Stand in the Gap Today: On Location

Stand in the Gap Today: On Location

Feb. 14, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Stephanie Borowicz, Stacy Garrity, Denny

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 2/14/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, hello and welcome to this very, very special Friday edition of Stand In the Gap Today as today I, along with Dr. Gary Dull. Well, I got to clarify that Gary was supposed to be with me and along here is the evangelist, Dave Kistler, and we’re going to explain more about this circumstance. But these two, Gary and Dave and I were actually part of the original Stand in the Gap team and we’re together, we were supposed to be, Dave and I are actually physically side by side now. You need to pray for Gary. He’s at home sick in bed and not able to come. So we miss him. But this is a wonderful thing, but I will say it’s unusual for any of our co-hosts to actually be physically together, generally spread across the country or the state. And literally today we’re on location sitting in the Faith Baptist Church Auditorium in a beautiful but rather off the beaten track location in upstate mid-state Pennsylvania and a place called Beaver Springs.

So if you take a look on the map, you will find a little speck, but it’s a great place. And I’m going to say this is also wonderful and very unusual, but we’re also looking into the faces here of quite a number of people gathered for this live broadcast on location, which we generally don’t do as you know, but for radio communication, something like this is really quite fantastic and unbelievably unusual since you can’t imagine this unless you’ve been on radio. But when you sit on the side of the microphone that Dave and I are sitting on right now, or when Gary’s on or Isaac is leading, or Jamie co-hosting or hosting the program, we have to imagine what you look like on the other side. And sometimes that’s difficult for people because we can’t see to whom we’re speaking. And so we don’t know as you are listening to us right now, which state you are in or frankly a foreign country.

And so that’s something. And so today though, we’re actually able to look a little bit into the faces of real live people, but we still have to imagine the rest of you who are joining us here today. But anyway, we’re glad that you are on board with us today. So this special day reason why we’re doing this, well, we joined together here at this church that now as a part of their outreach ministry have three radio stations. We don’t do this too often, but you’ll find out the reason why. But this is the WFBM network. It’s called Discovery. It covers the mid-state of Pennsylvania. WFBM was among the very first five stations to carry this program stand in the gap today. And before it, they were one of three or so that carried stand in the gap weekend and before it stand in the gap minute and this week, they’re in the midst of their annual sheath on and we’re so glad to be a part of that.

Now, in the last segment today, I’m going to talk with Pastor Danny Melanie, the head of this ministry and this church and talk to him about his perspective Over time. I think it’ll be most interesting, but also we are pleased to have for information’s sake. In the next segment, we’re going to be talking with Pennsylvania State representative Stephanie Borowitz about a couple of very interesting themes and subjects, her faith in office, and then some public policy issues that frankly has national bearing. Then in segment three, Pennsylvania State Treasurer, Stacy Garrity will join Dave and I. And then as I said earlier, pastor Denny, Mallonee in segment four. But with this introduction, let me just invite in right now, Dave Kistler. Dave, you’ve been up here with Denny doing a few days of ministry and Gary was supposed to be with us, so we were really looking forward to this, but now it’s just you and I and it’s a pleasure to be with you face to face.

Dave Kistler:

Glad to be with you. And I’m sure our listeners can hear a bustle of activity in the background, but it’s a delight to do a live program like this. And yes, we’ve been here since actually Sunday of last week. We had a revival here Sunday through Wednesday, and then the share-a-thon started yesterday. God gave us a tremendous day with the share-a-thon. And now today the live program was stand in the gap today. All of it is a great, great blessing. And Sam, good to see you face to face, my friend.

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah. Well Dave, it’s great to be here. And this program that we do live has its technical issues because you and I are sitting here listening to each other in our headsets. We’re hearing each other, but the broadcast is actually going out in a different speed. So about a two second delay from what I’m actually hearing you say with my ears and what I’m hearing you say in my ears through the speaker or through the headsets. So it’s very interesting

Dave Kistler:

Watching your lips is what I’m doing and paying attention to that first and foremost so that I can understand what’s being said. But it’s a delight really. This is a lot of fun. It’s radio on the fly, but it’s the way it used to be done all the time. And so I love every minute of it.

Sam Rohrer:

And that takes me right into a question because this is a radio issue, Dave. We’re on Christian radio, this program has been on this network and now we’re on over 550 stations across the world. I mean the country literally every 50 state and now in Kenya and actually some of the neighboring countries in central Africa. It is an incredible thing, but it brings us down to the power of Christian radio. Now, you as an evangelist, Dave, have preached in churches all over this country. You’ve been around the world, you try to get on as many mediums as possible, social media, internet, all that kind of thing. But just from your own perspective, what part has or how do you see Christian Radio in its component piece of continuing to communicate the gospel in a very cluttered technologically advanced communication world?

Dave Kistler:

What do you think? Well, radio obviously still has enormous power. It probably doesn’t have as much power as it used to because it was the only medium for a long time. But now we have social media, which is enormous podcasting, which is huge. So we’re trying to take advantage of all of that. But the fact of the matter is this radio is still one of the primary ways to carry the gospel to the four corners of the earth. We have already heard just with the WFBM share-a-thon on from people across the United States from other countries. And so it is an incredible medium and as an evangelist, it’s too big of an opportunity to miss. And so it’s just been an honor and delight to share in any part of standing in the gap today or any type of radio ministry. It’s been a great blessing.

Sam Rohrer:

And Dave, thanks so much for that. And I would’ve asked Gary, but he is not here, but Gary and you actually had a radio program that was morphed into at the very beginning of Stand in the Gap today. So when I ask you about radio, I was asking you enough from a theoretical perspective, but you’ve actually been a part of it. And Gary, who’s not able to be here because he’s sick, so ladies and gentlemen do pray for Gary Dull, but he’s been on radio his whole life and does a radio program every day and TV and all of that. So I know what he thinks about it because he’s been with it for so long. Any comments

Dave Kistler:

For 40 years plus has been involved in every kind of radio ministry possible. When he asked me to do the program that originated there in Altoona, Pennsylvania, I’d never had any radio experience, but I said, I’ll do what I can to help you. And of course, God blessed that. And now it’s morphed into all of this for which we praise the Lord. But it is a powerful, powerful medium and I’m beyond grateful for it.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being a part of this program today. Now it’s a different program. We are on location live, and so some things may be technically a little bit different, but stay with us when you come back. We’re very privileged to speak with a state representative, a believer in the Lord. Her name’s Stephanie Borowitz been with us before in the past. Be with us again. We’ll talk to her, and then we’ll go further into this program today. So stay with us. We’ll be back in just a moment. Well, hello and welcome back to Stand In the Gap today. And if you perhaps are just joining us right now, I know many of you listen at lunchtime because this program is live Eastern Time. Some of you pick it up. I know I hear from you, you’re in your car later in the day when it’s carried.

So wherever you are, thanks for being on board with us today. Now, this is a Special Friday program. We’re actually on location that is very, very unusual. Technically it’s rather difficult to do, but we are in Mid-State Pennsylvania today. We don’t do this very often as I said, but we’re here for a very special reason because we’re at a church and we’re part of a three station ministry out of this church that were the first stations to carry not only this program stand in the gap today, but stand in the Gap weekend and originally stand in the Gap minute. That began well back about 12 years ago now. So it’s pretty amazing. So we’re here for that purpose. Now, a special guest today, representative Stephanie Borowicz. She’s here with me. She represents the 76th District representing Clinton County and a part of Union County here in the mid-state of Pennsylvania, your third term member of the Pennsylvania General Assembly. But thank you so much for being here. You’ve been with us on this special program before, but thank you for being here.

Stephanie Borowicz:

Of course, of course. I always love to come drive out this way and come on the show. You guys do an amazing job. So thank you guys for all that you’re doing. Speaking truth speaking, the gospel of Jesus Christ, it’s so important right now.

Sam Rohrer:

Yes, those like us on radio, those of you in office, I was in office for a long time, how important it is Mom and dad’s in the home speaking truth. I mean, speaking truth is not reserved to one person. It really is the obligation of all. And so anyways, thank you for the part that you do. Now we’re going to ask you, Dave and I are going to pose a couple of questions to you. Let me ask you a personal question first, because your Christian faith is well-known. You’re a pastor’s wife also, which is pretty unique. You’re a mom. All of these things are quite unusual, but we’ve talked in the past about that. But here’s my question to you right now, since your election to office, what kind of changes have you seen in the attitude of say, fellow colleagues towards as a Christian member or perhaps the media cultural generally, we have seen things, even President Trump has signed an executive order to try to stop anti-Christian persecution more or less. But what have you seen and anything specific? I think something happened actually on the floor of the house. Tell us about it.

Stephanie Borowicz:

So in 2019, it’s the one thing I wanted to do when I got into office was to pray. Benjamin Franklin was the speaker of the house, and I said, I just want to be able to pray that speakers rostrum it it’s way up high, and you’re a new term state representative, you’re nervous. And I got up there and I just prayed as I always did, my heart to Jesus, and I spoke his name 13 times. Well, my gosh, I was met right off the floor with the AP saying, do you renounce this prayer? I go, I never would never apologize for praying. And so from that time, I got such vitriol because of praying and speaking Jesus’ name. But from that time, I would say Sam, nationwide, I’ve seen a huge change in the State House. I don’t know if I can say that I’ve seen this massive change in the State House of Pennsylvania with it, but nationwide, I’ve seen God since that time.

I’m not saying because of my prayer, I’m just saying in general with people being, like you said, persecuted for our faith in America, the things that we’ve endured since that time. And then through covid all that happened. I have seen God use the bad for the good. And so now there was an interview on Fox, it said Gen Z, 65% of Gen Z is coming back to faith in Jesus and reading their bibles. And so we’re seeing now this huge, I want to say great awakening again in this nation. And it gives me chills to see what Jesus is doing and especially with the younger generations from their moms, like you said, I’m just a stay-at-home mom that chose to speak up and stand up for Jesus and stand up for freedom and liberty that comes through Jesus. And now we’re seeing all these young kids start to read their bibles again, call upon Jesus Christ because he is our only hope. So I am seeing it, the Bible back in schools, how amazing is this? I think it was Oklahoma and the 10 Commandments. I mean David Barton and them are going around and getting the 10 Commandments back in our schools. So it’s an amazing time to be alive to see this happen,

Sam Rohrer:

All of us. It takes a lot of salt, not one grain of salt somewhere out on the street somewhere, but a lot of salt makes a big difference. Dave, you got a question for Stephanie?

Dave Kistler:

Stephanie, I can relate to you just a little bit. Back in 2004, I had the opportunity to actually lead in prayer in the United States Senate and I prayed in Jesus’ name, which they really don’t like you praying a sectarian prayer. But I did it anyway. And the minute I walked off the floor, a young Senate page came up to me and said, would you sign my copy of today’s congressional record? They pre-print everything except the one who prays. And I said, well, are they going to carry me out back and hang me after I sign your copy? And he laughed. He said, no. He said, but I want your signature because nobody will pray in Jesus’ name. They just don’t have the courage to do it. Wow. It was a wonderful, wonderful opportunity, and what I received was more positive than negative. There was negative, but I received a lot of positive even on Capitol Hill.

What I want to ask you about is we just got a new president. Okay. The change has been whirlwind, I think it was. Yeah, it’s been phenomenal. And I’m not sure if it was Wall Street Journal, one of ’em said they can’t even report it fast enough. By the time they get ready to report it, he’s done two other things. So there’s dramatic change taking place nationwide, all of which is great. I’m just wondering, you said you haven’t seen a lot of change necessarily in the Pennsylvania state legislature. Do you anticipate what’s happening under President Trump exerting tremendous influence and changing maybe even some of the workings of the Pennsylvania legislature?

Stephanie Borowicz:

Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I think Billy Graham said, when one man is courageous, the spine of others is stiffened. And so now we’re seeing, okay, one man is courageous. All it takes is one man to stand. And then guess what? Everyone else follows behind. So now Donald Trump is speaking out on these issues stronger than a lot of pastors, I got to say. And standing up for what is right and what is righteous. It’s miraculous to watch. And so now we see other people flocking to that and they are strengthened by his strength and what he’s doing. And so I do, I’m going to speak by faith. I’m going to anticipate that that is going to happen in the State House of Pennsylvania. This is the foundation, this is the seed of a nation. This is Pennsylvania where it all started. And so I’ve been saying, put it back. We’re going to put it back. As it began in the foundation of Pennsylvania, freedom of religion started here, the Second Amendment, all the things that our founding fathers gave us. And before that, the pilgrims we’re going to put it back. This is our 250th year. We shouldn’t be here. But by the grace of God, Donald Trump is alive, right? By the grace of God that this nation is still going and we’re still fighting for freedom. It’s what a privilege, what a time to be alive. Like I said before,

Dave Kistler:

Grace of God, Donald Trump survived a shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania. Amazing. It changed him. There’s no question it changed him. We can

Stephanie Borowicz:

See the difference.

Dave Kistler:

You can

Stephanie Borowicz:

See the difference. You can see the difference in how he acts. He’s more resolute. He doesn’t, not that he cared before, he didn’t really care, but he has a different sense about him and he’s going to do what’s right no matter what. And he did that anyway. But I was telling my dad this the other night, he’s just more resolute even in his mission. And he knows he has a short timeframe these two years and then hopefully another two. He has a short timeframe to turn this back. We were in real trouble. We had persecuted Christians in jail in America. Just think of that. We had persecuted people in jail in America by our government. What a time. And God’s giving us a reprieve and a small window of grace to reverse all that was done. And that’s what we’re seeing. This is a reversal of all that was done and hidden is going to be exposed. The Bible says that verse,

Dave Kistler:

It’s a space of grace that we’ve been given. He as the church,

Stephanie Borowicz:

He guide that. So the church has to speak and continue to stand on these issues. So then we have more grace that God’s going to give us. This is undeserved.

Dave Kistler:

Will you turn it back to Sam? We’ve been given a reprieve and President Trump is operating with tremendous reform, but what we need is revival, a spiritual awakening. And may the reprieve and reform morph into the revival.

Stephanie Borowicz:

That’s right. That’s why this Gen Z, 65% of them come into Jesus reading God’s word, getting that hiding God’s word in their heart so they don’t sin against him. I’m telling you, we’re on the brink of revival in this nation, and that’s a great awakening and that’s exciting.

Sam Rohrer:

And Stephanie, I hardly have any time to ask you a national question. You’re on the agriculture committee here. Avian Bird Flu is across the country today, Pennsylvania. I heard it this morning, was officially announced as being dairy herd avian Free. That was a claim. But as far as the hens go, that laying the eggs, eggs up to $10 a dozen in New York and over a hundred million of these birds killed. Pennsylvania is a major agricultural state, but it’s a big deal across the country. Are we doing anything here in Pennsylvania? Any discussion that you are having as a part of the committee in order to really keep a handle on this? Because I’m afraid some of what I’m calling silly protocols that with a PCR test and the beak of one bird, find it potentially positive and then kill the entire flock of a hundred thousand

Stephanie Borowicz:

Killing the whole

Sam Rohrer:

Entire, something is wrong with this. So what do you think?

Stephanie Borowicz:

Okay, so I kind of sounded the alarm on this on house Bill 3 24 because I told the members in the state how Sam, I’m not too old to forget four years ago in Covid, huh? Wow. And now here we are, a house Bill 3 24 that they rammed through Sam two weeks ago I think it was, or a week and a half ago. And it gave the Department of Agriculture broad authority in quarantine orders. And they said, well, he already has these authority already has quarantine ability. So I said, then tell me how they go. Well, this strengthens it. So I go, please tell me how this strengthens it. There was no explanation in the bill of what that meant. And so they would not explain to me the strengthening that is going to be given to the Department of Ag. And I said, can they just go on our property without a warrant and kill our chickens and our backyard chickens? It’s very scary. Sam and I sounded the alarm in this. It did kind of go a little bit out there on X, but it was very hard to get people to understand even just four years after Covid is happening. And I’m not saying that it’s exactly the same, but this is what they’re going to do that they literally have given us the signs that they could use this and do another quote,

Sam Rohrer:

Pandemic and a break is about up Representative Stephanie Borowitz, thank you so much and thank you for making clear that you and others are recognizing the parallel because it is a great parallel and this is a matter of freedom. It is a matter of true science, but this is a matter of real issue because this is food and this is causing everybody. So anyway, thank you so much for being there and standing in the gap where you are in office. Stay with us ladies and gentlemen. We’ll be back. Well welcome back to Standing in the Gap today. This is again, a special program if you’re just joining us right now, we’re halfway through the program, but this is also a special program. We do it once a year and it has a lot to do with the technical difficulty of doing a program live from a local location like we are in Mid-State, Pennsylvania.

Today we’re sitting in a church, a small church in a place called Beaver Springs, Pennsylvania, but it’s in a church. And the reason that we’re here is that this church has a couple of actually three radio stations now that were one of the very, very first three and five, depending upon the station that carried Stand in the Gap minute and then stand in the Gap weekend and then in order this program stand in the Gap today. And that pastor is going to talk to him in the next segment. But anyways, that’s what we’re doing. That’s what’s a little bit different about the program. And so what you hear and the way we’re interacting is a little different because of that. But I want you to know because you can’t see us, we can’t see you, but you may be able to hear the difference. But with that in mind, I want to welcome to the program right now with evangelist Dave Kistler and I who are hosting the program here today, Pennsylvania Treasurer, Stacy Garrity, and Stacy.

So glad that you could be here and look at some of the people that voted for you literally in your capacity, but also spend a few minutes with us and our millions of listeners across the country. And frankly now, as I mentioned earlier in Africa, but Stacy, let me get right into, we’re going to ask you a couple personal questions and then a policy focus because as the 78th, I believe, treasurer of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, which is a long serving, one of the original colonies here in our nation, you follow in the footsteps of many, many people before you who’ve had the responsibility of watching money, which is the focus of today’s news frankly. But as a person of integrity, how does your faith in God, this is the personal part, how does your faith in, in view of the Bible, how does that shape your actions and policies as state treasurer where you frankly oversee billions of dollars? So it’s not any small thing and people may not think that, well, it’s just an automatic thing, but you do bring a worldview to what you’re doing and handling money. Can you share just a little bit about how that’s affected impacts what you do?

Stacy Garrity:

I can, and first I am so happy to be with you, Sam and Dave at Stand in the Gap today. And so like many people listening to your program today, I’m from rural Pennsylvania, much like Beaver Springs and too many people in rural Pennsylvania feel like government leaves them behind and sometimes I have to be honest, they do. So my rural values my faith in God, hard work, doing what’s best for your community, looking out for your neighbor. Those are part of what guide my decision make in the management of public funds. And you mentioned billions of dollars. It’s actually 170 billion. And of course, being a good steward is biblical. And because Pennsylvanians work so hard to make a living, it’s my job as the commonwealth’s fiscal watchdog to make sure that your taxpayer dollars are squandered on silly expenses. Because in rural Pennsylvania, we have to live within a budget.

We have to live within our means, and government should do the same and we don’t. So transparency, I think around government spending is so crucial to make sure that the checks and balances can work. So I’m going to give you an example. So at treasury we have a transparency portal. And so what this portal does, it allows taxpayers to look how their dollars are being spent here in Pennsylvania. And remember during the pandemic when Governor Wolf was spending millions and millions of dollars in non budgeted funds, and this was through a vehicle called Ledger five, ledger five doesn’t. Okay, well, I added a page to the transparency portal that had not been approved so everybody could see exactly what was spent that was not approved by the legislature. And so now you can see everything. So this year alone, there’s a hundred million dollars on Ledger five on the transparency portal that you can look to see.

And these are Pennsylvania government agencies without the permission of the state legislature, they spend the money. So regarding the spending of money, we live in a country with a sacred system of checks and balances and a representative democracy both here in Pennsylvania and nationally. So it’s the responsibility of our elected members of the state legislature like Representative Borowicz who you just heard from and members of Congress to decide how to spend the public funds. And as a conservative, I always think we spend too much money and our elected officials, they can do everything they can to make government live within their means. And when our elected officials aren’t living up to the standard, it’s important that the people they represent are aware and make their voices heard and hold them accountable. And that’s why transparency is so important. And if anybody wants to look to see what we’re spending money on, you just have to go to pa treasury.gov/transparency and you can see every dollar

Sam Rohrer:

Treasurer Garrity. Thanks for that. David’s going to ask you a question about something that’s real live. It’s in the news, but I hear you mention a couple of things which I appreciate stewardship. That’s a very biblical term. It’s an understanding that the money you handle is not your money. That’s a novel thing for government officials, isn’t it? To consider that it is their property. Think about that. The money that you handle and you oversee its property that belongs to taxpayer, that’s a biblical thing. Transparency, you talked about that responsibility, I heard you use that word. All of those are concepts that right off the pages of scripture. So thanks for mentioning them. Let’s just shift to an practical application here now, because a lot of this is in the news. Dave, you got a great question,

Dave Kistler:

Stacy. Thank you. My heart was stirred. It’s like inhaling pure oxygen to listen to you answer that first question because you don’t hear that very much. So I want to go to the national level. Obviously we have been watching as the Department of Government efficiency, doge, as it’s called, headed up by Elon Musk, has been finding enormous amounts of waste, fraud and abuse. Just the U-S-A-I-D abuse has been astounding. I was listening to a list of how they’ve spent 40 billion in waste. It’s just, it’s stunning. So my question to you, is this the way that’s being done, the way Donald Trump has set this up, do you believe that is appropriate and what they’re finding is that going to result in positive change to the nation? And how may that affect things even here within the state of Pennsylvania?

Stacy Garrity:

That’s a great question, Dave, and I am so excited and encouraged by what President Trump is doing with Doge because here’s the thing about Doge, it’s a focus on the E and that stands for efficiency. And so you’d be, to put it into context, you’d be hard pressed to find two members of Congress who are going to agree on what program you should cut. But any elected official who is doing the job for the right reason would have no issue with making our government more efficient. And that’s exactly what they’re doing and what they’re finding. I mean, I think a lot of people aren’t surprised that there’s ways fraud and abuse, but they’re surprised about the magnitude of it because it really is outstanding. So Doge may have already saved taxpayers $50 billion, but I hear today there’s all kinds of numbers floating around. But today they’re going to put an official number on the Doge website, so I can’t wait to see it.

So while increasing efficiency is important, the other great thing about Doge is it gives us insight into waste, fraud, and abuse at the federal level. I can’t wait to watch it unfold. I am so excited about it and seeing our government clean up the mess instead of what they usually do, which is push it under the rug. So Doge at the federal level has allowed states to also start asking those questions. How can we learn how to cut our operation and save taxpayer dollars? So thankfully in Pennsylvania, my office was doing Doge before it was cool thing to do. So my office makes every payment in the Commonwealth. And last year, 10 million payments went through what is called fiscal review. So fiscal review is a process in my office that reviews every single payment to ensure that it’s lawful and correct. And last year alone, my office stopped $1.7 billion worth of improper payments.

So here’s another example, unemployment compensation fraud. That’s another issue that can be a big waste of taxpayer dollars. And thankfully my office was able to claw back about $2 billion in additional fraud over and above that 1.7 billion. Now because of our work to prevent this kind of fraud, we were the very first state in the nation to statutorily implement a system called a VS. And just to make it very simple, what a VS, it’s just a way to make sure that the banking account information we have on file matches up with before the payment goes out the door. And that’s very important. But there are other government agencies right here in Pennsylvania that could benefit from the Doge process. And I’m going to give you just one example, and that’s the Department of Revenue. So last year the Department of Revenue was an organized and they were late on issuing tax return payments to Pennsylvania taxpayers.

Now because of this, they had to pay $48.7 million in interest. So let’s just cut to the chase the Department of Revenue because giving taxpayers back their own money, they had to spend even more taxpayer money to pay the interest of almost $50 million. So the other thing, government agencies in Pennsylvania, they’re not tied to the federal do not pay system. And this means that Pennsylvania government agencies like the Department of Human Services where the federal government is finding a lot of waste, fraud and abuse, they don’t have access to the most relevant information like the death records, fraudulent contractors, shady financial institutions, and so much more. So it’s these kinds of small changes that can save taxpayers here in Pennsylvania and across the country, incredibly large amounts of money just by making government more

Sam Rohrer:

Efficient. And Pennsylvania Treasurer, Stacy Garrity, thank you for being with us today because what you were saying as you’re listening across the country, she’s speaking from a state perspective elected by the citizens as a treasurer, unlike the appointment of the Secretary of the Treasury in the US that was told by the bosses before to approve every check that went out the door, not to question it. Can you see the difference? This is how there is hope in what is being done. Thanks for setting the example here in Pennsylvania. Stay with us ladies and gentlemen, pastor Denny. Alright, well here we go. We’re on the final segment now. So if you’ve been with us from the beginning of this program, thank you so very, very much As you’ve heard me say, if you’ve been with us, this is a special program in the standpoint that we are on location.

We’re actually in a church. You cannot see what I see because you can’t see through my eyes, I can’t see you as you’re listening to me. And that’s one of the things about radio we have to imagine and we do imagine who’s listening to us. That’s why when I say send us a letter, let us know. Call us what you hear, how God is blessing you through the program. That’s why it’s so very important because when I hear from many of you who I do literally from every one of the 50 states and I’m hearing comments from because they’re standing, the gap minutes is in central Europe. Now I’m hearing responses from people in central Europe and now in Central Africa and Kenya that carrying this program, it’s important to hear because I get a reflection of how people are thinking. Some of you will tell me that you listen when you’re in the car waiting to pick up your children from school.

That’s a great thing. I can picture that some I know are saying that you were in the kitchen as mom, you’re working on dinner maybe for this evening, it gives me an idea. And men, same thing. So anyways, that helps us to picture who you are and where you’re calling from. So when I say drop us a note, it really does. It really does mean a lot. So that being the case, but a special treat we have here, as I mentioned earlier in the program because it was years ago that God opened up this ministry and began this ministry of standing in the gap in American Pastor’s network. But the individual that’s sitting right beside me right now, pastor Denny, Mallonee had a back at that point. You have this church here, but you started a radio ministry. Now most churches don’t have radio ministries. It’s rather unique, but let’s find out just a little bit about it and then Dave Kistler is with me today, cohost, we’re going to ask you another question. But here’s my question for you. Can you recall, can you think back far enough about it, Denny to remember this? What was it that God did and laid on your heart that caused you to say, you know what? Perhaps a Christian radio ministry would be a good thing out of this church and a good thing in this part of the state?

Denny Mallonee:

Well, I was challenged by a fellow that was an engineer and he said, what do you think about starting a radio station? What do you think? I said, I think you’re nuts. I said, you’re crazy. I said, there’s no way we could do anything like that. Guess what? We got crazy. But it’s been a great privilege. We started in 2004, 2007 we started making application for Class A. We started as a low power FM and then we went to Class A and the Lord opened the door. Eventually we got three different radio stations, and so we praised the Lord for what he has done. Then he opened up the door to do live streaming. And I know some people that are listening, Gary asked, do I know somebody’s listening right now from North Carolina? I think he said, I know we got folks right now listening from Tennessee on this station plus 550 some other stations around the country, around the world for standing in the gap. And we’re just so excited that we could start getting stand in the gap on radio because Sam Rohr been a champion for truth. And Sam Rohrer had a burden. They build the Stand in the Gap program, the newspaper in one hand, the Bible in the other. This is what the news says. This is what God says about the news. This is what folks need to hear. We were dedicated for, we want people to hear the truth.

Sam Rohrer:

And Danny, we want to thank you for you following the moving of the Lord in your heart years ago because you have reached through this ministry, tens of thousands of people. And while, can I just take a moment while I’m talking to Denny Melanie here in Mid-State Pennsylvania, WFBM Ministry, there are many of you listening to me right now all across the country that listen on Calvary Satellite Network, several hundred stations across the country. Carrie, the Minute program, the weekend program, and this, I want to thank all of you because you are a part of a network of stations that somebody else has started down at Kingdom Keys Network. You’re listening about 20 stations down there in Oklahoma and Tennessee and network a lot of other smaller things. The weekend program, not listening to me right now, American Family Radio Network carries the weekend program.

So together, well over a thousand stations carry these programs. But I want all of those listening to me now and those sitting here to understand that had it not been for an individual like this man sitting beside me, this pastor who early on said, you know what? If you do a minute program, stand in a gap minute. I will carry it and the weekend program, I will carry it. And to today program. Had that not happened by you, Denny, as I’m looking at you and just a couple of other stations in Pennsylvania, we would not be speaking to people right now in every one of the 50 states and in the continent of Africa. So I want everyone listening to understand your decisions many times go far beyond what you will see at the moment when the Lord speaks, act upon it. Thank you for being Lord’s worth living

Denny Mallonee:

You for having the vision. I remember when we sat in that little meeting room down in Lancaster and you shared the vision that you had of Pennsylvania Pastors Network, which expanded into American Pastors Network. That was all

Sam Rohrer:

There all of in our part, Danny. But Dave, we only have a couple minutes left. I know you’ve got a question burning in your heart.

Dave Kistler:

I’m in a rush. Obviously, your radio station was the very first to carry the stand in the Gap minute program and then it was one of three stations to begin carrying initially the Stand in the Gap weekend stand in the gap today shows. How did Stand in the Gap today fit into your mission just to start Christian radio period. What was it about standing in the gap today that was unique?

Denny Mallonee:

Well, when I heard the vision that Sam had about starting this radio program called Standing in the Gap Today, I thought, man, we got to get that fits in with our agenda. We’re broadcasting the music and the message of our master, the Lord Jesus Christ. And we want people to hear the truth, the truth. Jesus said, you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. And it’s so important that people get to hear God’s truth. And so what a wonderful privilege we have to have stand in the gap as part of our radio programming and it’s probably our most popular program. We have listeners that write in, and I know you’ve had listeners write in from other stations. We’re just glad we can be a part of that and listen, a lot of folks in the church here made sacrifices. Now I’m looking at some folks and a lot of you have given and financially supported to keep us on the air, and that’s what made it all possible. We’re all a team working together for the Lord

Sam Rohrer:

And Pastor Denny Mallonee here at Faith Baptist Church in Beaver Springs, Pennsylvania. Thank you so much, Dave. It’s been wonderful to be with you today here on the program. And ladies and gentlemen, as we just conclude here right now, can I just put this thought in your mind? And that is, here it is. We’re talking on radio and reaching millions of people across the country. That doesn’t happen very often and not many people can do that. But at the end of the day, every one of us has a voice that reaches someone. Can I encourage all of us to under and view ourselves as messengers of the truth. Where we have been placed for us in this ministry. We try to do what God has us to do where we are. But if we all did what we could where we are much bigger than any radio or TV station in the world, stand in the gap for truth. Communicate the truth where you are, be faithful and God will bless it far more than anything we can ever imagine. Thanks for being with us today. God bless you. Have a great weekend. We’ll see you back on Monday.