The Imminent Jerusalem 3rd Temple:
The Past, Present, and Future
April 9, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Dr. Carl Broggi
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 4/9/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our bimonthly focus on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. Today recurring guest, Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina is with us. Dr. Broggi is also host of his own radio ministry entitled, search The Scriptures has a website@searchthescriptures.org, which I encourage you to go and visit. Dr. Broggi will be joining me and co-host Pastor Matt Recker, pastor of Heritage Baptist Church in Manhattan, New York City in just a moment from what I know will be a truly relevant and exciting program, I hope you stay with us. But here’s the title to it, the Imminent Jerusalem Third Temple, past, present, and Future. So you get an idea that I’ll explain it here just a minute. Last Wednesday on this program with guest Bill Koenig, White House correspondent, founder of the Israel and Middle East focused website watch.org, and also author of the book Eye to Eye, facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel, which we’ve talked much on the program.
We concluded that program in the last segment. We focused on this theme providing the latest information about the increasing discussion and preparation for the rebuilding of what’s termed the third temple in Jerusalem. And on that program we noted the various significant elements that are connected to that, such as the reforming of the Sanhedrin, which happened several years ago that concluded mostly anyways, if not all, the preparation of the utensils and the furniture for a new temple. The preparation and training of Levite priests to officiate in the temple and the affirmed red heifers from which ashes for dedication of the various elements for a restarted temple worship. We talked about all of those things. We also discussed the reaffirmed confirmation of the location of the Ark of the Covenant located under the Temple Mount, and it’s now being discussed actually in secular news as to its placement there as well as other, and including this, some recent communications this year, communications between Israeli religious and civil leaders and Donald Trump regarding some type of a joint declaration or seeking the president’s assistance in helping to establish and legitimize the right of Israel to space on the Temple Mount for the purpose of rebuilding a third temple and the beginning of animal sacrifice.
This is incredible, really it is. So all of these things are not only significant from a geopolitical and international perspective, but exciting frankly beyond words for those who know biblical prophecy. So today, Dr. Broggi, along with Pastor Matt Rucker and I have decided to address the issue of a new temple, but by revisiting also the history of the Jerusalem temple’s, past, present, and future. And with that, let me bring in right now Dr. Carl Broggi. Carl, thanks for being back with us,
Carl Broggi:
Sam, great to be here along with Pastor Matt, what an important topic we’re covering today.
Sam Rohrer:
It is, and we don’t have time to do all that needs to be done, but you can spend sermons on it. But let’s get into it before we concentrate on segment three and four on the 21st century temple, the third temple as it would appear almost imminent here in Jerusalem, and you give a history of the temple’s past from the tabernacle to the final millennial temple. Let’s go back to the Old Testament and look at the why of the temple in the first place. So here’s my question, what is the purpose of a physical building? Be it a tabernacle covered with animal skins or an imposing temple stone complex? Whose idea was it to begin with God’s or the Jewish people’s idea?
Carl Broggi:
It looks clearly God’s idea in Exodus the 25th chapter. God said, let them construct a sanctuary for me, then I might dwell among them. So the whole function of the tabernacle, which is kind of a portable temple, in fact it’s called a temple on a number of occasions. In one Samuel, when Samuel is waiting on the Lord to speak and Eli’s leaning against the post of the temple, David in the famous Davidic Psalm, Psalm 27, speaks about his desire to dwell on the house of the Lord, the temple of God. Well, the temple had not been built yet, and so there were times when the tabernacle was called the temple, but it was a very portable kind of thing. It underscored that God was present with Israel today where the temple of the living God and that day the Lord dwelt and came among them in this cloth structure of a sort. It’s important prophetically because it pointed by type to the Lord Jesus Christ, the altar or picture of Christ, sacrifice the veil and the even in the tabernacle later in the temple, the separation between God and man, every stick of linen, cloth, dolphin, skins, furniture, everything had great typological significance and it was a place of worship for the people and underscored that God is holy and if we are to approach him, we can’t come flippantly into his presence. We have to come as a holy people.
Matt Recker:
Thank you Carl and such a joy to be with you today and to have you on the stand in the gap radio with us. Can you identify this larger connection then between the concept of a physical tabernacle or temple of which you were just speaking with the tabernacle or a temple, what is spoken of in Hebrews nine 11 that is not made with hands that Christ our great high priest, is now a great high priest of a temple not made with hands. So can you make a connection between the temple made with hands and the one made without hands?
Carl Broggi:
Yeah, so in the book of Hebrews in a couple places like in the fifth eighth chapter I’ve just turned there and it says that the tabernacle was a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. Just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle see, he said that you make all things according to the pattern which was shown to you on the mountain. And so God was revealing a glimpse of a heavenly sanctuary. And when you read the revelation, you read about things that John sees in heaven like a candleabra and an altar and the ark of the covenant and the brazen altar. There’s a literal temple in heaven that the tabernacle later becoming a more permanent structure under the guise of the temple pictures and we’ll see that someday after the rapture, it will have a function only through the millennial reign of the Messiah because after the millennium is over, God removes that because he himself becomes the temple. But by typology, by picture, God is going to instruct the church who will in turn teach during the time of the millennial reign of the Messiah through this heavenly structure. But it’s all a picture of who he is, of the work of his son, his ministry, how he would accomplish redemption for us, his people,
Sam Rohrer:
And Carl, that takes us right up to the break. That’s just excellent. I know we could go, you could spend sermons on this. Ladies and gentlemen, I’m hoping that what you’ve heard so far as we’ve talked about the beginning of the temple, God’s design purpose for that, he could dwell among the people they made that first one with hands we’re going to be with one eventually not made with hands, the Lord himself and everything in between, from back then till now to the rebuilding of a third temple, which we’re going to get into that in the third segment. It’s all about a picture of the unfolding plan of God. It’s amazing and it’s so rich to understand it. When we come back, we’re going to move and get a historical perspective now from Pastor Carl Broggi of what the progression from the tabernacle to where we are today.
Well if you’re just joining us today, welcome aboard. Thank you for being with us and investing your time. You are not going to be discouraged or dissatisfied, I don’t believe, with the focus of today’s program. This is a Israel or bimonthly Israel, middle East and biblical prophecy focus guest today. Again, favorite guest on this program, Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina. And our theme today is this, it comes off of headline news, but it’s preceded by biblical words from long ago and it’s all about the temple. Our title is just the Imminent Jerusalem third temple, the past, the Present, and the Future. Last segment, pastor Matt Wrecker, who’s my co-host today, and Dr. Broggi and I mentioned discussion about where did this concept of a physical tabernacle like temple come from. It was God’s idea. That’s it. And we’re going to go into now the history and the segments of Stay with Us.
We’re going to talk about the history of the tabernacle to where we are now and we’re going to go to the end of what will be. And then we’re going to third and fourth segment talk about this third temple, that which is being discussed in real time today. And the preparation’s already been all made for it, so it’s exciting. But let’s go back here to Exodus 25 verses eight and nine. Carl, you quoted at least a part of that in the last segment, but God gave to Moses there the following command, I’m just going to say it again. He said, God sang and let them, the people make me a sanctuary that I may dwell among them exactly as I show you concerning the pattern of the tabernacle and all of its furniture. So you shall make it pretty definitive. So from this command delivered to Moses for the people of Israel, just after receiving the 10 Commandments worship in a physical dwelling so that according to this passage God could dwell among the people, an incredible thing was set into place, A template was instituted. Carl, go from here, add to the scripture passage, anything that you were not able to say in the last segment or add to what I just said and build upon that and move us from the progression from this divinely prescribed original template, this tabernacle to the present day where there is now frankly no temple in existence.
Carl Broggi:
Yeah, so again, the tabernacle was temporary. Moses built it. The first temple built by Solomon. It was portable. The others fixed in Jerusalem. God dwelt in both of them. And again, it was an affirmation that he cared about his people Israel. And it floated around to different places over, I think it was 489 years, the longest spot it was in was Shiloh. And when you go to Israel, people often go to Shiloh because that was an annual place of worship. But eventually, of course David moves to Jerusalem, he takes the ark there, the tabernacle itself is left in Gibeon. He takes the ark and he looks around, he says, I’m living in a nice house, and God was living in a tent, so he wants to build a temple. And God of course says, no, you’re a man of war, too much blood in your hand, but your son is going to do it.
And so he prepares Solomon for that. He actually gets together a lot of the materials. And then Solomon builds the first temple. People can read about it in one kings and it’s erected for about 375 years. It’s built around nine 60. And then of course, God predicted through various prophets because of Israel’s disobedience, he was going to bring the Babylonians down, they’d be his servant Nebuchadnezzar crush, the people destroyed the temple. So for 70 years there was no temple at all. Eventually through the providence of God, through Cyrus say, come back into the land and a second temple is built, we often call it the Za Rubal temple. Sometimes people call it the Herodian temple. It’s the same structure. Zerubbabel initially built it, you read about it in the book of Ezra, but Herod King Herod, there’s seven Herod’s in the Bible. But King Herod the great about 19 BC does a facelift on this thing and makes it like one of the seven wonders of the known world.
In fact, even after he’s dead, they’re still working on it until about, I think it was 68 ad. And then in 70 ad, just as the prophets in the Old Testament wrote about, just as Jesus spoke about, it would be totally obliterated where there would not be one stone left upon another. And so Titus Fitz came down, the place was torn apart and then came the church age. So there’s no physical temple, but under the church age, the body of Christ, we are the temple of God. So under the old covenant, God had a temple for his people. Under the new covenant, God has a people who are his temple, and yet there’s still a largely unreached group of people. We call them the Jews. He’s always had a remnant. And God is going to use a third temple to bring them to genuine faith in Christ through a number of circumstances.
So right now there is no temple, but there’s going to be because the prophetic schedule for the return of the Lord Jesus takes place in Israel in part of the prophetic plan takes place through a rebuilt temple that has to be in place for Jesus to literally physically come back at his second coming. And that’s based on a plain interpretation of scripture. There are millennials today, they’re called replacement theologians where they’re not consistent in how they interpret the scripture. They are for the first coming, but for the second coming largely through the influence of a guy named Augustine. They don’t literally interpret prophecy, but they tend to, with the exception of their second coming, they just tend to allegorize it all. And so there’s no temple, there’s no significance to Israel or any of that, but to those who take the scripture seriously, we see it very, very differently.
Matt Recker:
Thank you, Carl. That is a great timeline of the temple and it’s really interesting actually to think that the temple, I believe from what your timeline you just shared, that the tent was in Shiloh longer than Solomon’s temple existed until it was destroyed by Babylon. That’s very interesting. So we’re going to talk in just a moment about the significance and the details of the third temple that are now being discussed in Israel. We’ll talk about that in the next two segments. But can you just jump ahead then to God’s final plans as he laid out into scripture, what temple will be in place during the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ and beyond?
Carl Broggi:
Yes. Yeah. So after the third temple is destroyed at the second coming and a new temple is built, I mean the details of it are just gigantic unlike any temple we’ve ever seen. And again, if you take a plain historical grammatical interpretation of the scripture, as Jesus taught us how to interpret prophecy, then there’s a fourth temple that’s coming. We call it the millennial temple, and it’ll be erected for a thousand years. It will be in Jerusalem. And one of the functions of it will be to teach those who are born during the time of Messiah’s reign on the earth, the curse will be lifted off of the creation. So people will live long extended period of times, much like before the great flood, if a man only lives to be a hundred, he’s considered a youth and cursed. And so it’s going to be during that time that tribulation saints will have children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren, unlike those of us who are in resurrection bodies and ruling with Christ and their children and grandchildren will have to make decisions for Christ.
And one of the teaching tools that God will use will be the millennial temple and how the sacrificial system pictured what the Messiah did. No, we’re not saying that the blood of bulls and goats can take away sin, it never did. Moses said, and the writer of the Hebrews said they never did, but they were symbolic. And just like we look back at the Lord’s table through what Christ has done during the millennial reign of the Messiah in this millennial temple, not all the sacrifices will be in place, but the critical ones that God wants to teach, the multitudes are on the earth and boring. That during that time about Jesus and why he is here and who he is, and of course not all will respond, but many will through that teaching.
Sam Rohrer:
Excellent. And again, just to restate, after the millennium is done, we’re going to the end of the book now. We’re going to work our way back in the next segment. But after the millennial reign, after Satan is cast away forever, tears are wiped away. There is no more sin, there is no more evil present. It’s all been done away with. At that juncture, will there be a need for a temple? Go back and revisit what you said in the first segment.
Carl Broggi:
No, that’s great. So the earth itself, again a literal hermeneutic, there are some who are saying the earth will have kind of a fix up job that’s ridiculous. God is literally going to melt it and destroy it. He’s going to create a new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. So the physical earth that we sit on will be gone. A new heaven and a new earth will be created, a little earth is going to be created. And a father’s house, the new Jerusalem, many titles for it will literally physically come down and sit on the earth. And that’s where we’ll spend the eternity, what we call heaven today or the father’s house will be the capital city of a brand new planet. But the revelation is clear that in the future of heaven, the new city, there will be no temple because God himself will be the temple. And so all of this symbolism of the tabernacle, the first temple, the second temple, even the third temple and the fourth temple will no longer be needed because everything will have been fulfilled. And so there will be no temple in eternity future
Sam Rohrer:
To me, Carl and Matt, I know it’s the same way with you guys. It’s the thoughts of that that God tells us in his word are so beyond astounding. It’s just an amazing thing. And it’s kind like when we get all concerned about what we see here, when we know what you just described, Carl is going to happen. It’s kind of like what in the world do we even worry for a moment here, ladies and gentlemen, that’s the whole point of what the Lord says. Be anxious for nothing and everything by prayer sub plate. Let your request be made known and to God, our eyes are to be looking beyond a kingdom to come. That’s what we’re talking about. But in the here and now, we are where we are and there is going to be built as being discussed right now, the beginning, a reconstruction of some type of a third temple.
Alright, so in the next segment, next two, we’re going to talk about that preparation and that temple from creation to the new Jerusalem and the new heaven and new earth just described by Carl Broey guest today, history has been all about God’s unfolding plan of redemption. That’s what we talk about here on this program all the time. A biblical worldview is really the view of God from creation and the unfolding plan, his plan, not ours from the beginning, his story has been about worship, the worship of God by not just people, but the entire creation of God to that point of unbroken fellowship between the creature and the creator, redemption from the tabernacle to the temples which we just talked about. Temples made with hands to our human bodies being likened to the temple of the Holy Ghost who lives within all true believers. The mystery has been the awesome creator, God choosing to tabernacle or to live among the created.
That’s the astounding thought. It was this unfathomable question that was not unique to us, but it was actually asked by King Solomon himself. He asked God upon his completion of the first temple, Solomon’s temple where in two Chronicles six 18, it’s recorded there. Solomon asked this question, he says this, but will you God in very deed dwell with men on the earth, behold heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee How much less this house which I have built? But then God answered Solomon’s question just a chapter later in two Chronicles seven 12 where God says this, I have heard thy prayer and I have chosen this place, this building, this temple to myself for a house of sacrifice. So effectively God said, yes, I will dwell among you and yes, this is going to be a house of sacrifice. So Carl, in Solomon’s glorious temple, God said he would dwell and it would be a house of sacrifice.
And from that beginning, much has changed as you described in the last segment, which brings us to the point where now in 70 ad as you described, the second temple that which was enhanced by Herod the king was destroyed in today lies in ruin. So anybody who goes to Israel now are going to see nothing but a temple mount. There’s nothing there. But the Regathered Jews of today, they want to rebuild, at least some of them want to rebuild a place of worship. But the problem is that as a nation, Israel and the Jewish people are still in rejection of God’s anointed, the Messiah, Yeshua. So the question is therefore to me, who then is the focus of worship, if not Yeshua. So here it is. Would you lay out the groundwork for this third temple? What does the Bible say will drive the passion, the impetus for its reconstruction? Who’s going to drive it and for what purpose?
Carl Broggi:
Well, as you know Sam, there’s a lot of different kinds of Jews in the world and even amongst those that we would call observant Jews, Orthodox Jews, there’s many stripes and types. With that said, there’s a number of Orthodox Jews who want to rebuild the temple. And if you ask them why, they’ll say, well, God commands us to present animal sacrifices so our sins can be atone for you have other orthodox who say, well, we can’t do that. So our sacrifices today are simply commitments and dying to self helping the poor kinds of sacrifices, which of course spiritualizes the text. But what’s changing in Israel is for the first time since their inception is a nation is you have Jews in these yeshivas seminaries are for women in Israel. A yeshiva is a male study place of the scripture is they’re not just reading what the rabbis say about the scripture.
They’re reading the scriptures themselves, which is really incredible. And so they see the need, they’re motivated to obey scripture, and they can’t obey a sacrificial system if there’s not a temple in which to do it. Beyond that, there’s a number of messianic expectations. They know that at the end of time, God would gather the Jews from across the planet and put them in the land. They’ve seen that, but they also know that Messiah is going to come to the temple. Malachi three, he speaks of how he will suddenly come to his temple and in their minds, well, there has to be a temple in place for the Messiah to return. And so again, they’re motivated prophetically with the need to rebuild. Not to mention they just see the template itself as a symbol of identity. What I’ve really found interesting, not on all the soldiers, but on thousands of IDF soldiers on their sleeve, they have a patch and it’s a symbol of the temple because they believe they’re fighting for Israel, for their nation and they view the identity of the nation as the temple itself. And so there’s a lot that’s driving this. And again, God is going to use their motivations. Though they’re not clear though they don’t understand what’s happening except for the remnant of believing Jews, of which there’s about 30,000 in Israel today. Apart from them, they don’t really know why, but they’re doing it and God is going to use their misdirected motivations ultimately to bring them to faith bring and to fulfill his prophetic plan.
Matt Recker:
And Carl, I know this might be a bit speculative my questions, but I’m just wondering what your sense is. So I want to ask about the what and being. Do you have a sense of what the physical structure of the temple will be like? Will it be a tent like structure like Moses’ Tabernacle or more a building like structure of Solomon and then the where is, of course we know the Muslims, we wonder how they would allow this temple to be built. And many scholars believe that the old temple stood where the dome of the rock currently stands, and obviously Muslims would really seem to fight a temple being built there. But then others say that that’s wrong, that there’s strong evidence that the location of the temple Mount was north of the dome of the rock. So do you have a position on where this temple might be rebuilt?
Carl Broggi:
Well, yes, I do think it will happen on the Temple Mount. It is not by accident that when David Disobeys, he counts the troops and he has to sacrifice that there’s a specified location that is in which he offers a sacrifice to stop the plague. We read further that when Solomon builds a temple, he builds a temple in the exact same spot that David sacrificed. So Mount Mariah is prophetically significant as the place in which it will be done now. Is it south of Mount Mariah? There’ve been some who have been trying to help God and say it’s not even on the Temple Mount that enrages the Jewish people because it gives credence to the Muslims owning the Temple Mount when they recognize clearly and it is clear biblically, and it’s a stretch to say that it was off the Temple Mount not even close.
Now to say that it could be on the other side of the dome of the rock, I think it’s possible, but I think it’s highly unlikely because if you go into the dome of the rock itself, there’s a place where traditionally for thousands of years Jewish people have believed this was the place that Abraham offered Yack or Isaac. And of course the Muslims say, well, Abraham offered Ishmael there, but still it’s a geographical location on the planet where the temple was. So how will it happen? I don’t know. I don’t think it will be a tent like structure. Clearly not because for the simple fact that in the Jewish people’s minds, much like in David’s mind, God doesn’t deserve to live in a tent. And of course when I go to Israel, we’re going again in September, we’ll visit the Temple Mount Institute. They have a full set of plans.
They’ve reproduced everything needed, the priestly garments, every spec of furniture. The only thing they haven’t reproduced is the arc of the covenant. And when you ask them why, they say, because we know where its exact location is, so we don’t need to reproduce that, but I think it’ll be a physical building. How will that happen? Well, there’s going to be a one world leader. He’s called the antichrist. He’s going to negotiate a covenant according to Daniel 9 27 with the Jewish people. He’s a globalist and he initially, when you get the religious practices of the seven year period, the first half is a multiplicity of religions all brought together. So there may be some sense of peace in which okay, we can coexist as the sign on the back of cars say, but in the middle everything changes and becomes exclusive worship to him and him alone.
What could be the motivation for the Jewish people to build on the temple of rock? I suspect I wouldn’t build a denomination over it, but I suspect that the Ezekiel war of Gaga and Magog, because it is going to be so massive where the largest Muslim countries of the world come against Israel in the stage is being set for that. And it’s going to be utter destruction that so many Muslims will be gone, that I think they will have the ability to build their temple. Not to mention the antichrist comes with signs, wonders and the like. And so maybe he’ll convince the Muslim people we don’t know, but we can see how it could happen and we do know that it’s going to happen.
Sam Rohrer:
Carl, that is excellent. And we call it the third temple, and that’s legitimate some I think you’ve referred to sometimes I do. As the tribulation temple or the antichrist temple. What would be a couple of names that would be accurate, those or others? How should people believers be thinking and referring to this temple that’s being under discussion right now?
Carl Broggi:
Well, I certainly wouldn’t call the antichrist temple, and that’s a popular term that I’ve noticed in the last few years in a number of prophetic ministries. And again, there’s so much that’s built on hype and not on sound ex of Jesus, but when Paul describes the antichrist here in two Thessalonians two have flipped over, he says he opposes and exalts himself above every so-called God or object of worship so that he takes his seat in the temple of God doesn’t call it the antichrist temple, he calls it the temple of God. I know we’re out of time in this segment. Maybe we can pick it up there.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, I think that’s great. Ladies and gentlemen, we will pick it up right there. As we move into the final segment, I’m going to ask a couple of questions regarding this third temple. As in our attitude as believers, should we be helping to do it? How should we do it as we go forward? Well, as we go into our final segment, just a thank you again for all who are listening, and a reminder that this program and all programs you can get on our website stand in the gap radio.com or on our app. And along with it you have complete access to a full written transcript. It is very helpful on programs like today where there is so much information, you just simply can’t write it down or remember it all. At least I can. So maybe you can, but I can’t. But a transcript is helpful.
You can actually read along while you’re listening, and it’s very advantageous to share with other people. The topic we’re talking about today, a relevant topic, if you’re following anything, this has been an interest actually, the concept or the interest in a rebuilt temple goes back generations. Actually, I’m sitting here in my room, some of you have been with us since the beginning. Remember how when he was still alive, Dr. Jimmy De Young was with me on the program here almost every Wednesday for a long time, and it was all on Israel in focus, and he put together a video, and I’m looking at it right now. It’s on V-C-R-V-H-A, anybody of you remember what that was like? Because antique now, but on the title of it is ready to Rebuild and there’s a picture of the dome of the rock. So what we’re talking is not a new interest, but it has definitely been developing as the preparations for the construction of the temple, the pieces that go into it. And all of what we’ve been talking about has certainly, I’m going to put it this term, my estimation has ripened, and so now it becomes a matter that is, well, it’s a whole lot more real. It’s always real, but it’s now much closer than it ever was. Carl, just to revisit just briefly the naming of how we refer to this temple, any concluding thoughts on that before I take you further?
Carl Broggi:
Yeah, so again, I wouldn’t call it the antichrist temple. It’s called the Temple of God. That’s how God describes it in Second Thessalonians two. With that said, he’s clearly not giving approval to his sacrificial system, so it’s God’s temple and that he allows it to be built. He’s going to allow the antichrist to commit the abomination of desolation, which happens at the midpoint of the great tribulation, which is going to be a defining point in Jewish Israel history. Some people have the false mentality that when they see Jesus in the sky, that’s when they’re converted, when they look at him whom they pierce, well, that’s not true. Many will be long converted before that. That would be a cheater system like, okay, when I see Jesus in the sky’s a Gentile, if I’m here during the tribulation, I can get saved then I don’t think so.
Jesus made it clear that conversion has to happen before that point. When they see him, they’ll mourn, but there’ll be conversion before that. 144,000 Jews have been preaching since the beginning of the seven years. Two witnesses on the Temple Mount, even an angel in heaven. And when they see the abomination of desolation take place in their minds, they’re going to know the antichrist cannot possibly be the Messiah because of idolatry that is accompanied with that act. He’s breaking the decalogue, and so they’re going to flee to the wilderness. They’re going to take Christ at his word, and God’s going to protect that remnant physically from death during that time. So sovereignly, it’s God’s temple. He’s allowing these events to take place for the ultimate consummation of history and the return of his son, but he’s not sanctioning the antichrist actions nor even animal sacrifices. So I think that’s the way we have to look at it and understand it.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, and I think that’s excellent, Carl. I wanted that to be clarified because there’s confusion out there on the parts of good people and those who are not so concerned about biblical truth. Lemme just take one of the step, clarify a little bit and can’t go real long on this, but give just a little bit more support. There are many people who are saying, well, this third template’s going to be rebuilt. That’s what Christ is going to occupy when he comes back. Share just a little bit more about why that’s not going to be the case.
Carl Broggi:
Yeah, no, the scripture’s clear. Jesus speaks the defilement of this temple. Matthew 24 15, he’ll go in, he’ll commit the abomination of desolation. Paul further defines that for us. He’ll say, let no one in any way deceive you for it will not come the day of the Lord, the great tribulation which they thought they were in unless the apostasy, this worldwide departure from the faith comes first. So he’s saying, you’re not in the tribulation. If you had, you would’ve seen this one world religion, this apostasy, you’d see the man of lawlessness because he won’t be revealed into that time the son of destruction, and he opposes and exalts himself above every so-called God or object of worship, takes his seat and the temple of God. There it is displaying himself as being God. And so he is going to commit this heinous act. He’s also going to have an object that is literally going to speak.
The Jews will recognize this guy can’t be the Messiah. Yes, they’ll believe Messiah must be God in man, but this so-called God man can’t be the true one because he’s an idolatry. He’s even going to have people worship little statues of him. And so they’re going to come to their senses and they’re going to search the prophets. They’re going to read Matthew 24 and 25. They’re going to see that Yeshua is indeed the Savior. Not all of them. Two thirds of the Jews are going to die during the tribulation, maybe some through persecution because they’ve come to genuine faith. Others just under the wrath of that horrible time. But a third will survive, and many of those third, the majority of those third will come to faith. There’s still a separation time at the second coming. So God is not sanctioning the second temple, but he’s going to use it because they’re going to see this is what Yeshua said in Matthew 24 15. This is what the prophet Daniel said would happen, and it is happening. So we better pay close attention to what Yeshua said.
Matt Recker:
Carl, thank you so much for the thorough knowledge you have on this subject. It’s fascinating to listen to. You. Just wanted to follow up with one question from the last segment and then a second question here. The first question, and you can answer them together is you mentioned the battle of Gog and Mago and Ezekiel 38. Were you saying that would happen before the tribulation to clear the wave for the rebuilding of this third temple? And the second question is, since this third temple, this tribulation temple is called the temple of God, as you’ve talked about, but it’s going to be used to reinstitute the animal sacrifices while Israel’s still an unbelieving nation. So what should be our response as true believers? Should we encourage or assist in the furthering and the rebuilding this temple? And what is the believer’s response to it?
Carl Broggi:
Well, in terms of the battle of Gog and may Gog, I suspect it will happen after the rapture of the church. I’m not saying it couldn’t happen before. If it does, wow, our eyes should be wide open, but I think it will be all we know is that the temple has to be up and built and functioning by the middle of the tribulation, the middle of that seven year period. Jewish people today believe they can build it from start to finish in less than one year. When you go to the Temple Institute in truism, what should be our role? Do I think that we should help them to build the temple? I don’t think so. I don’t think we should grease the skids to try to bring in the second coming of Christ. I think there’s several reasons why that’s not our call as believers, and God doesn’t need our help to fulfill his prophetic plan.
I know there’s a brother in Texas and he’s raising some cattle that are supposed to be perfect red heifers. Maybe they are, maybe they’re not. God doesn’t need his help. God could use the naivete, certainly of a believer to pull something off, but our focus is the great commission to preach the gospel to all creation. Literally, the Greek text says is in the King James to every creature. And so we unnecessarily, as the body of Christ, I think provoke tensions against the Muslim world when we’re trying to help rebuild a temple, which they despise because they see that as their holy sight. And then we don’t even have an opportunity to win them to Jesus. And God loves the Muslim too, and we need to win them as well. So we don’t need to unnecessarily create tension. We need. Yeah.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. With that, Carl, we’re out of time. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for being with Dr. Carl Broggi. Thank you so much. His website, search the scriptures.org. Pastor Matt Recker, New York City, thank you for being on as well today. Ladies and gentlemen, go to the website, pick up the program. Again, too much here to repeat. Listen to it, share it with a friend.
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