruth say that when nothing else would help her, she could sing immortal, invisible God only wise and light inaccessible hid from our eyes and that song would help her so very much.
Robert Morgan: There’s a gospel song that has come to me quite often and it says, be not dismayed. Whatever be tied, God will take care of you. And then this Fanny Crosby hymn All the Way My Savior lead to me, what have I to ask Beside can I doubt his tender mercies who through life has been my guide. That’s one of my favorites. And sometimes I’ll go around the house just singing. I need the every hour, I need the oh, I need the So yes, I try to, as I memorize scripture, I try to learn lyrics of hymns. And it’s actually easier because they’re set to music and as you sing them, you naturally begin to learn them. But I’ll tell you, Jamie, the person that’s got scripture embedded in their mind that has I regular simple routine of memorizing Bible verses and is listening to and learning the classic hymns, that person, the devil has a hard time doing anything with that person.
Jamie Mitchell: Amen. I keep a hymnal next to my desk. Now, I had a professor in college who was in the music department of our college, and I remember one day he said to me as we were talking about devotions, that kind of thing, he looked at me and he said, some days I have my devotions in a hymnal. As a Bible college student, you kind of say, what are you kidding me? And then I began to, every now and then open up the hymnal and read from it because obviously so many of these songs have been penned out of their scriptural understanding. But even like this one today, a shelter in the time of storm, the Lord our rock in Him, we hide a shelter in a time of storm, secure whatever ills be tied, a shelter in a time of storm, a shade by day, defense by night, no fears alarm, no foes, a fright, a raging storm may round us beat. We’ll never leave our safe retreat, a shelter in a time of storm. Robert in the midst of anxiety, hearing words like that over and over, they do a tremendous work of bolstering up our heart and our soul. This really speaks to the issue in churches. Robert does it about the importance of worship and prayer in a corporate setting, especially when you got to believe that so many people on a Sunday morning are stricken by anxiety. What word would you give to some of our worship leaders in churches today?
Robert Morgan: I would give the word interwoven, intergenerational. We’ve got to have new music. I love the exuberance of the new music and the older people very badly need the contemporary music. But the younger people very badly need the great hymns. And every generation, and I can go on for an hour about this, but every generation up until hours has blended old and new worship. When I was growing up, we were singing the new songs of Peterson along with the songs of Fannie Crosby and the songs of Isaac Watts. When Isaac Watts was there, they would still sing the great German hymns and they would still sing the Psalms. I mean, the blended worship has always been a part of the heritage of the church until the last 10 years when a lot of churches suddenly or worship leaders suddenly discarded 4,000 years of Christian music and Christian music and just went to a total contemporary diet. And again, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t sing new music, but Jesus said that the wise man brings out of his storehouse treasures, both old and new. And I’m glad that I go to a church that has new music but doesn’t neglect to add the great hymns of the faith in the mix.
Jamie Mitchell: Robert, this is such good and practical words of wisdom. And I hope many of our pastors who are listening today, many of whom are not musically inclined, and so they find somebody who’s musical, they find a musician and they hand over the worship selection and how the service would unfold. And I think we need a steady hand of biblically oriented pastor to say, you know what? We better have a balanced diet, a celebratory yes, but also contemplative and substantive because there are troubled hearts in our congregation and that’s what we’re trying to do today, friends, to help us have a strategy to overcome the anxiety in our lives. When we finish up, we’re going to talk about how to help others who are going through anxiety. Robert Morgan is my guest today here on Stand In the Gap Today. Well, the hour has flown by as usual.
Jamie Mitchell: It’s been a glorious time discussing with Robert Morgan how to overcome anxiety in a world of worry. Robert, we probably here at Stand in the Gap occasionally add to people’s anxiety because we do programs analyzing the world, politics, the Middle East and all the threats around our globe. And I know we can’t run from anxiety. It kind of always finds us. But I want to finish up today our discussion and tap your experience as a pastor. Probably as a pastor, you’ve equipped a lot of people to care for others and to provide comfort to others. How can the church help in this matter? And especially those who are gripped with anxiety, let’s give some insights to people out there. Maybe they encounter a friend or a loved one who has anxiety. What two or three insights would you share with somebody who may know somebody who’s going through a time of worry and overwhelmed anxiety? How can they help them?
Robert Morgan: Well, I think teaching them and encourage them to be in the scripture themselves is a big help when I sit down with young people. And I love doing that more than anything else with young adults, especially young men. And I try to teach them how to study the Bible on their own, how to get a wide margin Bible or a notebook and a pen or a pencil and just go through the Bible starting the next day where they left off today and finding those verses and understanding the scripture because when we’re in the scripture, the more we’re in the scripture, the more ammunition we have to fight off anxiety. I also think that the church can provide excellent counselors and sometimes doctors and nurses. There’ve been times I’ve had to go to a doctor or to a counselor or maybe to a good friend who has an extra dose of wisdom and discuss how to deal with my anxiety.
Robert Morgan: And there is a place for that. There’s a place for clinical help and I don’t think we should ignore that. But then I also think that just the fellowship in our small groups and with our friends can help us a lot. We can’t bear our burdens alone. And when I’m at church, I try to pastor by walking around and I can, the other day I saw a big old fellow and I could tell from the look on his face something was wrong. And I said, how are you? He said, fine. And I said, I don’t think so. I said, something’s troubling you, isn’t it? And he nodded, yes, we didn’t have a lot of time to talk, but I put my hand on his shoulder and I just prayed for him. And the next time I saw him, his face was bright. So both and pulpit ministry by what we are expositing in the pulpit and in our small groups with our counseling ministries and then our person to person interaction with friends, all of this I think are god’s means of grace when it comes to dealing with anxiety.
Jamie Mitchell: It’s being a caring person that really makes a difference. I haven’t been in an emergency room in a while, but the last time I was there, I always laugh because they have this thing called triage. You go in and they take your blood pressure. They have some initial questions to see if you’re worthy to see the doctor or see how bad things are. But I think in many respects, Robert, in the pews of churches, we need more triage caregivers, some initial contact just to find out how people are and then be that person of contact to direct them to the right person. I want to ask you something else. We have the time and that is the issue of grief. I’m finding that so many people are be set by grief, and it’s kind of a distant cousin to anxiety and sometimes grief leads us into anxiety. Are you seeing that? And how is grief play a role in the whole issue of anxiety?
Robert Morgan: Well, I know something about grief. My wife, Katrina, was very ill. So I stepped away from pastoring, which was a tremendous loss for me. And then she passed away. And then the church that I was serving at didn’t seem to need me in an auxiliary role, and I just felt like I was having loss after loss after loss, and it took me a while to recover from that. So I think time, it just takes time to work your way through adjusting to losses in life. But again, I never failed to have my morning devotions, my quiet time with the Lord. I never failed to have hymns in my life and then I was in church and with people that love me and whom I loved, and thankfully I’ve got good family support around me with my kids. And so I had a lot of things going for me.
Robert Morgan: Nothing is more important than that daily time for me. It’s in the morning after I get up and I have my cup of coffee and I go to my desk with my Bible and my little prayer book, but this is my daily meeting with the God of the universe. When I do what Jesus said, you go into the room, shut the door, and meet with your heavenly Father in secret, he speaks to me in the Word. I speak to him in prayer. I’ve been doing this since I was 19 years old. I’m 72 now, and it has never failed to give me the resources that I need to go through the difficulties of life, including grief. So I would encourage everyone, the thing that I want to teach young adults more than anything else is to have their daily quiet time. This is the God of the universe wants to meet with us at the kitchen table on a regular basis and to get that habitualize into our schedule and to understand it’s not a routine. I mean it is a routine, but it’s more than that. It is a relationship of listening to God and speaking to him and building this friendship with him that helps us through all of the negative and difficult emotions of life.
Jamie Mitchell: Robert, we have about a minute. I want to make sure people know how to get your books, your resources, the different things that you have available. Where can they find about your ministry, give ’em a website, and any other things that would be helpful for them to follow you and what you’re doing.
Robert Morgan: Our website is robert j morgan.com. J stands for my middle initial, john robert j morgan.com. And I have a weekly Bible study podcast that is there. We have our blog, we have all of our books are there, which are also available wherever books are sold. If you’re in the Kezik bookstore, kezik, then always get books from a Christian bookstore when you can because we need to support those. But all of our resources are there@robertjmorgan.com.
Jamie Mitchell: Well, this has been, again, a great joy and I hope, friends, as you’ve listened today, one of the things you’ve walked away hearing from Robert is simply this, that when we need a drink of cold water from the Lord, our well cannot be dry. We need to keep filling up our well with God’s word and the presence of God and being around the power of God that he gives us. Robert, thank you again for being with us. It is such a joy to have you with us.
Robert Morgan: You’re welcome. Thank you, Jamie. It’s always a joy to be with you too. And may the Lord bless you until we meet again.
Jamie Mitchell: Well, thank you for letting us serve you today. Encourage you, challenge you, as I always say at the end of our program, live and lead with courage because we need courage today to face the anxiety that the world is throwing at us. God bless you. Have a wonderful rest of this day, and we’ll see you back here in 23 hours for another stand in the gap today.
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