Daze of Disruption: An Unfolding Great Reset

Daze of Disruption: An Unfolding Great Reset

Feb. 17, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Leo Hohmann

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 2/17/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s another full week of programming here. I’m glad that you’re on board today, and I would ask, obviously if you’ve joined us, I hope that you can stay all the way to the entire end as today recurring guest, Leo Hohmann, author, researcher, independent, investigative journalist and author of the 2017 book, very relevant to today yet stealth invasion. He joins me again for always a very relevant and current and truthful analysis of important news of the day. And these that things we’re going to discuss today are going to be things that have happened since he was with me just about 30 days ago. And there are so many things, and we can only touch on some the title, excuse me, I had to cough there. The title I’ve chosen for today program is this Days of Disruption and Unfolding Great Reset and that spelling of days, I spelled out DAZE Days of Disruption.

Sam Rohrer:

And that’s because of the overwhelming volume and speed of change since Donald Trump’s January 20th inauguration. And literally what has occurred since that everybody uses the same turn, a way to describe it, historic and almost no other way to describe it than days da. Now, before I bring in Leo, let me show you a roadmap for the balance of this week tomorrow. Dr. Jamie Mitchell’s going to be here with attorney Jeff Childers and Jeff’s going to give his view that conversation with them will be his perspective more of the first weeks of Trump’s term here. It’s not going to be the same as today, but it will provide I think, some additional ancillary perspectives. Wednesday, Twila Braze will join me for the latest updates on health freedom in America, challenges wins, and a continued confusion. It’ll be a lot to present on Wednesday. On that issue, Thursday, Rob Webb from Answers and Genesis will join me on some aspect of apologetics from his perspective as a former NASA scientist.

Sam Rohrer:

Then on Friday, Dr. George Barna will be here with me as we discuss his latest research with the theme for that day. That program is going to be 12 trends to shape faith and culture in 2025. So you don’t want to miss any of these programs if you can help it. Of course, if you do and you have to miss it, you can pick it up on our website or our off of the app, all going to deal with true news from a biblical worldview perspective. Now with that being said, let me bring in right now a favorite recurring standing app today. Guest a friend of truth, Leo Hohmann. He’s a prolific author and independent investigative journalist, has a website@leoholman.substack.com and I’ll give that again. Leo, thanks for being here and being back with me.

Leo Hohmann:

Yes, thanks for having me back, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Yep, you are always welcome. It’s a pleasure to have you on. I always hear from listeners who say, I like that Leo Hohmann. Well, I do too. That’s why you’re back. But Leo, on your website, you describe yourself, and I just want to say this in case somebody’s gone there, but I think it’s good you say this as yourself. You do this, you investigate and report on globalism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and where politics, culture and religion intersect. That’s pretty good. And I think that’s what we’re going to deal with even today. Now you’re turning out about at least one article per week. People can find them on your website there. You take the headline issues of the day. What I like is you say, all right, now what is happening? And then you also bring in the other question of what else may be happening.

Sam Rohrer:

I know, and we talk about it a lot, we must look at what’s taking place, but we almost have to look behind what we’re seeing in these days of deception. And because of all that, that’s why I’m terming part of the title today, A great reset perhaps underway, not necessarily the great reset projected by World Economic Forum, but I must say I am seeing very many of the same core threads. Now that being said, give you an open question here. I’d like for you to share your overall perceptions of how you are processing and analyzing both the volume, the quantity, and the speed, the velocity, put it that way of change impacting literally everyone in the world one way or another by the, as we termed into the program the other day, the Blitz creek of activity initiated by the new Trump administration. I mean, it’s amazing, but your overall thoughts, how are you processing and analyzing it?

Leo Hohmann:

Well, if you look at it on its surface, and I think that’s how it’s most tempting to look at, just take everything at face value. You can’t help but be impressed, right? I mean, it seems so diametrically opposite to what we saw in the first Trump administration where the President seemed to come in and get caught sort of flatfooted by all of the opposition this time. Well, he had what, four years to think about it. And it really shows because it seems like he came in on day one, completely organized and completely determined to get his agenda through and had all the steps in place to do that and do it in blinding speed. And I think it is the speed aspect that has taken the opposition by surprise. And really now this time, they seem to be the ones that are flatfooted and reacting as opposed to having a plan in place.

Leo Hohmann:

They’re just reacting to everything the president’s doing. And sometimes it just amounts to a lot of stupid talk by coming from Democrats that they just seem overwhelmed. They seem unable to oppose in any organized way. President has a solid mandate this time as well, having won the popular vote. And now he has a very strong approval rating of 55%. And so yeah, he’s come in and he’s got shock and awe really, and I like what I see on the surface, but like I said, we can’t just look at the surface and take everything at face value. We have to look at who is working with the President. We see people like Elon Musk, we see Peter Thiel, we see Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Sam Altman, these are the oligarchs of Technocracy. These are the technocratic elites of our country. They have seemed to switch sides from the liberal Democrats to the conservative Republicans.

Leo Hohmann:

And that’s another reason why the left is caught flatfooted reacting and unable to oppose much because they’ve lost that big tech factor that has now switched over to President Trump. And that makes me ask the question, well, what could be coming next after we get rid of all these awful bureaucratic agencies that have been oppressing us for so many years? Is there something perhaps even more sinister waiting, lurking in the wings to take over America from the angle of technocracy? Which if we know anything about that, Sam, it is the B system. In my opinion, the superstructure for the B system is why the tech oligarchs are putting their weight, their billions of dollars behind President Trump hoping that he can build out the superstructure of AI and all of the data centers that they

Sam Rohrer:

Want to. Indeed. Leo, we’re about out of time and I think you’ve laid it out there, right? Ladies and gentlemen, I think you’ve got the flavor. We observe what ask why. Look at the good must also consider implications of what possibly could go wrong. We’ll do that as we walk through the program. Stay with us. If you’re just joining us today, Leo Hohmann is my guest here on this Monday program. Stand in the Gap today if you’re just tuning in, never listened to us before we take headline news and analyze it and bring to it the principles of a biblical world view today. The title is This, days of Disruption is what I’ve named it Days, DAZE, days of Disruption and Unfolding. Great reset or now is to describe the days perhaps in which we’re living. But Leo, let’s continue in as from a practical consideration.

Sam Rohrer:

There’s no question that the institutions of government, what do I mean by that? Legislative, executive and judicial branches, all of them together, the institutions government have become over the years corrupt and fraudulent. And I know that since my days in state government here in Pennsylvania, starting in 1992, I have stated many times that fraud and corruption had overtaken government at all levels with the only difference being the number of zeros at the end of the appropriation. I’ve said that our entire condition describes perfectly God’s description of Israel in Ezekiel chapter 22, verses 23 to 31, where God said clearly that all three branches of government, that’s how our founders looked at this passage. It talks there about the prophets, the legislative branch, the priest, the general branch Prince’s executive branch that they, the three of them conspired together, but then it also says the people themselves became corrupted together.

Sam Rohrer:

So you got the people, recipients of the large S of government and those controlling what is in government all working together. And the Lord actually there, ladies and gentlemen in that passage read it. I would encourage you to go there and read it. God uses the word conspiracy because it was a designed to plan between them all, and God used that to describe how together this entire nation discovered how they could together covering each other’s backs, exploit each other. As we have seen, I think in the abuses, for instance of U-S-A-I-D as an example, the only sacrifice back in Israel was they all had to make was just simply to set aside truth in God’s definition of morality. And then once that was done, they were able to satisfy their individual and collective lust for greed and power and money. And to me, what’s being uncovered today is simply God’s justice being evidenced in exposing the corruption.

Sam Rohrer:

But those involved, I’m afraid, or I’m thinking, and the administration now what’s being done are at the heart unable to identify and fix the real cause of why a nation and people go into bribery and corruption, and that is pride, the sinfulness of man’s heart and the rejection of the fear of God. Now, those are my thoughts, Leo. Let’s look at the domestic front first and then in the next segment we’ll go to the global scene because literally everything is being touched by what’s happening. But in a recent article you used as a part of the title, you say This will closing the department of Ed, U-S-A-I-D and other agencies actually lead to less government intrusion in our lives, or will they be replaced by something more sinister? Hearkening, back to the question you raised in the last segment, without a doubt, between the efforts of Doge and many executive orders firing of federal workers, or at least asking for voluntary resignation, federal government does appear to be in a significant downsizing mode. And to that I say, yay, yay, long overdue. Now, that of course is good, but without a doubt this is causing many disruptions, which is something you talk about in another article. And that’s this. On the efforts of Doge thus far, which exposures of corruption and in which departments do you think are most significant thus far, and why?

Leo Hohmann:

Wow, that’s a big question. I mean, they’re all just stunning in their scope. I mean, there’s been so many of them. I can’t even recall all of them in the last few weeks, Sam. But I think to me, the most outrageous are some of these US, A ID grants made to foreign governments. A lot of people are suggesting with a lot of proof, it seems like that the US A ID was really just been functioning as a front group for the CIA to foment revolutions and coups in various countries around the world. I mean, let’s just look at a couple of the most outrageous of these foreign aid grants being run through U-S-A-I-D. We’ve had millions and millions to purchase condoms for people in Gaza just today, this morning I read about another one where 827 million was funneled through U-S-A-I-D to Boca Haram in Nigeria to buy weapons.

Leo Hohmann:

Now, what does Boca Haram? It’s an Islamic terrorist organization that kills, is notorious for killing Christians in Nigeria. So we just found out that our government has been funding the slaughter of Christians in Nigeria. Unbelievable. Some writers like myself, suspected that this type of thing was going on, that a lot of these Islamic terrorist organizations would not have any power and certainly not nearly as much power as they do to commit their jihad programs if it were not for being aided by Western governments chief among them being the one in Washington dc we fund Hamas, we fund Al-Qaeda, we fund. Now I hear Boca Haram. We’re not talking about small dollars here. We’re talking about large dollars used for weapons and training to kill Jews, kill Christians. It’s starting to remind me, Sam, I hate to say this, but when I read Revelation 17 and 18 and it describes this called Mystery Babylon, drunk with the Blood of the Martyrs, that’s starting to look a lot like what we see in Washington dc

Sam Rohrer:

And I would say, great, that’s a great application because it is. I mean, I am, I’ll say, and I’ve said it before, I am not surprised at the identification of so much fraud and corruption. I am somewhat surprised at the depth and extraordinary volume in the elaborate orchestration that frankly it didn’t happen overnight. This has been a highly perfected system that’s been in place for a long time. That’s a major concern of mine. I don’t think a lot of that has even come out. When did it start? Who knew along the way and didn’t do anything about it? I think that’s a big question yet to come out anyway for the thoughts.

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah, absolutely. I think all the Congress members who, I think they failed at their constitutional role of oversight because when this money was appropriated by Congress, let’s just say for example, to Boko Haram, it didn’t say weapons for Boko Haram to kill Christians. No, it said 827 million to the Nigerian government to spend on education and child welfare. And then that money went to the government with no oversight and was funneled to the Boko Haram Islamic terrorist organization to use to kill Christians. So it was money that was not appropriate if Congress appropriated it thinking it was going to education and child welfare. They never did due diligence to find out if that’s actually where it was going.

Sam Rohrer:

I would agree. And let’s see, I’m looking at the clock here. Let me go in and twist. It’s a part of that same title where you said, here, let me see what it say. Will closing the department of Ed, U-S-A-I-D and other agencies actually lead to less government intrusion? I want you to answer that. Will that, and here’s the part I want to specifically want you to finish with, or will they be replaced by something more sinister? You’ve raised the question, and we all know this is going to result in something, some kind of action. Will it just be smaller government or will it be better, more righteous, or will something else come up? What are your thoughts on that and what did you put in the article?

Leo Hohmann:

I think that remains to be seen, but if we look at the cast of characters surrounding President Trump, he seems to have a blind spot when it comes to judging the character of some of the peoples. He surrounds himself with, as we’ve already mentioned, people like Larry Ellison, who’s the chairman and founder of Oracle, a software company, and he is all into ai and he talks about using AI in law enforcement in healthcare to create a sort of 27 digital surveillance of Americans. He says, if we have this type of system with cameras everywhere, watching everybody all the time, we’ll all be on our best behavior and we won’t need so many law enforcement officers and we can use this AI also to cure cancer before it even happens. Before you even get cancer, AI will be able to tell if you’re susceptible to a certain type of cancer and they’ll have a vaccine ready within 48 hours he says, to shoot you up with and prevent you from getting cancer. Now, do you trust that Sam? I don’t. And then you’ve got Peter Thiel who is the founder of Paler. This is a company that has contracts with the CIA and the Department of Defense to surveil Americans online activity and create dossiers on dangers. Americans. What makes you dangerous? Oh, not obeying government narratives, being a sort of dissenter political dissenter. These are the type of things that can get you on a government watch list thanks to Peter Thiel and Paler, who was biggest funder of President Trump’s campaign.

Sam Rohrer:

There you go. And Leo, you didn’t say it. They didn’t say it either, but everything you described, everything they described is the Chinese surveillance system. I walked away with saying, are we just describing perhaps doing a job even more complete than the Chinese? Everything you described is what they have. It’s an amazing, amazing thing. Stay with us. We’re going to move from domestic now to global. Well, Leah, we’re talking about disruptions and basically changes. And again, that have come since January 20 changes emanating primarily from executive orders, some of those executive orders in the form of emergency declarations, which free up frankly money, and they free up a whole lot of things. And then other statements that have been made by the president have literally caused, I wouldn’t say dislocations, but disruptions, but changes on the part of every citizen in this country on many levels, but it’s also gone around the world and it’s pretty remarkable.

Sam Rohrer:

And the full extent of these, as you said in that last segment. And I’ve said as well the extent of these, the implications, the consequences are at this point totally unknown. Only thing we know for sure is right now is that almost everything has been disconnected from whatever it was connected to. And so change, that’s where we are. And the promise of much more taking place on the domestic front, disruptions and challenges to the status quo are being implemented here and around the world. And you’ve written in some of your articles on things, not just domestic like the U-S-A-I-D program and other we just talked about, but you just did an article about what’s taking place in the peace proposal between Ukraine and Russia. And I want to go there after I ask this question, come and take it sequentially because prior to that announcement and then things happening over there, now the president made his Gaza proposal, and I’ve talked a lot on this program without the guest, but I’d like to know what you think as you’ve analyzed this, what are your thoughts regarding this proposal, the Gaza proposal, and then what is unfolding somewhat as implications from that around the world in response to that?

Sam Rohrer:

And I want to say include both potentially good and potentially negative consequences. We got to look at both sides. So take that proposal, give me your consideration, positive perhaps potentially negative.

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah. Well, on the one hand, he seems to have a very specific plan to, it sounds like gearing America towards creating a one state system as opposed to a two state system in the holy land, which on its face sounds good, but then you get to the question of, well, how are we going to accomplish this? And it sounds like he wants America. Well, it doesn’t sound like it. He came right out and said that we would take over Gaza and that we would level it, level it out, get rid of all the unsafe structures, bulldoze them and rid it of all of the landmines and unexploded bombs that are sitting there and then redevelop it. America would own it and redevelop it. Now, that is where it started losing me, Sam, because I don’t know that I want America put in the middle of that situation. It says in the Bible that it’s God’s land, not America. So I kind of bristled at the choice of words when he said, we’re going to own that land. I don’t think it’s ours to own, let alone to redevelop into some sort of moneymaking operation with hotels and beachfront properties and relocating all the Palestinians to, I guess Egypt and Jordan, which on its face sounds good since that’s where most of them their ancestors came from.

Leo Hohmann:

If you look at the DNA checks that have been done, most of them came from those areas. What is that going to cause? However, neither Egypt nor Jordan wants these people, and Saudi Arabia has said that it absolutely will not support this plan of President Trump’s. And Saudi Arabia seemed to be the linchpin, the key player in the peace process with that the Trump administration had been working on previously called the Abrahamic Accords. And so yeah, it leaves me scratching my head, Sam, I would like to hear your feelings about it as well.

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, well, my response was pretty much the same way. I mean, I think to some extent, and I think this is something we all have to look into. If one is supportive of the overall idea, then you respond. So if you support Israel, that basically was a positive thing. And I think most people came out and said, this is a great thing. At the same time though, they couldn’t explain it, I can’t explain it, but the idea of us owning it, that caused me like you to immediately say, wait a minute, two stage solutions are bad because that’s an encouraging to give up part of the ground promise to Israel, Abraham, to somebody else. But what’s the difference between giving it to somebody else and us taking it or us owning it? And again, some say, well, this is just a matter of negotiation. We don’t really know.

Sam Rohrer:

And that to me is basically where I come back to where you are, Leo, and that is this, a lot is happening. Everything has been destabilized, but no one can determine right now how it’s going to work out. And that leads me to your article you just released last night because in a call from the president to Vladimir Putin last week bypassing NATO, bypassing Zelensky from Ukraine, he went directly there to talk about peace. It’s caused all kinds of things to happen now, secretary of Defense, Hegseth and Secretary of State Rubio are there in Europe. Now they’re fleshing out some of those things and some of the statements. But you wrote a fairly good article. Give me your overall view of your article. Again, same question as before. What possibly good can come out of what is being done and what the president has initiated with Vladimir Putin, and perhaps what are some of the potential negative impacts?

Leo Hohmann:

Well, I think the overall thrust of my article is that Ukraine is not America’s fight. Ukraine is a borderland snuggled up right next to Russia. It only became an independent nation in the outgrowth of the fallen collapsed Soviet empire. And America sent 200 billion over there in the last three years for it to fight what amounts to a border war with Russia. At the same time ignoring its own border with Mexico and Canada. And I won’t even get into all that because I wrote a whole book on that, but why are we fighting Ukraine’s war with Russia? It all goes back to this thing called NATO, which was created in 1949 in the aftermath of World War ii, where 12 nations got together, the US, Canada and some Western European countries got together and said that we’re going to form this defensive alliance so that something like World War II never happens again. But over the years, what’s happened is NATO has expanded from those original 12 countries to now 32 countries.

Leo Hohmann:

And this all came after a promise in 1991, that Secretary of State, James Baker made to Russia saying that this was during the George Herbert Walker Bush administration. They promised Russia that NATO would not expand one inch eastward. And by golly, it wasn’t long after that. Within about four or five years, NATO started expanding after the Soviet Empire collapsed in 19 90, 91, NATO promised it wouldn’t take in all of those former Soviet Bloc countries as part of NATO. And then that’s exactly what happened starting around 1999 when you had the Czech Republic hungry and Poland join NATO. Then in 2004, you had the Baltic states join NATO in 1950. In the fifties, there was actually some countries that even joined. But after that promise, a whole bunch more countries started joining NATO and surrounding Russia, and it felt threatening to Russia. And now the plan was to bring Ukraine.

Leo Hohmann:

The latest country to come in was to be Ukraine. And that’s where Russia drew the line and Vladimir Putin said, no, we’re not going to stand for that. And they’re working. And they fought a war over this for three years. Russia has basically won the war taking a bunch of Eastern Ukrainian real estate in the process, and now we’re trying to work out a peace deal and the European countries are miffed and crying and whining that they’re not being included in the peace deal. Well, they have shown no interest in peace. They have been completely anti-Russia. They have an anti-Russia obsession, I would say in the UK and France especially. They’re trying to deal a black eye to Russia and they want to use Ukraine to do it. And that process, that plan has failed and now they want to be involved in the peace process. And President Trump, I think wisely is keeping them out of the peace process that is going to be going on over the next week or two.

Sam Rohrer:

And therein we’re about to break. One of the things that, again, we don’t even know all the facts yet. We know a lot of money has gone there and has been wasted. Even the president himself, I heard him make the statement, he said, people, some say 200 million or billion like you talked about Leo, but he said, I have looked. I think it’s really absolutely more than 300 billion, maybe 350. So the point being, ladies and gentlemen, money has been going, the president has said, we’re not going to do it anymore. That’s in process of being worked out. All of Europe is now considering coming up with a European army and a whole lot of things, point being, things have been initiated, the result of which we do not yet know, but we do need to pay attention. Well, as we get into our final segment, if you are with us from the beginning, thanks for staying with us all the way through.

Sam Rohrer:

If you’ve joined in part way through, which often happens when listening to radio, and that is this, if you didn’t pick up the beginning, all of it, you can, and again, I say this, many of you listening have responded and say, you’re now beginning to do this with some regularity. I think it’s a good thing you can pick up the program on our app, stand in the gap. If you haven’t downloaded it, please do because you have access to all programs. Every one of our Stand in the Gap Minute weekend and this today program, all TV programs are there. There are things there that you can search out by topic, by guest, a whole host of things you can communicate to us there. You can give and partner with us financially. It’s a very, very helpful tool. If you miss a program, that’s a great place to go to do that.

Sam Rohrer:

Now, when you bring up a program now, and we’ve done this for quite some time, but you can also find there a link to a transcript. That transcript you can read, you can download it, you can look at it, you can actually read along with that in addition to the program. Most of the time we give too much information here in order for anybody to write it down. And I don’t know about you, but I can’t remember everything I hear. I remember bits and pieces. But a transcript can help you to do that. I would encourage you in that regard, and this week if you’ve never written to us, consider this week dropping us a line. Let us know how God is helping you in any way, giving you information to know how to make better choices or to how to perceive what is going on.

Sam Rohrer:

That is our goal. Let us know so that we can better understand and then let us know when you do that where you are, what state are you perhaps in or what foreign country. All of that is helpful for us. Alright, now that being the case, Leo, let’s go ahead and try to wrap this up because what we’re talking about today, a lot of people are coming at it from different angles. One thing is for sure, you cannot describe what’s taking place today without using such terms as historic. Foreign nations may refer to some what the president is saying as threatening as he’s saying here, you do this or to say it’s exciting. And a lot of it is absolutely. And for those of us understand scripture, I look at it and I say, Hmm, some of this even prophetic perhaps. So connecting the dots is what you try to do.

Sam Rohrer:

That’s what we try to do here and that’s what our listeners appreciate. So as we look at the closing here today, I used again, the title days DAZE of disruption because that’s really what’s happening. Things are disrupted, everything’s been untethered, literally everything and unfolding great reset. I used that. I didn’t use the word the great reset that the World Economic Forum used and uses and they said would be unfolding at the time in which we’re now in. But I do see some similarities. So here’s my question. As you look again, the big picture, you’ve already described a lot of the big picture, what elements of the great reset, the Klau Schwabs, the ones who coming out of Covid said, we are going to reset the world. That one, which elements of those are being woven into this current reset that we’re discovering that really it’s what it is that are perhaps common to both and worthy of people who want to know the truth to be alert about that. Make sense?

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah. I think we have to really be wary of the future of fiat paper currency and the way that we are identified, identified by the government for purposes of social security or whatever other dealings we may have with the government driver’s, licenses, et cetera. And the way that we’re also identified by various corporations that we may do business with, whether it’s at the grocery store or online banking, et cetera, et cetera. So what am I getting at here? We know that the beast system will at some point be in play and it’s going to end up being some sort of digital marking. Okay? It’s not going to be like just some physical tattoo, I don’t believe like a lot of people have been preaching over the decades. But it will be some sort of digital marking tied to our unique identifying factors. Biometric digital ID system.

Leo Hohmann:

It could be a retina scan, an iris scan, it could be a palm scan, a facial recognition scan, something that is unique to each individual that will then be uploaded into a computer application run by artificial intelligence. You’ll be recognized everywhere in everything you do, whether it’s online or physically, you’ll be in the system. And so we need to be aware of things that advanced governmental measures and in the corporate world that advance that beast system and lure us into it. And Klaus Schwab said when he talked about the Great Reset and the fourth industrial revolution, which is to convert everything to digital and blockchain and 24 7 surveillance. He talked about merging of our physical, biological, and digital identities. And you can see that is the plan of what they are trying to move us toward. And that is going to take place, I think in the banking system online.

Leo Hohmann:

You won’t be able to log onto the internet without supplying your digital biometric, digital id. That way they’ll be able to keep track of who is saying what on the internet. Because right now somebody could take your phone or your laptop and break into it either remotely or directly and start putting things out in your name. They don’t know for sure that it’s you doing it. But if you had to log in using your unique digital biometric identity, then the government would know 100% that it’s who is doing what online. And that’s exactly what they want to do to try to stop, as they say, the spread of disinformation and misinformation. But really it’s just a marker and a way of controlling people’s freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and eventually it’ll be used to where dissenters and people who are not in the system and approved by the system will not be able to buy or sell according to Revelation 13.

Sam Rohrer:

And that’s really good. I would concur with what you were saying there, Leo. You look at things very similar to me. You and I have had some text conversation, but I look at one of the things that are taking place. I think the AI development with that sanctioning of the 500 billion as an example to advance it, Larry Ellison’s comments that you mentioned about linking in all citizens linking in dash cams and the personal cams of all policemen across the country, he made that clear effectively replacing the doctors in their offices by ai because that form of doctoring is much smarter than a single doctor I perceive. Leo, and just a quick comment, we’re just about out of time that the E part of Doge, DOGE, the efficiency can be pragmatically explained and the most efficient thing probably, if that’s all you’re looking for, is artificial intelligence. That’s potentially, isn’t it?

Leo Hohmann:

Oh, 100%. Yeah. I mean, imagine if the German Nazis had artificial intelligence, imagine how much more efficiently they could have exterminated the Jews in any other segment of the population that they did not feel was on board with their agenda. That is what I fear moving forward. And we do see a cooperation between government and big business in America and in the world right now. Yes, we do. Similar to what the Nazi regime

Sam Rohrer:

And Leo, we’re out of time. I’m sorry. We’re out of time. Thank you so much for being with us today. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for being with us. We didn’t answer every question. We brought up some things, we raised some questions, but we need wisdom and discernment in these age of deception as God free people. We need to pray for that and be fully aware.