The Climate Cult: Let the Truth Be Known

The Climate Cult: Let the Truth Be Known

Nov. 26, 2024

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Bodie Hodge

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/26/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:       Hello and welcome to this Tuesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And for most people, this very busy week of Thanksgiving, my stand in the Gap Minute program, this is Stand in the Gap Today we have three programs, as you have said many times, stand in the Gap weekend today, this one and then the minute program you’ll hear within this program and you generally do about two times. But this week I’m emphasizing this matter of Thanksgiving and the importance of being thankful, not just on Thanksgiving Day, but that we embrace an attitude of gratitude every day. You know the greatest antidote to the grievous sin of pride, which God says that in Proverbs six 17, it says He hates and the greatest antidote to the evil of idolatry, which between that and shedding innocent blood are the two primary reasons God brings national judgment on every nation.

Sam Rohrer:       The antidote for those, the greatest one is being grateful, being grateful to God for all the things that he brings into our life. And I’m going to say that be good times or bad times, times of plenty or even times of scarcity. It’s the apostle Paul said, I have learned in all conditions and all times to be content with effectively what God brings into my life. And as an encouragement, I share that to you. And all we’re listening here to me right now that we remind ourselves of that and I remind myself of that. And so I do it to help you and to remind myself that those of us who fear the Lord, that we are marked by the spirit of Thanksgiving every day, and one who has an attitude of gratitude at all times, not just on one day. So that being said, in keeping with the spirit of thanking God for who he is and how he provides for us in so many ways, I’ve asked Bodie Hodge, who’s now the President and CEO of Biblical Authority Ministries, formerly he was with Answers in Genesis for many years as a lead speaker and writer and researcher.

Sam Rohrer:       I’ve asked him to join me today and I’m thankful for him for his expertise in many areas. One being the area of creation and physical sciences, but one of the most recurring driving philosophies, driving things we talk about here, political policy considerations, a lot of headline news, election considerations. These were part of debates even in the last election. They’re a great part of investment strategies of major companies. And they’re also, I’m going to say the motivations for the greed of war and conflict, economic calculations as well, and even religious discussions. You say, what is this? Well, it’s this area called climate change, right? We hear it many different names. Whether that carries the emphasis of global freeze to global melt, fear seems to be the bottom line response with a heavy thread, believe it or not, of religiosity and worship, almost intertwined in this thinking. The title I’ve given to frame today’s discussion is this, the Climate Cult. The Climate Cult. Let the Truth Be known. And with that, Bodie, thank you for being back with me today.

Bodie Hodge:     Hey, it’s great to be back on the program.

Sam Rohrer:       Yeah, it’s great to have you back. And before we get into this matter of Climate cult and talk about that, you’ve written an article and I’m mirroring it a little bit of the title of that. You just call it the Climate Cult, and I’ve attached to it, let the Truth Be Known, which is what we’re going to try to do today. God called you to form and now lead a ministry called Biblical Authority Ministry. Just in brief, what is that and why does it exist?

Bodie Hodge:     This ministry exists to promote the authority of scripture. It’s kind of given in the name and I wanted that to come through. When I write articles, I write books. I do a lot of reviewing these types of things. What I want to do is I want to go back to scripture and let God be the absolute authority at everything. I look at, whether it’s something political, whether it’s something science, whether it’s something theology. I want to get back to God and his word. So I have a website, biblical authority ministries.org, and you can see a lot of things that have been written there. I also do a number of books. I’ve got a new book coming out called Defending God’s Existence, but I’m involved in a number of projects, do a little speaking and reviewing and all sorts of little things with the ministry. It really is exciting. And if I can ask for prayer, I would love for people to be praying for me in the ministry

Sam Rohrer:       And we will Bodie, and that’s wonderful. Okay, let’s transition now. I wanted to get a little bit of that up there in front. Let’s go into this now, the concept of climate change, be it the form of global warming or global cooling or just climate change difficulty. Many times people have classifying it. So here’s the question, is this concept a philosophy born out of science or does it come out of psychology or education or economics, politics, religion or something else? Basically, into what classification would you place this concept climate change, Bodie and why?

Bodie Hodge:     Well, I’ll tell you what, it might hit some aspects of each one of those, but one of the main ones that it comes out of, and this might surprise people, is the religious aspects of it. This is a philosophy. Yes, which is a religious philosophy specifically. The thing is a lot of people have tried to tie it to science and I think that’s what confuses a lot of people. But yeah, it is a religious movement and yet we see it all the time. It’s like you said in the last election, people are talking about it, it’s a political issue as well. So it overlaps with a host of different subjects, but the underlying the place for where it really is, it is a religion.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay, let me ask you this. A lot of people would say, well, yeah, I remember somebody like a guy named Al Gore as an example that was out there going around the world, but he was hardly a religious figure, was he? I mean, who brought into this and voices this from a religious perspective?

Bodie Hodge:     Actually I would suggest he was talking about a religious thing. Now here’s the thing, he was a political leader, he was vice president, he was a very popular person, and yet what was happening was his religious views on this were actually coming through, but it wasn’t just him. We’ve seen hosts of different people doing this throughout the past, so he’s just one of many. But a lot of times people aren’t just coming right out saying, Hey, this is a religious belief. They’re just out there promoting it as though it were some sort of truth without telling you the underlying issues of the worldview that this is coming out of. So yeah, I think there’s a little bit more to that than some people have realized.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay. Well, alright, we have just a little bit more time in this break. References that would make it, I mean obviously anything that comes before God we know as a religion that’s idolatry. So it’s idolatry for sure, but what kind of references have been made to it that would tie it into some kind of worship that you can point to?

Bodie Hodge:     Yeah. Well, what they’re doing is they’re appealing to man. They’re elevating man to be an authority above God. They’re not going to God and his word. They’re not going to the Bible, for example, to understand this issue. Instead, they’ve rejected what God has to say and by default they’re elevating man’s ideas to supersede God in his word. That is the religion of humanism in its broadest sense, and particularly it’s the secular forms of humanism.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay, although there have been a lot of people talk about worshiping Mother Earth as well, ladies and gentlemen. So it does go much broader. We’ll get further into this as a part of this whole philosophy are an awful lot of scary things that they say will happen, fearful things if you don’t do change. We’re going to talk about what some of those climate scares are. Well, if you’re just joining us today, the theme is this, the Climate Cult, the Climate Cult, let the truth be known. That’s what we’re going to try to do today. My special guest is Bodie Hodge, president and CEO of Biblical Authority Ministries, and they have a website@biblicalauthorityministries.org. While throughout human civilization, it seemed that from time to time certain philosophies have arisen designed specifically to instill fear and to scare for the purpose of, well, I guess various things, sometimes shaping people’s thoughts and modifying their behaviors, perhaps some other things in some cases when not based on truth, I’m going to say this, when in all cases when not based on truth, philosophies will always fulfill someone’s personal greed and lust for power or money.

Sam Rohrer:       They just go together. There will be a few winners and circumstances like that, but most will lose because it’s a lie. And when these philosophies can endure over generations, if they endure and they go over generational to generation, it becomes really noteworthy for many reasons. And I’m going to put in this category what we’re talking about today, this cult of climate, this climate change, and things related to that. Bodie, when I look at this, and it’s been around now since Al Gore, but he made it pop. We just talked about him briefly. We know that as King Solomon said, there’s nothing new under the sun that we as God fears should instantly approach this concept. Not as new, I’m going to say, but rather a retread or a rerun of some type. And I think you’ll talk further about that, but when I think of an earlier example that could be similar, I was trying to think back and say, when in time did something exist that seemed to be as globally embraced, that was as significant?

Sam Rohrer:       And the only thing that come to my mind, I mean I’m sure there were others, but I thought about the prevailing attitude when Columbus felt it called of God to go and explore this new world, but he had to sail against a philosophy at that point and said the world was flat and a lot of folks didn’t want to go with him because they thought they were going to sail off the edge of the ocean. And that was quite scientific view back then that that was the case. And I thought of that and I’m sure there are others, but just out of curiosity, any illustration when you were working on this climate change thing? Is there any other example like that that was once scientific prevailing that was simply not true?

Bodie Hodge:     Well, there’s been a lot of things in science that people have thought were true. And come to find out it wasn’t. One of the things that I think with my science background, I got a mechanical engineering degree. Material science was my expertise. But I think of things like steady state universe. A lot of people used to think, oh, well, the universe just went on forever and ever and ever back into the past. And of course it violated certain laws like the second law of thermodynamics, we should have run out of heat. There shouldn’t be any heat if it’s gone on forever. So once people had to start thinking about it and started looking at it, they’re like, oh, that’s not a very good idea. And that happens. There are people who floated the flat earth. There’s people who talked about all sorts of different scientific things that they’ve now had to change their minds on.

Bodie Hodge:     And I would suggest, Hey, this is an issue very similar to that. People have bought into certain ideas, they want to run with it, but it’s like, hold on, let’s step back. Let’s look at this a little more careful. Now. When we talk about the subject of climate cult, there is something that I do want to throw a caveat out there about. From a biblical viewpoint, we expect climates to have changed in the past. I want people to understand that. So when we talk about what’s going on in today’s culture about the climate cult and the way that they’re looking at it, it’s different from the way the Bible believers are looking at the past. Back in the past, everything was originally perfect. In Genesis 1 31, Adam and Eve were naked. They were told they could fill the earth and their descendants should fill the earth and they shouldn’t have to wear clothes.

Bodie Hodge:     That’s how good the climate originally was. It was just perfect. But then we see sin in the fall that affected things. We see a global flood that was a massive climate change, disaster. We’ve seen an ice age that followed the flood. We’ve seen fluctuations and so forth. But that’s not what people are talking about when they say, Hey, climate change or global warming or some of these other issues that people have tried to bring up, it’s distinctly different. What they’re trying to say is that man is causing all of this. It’s our fault. The industrial revolution, you driving your cars, you out there firing up your barbecue, or if you’ve got cows and they’re given off gas, they’re saying that’s what’s causing all this. It’s man caused. So it’s distinctly different. And there is a religious fervor behind this.

Sam Rohrer:       Now, in your article, which people can find at your website, I think biblical authority ministries.org, you have a section there about climate change scares, which then you refute with truth. Let’s go to the first one, global cooling, I think around the Al Gore days, he was talking about global cooling. What was the scare promoted by the concept of global cooling and then what is the truth?

Bodie Hodge:     Yeah, so what happened, this was occurring back in the 1970s. I remember that. Oh boy, we’re getting old, aren’t we? When I think about that?

Sam Rohrer:       No, we’re not. No, we’re not Bodie.

Bodie Hodge:     Oh, but the 1970s, there was a trend. They were looking at global temperatures. They measure it all around the earth and they saw this slight trend, 10th of a degree kind of going down and they thought, oh no, what did we do? The global temperatures going down, there’s going to be a new ice age. And people were scared about it. And it was related to all some of the other issues. There were petroleum issues and gas shortages and all sorts of things going on. Of course, the industrial revolution had been in full swing and were to a point, it was peaking in unique ways in the 1970s. And so everybody was worried there was going to be a new ice age. And I mean the doomsdayers, they were out there, people were really worried. And I mean it even hit political arenas and so forth as well back in the 1970s. So it really did scare a lot of people.

Sam Rohrer:       But the truth is it didn’t happen, right? Didn’t happen. Now the second fear you identified is global warming. Now it’s interesting, those who like to scare people, well, if one thing doesn’t work, let’s just shift and call it something else. So it went from global cooling. We’re all going to freeze and be run over by ice. That’s going to come upon us all freeze us to death. All of a sudden then now it’s global warming. So what’s the scare promoted by global warming and what’s the truth?

Bodie Hodge:     Okay, so what happened is it really, there was a shift. Those global temperatures that were going down by 10th of a degree, they start going up. And so you might think, oh, okay, well it’s right at itself. Everything’s good. No, no, no. They start going, oh no, now we’re going to go to global warming. We’re going to burn ourselves up. What did we do? And so yeah, it shifted to global warming. And I would suggest that a lot of these people who they’re pushing the scare of global cooling and now they’re pushing the scare for global warming, it really exploded for them. And all of a sudden there became a lot of money involved in it. They started punching out all sorts of research grants and so forth to study this subject. So now all of a sudden it’s a money maker too. So you have all these people that are definitely getting involved in it, wanting to do research on it, and really publishing and pushing, Hey, there’s this global warming. We’ve caused all these issues. We’re putting too much carbon dioxide, for example, into the atmosphere from everything that we’re burning. And so now all of a sudden the scarce were even bigger. And of course, global warming jumped right into the political scene. And it’s still there, really, if you think about it.

Sam Rohrer:       It still is, but we’re not burning up yet. And there’s all of that kind of thing. But then kind of comes, well, yeah, a little hard to defend the cooling part that didn’t happen. We’re not quite burning up yet. So it’s safe to say that climate change now becomes the doomsday item, and that way we can either, no matter which direction it goes, weaken fear. So what’s the fear or the scare promoted by climate change and what is the truth? What is it?

Bodie Hodge:     Well, it’s an outworking of all this. What happened was we saw those tents of a degree going down. We had global cooling, then it started to go up global warming, then it started to trend back down and people weren’t going to go back to the global cooling. So that’s when they shifted. Instead of saying global warming, they’re saying climate change. Now what they mean underneath all that is global warming. That’s the general trend that’s really being pushed for. But they say climate change. So that way, if anything, if the global temperature starts to go down a little bit, oh, it’s climate change. Oh, it’s starting to go up a little bit. Oh no, it’s climate change. But no matter what happens, everybody blames climate change and they want to blame man. You see, it comes right back down to that each time. It’s about getting that fear out to people.

Bodie Hodge:     And what happens is you have people that are donating massive amounts of money to some of these causes. Some are for political, some are to companies. And don’t get me wrong, there’s some good research that actually comes out of some of this. People are getting better gas mileage, they’re imposing certain laws and rules and researchers are working to say, Hey, how can we be a little bit more efficient with say, burning gasoline or diesel fuel or even burning coal? It’s surprising that coal is 80% cleaner than what it used to be. I mean, it’s amazing actually. So there is some good things coming out of this. The problem is it’s turned into a religious perspective where people are almost being forced and fined if they’re not following it.

Sam Rohrer:       And with that in mind, it’s not just here in the United States, but it is a major part of the whole sustainable future part of it that was adopted by the United Nations as well in September. So this has in fact become a global thing, hasn’t it? Not. It’s not just United States, it’s not just Canada.

Bodie Hodge:     That’s right. It is affecting things all over the world. And the UN passes out a lot of money in grants, which really helps fuel that further and further and further. And of course you have popular people. It’s not just Al Gore anymore, Greta and all sorts of people that are really pushing this popular actors and so forth.

Sam Rohrer:       Alright, so ladies and gentlemen, okay, the Climate Cult, let the truth be known, trying to do that today. Special guest, bode Hodge, president and CEO of Biblical Authority Ministries. When we come back, these are the scares. These are the fears when come back and actually now explain the causes for frankly what is normal climate fluctuations when we’re talking about the Climate cult today, this comes off of an article that my guest today, Bodie Hodge has written called The Culture, I believe is what you termed it, Bodie . And we’re tying into the religious piece of the equation because there are many aspects about this concept that have a religious overtone or an undertone or a thread that runs through it. And we will explain that a little bit more here I think in the last segment as well. But the fact that it was global cooling, that was the fear, which didn’t happen, and then global warming became the scare didn’t happen.

Sam Rohrer:       So now it’s just climate change and the fear and the scare still continues all the way to the very top politically public policy. Frankly, investments, the Blackrock’s of the world and others are investing trillions to drive a policy that is consistent with this as an example. And there are many more. So the question comes down to, alright, well what about climate? Well, does it change? Well, of course we know it changes the fact that there are weather differences from one location around the world to another, from tropical to desert conditions, from cooler temperatures at the top of a mountain to the warmer temperature again at the valley below. That’s not news. That’s the way it’s always been. Some winters are warmer, some winters are cooler. Has it ever been different? Well, the fact that there are clear seasonal changes as well. The further you go from the equator, there are seasonal changes.

Sam Rohrer:       It’s an indisputable reality. So how do climate change cultus type people explain why they have been so wrong and from the standpoint of truth, how can one explain climate fluctuation? So Bodie, my first question to you right here is this, from a normal perspective, somebody who is out front as an Al Gore and these others and end up being so dreadfully wrong, most of the time a person has lost all credibility. They’re not able to stand up and make any more profound statements because they were so wrong. What are these guys who are making these statements and being so wrong? How are they explaining and justifying how far off they are? Why shouldn’t anybody listen to them?

Bodie Hodge:     Well, it surprises me that people do still listen to them. If somebody’s discerning, of course they’re going to step back and say, hold on a second, here Mr. Gore. You are off on some of these 10 year predictions. You weren’t even close. We should step back. But a lot of people aren’t. They don’t think about that. They forget way too quickly that hey, they made some predictions that were just dead false. And I think sometimes too, because of certain people’s popularity out there, they’ve got a name. People just keep listening to them. But there’s also the heart of the issue. The heart of so many individuals who have bought into this, who’ve been following this, they’re a lot more forgiving. They’ll just let it go and they’ll say, oh, tell me more, more. The Bible talks about people wanting to hear their itching, ears want to hear what they want to hear.

Bodie Hodge:     And it wouldn’t surprise me if that is part of the case with a lot of people who are following after the Climate cult. Climate cult has big reach. We have to remember, not only has this been in a political arena, this has been taught now for generations to kids in state schools. This has been imposed on them. You see it in textbooks, you see it being utilized in science projects and so forth. So yeah, it’s got a much bigger reach than you might think, and I think a lot of people are more than happy just to let things go. Okay, they were off on that. Let’s just adjust it a little bit and let’s keep going. I think that’s the mentality in many cases.

Sam Rohrer:       Yeah, I think you’re right. And one response I’ve had Bodie thinking in the religious perspective, scripture also speaks to this part that a true prophet is someone that when they say this will happen and it that’s one thing, but when they say this will happen and it won’t, that is the biblical definition of a false prophet. I put many preachers in that category. We generally think of those if they’re in the pulpit, that’s a prophet, but a guy who stands up in a political perspective like an Al Gore and others and make these profound predictions, and they’re wrong. They’re prophet too, just in a different area. So that’s how I look at them and I just note and say, wait a minute, I’ll listen to what they say, but I’m not going to get excited about what they say. But in this case, now when it comes to weather and climate, of course we know it does change. So from a truth perspective, how does a God-fearing person who believes that God set up what is happening here and we are not as people going to change God’s plan as an example, how do we explain, how do you teach people to explain naturally occurring climate fluctuations?

Bodie Hodge:     I’m glad you asked that question because I think that’s a really good question for particularly Christians that are listening to say, Hey, how do we answer this question? Because we do see some of those fluctuations, and of course in the past we’ve seen massive disasters that have changed things. You might think of the global flood, for instance, and there’s an ice age that followed that. So how do we look at it today? And I would suggest, okay, well let’s look at this from a science perspective. I’m going to put my science hat on right now. Do you realize that when massive volcanoes have gone off, it has affected the climate all over the world? Like even Mount St. Helen’s, which was a relatively small volcano, it even affected the global variations in that temperature. There were some massive volcanoes that went off in the 1800’s.

Bodie Hodge:     One in particular went off so big it was massive. It dwarfed Mount St. Helen’s. The year following that was called the year without a Summer because what it did is it shot so many little particulates and dioxin and so forth up in the upper atmosphere that just lingered up there. And what happened was the sunlight that was coming in was being reflected back to space. We weren’t getting as much sunlight, and so it actually cooled the global temperature. They estimated by somewhere around three degrees or so. Now of course that’s done with some estimates. We didn’t actually have some of the measurements at that time, but around the world it was the year without a summer. So something obvious really had happened as a result of that volcano. But here’s something else. Researchers like Dr. Jason Lyle, he was a sun expert actually. He’s an astrophysicist, a wonderful creationist.

Bodie Hodge:     One of the things that he’s pointed out is he said, Hey, when the sun puts out a little bit more, because the sun fluctuates too, a lot of people don’t realize that it gives out a little bit more. Sometimes it gives out a little bit less. If you look at how much the sun is outputting, guess what? Our global temperature here on earth, when the sun puts out more, the Earth’s temperature goes up a little bit. If the sun puts out a little less, the global temperature here on earth goes down a little bit. It actually follows the trend of what the sun is sending out. So actually there’s a good reason for why we’re seeing these fluctuations. We expect this, but we shouldn’t be out here going, oh boy, man, what did we do? We’ve destroyed everything. We need to step back and look at this from a biblical viewpoint.

Bodie Hodge:     When we start with God in his word all the way back in Genesis, Genesis chapter eight, verse 22, God promised that there will be seed time and harvest, cold and heat and so forth. It’s going to be pretty regular until Jesus comes back, until the world ends. And you know what? That’s amazing promise to step back and have trust in God on that. Yeah, we’re going to see these fluctuations. Yes, we’re going to see changes, but God designed the world even in a thin curse and broken world to be able to handle these types of things and we can trust God. We can trust his scripture when he talks about that.

Sam Rohrer:       And Bodie, because of that type of promise, springtime and fall, it will happen. The sun will come up, the sun will go down. These things will happen because of the order of God himself. To me, that strikes me as one of the greatest assurances that I can have as a human being here on this earth, that I’m not going to do anything to dispute these scares and these fears, which they tend to lead people to think that we’ve got to stop living or we’re going to kill ourselves. That’s not possible because it’s God’s plan that’s in place and we’re not going to disturb God’s plan. I mean, do you interpret that kind of promise that way as well?

Bodie Hodge:     That’s right. God’s in charge. He’s upholding all things. That’s not a problem For an all powerful God. What we need to do is step back and say, okay, God, you’re God, you are in charge. Let’s live our lives. Let’s do good. Let’s do what we’re supposed to do. God designed the world for man, and even though it’s broken because of sin back in Genesis chapter three, which is why we need a savior, by the way, we need Jesus Christ to save us from sin and death. That’s what he did on the cross, taking the punishment on our behalf. But because of those promises, because of what Christ did and the way that God upholds the world, he’s done it in such a way that it’s designed for us. He knows we were going to deal with this. None of this stuff escaped God’s prophetic understandings of all things. God is outside of time. He sees what was going to happen here in the 21st century. It hasn’t escaped him. What we need to do is step back and realize God is God and he’s in charge and he’s upholding all things.

Sam Rohrer:       Bodie, there are a couple of questions I want to get in. I want to have about a minute, so I may have to cut you short here. We’ll conclude in the next segment. But one of that is this manmade climate change. It’s out there all the time. We’ve got to stop living that kind of content, stop driving our car. We got to stop doing because we are killing ourselves. That’s part of the scare. Can man and what we are doing actually change the climate that much? I mean, is manmade fearful, manmade climate change? Is that a fear?

Bodie Hodge:     It’s such a minute amount for what we’re actually putting out there compared to what we see naturally that it’s really not going to affect things much at all. It really doesn’t much.

Sam Rohrer:       So what you’re saying, so what you’re saying is that the volcanoes, when they occur, they’re measurable. That’s big. The sun alternate between cooler and hotter. We can’t do anything about that. Those you’re saying are much bigger than anything man can do.

Bodie Hodge:     That’s right.

Sam Rohrer:       Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, okay, that’s one. That’s just a very brief, brief response. We come back, want to talk about another one? Carbon dioxide, oh boy. Can’t get too much carbon dioxide in the air. We will kill ourselves as well. We’ll deal with that and we’ll conclude with how to think biblically and respond to all of this. Well, as we go into our final segment here today, thank you all for being a part of the program and it’s important that we hear from you. I encourage you here in this week of Thanksgiving, some of you perhaps who have never written to us, would consider doing that in the spirit of Thanksgiving. Let us know that you are thankful for what we do on this program. We hear from many, and it’s always such an encouragement to us and the entire team. It’s good for us to know how God is using the program, but think about in that terms, this your express gratefulness to God for what he has done and then let other people know what they may be doing, but for which you perhaps have not thanked them.

Sam Rohrer:       And if we’re among that category, would you do that? Just take some time and you can send us a note. You can do it on our website. You can just do it in the form of a letter. You can do it off of the Stand in the Gap app, which is free, and I encourage you to go there and all of those are accessible to the programs. This program transcript always available as the program you can take, you can read, you can listen and then pass along to a friend, and I would encourage you to do that as well. So just a couple of thoughts here, Bodie. Let’s get back here. There’s another question that I mentioned in the last segment I wanted to ask. The man made global warming, global cooling. Part of it. You answered in essence, and I summed it up by saying man’s ability to override or do more than that, which naturally occurs such as the fluctuations in the heat and the cooling from the sun as an example, or volcanoes as an example, which occur from time to time, which do in fact and have in fact influenced the culture.

Sam Rohrer:       You cited those as examples of something very large and much larger than anything that man can do. So if you want to add anything to it, please do. But there’s another one that is often out there as a scare as well in that if we continue to burn fossil fuels, the oil, the gas, and these kinds of things, that it produces carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide is almost lifted up like it’s some criminal activity and we’ve got to stop that because it is killing us. Does carbon dioxide, which is in the air naturally, I mean, what’s the harm there?

Bodie Hodge:     Well, actually carbon dioxide is very good for our atmosphere. We’ve been taught over and over again that it’s bad. But without carbon dioxide, life would end. So we need a certain percentage of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere. For example, for phytoplankton in the ocean and for plants just to survive. Carbon dioxide is absolutely utterly essential. I mean, imagine what would happen if the plants couldn’t take in carbon dioxide. Well, they’re not going to be in turn producing oxygen or food or a host of other things, which would cause a massive detriment right down the line. So yes, carbon dioxide is actually something that’s good. What we’ve been taught though is oh, well, we’re putting too much carbon dioxide out there from the industrial Revolution, from us driving our cars. For example, if we’re going to bring it home a little bit here, we’re just burning fires just to keep ourselves warm in the winter time.

Bodie Hodge:     Oh, that’s bad. You’re putting out carbon dioxide now. See, people need to understand that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas now, so are some other gases and so forth. But carbon dioxide is the highest percentage one now with carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, it’s not really affecting it to such a degree that it is overheating our earth or causing problem. Whenever we have a little bit more carbon dioxide, what happens is the plants do better, the phytoplankton does better, and it just balances it right back out. So it really does kind of, we have to understand how God designed the world to be able to handle those types of things. God knew there’s going to be fires when there’s all these massive forest fires or volcanoes and so forth. Carbon dioxide is massively sent out there. And guess what? The earth is designed in such a way to be able to take care of all that. So first thing about the carbon dioxide argument is it’s essential. We need it. And God has got the earth in such a way that it’s going to balance it out. So we need to just step back and say, hold on a second here. Is it really what has been hyped up to be?

Sam Rohrer:       And that you get right into somewhat responding to my next final question. How should God-fearing people biblically consider and respond to what is in reality a war? I mean this religious zealousness behind it, the desire to control natural resources, the fossil fuels or not, which is behind a lot of what’s happening with these wars right now. All these things, a lot of it is really tied into this cult of climate change. So sum it all up here now as we leave this. How should God fearing people consider the narrative that we’ve been hearing? Much of what we talked about is obviously not true and what we may hear because it may increase. How should we respond to it and keep all of this in balance?

Bodie Hodge:     Well, one of the first things I would suggest Christians need to do is step back and let’s not mix our Christianity with this secular agonized religion called Climate cult. We need to keep ourselves distanced from that. Let’s not mix it throughout the Bible. There were times when the Godly would intermix with the pagan worship of the day, whether it was malic worship or the Canaanite gods or so forth. We shouldn’t do that. We need to step back and let God be God and compare all the stuff to scripture. Let God be the absolute authority on this. And when we start with the Bible, God gave man dominion over the earth. So we’re stewards, essentially. Yeah, we want to take care of the Earth. We want to use the earth, but at the same time, we don’t just want to go out and destroy it either.

Bodie Hodge:     I mean, there is a balance in there, but we don’t want to be worshiping the earth. We don’t want to be worshiping climate change or carbon dioxide emissions to such a point where we’re neglecting God in his word to try to do all these things for that particular religion. The solution is to get back to Jesus Christ, get back to the Word of God and what Christ says in his word. As a Christian, it’s actually very comforting to know that, hey, God’s in charge. God has worked all this out. So it’s not as big of a deal like it’s being pressured on you. We need to just step back and let God be God. So I think that right there would be one of the biggest issues. If there’s somebody out there that struggled with this themselves, be praying, be praying to the Lord, say, Hey, Lord, open my heart and my mind up to this so that I can understand a little bit more about what your word says about how you are in control and how you are upholding things.

Bodie Hodge:     So that we’re going to have feed time and harvest, cold and heat day and night. It’s going to continue so long as the earth endures. I know I’ve got this article online and it is popular article, but there’s also a book on the subject of the Climate Cult by the same title, actually, climate Cult by John Barry. And if people wanted to dive into this a little bit more, they go through a number of other issues. It’s actually a pretty good book to really dive into the subject of the climate cult in a lot more detail than what I’ve even been able to go into on this article. So if somebody really wants to go to an even deeper level, looking at some of these false prophecies thrown out by some of these guys, it really is a powerful book. But John Barry, climate Cult.

Sam Rohrer:       Alright, Bodie, that’s excellent. We’re very close to the end here right now. But based on everything that you are seeing, that I’m seeing this emphasis on this climate change and what we’ve talked about today, there’s no reason to believe that this is soon going to disappear. It’s actually going to be with us. So we need to be prepared, right? Yeah,

Bodie Hodge:     We really do.

Sam Rohrer:       Yeah. So ladies and gentlemen point, we’re at the end here right now. I would just say consider this as one of the many things that come before us. Jesus told us, made it very, very clear that we are not to be anxious for anything. Trust in him. That’s part of this. We are not to fear God has not given us a spirit of fear. How many times we are invited and caused to fear any number of things from war to health issues to this or that, all of these things that brings us back again. If we know the Lord, let’s keep our trust in him. Put everything through the filter of scripture. It’ll keep us balanced, and it’ll keep us firmly standing on his foundation, which never changes. Bodie Hodge, thank you so much for being with us today. His website, again, biblical authority ministries.org. Thanks for being with us today. We’ll see you back here tomorrow.