When Trust and Privacy Erode
Sept. 18, 2024
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest(s): Twila Brase
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 9/18/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer: Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also our monthly focus on health freedom and the issues most affecting our health freedom and information necessary for all of us who I’m going to say fear God and love our freedom, including that of health. My guest as normal on this important theme is Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom website@cchfreedom.org. And I’ll give that again as we get into the program. But Twila along with her team, in my opinion, is on the very, very frontline of providing knowledge, awareness, and truly standing in the gap for health freedom in America. The title I’ve chosen to frame our this conversation today is this, when trust and privacy erode a health freedom update, we’re going to give a health freedom update on a number of issues like we do regularly.
Sam Rohrer: So stay with us as we get into that in just a moment. But before I invite in Twila, let me make just a few brief comments. First of all, over the last six weeks or so, I’ve been speaking about the Jerusalem Prayer breakfast in New York City and encouraging many of you and all of you who can to at least to pray some to attend if possible. Well, my wife, Ruth, Nathan and I were able to attend and be a part of that event, which was held this past Sunday and Monday. And I’ll say for those of you who know, because we talked with you and you were there, it was a blessing to meet some of you who were among the approximately 600 in attendance who came up and said you were there because you heard us talk about it on this program. Really, really wonderful.
Sam Rohrer: And it was a great program. I was actually intending to do the program live from New York City yesterday, but at the last moment just could not put together for technical reasons, more of a connection, a sound to connection, audio connection. So we had to forego that. So what you heard yesterday was a replay of a program done some time ago on a current issue, crypto currency. It was, but that was the intent to share that with you. So I’m going to give some comments on that event, which the Lord I think greatly blessed. I’m going to do it on this Friday’s Ask Sam program with Dr. Isaac Crockett. So if you remember listening to that, and I’ll talk more about some of the things that came out of that meeting in addition to the United Nations resolution against Israel, scheduled to be voted on in the middle of next week.
Sam Rohrer: A big deal. A big deal indeed, and I’ll explain more of that on that program. I may also give some commentary on what appears to be an Israeli cyber attack against Hezbollah. Where nearly 3000 Hezbollah terrorists were wounded and therefore put on notice there’s a great deal happening around the world right now and much of it’s revolving around Israel and the Middle East for God’s hand is clearly at work. And that’s all I’m going to say on that. Join me on Friday for some more. But with that, let me invite in right now. Twila Brase, president of Citizens Council for Health Freedom Twila. Good to have you back.
Twila Brase: Glad to be here. Thanks, Sam.
Sam Rohrer: Twila, we’ve talked about it much, but when it comes to government trust in government is at its all-time low. Matter of fact, I heard on the news today some, I forget who it was, had made a survey of it and trust in governments at all time low, well trust in organizations controlled by government, which in my opinion frankly includes everyone who’s getting some kind of subsidy from government funds, including doctors and hospitals are also affected. We’ve talked some about that, but there was a recent September 5th Brownstone Institute survey that you have talked a bit about. They shared some information that they have just found relative to trust. Can you share what they found and how it affects the issue of health freedom?
Twila Brase: Sure. So I think probably your listeners can understand this a lot given everything we’ve gone through with Covid. But between April of 2020 and early this year in 2024, trust went down 71.5% to just 40.1%. And that’s trust in doctors and hospitals. And probably what you have heard a lot of is people saying things like, I don’t ever want to go to the hospital. Okay, I’m finding a doctor who’s not like that kind of doctor that I’ve had all the time because I don’t trust that they’re actually working for me. And then I think that the interesting thing about the study was some of the headers you might say as to why patients lost trust. They think that the whole kit and caboodle has become a business that it all has a financial agenda rather than anything having to do with patient care. The experience of course during Covid, a lack of quality of healthcare, a lot of them who are in the hospital or elsewhere who had loved ones, felt like they were being neglected.
Twila Brase: They’d go to the ER and they’d be told, go home and don’t come back until you turn blue. And then they knew they couldn’t ever get the ivermectin from these people that call themselves doctors. And then another thing was just they felt people are feeling like there’s an influence of external agendas. The whole thing is running on some other agenda than taking care of the patient. And then that discrimination and bias are coming in. And that one could be from, it’s hard to say, but what we do know is that DEI, that doctors are now being trained in diversity, equity, and inclusion, and they’re being trained to look at color more than conditions and that shouldn’t be happening. And maybe that is being felt, but also from their cultural and their belief standards, right? So they want to wait two years before they inject their children with any kind of shots or they’re Christians and so they don’t want to do X or whatever it is that those belief systems are not being validated or looked at as having any value.
Sam Rohrer: Okay. So basically what you’re sharing are things that you’ve noted all of our listeners have noted, they’re just quantifying it. What’s the impact going forward as far as you can see on health freedom?
Twila Brase: Well, I think we’re sort of at this what precipice or a turning point. There’s a lot of different ways that you could say it because I think that the American people, Covid opened up so many eyes. And then doctors on the other side, there’s about 75% of them who have become employees, not all of them very happily. And they’re probably deciding too, what are they going to do? Are they going to stay a corporate government doctor or are they going to try to go free? So I think there’s this great wrestling right now that Covid, if there was a silver lining of Covid, it really exposed what’s been going on for several decades as government has increasingly reached into the exam room to take control. The electronic health record was imposed allowing lots of outsiders to take control and just patients didn’t even know. But now patients are much more aware. And so I think this is a real wrestling of where are we going to go? And of course from our perspective, we want to build a parallel healthcare system of freedom that actually takes care of patients the way patients need to be taken care of at an affordable price with every price, transparent, confidentially, everything that puts the patient in the center, but at an affordable price. And so it’s a big tussle
Sam Rohrer: With that twill. Just hold that. And ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because we’re going to talk more about how we respond to these things in the last segment. We’ll cover some of that in the next segment. We’re going to move from trust to the matter of privacy and how those two connect. We’ll give you some thing updates on that third segment. We’ll talk about digital IDs coming our way, including real ID and update you on what that is doing. Well, if you’re just joining us today, we’re getting underway on this program. This is our monthly health freedom update with Twila Brase, president Co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. They’ve got a website, CCH freedom.org. A lot of information on there, including probably a little bit of least anyways of what we’re going over today. My theme is this, when trust and privacy erode, and the last segment we talked about, a survey just came up from Brownstone Institute that documents and puts into firm statistics, the plummet from trust in government and doctors in hospitals from what 12 was saying, around 70% are undo by 40% approximately.
Sam Rohrer: Big drop, big differences. And I think we all can sense that a lot of that driven from the experience of Covid obviously, but it’s ongoing. But there’s another area too. And always there’s far more on the subject of health freedom that we could cover, but simply in an hour program, don’t have the time. So try and touch on a number of things. But that being said, let’s move now if we could from the area of trust we just talked about into an area where trust has been, I don’t know, nearly totally eroded. And that’s in the area of privacy, privacy of sensitive and personal patient health data, all of that information that most Americans, most patients think are tightly protected. And certainly coming out of Covid, we’ve already referenced that the citizens’ trust in government has rightly plummeted. Now doctors and physicians have shown up quantified, but that erosion is now very, very broad and it seems to be facilitated and expanded since we’re into this area of electronic health records that you’ve talked about that is so burdening our good docs here on this matter of privacy of sensitive patient health data. A recent decision by a Texas judge highlights, I’m going to say the deceptive nature of what most people think ironclad protects their data as HIPAA rules or provisions. But you have said very clearly, does nothing of the sort, would you share the details of this judge’s ruling, those that are involved hospitals and the federal government, how it impacts the area of health freedom?
Twila Brase: It was discovered that the hospitals around the country are using their websites to track those who come to visit at their websites. So if you go and see Cleveland Clinic or something or a hospital, Mayo Clinic or whatever, then they are taking that information, tracking you across the web and then sharing it with online marketers, data brokers and social media platforms like Facebook for example. And so the government said that they couldn’t do that. And so the hospitals sued. And then last week, or maybe it was the week before, the Department of Health and Human Services dropped an appeal before a federal judge allowing the hospitals to just continue taking this information and sharing it with all of these entities without your consent. And for your listeners who haven’t ever heard me speak on this topic before, they’re still thinking that HIPAA protects their privacy.
Twila Brase: But actually HIPAA allows all of the things that the hospitals want to do with it without the patient’s consent. And the interesting thing about the article in Axios, it has an interesting comment about saying that there’s these limits of HIPAA and that HIPAA isn’t strong enough to cover these issues. I just kind of laughed because the fact of the matter is, it’s like it avoids the fact that HIPAA is all about data sharing. It’s not just about what hospitals do with their websites, it’s about all the information in your electronic health record that can be shared broadly without your consent. And so I don’t know if they’re blind or if they know and they’re just not telling you,
Sam Rohrer: You asked that question, you don’t know. I’m saying that facetiously, of course they know. Now, here’s a question I was going to ask you is that isn’t it odd that the government of which HIPAA comes and is the entity that actually collects and actually ensures that sensitive data is collected and distributed and available, is the one moving against the hospitals who are actually doing the same thing? I have an opinion, but why would the government appear to be the protector of the people and come after the hospitals who are collecting information when in fact the hospitals are doing exactly what the government’s doing?
Twila Brase: So I was trying to remember exactly how this happened, although the article does talk about the fact that there was a 2023 study at the University of Pennsylvania that unveiled all of this sharing by the hospitals using their websites and the collection of data, whether that was the emphasis or not. But the fact of the matter is when something becomes public, then the government’s going to sweep in the grand protector on this one thing that becomes public and they’re not going to go after all the other things because of course they support all of the other sharing. So I feel like this might just be a farce, and that’s why they just gave it up and said, yeah, we’re not going to go any further. And the hospitals can just keep sharing.
Sam Rohrer: That’s my sense too, appear to be the white knight on the horse when in fact you just turn the other direction and you put on your black cape. And that’s exactly what’s happening. It’s interesting, but let me follow up on this because we talk about privacy a lot. I’ve asked you before, but I’m going to ask you again because there may be people listening who have forgot or wondering about that right now. And that is simply this. What is in fact the real problem with the fact that this information, which we believe and we trust is private, our health data, the fact that it is not at all private, I put that in this context to you because we’re in an age where we’re tracking of people’s movement, where they go to search building profiles on them. Anybody who uses a smartphone knows this. You go somewhere on the phone, all of a sudden you’re getting all kinds of information.
Sam Rohrer: And the tracking even to the GPS of knowing where somebody is, is all a part of collected data. And I’ve mentioned this to a number of younger people and said, you better be careful about that. To which the responses, well, you know what? It’s been captured for a long time. They already know all about me. Where am I going to go? Nothing has happened right now. So what difference does it make? Well, alright, that’s what I want to ask you. What difference does it make? What is the potential implication problem for sensitive health data that is made available to whoever?
Twila Brase: So the first thing that I just want to say about this, which people don’t understand, who say things like that when they say, well, they have all this information about me anyway, so I don’t care. They already have it, right? You know what? Every time they put in a law or a regulation grabbing more data, it’s because they don’t have it. They don’t have it, or they don’t have it that way, or they can’t get it from those people, or they can’t tie it from this person to that person. They don’t have it. If you write a law, if you write a rule, if you write anything, if you write a new guidance, it’s because they don’t have it and it’s because they want it. And so this is such a misunderstanding. Yes, all of those data points are somewhere about you. And a lot of people, Lexi Nexus, are putting all sorts of things in them, pulling them together about you, but they don’t have everything and not everybody can get it.
Twila Brase: And even the government can’t get it all. And so that’s why they keep writing rules and laws. So just know that. And then your question about why does it matter? Well, it matters because you can tell how important it is to them. So data is all about power and profit. So it’s the people who want the power to do things, to know things, who use the data to do things or know things about you, to influence you, to change you, to track you, to find you to whatever you that might be. And then there’s all the people who want to profit off of selling the data to all those people who want to use it for power purposes. And so I always say he who holds the data, makes the rules. Every tyrant knows this. And if we were in Russia, these young people would suddenly realize exactly how important it is for them not to know where your cell phone is, how many of you are gathering together, who is gathering together and under what tree? In what park are they gathering together? And so the problem with American young people I think sometimes is that they have never looked at or experienced or learned about communism. They’ve never learned about Marxism. They’ve never learned sufficiently about the tyrants, the Pol Pots, the people who just killed people
Twila Brase: Because they disagreed. Or Xi Jinping, right? He’s killing people who disagree. They don’t know enough about the social credit system. Imagine if you told a young person in America, well, you can go one block outside your home because you said something negative about Biden. And that’ll be for a month. And that’ll hopefully teach you never to say another negative thing about Biden or all the cameras. All the cameras in China, China’s got more cameras than you can even imagine at every corner in every place. And so this is all about power, but for a lot of people in America and the companies, it’s all about profit.
Sam Rohrer: Alright, Twila, thank you so much for that. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you get the understanding that data, personal information about you, your health, why you go to the doctor, the problem for which he’s treating, the drug that you may be taking to keep you alive, the sensitive, whatever it may be, it’s valuable for a lot of reasons. Ultimately from government it’s controlled, the businesses involved it’s money, but in the end it’s a loss of freedom. And in the case of health, you don’t have privacy right now. We all should be aware when we come back, we want to talk now about digital ID and real id. Alright, Twila, let’s move now from, well, we started with lack of trust and how people are really quantifiably now. Measurable people do not trust government on matters of healthcare. I think it’s broader than that, but that’s what we’re talking about from the Brownstone Institute research last segment talking about HIPAA and how it does not under any circumstance protect private health data.
Sam Rohrer: And you did a very, very excellent job of outlining why it makes a difference, which is a lot of people say, well, what makes a difference? Nothing’s impacted me yet. Just look. So anyways, you’re just joining us ladies and gentlemen. Go back and you can pick up those discussions in the further part of this program earlier part. Now let’s move on to this matter of digital IDs. While on the program here, on many occasions, you and I have talked about real id, real ID law passed in 2005, just about 20 years ago now, and its implementation date. All those listening to me right now, we’ve talked about this, you’ve encountered real ID perhaps when you’ve gone to get your driver’s license, if you travel a lot, you’ve seen references or you’ve heard discussions about real ID and not being able to travel without it and all that kind of thing.
Sam Rohrer: But it’s kind of come and gone because the implementation date has been repeatedly postponed. So twilight, you fought this national ID card, which I believe is what it is for many reasons. I fought it in its earliest implementation way back in 2005 and six and so forth and beyond. And later when I was in the Pennsylvania General Assembly. And my reason was is that I looked at it and I saw what it was. It was that lo and behold, I said, this is a national ID card. In de facto, it was a national ID card. They didn’t call it that by design. But at that point in time anyways, for most of America it was a national ID card was anathema. But I think that’s changing. And because it was tied to international aviation standards back at that point in 2005, it still is. And those aviation standards adopted by the United Nations year before, I know I said, and you said another, said that the card in fact would become a part of a much larger and sinister global ID system since it was being phased into an international system.
Sam Rohrer: Well now we know that it’s exactly that. Now it appears that we’re in the midst of a concerted global push to perhaps no longer postpone this, but to implement it, digital IDs are being required in the UK and in the EU in as early as 90 days. And I have an article here from Fox News that has covered it and the elder why, looking at European news, forced submission by people, fingerprints, eye scans and all that for travel from one country to another. Now here in the United States, the date on the books right now for implementation is May 5th, 2025. For real id. From your perspective, do you think this date may be postponed again or are we facing a hard date implementation this time? Why or why not? Your thoughts?
Twila Brase: So Sam, there’s so many things that we could talk about with real ID to try to get people to understand how significant this is in the Christian realm. 6, 6, 6. That’s what we’re looking at. Can’t buy and sell without it. And I just want to say that Lamar Alexander, when it was passed in the middle of the night in 2005 on the floor of the US Senate called it a national id. So right from the floor of Congress, it was attached to a tsunami, a tsunami bill. So I do believe that they are trying in earnest now to do everything possible to make this happen. If I look at the history of this when it was originally passed and the rule came out in 2008, most state legislatures around the country actually passed bills to say, we will not comply. This is a misuse of state’s rights.
Twila Brase: You have no right to take over our identification and driving systems. We will not comply. And then Obama, and not late 2016, no, I’m sorry, late 2015 and early 2016 came out with this, you can’t fly without a real id. Very clever and legislators years later, but legislators, constituents were all very, very concerned. The chamber of commerce wanted this thing to happen. And so a lot of legislatures just moved to comply. Now Pennsylvania and Missouri Republicans actually wrote to Trump and said, stop. This is a usurpation of our state’s rights, stop. And I don’t even think he probably got them or he probably would have, but Homeland Security wasn’t interested in stopping. And so now here we are at a time where some airports are handing out these little white pieces of paper with black text on them telling you when the deadline is.
Twila Brase: And I have read part of this new proposed rule that has just come out. And the language is interesting because it’s really talking about how they’re going to be flexible. And I just want to read you one thing that they say here, DHS, that’s Department of Homeland Security expects individuals who may not be aware the deadline to be incentivized to obtain a compliant driver’s license when they experience the consequences of enforcement during the phase enforcement period, individuals will experience varying levels of consequences including warning notices and progressive enforcement as part of a phase enforcement plan or full enforcement where agencies transition to full enforcement on the deadline of May 7th, 2025. These consequences will incentivize individuals who experienced them to obtain a real id. So you see the government and the government says in this that they thought about a two, three or five year flexibility period and they decided on two because they really want to make this happen.
Twila Brase: And so I think they’re really serious about it. I think they’re doing it now because it’s like 50 days before the election, they’re asking for public comment By October 15th, just 27 days from today, all your listeners should comment, we put it on our website, a place for you to just click. And you can even write a comment as simple as I won’t comply with real id. This is unconstitutional because of course it’s, and you can write one sentence, you can write tons of paragraphs, whatever you want to write. But just go to our homepage@cchfreedom.org. There’s a slider on the top that moves from thing to thing. And the second thing up there will be the real ID with the link. Just click make your comment. There’s a green button. Once you get to the federal site, there’s a green button that says publish official comment or something. Just click and just write a sentence or two or whatever you want because they’re trying to do this when we’re all looking at the election. And I really think Obama is probably behind all of this wanting to make sure it gets done before a new administration would get in just in case Trump gets in.
Sam Rohrer: I would agree with you on that. But ladies and gentlemen, I want to repeat what I had shared earlier. The UK and the EU are saying now and have been for a couple weeks anyways, that actually sometime before that, but within 90 days, the actual date as of short time ago wasn’t actually established, but within 90 days it’s going to be yet this year. And they’re planning a hard enforcement. You will not move from country to country unless you submit things often happen there and then they come here. I’m not sure if the wind blows from the west to the east or the east to the west, it’s blowing both directions. But very clearly the West Europe, EU, United States appear to be in the final stages of implementing this thing called Real id, but it’s a digital id. I actually just sent to Twila a little bit ago a picture from LAX airport where they’re actually moving in and have a line there.
Sam Rohrer: It says Digital id. And in just five minutes you can just walk through, you don’t have an id, you just takes your biometrics, your picture and all that. This is exactly the type of thing that we’re talking about. So with that being said, we’re going to give some things that you can be doing further in the next segment. But let’s go back here again. Right now these regs are being pushed through October 15th. I looked through that. I agree with you, Twilight. They’re trying to push it through before the election where people are looking at other things. But on your website again, where can people go to add just a simple comment about what they think about this? I think that is really one of the good things that people can do.
Twila Brase: So they should go to cch freedom.org, cch freedom.org. At the very top of our homepage, we’ve got some things that roll, you know how that happens on a website. And the second thing that rolls, it says something like Stop Real id. And then you just have a link right in there that you can use to make that comment. So we get you directly to the page. And on there is a green button on the federal government’s register. It says submit a formal comment, it’s a green button with those words, submit a formal comment in white embedded in that green button. So you just click on that green button and submit. It’s really simple to do. It’s really important to do with HIPAA. We got like 50,000 comments opposing HIPAA back when, and of course they didn’t want to go that direction, but we need more than 50,000 comments.
Sam Rohrer: Yes we do. And ladies, and gentlemen, at the end of the day. Will it do any good? I don’t know. But it’s sure not going to do any harm. And it’s one thing that can be done easily done. And by going to the CCH freedom website, you can do that easily. Stay with us, we’ll be back. And we’re going to talk about now proactive things as well that can be done. Of which Twila, you are leading the way among the wedge and other things also. Well, as we go into the final segment now, just a thank you for those who are listening or part of the program. Thank you for those this week who have written to us, partnered with us financially, those in prayer, the financial part generally I can become aware of that, of the prayer part. I don’t know. And I hope that there are millions listening right now who are praying.
Sam Rohrer: But if you are, let us know. It’s an encouragement. We need to encourage each other in the communication of truth. And I hope that when you hear things on this program that are of benefit to you, connect some dots. Perhaps you never had the lights come on, that you thank the Lord for that. You let us know about it. You help us financially and in prayers that we can continue. And then you tell a friend, such as this program today, practical things coming our way. And we’re going to conclude with that. So anyways, just share that with you briefly and let’s get back into it. Twila the web of control, we’ve talked about it, the plummeting trust, the lack of privacy, the coming down the road, this digital id, real id, all these things we’re talking about are all things that are a part of exercising control.
Sam Rohrer: It’s a web and it’s been just like a spider that lays its web, it anchors in one part and then it anchors in another and then it anchors in a corner. I actually, ladies and gentlemen, one night at in Ohio where I grew up, lived on a farm there, I actually saw a spider spin a web from an electric line that went from our house to the barn. Then it was about 10 feet off the ground, that spider jumped and threw a web 10 foot on one side, went back up the web through it, about 10 foot on the other side and in the course of a couple of hours, built a web that encompassed that entire area from the ground to that wire. It was an incredible thing to watch. But what we’re talking about is exactly the same way government’s been throwing the web.
Sam Rohrer: An ungodly government, people with no fear of God who are more interested in control have been throwing a web, laying down a web and it’s about control. That’s what it is. Now with that being said, what’s clear is that this squeeze is not just here in America, it’s global. We are seeing that it’s becoming so undeniably obvious, but to me this squeeze requires two responses at least. And Twila, here are the two that I think, and if you want to add to them, that’s fine. But here’s one. One is that we need those of us who are aware of that need wisdom and courage as to when to say no, even in the face of costly retribution or intimidation. And the second thing is we need strategies to pursue on the positive side, alternatives that preserve and encourage freedom. So those two things. So let me just throw a couple questions to here. Twi your response to this first one, and that is when to say no. Here’s my specific question. What areas in your opinion are imminent where the average citizen will face the choice of complying and saying no, such as we saw with the Covid shot that put us all on notice right there on that one and may now well be with the upcoming real id. What would be those things that you’re seeing that impact perhaps our freedom, certainly, but certainly our health freedom.
Twila Brase: So I just have to interject because you started talking about spiders and cobwebs. So on the very front of my desk, I have a banner and it says, it’s an Ethiopian proverb and it says, when spiderwebs are woven together, they can tie up a lion. So the American people are lions, they have been lions, but they are being tied up. And if they don’t realize it, it’s no time like the present to figure that out. And so in the answer to your question about imminent, there is no freedom without privacy. I don’t know if your people really understand that, but your listeners. But really, if you don’t have privacy, that is really the foundation of freedom. And so if you lose your privacy rights, if other people can track you profile, you, monitor you, you have no freedom. So everything having to do with privacy is imminent.
Twila Brase: So when you go into the doctor’s office and they say, you have to fill out this intrusive questionnaire, are you just bowing and doing it or are you standing up and saying no? And so I at least want to tell your listeners that they should go to our homepage. At the bottom of our homepage is something called helpful handouts. And one of those is what we call our discharge instructions. And it has six different ways that you can protect yourself and refuse these kind of things in the exam room, but also questions and things to ask your legislators to do. And really this is a time where you have to tell your legislators, your state legislators, that they have to start standing up for you and they have to start doing it in the area of privacy, from real ID to driver’s licenses to national patient id to electronic health records, to health information systems. Because these are all working together to lay and secure the web. And this is a time for choosing and really it is all about preventing them from being able to tie you up through your data.
Sam Rohrer: Alright, and just because of time I got to shift, let’s go to the proactive actions. You’re doing a lot of things you call the wedge encouraging people to pay cash with their doctors. What are a couple of things that are best? Everybody can’t do everything. What can they do though, on the proactive side?
Twila Brase: Well, on the proactive side, but beyond the current thing, which has to do with stopping the real id, they can of course encourage their doctors to go free and get onto our wedge of Health Freedom. They can ask our seven questions for state legislators to figure out where they are at these. And we have that as well in the helpful handouts. They should be bringing these issues to their legislators. They should be bringing these issues to their friends. They should engage everybody. They should have webinars about real id. They should put it on their Facebook. They should, if they’ve got a group, bring me in or somebody else to talk about and engage your people. It is a difficult time right now with the election. But the other thing is we’ve got this two-sided document on our website talking about the Walz and Harris campaign as well as the Trump and Vance campaign. And so giving you the top 10 things you need to know about healthcare, and you should share those with everybody so that they can see actually the things that these four individuals have done in the area of healthcare. And you can engage your neighbors, you can educate your neighbors and give them something that they should think about before they go voting.
Sam Rohrer: Alright, and with that, Twila, perfect. Ladies and gentlemen, we’re at the end. Twila, thanks so much for being with us today. Here again, ladies and gentlemen, that website, CCH freedom.org and on matters of healthcare, I encourage you to go there. It is the very best place to go for matters of healthcare. So CCH freedom.org. But as I said, we really have two things coming our way. I hope that you are praying for wisdom and courage when to say no. We’re going to have decisions coming before us soon. Real id. You’re not going to get on a plane unless you submit. You’re not going to be able to use cash anymore. You’ve got to use something else, a digital id. All these things that are coming our way, we have to be very, very careful. We share this information to give us all knowledge as we can, but we really need God’s wisdom and I pray for that. I trust that you are as well. Thanks for being with us today. Here on Stand In the Gap Today. Go to our website, stand in the gap radio.com. Get this information, this program, forward it to a friend, let them know that you have found good information here today.
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