RFK, MAHA, and a Restructured HHS
What’s It All Mean?
April 2, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Twila Brase
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 4/2/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our monthly update on health Freedom with Citizens Council for Health Freedom’s president and co-founder Twila Braves. Now, since Twila was with me about a month ago, numerous indications of significant change in federal health policy, which is not the only driver of those things which impact our health freedom in this country, but it is probably a primary as it’s since too many cases overridden even what’s done in the states. But that being the case, most eyes have been looking towards Washington and we have been in regard to federal health policy coming from particularly now, the new Trump administration, and increasingly, specifically the Department of Health and Human Services. Under the leadership of now Secretary, RFK Robert F. Kennedy, we’re going to get an update on some of these indications of change under RFKs efforts to accomplish his objective Make America Health again, as well as further health related Trump appointments.
In addition, we’re going to update on such ongoing policies such as what we’ve been tracking for many months. Now, the currently scheduled May 7th Real ID implementation, we’re going to get an update from Twila on where that sits, that another thing. So stay with me as we begin. Today’s focus on this theme, RFK Maha Make American Great Again and a restructured HHS. A lot of these letters, right? Health and Human services. What’s it all mean? This is our April again, 2025 Health Freedom status report. So that as a beginning, as a heads up now for the balance of this week tomorrow, bill Konick White House correspondent, been on with me before and he’s a good individual. Many of you have come to really like him. He’s a White House correspondent, used to be for 25 years, stepped away for a while and is now as back as a part of the Trump team, but he’s also founder of watch.org that provides a great deal of links and updates in current events, mostly on the Middle East, some ways connecting to Israel.
He’s also the author of a book, eye to Eye, facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel. He’s going to join me tomorrow along with co-host Pastor Matt Recker from New York City as we get an inside perspective of a couple things, the Trump White House, we’re going to talk very bluntly about what’s actually happening here in the second term, as well as we’re going to discuss the latest occurrences in the Middle East with Trump White House policies as they relate to the current war with the Houthis in Yemen now underway in the imminent bombing of Iran itself. And Turkey’s latest decision as yesterday to take over Syria and more so all of these things that’ll be tomorrow. Dr. Isaac Crockett’s going to lead the program on Friday, and I’ll give some more information about that theme tomorrow. Now, with all that being said, let me invite in right now, recurring expert and guest T Abras, president of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. They have a website@cchfreedom.org. Twilight, welcome back.
Twila Brase:
Thank you so much. It’s always good to be here.
Sam Rohrer:
It’s always good to have you here and let’s get right into lots to talk about, but well, in the last year, you and I have been talking about how the election, looking forward, the potential election of Donald Trump might impact health freedom. Of course that did happen. We’ve then been talking about then what may happen into 2025 and beyond. We were hopeful for good changes. We were hopeful for what that might mean if an RFK was actually confirmed to lead health and human services. Well, in fact, he was. So now here we are early April, 2025. From your perspective, how would you evaluate what has actually now happened in your prognosis as to the trend that we are seeing as it relates to health freedom in America?
Twila Brase:
Well, I think that there is much yet to be seen, secretary Kennedy is getting his feet under him and figuring out what that agency is all about. He’s cutting 20,000 people out of the 82,000 employees, and the media and the government workers are in shock. But from my perspective, it’s a very good start. More positions and programs should be terminated and as I often say, government contributes nothing to the economy. So just imagine how much money we could all have that could be used for charity, industry innovation, even our own needs if we didn’t have to pay the regulators for work that does not benefit us. It does not add one dime to the economy of this country, but it takes from us, it imposes federal controls. Then we look at this whole thing, HHS itself or the entire regulatory enterprise, HHS and everything else is actually an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority as the Supreme Court once told FDR.
So we’re supposed to be a government of laws, not regulations are written by unelected bureaucrats and only what Congress has actually voted into federal statutes is what is supposed to be done. But that changed after FDR or during FDR and here we are. And so when I look at what’s taking place, I look at all those workers, but I also look at all the federal contractors whose only business is often the government. It’s like some of them, it’s 95% of their income comes from the government and their research and their projects are often agenda driven and spending our money. And I’ve heard that there’s about 30% of all the federal workers are actually federal contractors. I’ve yet to verify that. But nonetheless, this is all of our money. And I’m really hopeful that Secretary Kennedy, along with Doge being in there, is really going to get rid of a lot of this bloat that we have in a lot of these things that are driving the country in the wrong direction, driving healthcare in the wrong direction, driving public health in the wrong direction like it did with covid. That all must change for us to stay free.
Sam Rohrer:
And I think what you did there was absolutely excellent. And from my former legislative perspective, going to the heart of what we’re talking about does not have constitutional authority, federal government to be involved in matters of healthcare thereof. Now, many people are upset by so many people losing their jobs, and I am too because those represent families. But the problem is as you went to the heart, Twila, they were never legitimate from the perspective of policy constitutionality, Congress should have never gone that way to begin with. These people, good people, many of ’em should be in the private sector actually producing a product. But again, we’re talking now about fundamental policy, but we’re not almost at a break here, but ladies and gentlemen, why did we go here? Why am I glad that Twila went there? Because at the end of the day, how can she make a statement like that or how can I talk like I am?
Well, it’s because biblically, the purpose of government is to be very limited. You praise and protect those who follow the law, not regulations, and you punish those who break the law. So you have a military, you have that kind of protection on the borders, that is a purpose. Beyond that, that’s not the federal government and in many cases it’s not even the state government. So that’s where you go, but that is how statements like that can be made. So anyways, we’ll leave it at that. When we come back, we’re going to move into now more specificity of Robert FK and what he’s doing coming out of HHS. Well, if you’re just tuning in today, thanks for being with us. This is Stand in the Gap Today. I’m Sam Rohr and my special guest today is Twila Braze, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom.
They have a website@cchfreedom.org and monthly we do an update on the theme of health freedom. We talk about health policy, we talk about health related issues, and there’s a number of things that revolve around that because as we’ve talked about many times when someone can make determinations for you and me regarding our health, what goes into our body, how we relate to our family, doctor or health professionals, they are controlling us. That’s not independent. So we’re talking about health freedom and it’s on those issues. My theme today is RFK Robert F. Kennedy Maha, that’s his Make America Healthy again and a restructured HHS, which is Health and Human Services, of which RFK, Robert F. Kennedy is now the secretary. And basically what’s this all mean? Well, with the confirmation of Robert F. Kennedy as secretary of HHS, many policy changes have been announced, which would appear to be significantly restructuring in their nature of that well very large department.
In fact, on March 11th, under the direction of the secretary, the acting general counsel of that institution, HHS Sean Coveney announced a reorganization of the Office of the General Counsel. I just share this because I know that when you reorganize the council, the legal people who have oversight and can cause a great deal of things to happen or not happen, it’s significant. But anyways, part of the release states this as part of the department’s ongoing efforts to advance the secretary or Secretary Kennedy’s mission to make America healthy again. The Office of the General there, the general counsel will consolidate the number of regional offices from 10 to four. Pretty significant statistical reduction regional offices will be maintained in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Kansas City, Missouri, and Denver, which will provide the same geographic support for regional HHS offices at lower operating costs. You want to say we’ve been able to recruit higher quality personnel to HHS than at any time in its history, said Robert F. Kennedy.
These are individuals who will return the agency. These are keywords I want to ask TWI about. These are individuals who will return the agency to gold standard science, evidence-based medicine and recalibrate its trajectory toward public health rather than industry profiteering. Alright, Twila, I particularly like that statement that I just emphasized, gold standard science, evidence-based medicine and so forth. From your perspective, what area of health policy and health freedom overseen by HHS has most in the past attacked or compromised health freedom in America? And what are some of these changes you see him doing that may help?
Twila Brase:
Well, much of that has been driven either out of public health like the CDC or out of Medicare and the government programs, the subsidy programs in the government. And so we saw what we saw during covid and Americans got a glimpse of when public health officials take control of the exam room and take control of what’s happening at the bedside in the hospitals. But I will say that outside control of the exam room began with Medicare, then the HMO Act, and then this whole healthcare Quality reporting initiative, which has forced doctors to spend much of their time checking boxes, more of their time, I should say, checking boxes than checking the pulses of their patients. And this is actually the exact opposite of quality. So that has covid came out of this whole public health concern, this fear monitoring across the country, but with Medicare and with actual patient care, medical care, there’s so much control of the exam room through data collection, they withhold payments from doctors.
I bet people don’t know that. And then there’s all these agenda-driven research and these agenda-driven policies, and I don’t think patients have any idea how much they have become a distraction to healthcare workers. So one nurse wrote to us and said that the focus of the care is now the chart. It’s not the patient. And she saw that happen with the electronic health record because suddenly they have all of these boxes to check, these i’s to dot and these t’s to cross that have nothing to do with patient care, but all have to do with reporting to the system. So my guess is that what we’re going to see with Kennedy is that we’re going to see it unfold day by day, week by week, month by month. And our organization, citizens Council for Health Freedom will try to influence those decisions by Kennedy and also by Doge. And so we’ve got some letters that we’re soon to be writing in with ideas of our own.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, that’s excellent. And so that’s why it’s important for you, and I’m glad that you make time in your schedule to be here with us once a month. We can spend more days, but you are on the ground and that’s why you need to be on the ground. But giving an update here on this program is very, very important for people. You mentioned Doge. Let’s just go there as an example, A recent Fox News interview, they shared certain things about Doge findings regarding in that case, the NIH or the National Institute of Health. And in the next segment, ladies and gentlemen, stay with me. If you ever wanted to know what are all these health agencies? You’ve got HHS, the DIH, the FDA, the CDC, all these letters say, what in the world are they? They’re all big. We hear about them. I’m going to ask Twila in the next segment to kind of explain how they all fit together. So I think that’ll be interesting, but in any regard, they shared some information about Doge findings on NIH, national Institute of Health. Can you share some of that?
Twila Brase:
Yeah, I think everybody should listen to it. 30 minute interview with eight members of the Doge team, including Elon, and it was just amazing. And I wish I were on the Doge team. I’d love to go line by line through the programs and I tell them which ones to get rid of. But they talked about the fact that at NIH, it has 27 chief information officers. It’s got 700 different information technology systems that don’t talk to each other. They have only 18,000 people and they have 27 chief information officers. And I looked at this because I just looked at some other entities in the industry, and so there’s a hospital called Mass General Brigham. It’s a Massachusetts hospital. It has more than 70,000 employees and it has only one chief information officer. So it’s just like there’s so much duplication and there’s so many jobs that are not necessary. And in the private sector you never do that because it’s a money loser, but they’re not concerned about money because it’s our money.
Sam Rohrer:
I think that that’s interesting because in that last segment I thought you made a really astute comment because of all of these people in we call bureaucracy, these agencies of government, we’re talking about health right now, but you made it very, very clear. It doesn’t even have a constitutional justification. It’s in an area that’s now become all encompassing of every American citizen and it’s run by these guys who have all these departments and these intelligence and you say they have these programs that operate, which don’t even communicate with each other. That gives you an idea, but you made the point, the doctor’s role because of all of this, is more dictated by how he fills out a chart than how well he interfaces with a patient. I think that creates some real clarity in people’s mind, at least it does for me. So I thought that was very, very good. So in this case of NIH, you go further into Doge. Have you seen anything else that has been identified by them at this juncture that would highlight some other examples of waste and fraud in these areas of health regulated agencies?
Twila Brase:
Yes. I have some of my own that they haven’t even mentioned, but like RFK said that in HHS itself, the entire agency, which I know you’re going to ask me more about, but he said there’s more than 100 communication departments, more than 100 communication departments, 40 IT departments, dozens of procurement offices. Why isn’t there just one? Right? And then nine HR departments for all the different employees. Nine, why don’t they have just one? Also, there was an NIH researcher that was recently being interviewed, and he said that researchers often get federal grants and they apply for X whatever X is, right? But then they use them for a pet project Y instead, and that is because NIH performs so little oversight that they just get by with it so they can do their pet project. He mentioned trans research with mice as being one of the things that they didn’t ask for the money for it, but that’s what they used the money for. Then they used that research to get another research project, and this is pet project after pet project, and that’s of course fraud. And then what I think about is Obamacare. So when Obamacare came, there was a list of, I don’t know, it was certainly more than a thousand. It might’ve been 1600 new task forces, working groups, agencies. But one of the things that I really remember is how they put an office of Minority Health and an Office of Women’s Health in multiple agencies across the entire government, not just one
Sam Rohrer:
Multiple. Well, aren’t we so glad that they did? Anyways, we’re going to go further, ladies and gentlemen, because you say, how in the world is all that possible? Well, frankly, it drives everything into the ground and it eliminates freedom. That’s what all this does, and that’s why a lot of what’s happening right now is at least going in the right direction. We come back, we’re going to continue and talk about some other Trump appointees and areas of health and ask Twilight to explain the relationship between all these departments. Okay, Twilight, I have two major questions here in this segment. Let’s go to this first one first because I think it may be a little bit shorter, but in past programs, we discussed one of your concerns in mine as well about certain other health related officials being promoted pushed by the president or the administration such as, for instance, Dr. Oz as an example. We talked about the hopeful aspect of Robert F. Kennedy. He is now secretary, and we just comment on a few of the things in the last segment about him. But for those others positions, agencies regarding health of one aspect or another where others are either confirmed or in the process of being confirmed over which you have concern about them understanding what health freedom is all about and actually making policies that would actually accomplish that goal. Can you identify any of those?
Twila Brase:
Yeah, so Dr. Oz, Dr. Oz, who’s up for head of CMS and is going to get a full Senate vote shortly, I’m sure he supports national health insurance, A health plan run Medicare Advantage for all program with a 20% tax on our payrolls. Dr. Jeanette Ni Trump selected her for Surgeon General. I’ve heard nothing since, but I’m sure it must be coming up at some point. But she supported censorship against anyone who was refusing the shot. So anyone who is talking about it to censor them. And now we have Dr. Susan Monez or something like that. She’s a PhD. She is currently the acting director of the CDC, and she is a bureaucrat of bureaucrats. She has been in a multitude of federal agencies. The last time that we did not have a physician at the CDC was in 1953. She is not a physician.
She’s a PhD with degrees in immunology and microbiology. She used to work for the Obama White House in a science and technology position. Her social media pages have been scrubbed, so we have no idea what she was saying during the Covid debacle, but she’s considered an expert in public health with a long history of being driven by data. So my thought about her is that she’s probably going to want to have all the data that’s authorized by HIPAA and she could drive an agenda, a public health or a medical agenda that is not free market. I think it remains to be seen, but I’m skeptical.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, I would be too. And again, what you’re presenting there is based on, I’m going to say truth based objectivity and evaluation, not some agenda, and all of those things that you said, there are people who are known well for the policies that they have supported over time. So why would anybody think that if they were to get into a position now where they would do anything different than that, it’s only logical. So that is a concern, and I wanted that to be shared so that all of you who are listening can continue to pray for all of this because you may have an RFK over at HHS, but you have all of these other primary positions who are filled by people going in opposite direction. I mean, that doesn’t make any sense from a policy perspective or administration perspective, but I’ll just let that at that point. Let’s go into this. Now, I said before that we’ve mentioned these three letter agencies, H-H-S-C-D-C-F-D-A-N-I-H, and there are others, and I don’t think the average person has any real understanding of how they overlap, who’s in charge of them. Does the secretary of H-H-S-R-F-K have authority over the director of the FDA or the CDC or the NIH anyways? Could you put some of that together? How are they established and who’s in charge?
Twila Brase:
Yes. So I always tell people, if you’re confused, just go and google the HHS organizational chart and what you’ll find, I’ll just try to describe it in kind of a picture in people’s brains. You’ll find three offices at the top, including the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Now, secretary Kennedy’s office. And below them are two columns. The first is a list of 14 offices under the office of the secretary, such as the Office of Civil Rights and the Office of the Inspector General and others. The second is a list of 13 operating divisions under the secretary’s authority, including the FDA, which is the Food and Drug Administration, NIH, which is the National Institutes of Health, CDC Centers for Disease and Something Control. I can’t believe I forgot what the other word is in there.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, the key word is control.
Twila Brase:
Yes, that’s correct. And then the Centers for Medicare Medicaid Services and ARPA H. A lot of people don’t know about ARPA H, and that’s the Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health, which Susan Manez, this PVH PhD who’s now up for the CDC, she worked for them along with National Security Agency and others. So that’s what you need to think of. They’re all under the secretary and they’re divided into two columns and one is offices and one is operating divisions, but they’re all under the secretary.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, so from that perspective, RFK does have the structural authority to direct ultimately what comes out of the FDA or the CDC or the NIH. Is that correct?
Twila Brase:
That’s correct.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright. Now, because you’re talking so many tens of thousands of employees, that makes his job quite difficult as well. So when I saw some of the changes that were made with the inspector in the general counsel office, I’m hoping that that may give another level of control. Any other comments on the functioning of those?
Twila Brase:
Yeah, so if you look at what Trump has done and what Doge is finding and then what Trump’s administrators are doing, the people he’s put in charge, they’ve done certain things like they’ve shrunk an office down to one person because they say that that is the statutory minimum. So they can shrink these things down. If they’re actually in statute, they can shrink them down to one person. If they’re not in statute, they can simply get rid of all those workforces and task forces and other entities that are in all of these offices and in all of these operating divisions, they can just shrink it, shrink it, shrink it. It’s just a matter of will they and hopefully they will.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, let me just ask you this question. Just see what you would say. Again, people are looking and the left and those who are the protectors of big government are wanting to raise the fear of, oh no, the whole world is going to collapse. Nothing is going to function. I was just reading some reports this morning that some of these people saying, well, with the elimination of many of these employees, which you’d say statutory, there’s only one approved in their whole sections that are just have been created to create them. But the sense is, well, if you have tens of thousands of people leaving, well certainly then anything that we may desire or need relative to health is going to be slow, is going to be non-existent and I’m going to get sicker and I’m going to die. That’s what the message they’re putting out there. In reality, what are people going to actually see?
Twila Brase:
Well, it is the regulatory process that slows things down. And so that is what I’d like to say is that all of these regulations put in place by all of these regulators without Congress ever putting their stamp of approval upon the thousands and thousands and thousands of fine print pages, this is what slows everything down. This is where the government decides you can and cannot have certain things. Certain things are quality, certain things aren’t. We’re going to have health plans, not health insurance. Of course, that was Obamacare, that was Congress. But still, even before that, they decided to build up the health plans. The regulators decided to build up the health plans, put lots of money into the buildup of the health plans. So we should really do is look at FEMA, look at North Carolina. Let’s just look for just two seconds at FEMA in North Carolina.
North Carolina has been recovering on their own because FEMA, the agency that has had millions and billions of dollars paid to it, has done nothing to help them. And so people are taking out of their own pockets, out of their own industry, out of their own time to put North Carolina back together again. And this is what people can do. This idea that we have to have government to solve our problems is like looking in the wrong direction. Imagine if we all had the money that had been sent to FEMA and how much more money we would have to give to charitable organizations that are going to North Carolina to help people who really want to help, who really will direct the help, who aren’t a bunch of bureaucrats keeping the money for themselves and their own positions and their pensions and everything else. And then you can have whatever’s left over as long as you don’t have a Trump sign in your yard.
So this whole idea about looking at the government, even for healthcare, our organizations wants to break people out. Medicare, give them the right to leave, it’s going to become a rationing machine. We need to break people out and give them real insurance, the affordable kind that they put in a drawer and they hardly ever use and watch all the prices come down to the pocketbook, but still have the insurance there for the catastrophe. This is what we need and we need charity for everyone who actually needs charity. But lots of people are getting coercive Medicaid and they aren’t even getting care.
Sam Rohrer:
There you go. That’s the bottom line. They’re not even getting real care, ladies and gentlemen. So we share this, don’t buy the line and the fear of those bureaucrats and those who are in Washington saying that life will not go on if we don’t have a job down at HHS or FDA. Not true. We’ll come back, we’ll finish with some updates on things like RealD. Alright, TWIs, as we about to wrap up the program today, I said that the beginning that would have you give some updates, there are some ongoing issues. For instance, real idea have mentioned that I’m going to ask you about that. We have talked in the past about the realities, for instance of HIPAA. People hear that word and they say HIPAA. Okay? They know what those letters mean. They think it means privacy and protection for health records and all their health data. And everybody who goes in for any kind of a medical surgery, anything of that type generally sign a form that they think is absolutely guaranteeing them anonymity and all of that. But you’ve made the case not. So let’s go here. As we wrap up today, April, the month we’ve just now entered is a month that I believe you and your team have set aside the highlight, I’m going to say the ongoing deception of the HIPAA protections. Tell us about it and what’s happening this month and why are you highlighting what you are highlighting?
Twila Brase:
Yes. I just had to laugh at the idea of we’ve made the case differently because yeah, I wrote an entire book to talk about Big Brother in the exam room and how HIPAA led to that because HIPAA does not protect anybody’s privacy. It actually opened up everyone’s medical records to a whole cast and crew of outsiders. And so people, we consider this a deliberate deception of the American people, that this protected their privacy when it actually took away their privacy. So April 14th, 2023 is when all of this took effect. And so every April we spend a month trying to let people understand that HIPAA isn’t what the government tells you it is. HIPAA isn’t what your clinic or hospital will tell you it is. And we try to get you to not sign the HIPAA form or the notice of privacy practices acknowledgement statement. And I just heard from somebody recently who tried that and they were successful. And one of the things that I told them is the most successful way to actually do this is to go to the HHS website where it says, by law, you are not required to sign this form and then have it on their smartphone when they go in and fill out the papers and they refuse to do that one. And they just take their phone up and they show it. And this is why I am not signing HIPAA because by law I don’t have to. And by law you have to actually write that. I
Sam Rohrer:
Refuse Twila. I think that is excellent. That is very, very, very practical. At least. Do you hear what it said there? Go to the website HHS, what do they look for there? And then Twila repeat that and then ladies jump and take a picture of it and keep it on your phone and use that. That is very, very practical. Where do they go on the HHS website? What do they find? What you’re talking about?
Twila Brase:
Yes. I think the best thing to do is to go to our website, CCH freedom.org, CH freedom.org. And then you just scroll down the homepage and it’ll get to the part where it says HIPAA. And then on that page we tell you, we give you a link to the page on the HHS website. And then yes, on your phone, just take a picture of it and then put it in front of their
Sam Rohrer:
Face. Okay. I think that’s excellent. Excellent. A question just came up in my mind. Are the HIPAA requirements to sign, is that a law passed by Congress or is that another regulation passed by somebody? And do you have any idea where RFK stands on this deceptive nature of HIPAA?
Twila Brase:
So I believe it’s in the regulations where they talk about they have to do, I know it’s in regulations. They have to make a good faith effort to get every patient to sign an acknowledgement that they have received read or heard or been given a handout of the notice of privacy practices. That is all just meant to convince you that privacy practices is real when it should say disclosure practices. And so it’s a good faith effort. It’s not a requirement. And as HHS says, by law, you are not required to sign it. So don’t, don’t click the iPad, et cetera. We’ve got an entire sheet for you at the hospital or at the clinic. It’s called the CCHF discharge instructions. And on the homepage, just go to the helpful handout section and just click and you’ll find the discharge instructions in there. And it tells you all the different ways to refuse HIPAA, but it doesn’t yet have the one where you take the picture on your phone and give it to them. Because I have only discovered in the last few months that this is a very, very effective way to do it. And we just haven’t changed the form yet.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. That’s excellent. Okay. All right. Because of time shift to here, real id, it’s scheduled to go into effect May 7th. We’ve talked about it, hopeful that some things may changes, may be made to delay it. Where does that sit?
Twila Brase:
The most important thing is to know that you can’t fly is a lie. And this is a two year time period of progressive enforcement that starts on May 7th. And even the Department of Homeland Security can’t quite decide. TSA can’t quite decide what the airport should do. I think you’re just going to get notices for the next year that if the hammer is going to come down on May 5th, 2027. In the meantime, we have not yet been able to stop it, but we are starting a billboard campaign. And for your listeners, if they want to put a billboard up in their neck of the woods, contact us. The first one is going to go up, A donor is putting it up and it’s going to go up in Dallas. And the next one is likely going to be a different state, but we already have somebody to put it up. So this is to bring the attention to the fact that this is unconstitutional. It’s really a takeover of the freedom of Americans. It’s huge. It’s not small. It’s really huge. And so we have decided that billboards is the way to capture the American public at a time when the media is telling them you can’t fly on May 7th. And we’re saying, you can and go to refuse real id.org to find out more information on this national ID system that is a threat to your freedom.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay,
Twila Brase:
Is real id.
Sam Rohrer:
Do you also have on your website, I like the idea of taking a picture on your phone and having it to show. I think that is very, very effective. Do you have something on your site that someone can take it off your picture and say, look, what you’re telling me is not true. I do not have to have this in order to fly.
Twila Brase:
What we have on our website is a brand new form that says, lose your Real ID steps to get back to a standard state driver’s license. And so that you can find that refuse real id.org, refuse real id.org. And yeah, give that to your neighbors, your friends, everyone. Let them know how they can switch back, switch out of this national ID system back to the non-national ID system.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, and I think that is excellent. We’re only about a minute left here. I’ll give you 30 seconds to say anything that you didn’t have time to say.
Twila Brase:
Well, I think the most important thing, our biggest campaign right now is Real ID and people wonder why Earth is a healthcare organization doing real id? Well, we’re doing it because we know that it will be no Cardinal Care. We know that if they really want to force everyone into it, they will say that it’s required for access to medical care and because it’s biometrics. So it’s using your body parts, your thumbprint, eventually, your thumbprint. They’re looking at more than just your face right now. It’s your biometric of your face, but they’re using biometrics and body parts to control you, to track you. And this is all going to be digitized. They’re moving to digitize it, put it on your phone and have access to it. So this is really incredible opportunity right now to get the word out that this is all a lie, but it’s more than a lie. It’s a threat to everybody’s freedom and autonomy into the future.
Sam Rohrer:
And with that, twilight, we’re out of time. Thank you. That’s a great way to leave it, ladies and gentlemen. Easier to make choices on things like this now because the later ones will become far more impactful and threatening. So that being the case, Twila Brace, thank you so much for being with me today. Her website, CCH freedom.org. Ours obviously stand in the gap radio.com. Pick up this program, share it with a friend transcript available for free. Write with it on our website or on our app you have not communicated with us. Please do that and consider before God joining us as a partner in prayer and also finances because we need your help.
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