Ask Sam: Election Week

Ask Sam: Election Week

Nov. 8, 2024

Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett

Guest: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/8/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Isaac Crockett:   Well, welcome to Stand In the Gap. I’m Isaac Crockett, joined by the Honorable Sam Rohr, the president of the American Pastors Network, and on this Friday edition of Stand In the Gap, we just want to go to Sam, ask him some questions and get an overview of what we’ve been talking about this week. As you can guess, throughout the week, we’ve been talking about the first couple of days, the upcoming election, the election was going on, but then the results of that election, and not looking at it like any other political pundit from that point of view, but looking at it as Christians, what Christians played, but what part God had in all of this. We know that in control and that he ultimately is the one that even controls the heart of the kings and of the electorate and so many special things that we’ve seen come to fruition, Sam.

Isaac Crockett:   So I’d just like to talk about this. We’ve also had a really exciting week. This is our first week at Stand in the Gap to be broadcasting where you just came back from Sam in Nairobi, you and Dr. Gary Dull. It’s been broadcast in Nairobi, Uganda, and some other parts of Africa, which is maybe another a hundred million or something people, the footprint that could listen to that. So Sam, with so many things going on, maybe you could just kind of on this last day of the week, give us sort of a synopsis, an overview of the programming from this week and how that fit into the news of the week.

Sam Rohrer:       Yeah, yeah, Isaac, I can just briefly and then you can follow up with some perspectives on it as well. But this being an election year, and it’s been a theme throughout all the programs this year and this week rather, and it’s why we’re talking about it today, and that is that when the United States, it’s often said when the United States coughs, the entire world gets a cold. The United States, our nation has played an inordinate role. I mean a much larger, bigger than life role around the nations of the world actually since World War II, when we became really the mechanism for victory in that World War. And from that, I’m going to say God allowed this nation to play and even more pivotable role economically. I think before that we were playing a role perhaps in terms of integrity and morality and sending missionaries around the world and the communication of truth.

Sam Rohrer:       After that, it seemed that we then became definitely a leader because our dollar became the driver of the world currency. Economically. We began to drive and things also changed here in our nation after that period of time. But in any regard with all of that, the world was watching. As we were watching here, the world was watching what came from this election, and as you knew when you went to Pakistan some time ago and visited, and I was in Africa, it never ceases to amaze me how much other people in other countries know about going on here. Sometimes even more than we know what’s going on. But that being the case, the world was watching, we were watching. So this week has really been an attempt to take different perspectives with regular guests. Monday was JR McGee. We took a geopolitical view of the looking before the election, talking about countries and alliances that were coming together as we’re seeing Iran, Russia, and China as an example, lining up against the United States, talked about how our esteem around the world has been so lessened and harmed during particularly these last four years.

Sam Rohrer:       But before that as well, on Tuesday, then honorable Jeff Coleman and I discussed, he was a former representative in the Pennsylvania house, on Tuesday. We did not know what the election was going to be. So we went from a perspective of what can we know? How should we approach an election that actually may give us somebody who is extraordinarily dangerous, a Kamala who was threatening everything good and religious freedom and everything, how should we respond? And we settled in that discussion on the fact that God raises up and God puts down as believers, we cannot be apathetic. But on the other hand, according to the apostle Paul and Philippians, neither should we be anxious, but take it to the Lord in prayer. God will raise up and put down those that fit his criteria. Then on Wednesday, Dr. Carl Broggi was with me, and we pursued this election and results, which we knew at that point, but in terms of how God works with nations generally, and we tied it into Israel, which was our Israel focus, because God says, those who bless Israel, bless those who curse Israel, and we and the Trump team and all of that were really supportive of Israel.

Sam Rohrer:       Is that partly why God answered the prayer that way? I don’t know. But we dealt with that issue from an Israel prophecy perspective and God’s bigger plan for the nations and how he, and even in this election is working out his plan. Then yesterday, David knew from a constitutional perspective, there took just the slice of saying, all right, a lot of consequences arise from elections, particularly ones like this where a president wins the electoral college and the popular vote and therefore has more of a mandate. And so we talked about its implications and consequences for judicial action and what may take place with the courts and things related to that. And then not a day it brings us to this. So this week has really been different perspectives of the same event. Some looking before to it and then some now looking back to it. But fundamentally, from a biblical worldview perspective, we can say that God is in charge better for us when we get on board with how he is viewing things, not trying to fit God into how we would like things to be.

Isaac Crockett:   And Sam, we’ve had some really interesting talks, especially on our Friday programs about this year, 2024 being the year of election, not just in America, but really starting from the end of December 23, all the way through now across the globe has been, I hate to use this word too much, but an unprecedented number of global elections and people being put into power and things. We also looked at the importance of the vice presidents on both campaigns and things like that, and of Harris who was vice president taking over for Biden. So a lot of really interesting things that we have been talking about that came, this was really the highlight of it all this week. Just out of curiosity, we just got a couple moments before our first break. Did you stay up to watch all of the election results come in for president? And then what was your response when you saw those results?

Sam Rohrer:       In reality, Isaac, I did not stay up until the wee hours of the morning because I knew that when I woke up in the morning, I would know what took place and I had to get up early in order to work on the program. But I had an inclination, I thought of what was happening, and I said publicly before the election, there was a surprise that I had, but I felt that if there was a just election and I prayed, I prayed that the election, that God would make it clear one way or the other. But I did not. In my own spirit, I did not, and I thought Trump would win, and that seemed to be where the momentum was. But here’s where I was surprised. I did not expect that the conclusion of that would be basically well uncontested. I didn’t think that it would be that clear maybe to where my faith was not strong enough. So the fact that there’s not a contesting and we were able to really know the result and pretty much everybody agree the day afterward, that part was a surprise to me.

Isaac Crockett:   Well, and that is a blessing of the Lord, that the presidential part is not being contested now, I think Senate and congressional seats that could take weeks to work out because it’s taking so long to count them, and some of them are so close, you’ll see them calling for recounts and things. So lots of interesting things going on. When we come back, we want to come back and talk to you, Sam, about some of the changes going on in the electorate. A lot of things have been looked at and talked about by pundits, but we want to look at this again from a biblical worldview and just take this kind of at face value and see where our nation is headed. So a lot to talk about when we come back on Stand in the Gap today. Welcome back to the program. We’re having an Ask Sam program where we’re just picking your brain, Sam, on the things that we’ve talked about, the discussions throughout this week on this program.

Isaac Crockett:   And of course, it all kind of goes around the election, this idea that elections have consequences, what in a lot of ways, is very good news for our nation. When you look at the two choices, I’m not saying that you and others on this program haven’t pointed out problems and issues with both parties and with all the different candidates, especially for president, but the Harris Walz ticket had a lot of problems and very few silver linings that we were pointing to. And so seeing even just from the exit polling results of seeing the numbers and the percentages of evangelical Christians that came out, we were very concerned about that. We were sounding the alarm here throughout Pennsylvania, throughout the country about that issue. But something I found very interesting, Sam, if you go back to 2020, New York and Florida, both east coast, northeast coast, southeast coast, they both had almost the exact same population.

Isaac Crockett:   They both had 29 electoral college votes, and they had the same number, I think of congressional representatives at 2020 when they did all the counting, the census and things change. And there was such a big outflowing from some of the Northeastern states, particularly New York, especially New York City. People were migrating out of New York. Where were they going? They were going southeast, especially Florida. So New York actually lost a point on electoral college. So they went from 29 to 28 points, and Florida picked up a point in electoral college, they actually went to 30. And I think the same thing happened with congressional representatives. I think New York actually lost a representative. Anyways, there was a lot of fear in the southeast, and I have family in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and a lot of them are saying, oh, all these people from the Northeast, all these Yankees, all these New Yorkers are moving in.

Isaac Crockett:   And what they were afraid of is that that might change the electorate in those southern states. I found it very interesting. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, all voted for Trump in this last election. And so Sam, this fear, especially in Florida, Florida seems to have gotten more conservative. Many people are accrediting Governor Ron DeSantis for that. But I’m just curious, what do you think when you look at what happened in Florida and some of these southeastern states that have received so many new people from the north, why do you think Florida has gone the direction that they have gone, if anything, seemingly, to get more conservative on the political side of things,

Sam Rohrer:       Isaac, I don’t know that I have any profound answer on that other than the fact that people often vote with their feet. And so to me, the idea is that when state policies and state legislation laws get to the point where it becomes oppressive and people feel that their vote at the ballot box doesn’t make any difference, ultimately people end up moving with their feet. I mean, in some cases, I’ll go all the way back to the Puritans. When they came from Holland, it was a tough circumstance where they were, and the ultimate didn’t have a vote, they couldn’t. So they moved to a new country and took the risk of starting something new. People have moved significantly, for instance, from California to Texas that has, and I don’t know that number is worth analyzing to see whether who moved from there, but I did note in Texas that Ted Cruz won, but he thought he was going to lose, and he only won by 51%.

Sam Rohrer:       So it was 52% very close. So bottom line, I think Isaac, is that people evidence disgruntlement and they ultimately will do what they need to do to survive, and that means moving. And so a lot of them did move from New York to Florida. But why did Florida go significantly for Trump? I don’t know. Maybe enough didn’t move from New York, and maybe it was the conservatives of New York that moved to Florida. I don’t know. I don’t know. We’re going to talk about this a little bit later, but Florida was a state, one of the 10 states that had abortion referendum on their ballot. Now, people may know or may not know, we’ll talk more about it. Florida defeated that referendum. So as a state, they’ve decided not to give a constitutional right to kill an unborn baby, but here’s the number I’ll just throw in. At this point, 57% of those who voted in Florida voted to make abortion a constitutional right, 57%, way more than the average in way more than most of the other states that did pass it.

Sam Rohrer:       The only reason that Florida did not pass it was that they required a 60% referendum in order to pass it. So it’s not like a majority that didn’t majority vote in Florida they did. Now, who are those people? There are some dichotomies I think that we’re seeing across the country. There was a moral position a way more than majority. 57% said effectively to God, we’re going to modify what you say about life, but they chose to vote politically conservative for Trump. There’s a lot of analysis out of these numbers, Isaac, I think that yet need to be made. And that’s just one I noted, but I haven’t fully worked all of that out yet.

Isaac Crockett:   Yeah, there’s a lot of numbers. I’d love to pick your brain on, Sam, just because of your background and your experience, but let’s go down there. Let’s talk about abortion. A lot of conservatives believe that perhaps some of these states were purposely putting abortion out there. Like in New York, we had a proposition one

Isaac Crockett:   That it was vague terms, but it was expanding abortion rights and transgender rights basically. Interestingly enough, at the first look, it looked like actually New York had a lower percentage voting for that proposition than Florida did. It’s just New York. They just had to win a basic majority, I think when all the ballots came in and ended up being closer to 60% of New York voted for it. But I am wondering what you think about this. What does that show us? Even though there was a turnout where popular vote went to Trump and the Republicans, it still, we saw a lot of states going pro-abortion on these propositions and amendments.

Sam Rohrer:       And I think Isaac, before we went into this election knowing these votes before the people were on the ballot, in my mind, I’m saying there are two things that I’m interested in looking at. One is obviously how are they going to vote politically for president? The other was how are the people of this nation in these 10 states going to vote for God’s definition of morality in what is right and true? And that’s what we’re talking about right now. So to me, on one hand, I’m very highly glad that those states, and I think of the 10 states, there were seven of them actually that voted to install abortion as a right. But of them, I think about half of them voted for Trump also. So there was a split. So like Florida, they’re the majority. They defeated that, but a majority of them voted for abortion.

Sam Rohrer:       So the majority of those 10 states passed. They have adopted abortion. Killing a baby is a lawful action now according to their state constitution. Now what does that mean? Well, what that means is they had to have decided that God’s definition of the sixth command, thou shalt not kill thou shalt not murder of which killing a baby is. And there’s another way to look at it from God’s perspective, they would’ve had to have said, I’m going to vote for this guy Donald Trump in advance because I don’t like the Kamala, but I’m going to disagree with God and I’m going to make my own determination relative to the value of life. I think Isaac, there’s no way to interpret that, and it is highly, highly problematic. A vote for politically conservative direction from a policy perspective is a good idea. But voting to tell God that his definition of morality regarding the most basic life is very problematic, and I think the consequences of that vote have not yet been felt. But when I combine that action on the abortion, on the vote on Tuesday with the states that in 2022, all but one there, South Dakota or Kentucky in 2022, there are 16 states now that have had that before them and all but two of them, Kentucky and South Dakota, really the majority of the people in all those other states have said abortion killing babies is fine with us. And it’s a high priority that is problematic. And as I say, the consequences, Isaac morally from God’s perspective, I do not think has yet been felt.

Tim Schneider:   And

Sam Rohrer:       I do not think that one can interpret a voting against God to be a blessing of God. And God’s saying, I blessed America by raising up Donald Trump and I’m overlooking the vote of those states in the preexisting ones telling me that killing babies is all right. This is a dichotomy, this is a problem. And I think it bears further discussion perhaps than another program.

Isaac Crockett:   You’re right. I think we could do a whole program just on the prevailing culture in our nation. And one of the things I think, Sam, and this is just anecdotally speaking of somebody who’s been in the public schools. I grew up in a Christian school and I homeschool, but I think that education, education is influencing the next generation that most of our Americans grow up being educated in a secular education that tells them these things are okay, and we need people to stand up and say like, Joshua, as for me and my house, we’re going to serve the Lord. There’s a Getty music song that my ki just sang at church with Cochrane and Company. It helped write it with Getty Music, and as for me, it’s a Christian anthem that we’re going to take back our Christian homes and from there be salt and light.

Isaac Crockett:   So much more to talk about. So many more questions for Sam on Ask Sam Friday. We’ll be right back on Stand in the Gap today. Well, welcome back to the program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett, joined by the Honorable Sam Rohr. We’ve been doing a lot of discussion, kind of overview of the week, not just the election, especially the election, but just the discussions we’ve been having here on Stand In the Gap this week about the election, about the consequences and about where our country is headed. The good as the Old Western was called, the good, the bad, and the ugly. There is a lot of good, but there’s still a lot of ugly things, a lot of sinful things going on in our culture, and we just took a break to hear from some of our partners. Before I go back to asking Sam more questions, I’d love to hear from our own producer, Tim Schneider, some of the resources and things that we have available right here through Stand in the Gap media.org. So Tim,

Tim Schneider:   Thank you, Isaac. Good afternoon to everybody. Well, we’re asking questions today. You mainly are asking questions of Sam Isaac, but I will go ahead and ask a question of the audience. Do you find yourself too busy to listen to the whole Stand in the Gap Today show? Well, did you know that we have shorter audio segments of somewhere between two and 11 minutes covering various topics discussed Understanding in the Gap Today radio program? We call these podcast q and as. These are podcasts, which are good for listeners who desire to hear a short segment on a certain topic. We have many different topics we cover in these podcast Q as biblical worldview, the Constitution, current events, cultural issues, finances, many, many different podcast q and as you can find the whole show in our archives if you desire after hear a podcast q and a, go back and listen to the whole thing.

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Isaac Crockett:   Thank you very much Tim. And Tim does so much work behind the scenes making these things possible. And so yeah, I would highly encourage you get to stand in the gap media.org or go to our Facebook page, our YouTube page. Or better yet, just download our app. I know I’ve met just tons of people this last year that have downloaded the app and been able to use that. I love using that app. You have access to the audio files, video files, transcripts. Just recently I put something out on Facebook on my social media, maybe on Twitter too, of just one of those podcast q and a’s with the Reverend Kyle Paisley, his father was Dr. Ian Paisley of Ireland. And just a neat short thing where he was talking about how our prayers behind what’s going on in the pulpit and we’re not going to see anything without it was a really nice quote and a short two, three minute part.

Isaac Crockett:   And we all have time to listen to that, to share that with people, even if people don’t have time to take close to an hour to listen to the entire program, but then people could go back and listen. Well, alright, so Sam, this election, as you said, you were praying that it would be clear hoping and praying that Trump would beat Harris because of many, many things that don’t align biblically with the Harris Waltz campaign. But you were praying that whatever the outcome was, that it would be a very clear thing so that the country wouldn’t be so divided and God answered that prayer made it very clear and you said even surprised you how clear of a victory it was. Many people are calling this because President Trump actually won the popular vote, which he did a lot of interesting things holding a big rally in New York City at Madison Square Garden, putting himself out there on all these podcasts, big name podcasters like Joe Rogan and many others where you go on sometimes two or three hours just talking without a script.

Isaac Crockett:   That is not easy for any politician to do. It’s incredible what he was doing there, working at McDonald’s, going in the garbage truck, all these interesting memes that we’re able to put out there I think helped him. But as we look at the numbers, Sam, I’m seeing about 73 million and maybe it’ll go up from there. When all the states get, every single ballot counted 73 million votes for Trump, which is about 51% or something. Harris had, I don’t know, 47% or something, about 68 million. So it’s 141 million voters. You add some of the independents and write-ins, maybe another million votes, 142 million, maybe a little bit more than that. And from what I’ve read, there are 262 million Americans of a voting age. So we’re talking about 120 million that didn’t even vote, almost as many that didn’t vote as did vote, and a little over half of those voted for Trump. Sam, what significance do you see in those numbers when we look at how many people out of our whole nation actually really voted for Trump

Sam Rohrer:       Isaac, one thing I know from being in office and running statewide a couple of times here in Pennsylvania is that, and it’s part of the problem with the whole integrity of the voting process, is that there are lot of people on the voting roll, for instance, that are not purged. There are many dead people on the roll as an example. The integrity of the roles of those who are registered is not, I would say a convincing answer of those who are of the voting age, as you were talking there, who have never voted. Well, there are a lot, there’s a segment of people, some religious people who don’t think there ought to be involved. There are others, many who frankly don’t care. Those who may live on the streets, I don’t know. There are a lot of people who could because they are of the right age, but have not.

Sam Rohrer:       Now, my opinion on that is, well, so be it. If they do not care, then frankly they shouldn’t vote. One of the things that our founders very, very clearly said was that they said informed citizens. So if a person is not informed, they ought not vote, in my opinion, because the sacred thing is not the vote. The sacred thing is an informed vote that votes according to some standards. And the standards are God’s morality. Is this individual a righteous individual that fears God? Because if he doesn’t, what he does in office is going to be very, very bad. When the evil are in positions of authority, the people mourn. When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice. So there is a moral evaluation. So if a person does not care, does not know, does not want to evaluate better, that they do not vote, in my opinion, and I think the framers would agree to that.

Sam Rohrer:       The other is a constitution. We are a constitutional republic, and regardless of what the Kamala’s and the world in the left kept saying, democracy, democracy, that is an indication for anyone who is informed to say, I’m not even going to listen to you anymore because you are dead wrong. You are in violation of everything that our nation stands for. We are not a democracy. We are a representative republic and our founders worked very, very hard so that we did not fall into the trap of a democracy which always ends in the trampling of the rights of the minority and always end in some form of tyranny. And they knew that. So I’m saying that’s why our founders said informed voters. So the fact that somebody’s old enough to vote does not mean that they are wise enough and better if they don’t understand morality in the constitution to dilute the votes of those who do go. Our goal ought to be inform our voters of what it means to be moral, what it requires in order for a nation to be blessed and what it means to be a constitutional republic and to put people in office who will protect that. Now that would be a fantastic goal and I’d like to measure those people. Those people need to get out and vote.

Isaac Crockett:   Yes, yes, yes. That would be great. Well, alright, real quickly, we have this interesting thing going on where President Trump was president then he doesn’t win, then he wins again. This hasn’t happened and I think over a century and a half, meanwhile he’s got court cases being litigated against him and things. What do you think from somebody who’s been a long time in politics, what do you think we can expect from the Trump Vance team coming into these weeks leading up to the inauguration January 20th, and maybe any advice of what you think they ought to do?

Sam Rohrer:       Well, I think this Isaac, yeah, 150 years, Grover Cleveland was the only other guy 150 years ago that had a break between his terms of office. So this is unique, number one. Number two, when somebody goes back in after having been charged in the courts with allegations of criminal activity, which I believe everyone knows not to be true, this is an example of lawfare. This is an inappropriate use of the Department of Justice in the FBI in the court system. I think people were convinced when they watched it, this was nonsense. Obviously you’ve got an individual that was impeached twice who in the world can imagine a president being impeached and then put back in office unless the people were also smart enough to know that this was a law fair. This was a political activity geared to not based on justice. I think in light of all of that thing that people have spoken, the people did not speak and say we want a criminal in office.

Sam Rohrer:       That’s not what they said. Absolutely not. But what they did say is that we are tired of government lying to us interpreting truth what they want to be and using the system to penalize their enemies, which is exactly what has been happening. So I think that Trump and the team now goes back in having the benefit of four years of experience before knowing what worked, knowing what they should have done but didn’t do. Now coming back with a quote mandate, I think they go back into office with a great deal of zeal and I think that’s probably a good thing.

Isaac Crockett:   Alright, a good thing. Well a really good thing would be to see national revival in our nation. So we’re going to take a quick break, listen to some of our partners, come back and I want to talk to Sam about what it would look like if our country were to see a true revival. Is this the beginning of it? There’s a lot of questions about this. We don’t have time to ask all of them, but I want to talk to Sam about that. Are we on the verge? Possibly? Did this show us something and what would national revival look like? We’ll be right back on Standing the Gap today. Alright, well Sam, as we go to you to ask the last question or two before our program ends, president Trump has promised Christians that he’s going to have our back, that he’s going to give us a place at the table so to speak, that he’s going to protect Christian rights.

Isaac Crockett:   And very frankly speaking, as somebody who lives in New York State, I live in a very conservative part, but our state is not, that sounds good to me because my own governor, Kathy Hochul, right before the election, she came out with, there’s this prop one, that proposition in New York that was expanding abortion rights and transgender rights and things like that. And she said, and this is according to the New York Post article, that anybody who did not vote for it was evil and they were part of the forces of darkness. She actually went on, I’m quoting from her, she said, don’t let them win. Do not let darkness win over light. Don’t let bad evil win over good. That’s what she’s saying about people who didn’t want to vote for this pro-abortion, pro transgender stuff. She went on and said, anybody who voted Republican, this was a few days later that they were anti-woman and anti-American un-American.

Isaac Crockett:   And I do kind of fear what could happen in parts of our country like New York. And so to hear a president say that he wants to protect that, that’s exciting. But there are many faith leaders and Christian leaders who are saying this momentum politically could also become spiritual momentum too. It could be. But there are some who seem to be saying that this is evidence of a revival political conservatism. What everyone say, this election outcome is evidence of a revival. I wonder what you would say about that, especially those who claim that this is signs of a great awakening. Some are calling it a third great awakening. I’d just be interested what you think about that. And then actually a second question, I’ll go ahead and ask you, what would true biblical revival in America look like? You’ve written a lot about this. We have our whole return to God. There’s video, whole website about that, a book about that. Just I’d love for you to speak to those.

Sam Rohrer:       Isaac. The only one who can answer, I believe that question directly in a full comprehensive fashion is the Lord himself. Now, I’m not going to say that as a way of escaping, answering your question. However, it is only the Lord who knows both our heart, who and witnesses our actions and our choices and our deeds. I am able only to look about at those in what they say, in what they do. I’m not a judge of a person’s heart. However, that being the case, I believe, and as we talked about on the program on Wednesday with Dr. Brogue, it would pay believers to take great caution in interpreting how and be careful how we interpret that, which we, I would say, would all who love freedom would say, I feel much more relaxed with a potential Trump administration than I would with a Kamala Harris who was very clear out in front in saying that they were going to go right after religious freedom and violate the Second Amendment and all of those kind of things.

Sam Rohrer:       Now, so I do feel easier that way, but can we interpret it? Can we interpret the fact that God clearly we now know God has raised up Trump in Vance. Do we know for sure why he has done that? No, I think we have to be careful about that because did God raise up a Trump in advance? Because America today manifest a greater love for God today, a greater fear of God today than Monday before the election? Or have we manifested an agreement with God that we are going to say, no Lord, you are the determiner and the definer of that which is morality. Well, take us back to our abortion thing. I would say, no, we got a problem because people voted for that, which is politically conservative, but in direct violation of the will of God. So we’ve got a conflict here. So why did God do this?

Sam Rohrer:       I don’t know. I don’t know. But I would be hard pressed to say that America today is in a state of significant spiritual revival or because we were, and God blessed because of that. I don’t know. We can come to that conclusion. On the other hand, we can all conclude biblically that because God raises up and puts down that Trump Vance team is in fact an evidence that God raised him up because that’s his prerogative. Now, is it because that perhaps the Republicans and Trump Vance are clearly more supportive of Israel than the other side and God says, those who blessed of me, I will bless. That’s a national perspective. And those who curse Israel, of course, is it because of that? Well, it very well could be. On the other hand, do we know yet what’s going to unfold in the next weeks in the months?

Sam Rohrer:       Because in God’s greater plan, a raising up of a Trump Vance is going to take American policy, not just towards Israel, but towards the nations world differently than what a Kamala Harris would. And in God’s plan of working out end times prophecy relative that focuses on Israel, do we yet know how that will be? And will we find out more down the road why God did what he did? I’m going to say probably yes. So probably all three of those are partially true, but I think we have to be very careful in saying, well, because God did this, that certain things are definitely the case, that the revival is going to happen or America is going to come back to God. At the same time, American people voted for abortion as an example. So I don’t think that we can say with certainty, but I do know this, that God’s people need to be more fervent in prayer now than we were before the election. And I think we need to be more focused on doing exactly what God says we need to do. That would lead to revival. And that is are we more concerned about holy living? Can we define it?

Sam Rohrer:       Can we define what God says about truth and not compromising it on all matters of morality and public policy and everything? And are we more concerned about what God says about us than perhaps what somebody in office who even we would prefer, like a Trump administration having a commendation from them and having a trip to Washington and say, oh, thank you guys and having a commendation from an earthly person. Are we more concerned about that than we are concerned about what God will say and will he say, well done, good and faithful servant, which is related to fearing God and keeping his commandments. These are the things I believe that will determine whether or not out of this could come a return to God or a return to the same thing that we’ve been having, which is trusting far more in self and pragmatism rather than God’s truth and obedience and a fear of God. So that’s how I would just answer a long answer to your short question. But it’s a great question

Isaac Crockett:   And I think that’s the answer we need to remember. We need to think about, and the question you asked for us to be asking ourselves, and I concerned about what God says about me, what would God say about what I’m doing, how I’m responding to the election and so forth, and what our country is doing. And you were mentioning how our country had become a great country sending out missions to places like Kenya and Pakistan, places we’ve been and about a hundred years ago, not quite a hundred years, the dollar became stronger and things. But can we become a truly biblically great nation spiritually seeing a true revival that is something we want to continue to pray for. Well, we’re almost done, Sam, do you want to just close us quickly now in prayer as we finish our program?

Sam Rohrer:       Sure. Isaac. Dear heavenly Father, we thank you Lord for the freedom that you have given us to be on this platform of truth. Lord, guide those who know you to embrace the truth and with courage to fear you and stand upon your commandments for your glory. We pray, in Jesus’ name, amen.

Isaac Crockett:   Amen. For the glory of the Lord. What a great way to pray and close this program and to close this consequential week that we’ve seen. Thank you for listening. We wouldn’t be here without you listening, without your prayer support and financial support as well. Thank you so much. Until next time, I’m asking that you will remember to stand in the gap for truth wherever you are today.