Bringing the Power of God to the Power of Government
March 4, 2025
Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell
Guest: Kurt Weaver
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/4/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Jamie Mitchell:
Well, hello friends and welcome to Stand In the Gap. Today I am your host, Jamie Mitchell, director of church culture at the American Pastors Network, and I love a joke, I love a good pun, and some of my favorite jokes are the ones that target politicians here, a couple of my favorites. So why do thieves never target politicians’? Homes answer a professional courtesy. Here’s another one. What do you call a bad lawyer? Answer, A senator. I was once arrested for impersonating a politician, but all I was doing was sitting in my office with my feet up doing nothing. Well, one last one. Why isn’t the government displaying a nativity scene this Christmas? They can’t find three wise men. Well, I know that you probably could laugh along with me with those jokes, but the problem is deep down, we often feel that way towards some of our elected officials.
Matter of fact, last month Gallup Poll said that Congress has a 17% favorability rate and only 11% trust the government, which means they don’t trust politicians and elected officials. In general, public service used to be a revered profession. If you had the privilege to run for office and get elected, it was honorable and an important place in society. I remember growing up as a kid, my parents used to teach me to respect policemen, firemen, military people, school teachers, pastors, and elected officials, no matter their political affiliation. That’s not the case today. Some may say that one of the reasons that we do not look highly on politicians is we don’t think they work very hard or they are often corrupt. Like any profession, you always have a few bad apples, yet there are many who are hardworking, caring, and go into government desiring to make a difference.
The question is how do we treat them? How do we show them appreciation, support? How do we demonstrate gratitude for their service? And let me go just a little bit deeper. As a follower of Jesus Christ, we need to ask how do we minister to them and make an impact to them with the gospel? Well, today I want to discuss how do we bring the power of God and the gospel to the power of government and consider how to spiritually impact those who serve in our capitals. To help me is Kurt Weaver. Kurt is the director of the Church Ambassadors Network. It’s an organization committed to building bridges from God’s house to the State House and to bring the love of Christ to our elected officials. We’re going to hear about his ministry and how you and your church could be involved. Kurt, welcome to Stand In the Gap.
Kurt Weaver:
Hey, it is great to be on this radio show and yeah, thank you very much, Jamie for having me on. This is great.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, Kurt, I’ve spoken to a lot of people over time and many do not have warm and fuzzy feelings about politicians and elected officials. You spend a lot of time walking the halls of state capitals and you have met a lot of these public servants. Why should we look at them differently and from your advantage point, what are they really like?
Kurt Weaver:
I often tell people that politicians are no different than the rest of us. I mean, certainly God has given them a particular and unique role within our world, but Jamie, I often think about Romans 13 that tells us that God is the one who calls our leaders into government. He’s the one that places them there. And so since they’re there, what do we do with that? Right? I mean, our aim then is to do what we can to show honor and to show respect to those that God has placed in leadership. And so we aim to do that with elected officials no matter what political party they’re a part of.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, Kurt, when you think about it, there are in whatever profession there is, there are those who go off the rails sometimes, and they’re, as we may say, bad apples or there’s a bad actor in all of them, and that’s true within the political realm. But the fact of the matter is, and you can speak to this, the people that you meet when you walk around the capitol, their husbands, their wives, their moms, their dads, they have life issues. Isn’t that true? What kinds of things have you seen in your time ministering on state capitals?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, like I said earlier, really, our leaders are much like us. They’re living life, like you said, their parents, their husbands, their wives. They are also living life like the rest of us. And so many times we get opportunities as we’re caring for our leaders, reading scripture with them, praying for them, and engaging them, that we get a chance to show the love of Christ Jesus to them in a very unique manner because honestly, no one is really reaching out to our legislators and showing them kindness and grace and wanting to pray for them. I had this one experience with a legislator out in Western pa, and she’s not a believer and probably did grow up in the church, but here we are with a number of pastors. We’re there, we’re talking with her, we’re ministering to her, and at the end we say, we’re going to pray for you representative. And she goes, oh, well, how does this work?
And so we said, well, we’re going to go to our Heavenly Father and on behalf of you, we’re going to be praying to the Almighty God on your request. And so we spent time just praying for her, and at the end she opens up her, we all open up her eyes and she has tears running down her face and she goes, wow, this is her exact words. She goes, wow, I have never experienced that before. And then she said this, in fact, I don’t recall ever being at the center of anyone’s prayers before. And so like you said, we do need to humanize our leaders. They need prayer. And that’s why God tells us in one Timothy two to pray for those who are in high positions.
Jamie Mitchell:
I mean, one of the issues that we face, and we’re obviously going to talk about it during this program, when you share a little bit about what Church Ambassadors Network does as they go onto the campus of a Capitol and they interact with our elected officials, one of the things that we’ve got to recognize is that politicians, and this is what I’ve learned in my contact with them, everybody is always coming to them looking for something. They’re looking for a favor. They’re looking for help or they’re looking for an somewhere yet, if we as believers and we as pastors will go to them and not look to get something from them, but give to them, God will do some amazing things. As we minister to this very unique group of people, I think it’s important before we learn how to minister to them, we fully grasp that these people are human, they’re vulnerable, some are hurting, and most are generally good people who want to make a difference.
Now when we return, how do you get close enough to them to share the love and the power of God? Stay with us here at Stand of the Gap today. Well, welcome back. Our guest is Kurt Weaver from the Church Ambassadors Network. They reach out to elected officials. They attempt to connect pastors and church leaders with government leaders. Kurt, we’ve already established that those who work in the government, they’re ordinary people. They got a difficult job, and some of them are desperately in need of a touch with the Lord. Would you just take a moment and share a little bit about the strategy of Church Ambassadors Network and how you tried to connect with them, but also are elected officials really open to spiritual things, especially if they’re not people of faith?
Kurt Weaver:
Well, yeah. What’s really interesting is yeah, sometimes your elected officials might not be interested, but many times we are taking pastors from their own district to come in to meet with them. And so now you’re talking about a constituent of them. And so we are coming in and we want to introduce them to the gospel centered pastors and their districts, and we sit down with them and we spend time going through scripture and praying for them. And many times, even if they aren’t believers, they’re actually encouraged with the spiritual conversation. They often say to our elected leaders, I say, do you realize that you’re mentioned a lot of times in the Bible? And they’re like, what? And so we go to some of those passages that talk about what it means to be a governing authority or a leader within God’s economy. And so we open up the scriptures, we talk about them, they ask questions.
The pastors are there. We get a chance to pray for them. And so two things that we aim to do in these meetings is one, to help them see who they are in God’s economy and who they might be in Christ Jesus. And then the second thing is we want them to see the local church as an important resource to the problems of our world. And believe it or not, Jamie, we don’t have hard times getting meetings with our elected officials. They’re actually very open, and our meetings are so different than any other meetings they have, like you mentioned, the first segment. These meetings, we’re not going in asking for things. We’re actually coming to serve them, to pour into them, to encourage them in the God-given role that they have, and to talk about how the state and the church can actually work together to solve some of the community issues that we’re facing.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, Kurt, I’ve been on a number of capitals over the years. A matter of fact, I had the opportunity to actually pray at the opening session of the House of Representatives one time. But when you look at the capitol and you look at all the security and you look at the vastness of what government looks like, it could be somewhat ominous, it could be somewhat intimidating. How do you gain access and how is it that you connect with these government leaders? Does it just happen? I mean, do you just walk into their office? What is that process that leads up to you actually getting a time with them?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, that’s actually a great question and a very practical question of that. So we have a wonderful team here. So the Church Ambassador Network, we’re part of the Pennsylvania Family Institute, but there’s a number of church ambassador networks across our nation. Actually, there’s about 20 states that have church ambassador networks. And the way we go about it is we have two things that we do. One, we are setting up meetings with our elected officials either at the capitols or in their districts, but number two, we are bringing pastors to our capitals every time they’re in session. And sometimes we have scheduled meetings and sometimes they’re just ad hoc meetings. We’re seeing legislators in the hallway, we’re pulling them aside saying, Hey, how can we pray for you today? And we have this verse to share with you. We’re stopping by legislators offices, and many times we’re even ministering to the staffers as well. It’s very important to do so because many times they’re hurting as well, and they’re working through their own issues in their own lives, and they’re the ones that are helping the legislator think about what is wise and what is good for our states. And so that’s kind of how we work at it.
Jamie Mitchell:
Let’s talk a couple more things I want to mention about these visits. You just mentioned staffers. I mean, every office, whether it’s a member of the House of Representatives or a Senate or whatever, elected officials, there is a myriad of people that work around them, isn’t there?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, there certainly are now some leaders depending on what kind of leadership they have. Some have more than others. But yes, almost every legislator has office staff either in their district or at their capitals. And some of these staffers have been there much longer even than the legislator themselves. In fact, the staffers are the ones that have institutional knowledge and they’re there to help guide the legislators on maybe what has happened in the past or how to go about things and what relationships they should have. And so when you’re talking about legislative staff, they are sometimes extreme. Well, they are extremely important to the legislative process.
Jamie Mitchell:
I remember that I learned years ago when calling elected officials that you either got to get the secretary or the scheduler. That was the title, the scheduler. That was the secret to getting any door open and getting some access. But Kurt, I want to ask you, as you go into these offices, you sit down, you may meet with some staff members, or you actually meet with the elected officials and you say to them, you’re here because you are concerned for them. You love them, you want to pray for them, you want to minister to them. Do you actually get into significant spiritual conversations with them? And I guess the part of that is, is it ever inappropriate to ask certain things? Do you ever feel like, especially when you’re talking about spiritual things, that you’re kind of crossing the line into their personal world?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, I mean, I think as you build relationships with your legislators, I think our conversations probably go deeper because as you know with any of us, many times we’re not necessarily an open book with strangers. It takes time until we’re able to trust the individual and let them into our own personal lives. One of the things I love to ask legislators is to ask them, Hey, what keeps you up at night right now? What are some of the burdens that you’re carrying either vocationally or even personally? And when you ask someone how you can pray for them, many times you get a window into what might be happening in their lives, or if you’re at the capitol or legislative office and you walk in and they seem just overwhelmed and tired, those are great opportunities to ask them, what are things going on that are making you so run down and tired?
The way you ask questions and the way you share care to the individual will probably most likely determine on how open they are. Do we feel like we’re crossing the line? I tell the pastors and even the legislators when I meet with them, I say, listen, this is all confidential. So our meetings, we’re not going around telling them what they say about who they might be struggling with. Maybe it’s one of their colleagues or maybe they’re dealing with something with their family or whatever it is. We tell them all the time, this is a confidential meeting that we’re not going to be sharing these types of things. So that does allow them to be a little bit more open, but honestly, it does take some time to build that relationship.
Jamie Mitchell:
Kurt, does the Church Ambassadors Network, do you focus primarily on state capitals or do you take pastors around to meet, let’s say congressmen or US senators or other elected officials?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, primarily the Church Ambassador Network is working within the particular state that they’re in. And so most of the interactions we’re going to have is with state government, so it’s going to be the state legislature, it’s going to be the state executive branch, and even our state judiciary as well. And so our aim is to get into all three branches of government within the state. Now, we also do a lot with our US federal leaders as well, but primarily we are focused on the state because a lot of times as a pastor, these leaders are the ones that are the most closest to you. They affect your lives, they’re in your backyard, and so you have that granular relationship that you might not have on the federal level.
Jamie Mitchell:
The reason I say that, Kurt, is of the things that I’m hoping that this program does is sparked in the mind of our listeners, this whole idea of ministering to elected officials, what you do on a state capitol, where you take a group of pastors and introduce them to their state elected officials, whether it’s in the house or the state Senate, and get them around even maybe some of the governor’s offices and the governor’s workers in that realm. But there’s another whole level of elected officials that churches and pastors should be looking at. Mayors, city council, school board members, their US congressmen, their US senators who usually have numbers of offices, whether it’s in their legislative district or across the state. And I’ve said it that those who serve in government, local, state, federal, the plethora of staffs, this is a mission field and this field is white at the harvest when we come back, how to connect pastors with elected officials.
That’s the other part of Kurt’s ministry. It’s not just to minister to the elected officials, get the pastors to meet them. Now you come back. We’re going to discuss more with Kurt Weaver here at Stand of the Gap today. Well, thank you again for entrusting an hour of your precious time to us, and we always hope and pray that this hour is filled with things to encourage you, inspire you, inform you, but also to inform your pastor and let your church know of the different ministry and opportunities that are out there. Again, as I always say, you can always go to stand in the gap media.org. You can look up archive programs or maybe even the program of the day, and you can send that link to your pastor, and I would really encourage you to do that today so that they will know exactly about Kurt Weaver and the Ministry of Church Ambassadors Network. Kurt, I know you minister specifically and particularly to the elected officials on the Pennsylvania State Capitol, but Church Ambassadors Network is happening in other states. Could you just take a moment, share about your ministry, where did it come from and how those who are listening can find out about it, maybe find out about a church ambassador network staff member in their particular state, or how as a pastor they can get involved?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, so the Church Ambassador Network actually began out in Iowa, the family leader in Iowa, which is a family policy council organization, and there’s about 40 of those types of organizations around the state. I’m here with Pennsylvania Family Institute, but nonetheless, it started out in Iowa and they put this great program together on, Hey, how can the church, in particular, the shepherds of God’s people, pastors be engaging the shepherds of government or elected leaders? And so they started to do this model out in Iowa, and it made a huge difference within their state government. I mean, just consider this when the church actually engages in a particular area, man, what kind of change might take place because we know that God’s word does not return void. And when we step in and we pray and care for our leaders, God does some amazing things. And so in Iowa, God was just doing some incredible things there with the Church Ambassador Network, and then it started being implicated across the multiplied across our nation. And so there are about 20 other states that have church ambassador networks in them. And if you want to find them, just do a quick Google search Church Ambassador Network, and then whatever state you’re in. And normally the Church Ambassador Network is tied to the Family Policy Council or institute of that particular state.
Jamie Mitchell:
And part of your strategy of your ministry is you said, to take God’s shepherds and to get them to connect. Explain how that works, and are pastors open to this kind of involvement? Kurt,
Kurt Weaver:
Listen, I’ll tell you Jamie, and I know you do as well. I love the local church. I love pastors, and we are so blessed as a nation to have such wonderful pastors and strong gospel centered churches all across our country. And so I am completely grateful. Even here in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, we have many, many, many Gospel center churches. And so basically many pastors, some are open to it and some are reluctant to it. And the reason why some might be reluctant to it is because they have been told maybe that there’s a separation of church and state, or maybe they’ve been told that the political realm is messy, which it is. But I am always trying to encourage pastors to not underestimate the ministry that we had to government. And if not us, then who is going to be working with them? Who’s going to be influencing them? Who’s going to be caring for them? Who’s going to be trying to keep them accountable? It has to be the faith community, and we have to be able to be able to voice the gospel of Christ and the values that God has within this world to our elected officials. And so I tell pastors, Hey, just come one time and just taste it, taste it, and see it. And you will see that this is an important ministry opportunity for pastors.
Jamie Mitchell:
Now, Kurt, when you take a group of pastors, let’s say to the Capitol, you usually go in a group and you visit a number of elected officials while you’re there. Some of these pastors are also meeting people who are not serving their district or their precinct, but they’re getting to go with other pastors and to minister to these other people as well. So is there kind of a crossing over that takes place with some of these pastors where they get to meet more than just the people who represent them?
Kurt Weaver:
Oh, yeah, completely. I mean, Jamie, I know that when you’re a pastor, you did a lot to build relationships and network of pastors. I am surprised even within districts how many pastors don’t know each other. And then even at the Capitol, when we’re bringing many pastors from around the state together, they get to know each other and they build these relationships, and then they themselves are encouraged that there are other gospel centered churches and pastors around the state. And so yeah, most definitely, it’s a great way to build a relationship, even from pastor to pastor, beyond just doing the ministry together with their elected officials. So one of the things that I often tell people about our ministry is honestly, I’m just coming alongside. I’m not trying to replace the church. I’m coming alongside of the church and saying, let’s minister together. Let’s allow the church to be the church within government.
Jamie Mitchell:
Kurt, I know you can’t tell a lot of stories about the elected officials. You want to keep confidentiality, but there probably are stories that you can tell of how this has impacted some of the pastors that have gone for some of the pastors that have gone. What kinds of things have they told you that this experience has meant to them? And have you heard of anything taking place as when these pastors go back to their churches, what kinds of things occur?
Kurt Weaver:
Well, a couple things. One, it makes them less afraid of government, and actually we give them some tools on how to know how to engage and how to talk about government. And so now you have these pastors who have sitting down with elected officials, they’re praying and caring, they’re getting to know them, and then they go back to their congregations and they start to pray for these elected leaders, which we’re actually commanded to do in one Timothy two. And so they, each pastors can lead their churches and praying for the elected officials. But then more than that, I have seen pastors who start to really understand government. Many times pastors don’t want to talk about maybe some of the issues that were faced within government because they might not know the issues as well as they think they should. But now when you start having these conversations, they get to know these issues a little bit better.
They get to maybe even be educated enough or even bold enough to talk about it in front of their congregations. And then I’ve had pastors who then start to look for other ways in which they can minister. I had a pastor that decided for a long time, he was against engaging the political realm, but then after engaging with these leaders, he decided he was going to start going to school board meetings, and he would pray for the school board. In fact, at every meeting, he would try to go there and pray for them, and he would speak then when they were dealing with issues that had biblical ramifications. And so you do see some pastors who become brave and wanting to step out and not be afraid of the political realm.
Jamie Mitchell:
Kurt, I’m thinking if a pastor’s listening today, and let’s say he lives in a state that doesn’t have a church ambassador’s network, he doesn’t have somebody there who can guide and direct them that shouldn’t discourage them though. I mean, if there is not somebody like yourself at their capital, would you encourage them to take the step of faith and move towards showing the love of Christ and maybe even attempting to minister to their elected official?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, most definitely. In fact, I would just start with your local leaders. So who is your representative or who is your senator? Or like you mentioned before, who is your mayor? Who’s your town council? What’s the school board? If you don’t have a relationship with these individuals that the Lord himself, there’s no authority except from God. So God’s the one who’s placed these leaders in your life, pastor, and are you carrying out for Timothy two? Are you engaging them? Are you sharing the gospel? Are you reading scripture? Are you praying for them? And so it’s a very simple process. All you got to do is find out who your local leaders are and pick up the phone or bring a few other pastors along to meet with ’em and to engage them and basically pastor them, if you will. So yes, you can do this anywhere in the world actually, and not just here in the
Jamie Mitchell:
States. What a powerful and simple way to ignite the hearts of God’s people with a burden to pray and then to look for ways to impact those in public service. And so if you’re a pastor today, I want to encourage you start reaching out, looking at elected officials as a mission feel. When we return, we’re going to finish up with Kurt and try to figure out the, so what’s the fruit of this kind of ministry? Well, this has been such an encouraging hour as we focused on those who sit in the seats of power of our government, our state government particularly, and how do we bring the power of God unto salvation, the gospel, the Holy Spirit? How do we pray for them? Kurt Weaver is with the Church Ambassadors Network. He serves primarily in the Pennsylvania state capital, but as we’ve learned, the church ambassadors network is across the nation in 20 different states and would encourage you that hopefully from this program, you’ll check it out and see what is happening on your state capital, but also encourage you to get involved with ministering to elected officials. Kurt, as I was thinking through this whole program, a question that I know people will probably be thinking is, okay, so what kind of fruit happens through this kind of effort? And as part of that, have you been able to influence, let’s say, officials thinking on issues or maybe things that are happening in government that may be contrary to maybe a biblical worldview? What is the so what, and I know that’s not necessarily your main goal, but has there been fruit in that way? Seen?
Kurt Weaver:
Yeah, most definitely. I can tell you a story off the top of my head. We’re working with a current senator and Democrat senator, and as we’ve been caring for the senator over this past year and opening up the word of God with this senator, it’s given us a lot of opportunities to talk about the things in our world. And one of the things that we’ve come to know is this particular senator has a real burden for addiction recovery. And so as we’ve been talking, I’ve been sharing about faith-based addiction recovery programming, which we all know is hugely successful because we’re introducing people to the hope in Jesus Christ, right? We give people, when they come to Christ, they have this new identity, they have the new value of life. They are spurred on to want to glorify God. And so I started talking to the Senator about faith-based programming, and she was like, wow, tell me more.
And so we ended up taking her on a tour of one of the local programs, and she was just amazed at what was happening on the faith front that wouldn’t have happened if we weren’t there engaging her over this past year. And so I think one of the things our aim is, is to not certainly look for some partnership opportunities with the faith community, but then also see soften hearts towards the people of God, towards the church towards faith. But ultimately the greatest goal, obviously Jamie, is to see individuals, legislators and their staffers come to know Jesus Christ as their savior. But beyond that, God can do a lot of other things as well.
Jamie Mitchell:
Kurt, it’s so interesting you said that I have a relationship with a Christian addiction ministry. And during Covid, it just so happened that there was a believer who had a close relationship with the governor of the state, and when he was shutting down everything and all kinds of activities across the board, when this person shared with them about what God was doing in this addiction recovery ministry, and he then got a picture of it and saw it and was like you just said, amazed because they hear about alcohol and drug rehab places, and they’re somewhat helpful, but not very successful. But when he was seeing the impact of this, he made some executive decisions and allowed them to continue to operate even through Covid when he was shutting everything else down. And it just is again, this power of relationship that when you are close enough and you have built those lines of relationship, then when God opens the door for you able to speak into that person’s life, they’re going to be much more receptive. Kurt, I have a final thought here. I want to get from you. And that’s this. What’s the long range gold or objective? What would you like to see happen in the life of politicians and pastors and churches who were involved with this ministry and the Church Ambassador network in general?
Kurt Weaver:
Well, a number of things obviously, but what would it look like if the church really engaged and we were able to work together with our elected officials on foster care, on addiction recovery, on homelessness and food insecurity and all these other things, and to show love and respect and care to our leaders and to see some of them, or even many of them come to know Jesus Christ. I mean, those are long-term goals, but that takes time to build those relationships, to gain the trust from our political leaders. These things don’t happen quickly. It happens over time as we build relationships. In fact, Greg Baker, who is the executive director over the Church Ambassador Network nationally, he always tells us we move at the speed of relationships, and that is what we’re doing. We move at the speed of relationships with our elected leaders, our governing leaders, and we also move with the speed of relationship with pastors as well.
But I got to tell you, Jamie, it’s about time that the church stopped viewing the political world like asbestos, something to stay away from. And in fact, we can do it in a much better way. We can do it in a gospel centered way. We can carry Christ with us. We don’t have to be afraid to step into the political world. We see what happens when the church removes itself from politicians. When the church removes itself from the political sphere, we see what happens. There’s a huge void. Who are the ones coming in and praying and guiding, if not us? It has to be us as God’s people.
Jamie Mitchell:
Kurt, one of the things we say a lot here on Stand of the Gap, and we always talk about with the American Pastors Network as we interact with pastors, and obviously Sam Rohrer, president served in the Pennsylvania House of Representatives for nearly 20 years, and he wrote the little pamphlet entitled Ministers Together. And really because he understood that when he was in government, he was a minister of God, and that if a pastor and a politician could ever harness their collective authority, their collective clout, boy, it would really make a great impact in society. But one of the problems is pastors sometimes feels like stepping into this realm. There either have to be an activist or a quiet, either say nothing or say all kinds of stuff and call for boycotts and all of that. But what you are putting forth is an opportunity for pastors to build enduring vital real relationships and speaking into people’s hearts. And boy, I’ll tell you, that’s so encouraging. Kurt, thank you for being with us today. What a blessing. I, this has been an encouragement to you.
Kurt Weaver:
Yes, very much. Thank you so much for having me on the show. Appreciate all you guys do. And it takes all of us working together, doesn’t it?
Jamie Mitchell:
It does. Hey, friends, why don’t you join with me? I want to pray for Kurt. I want to pray for our politicians today as we close. Father in heaven, what a joy it is to again be with you and to honor you as we talk about how to minister to people that you have called in your scriptures, ministers, bless Kurt, bless the Church Ambassadors network, and bless our elected officials, and we pray for those who are in high office so that we can live peaceful and tranquil lives. In Jesus’ name we pray, amen. Hey, thank you for being with us. Thanks for sharing this hour. As the scripture says, God desires all men to come to the knowledge of Christ, even politicians. And to do that, we need courage. So as I close each time, live and lead with courage.
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