Embracing Lies…Rejecting Absolute Moral Truth: America 2025
May 23, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Co-host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Guest: Dr. George Barna
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 5/23/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Friday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, this Friday before Memorial Day. Hope you have a great weekend plan coming up and that you enjoy getting with your family if that’s what you’re going to do. And if not, certainly on that Monday that’s set aside to reflect on those who played a major role in our country and all of that that would happen. So anyways, it’s just the word upfront here, but this is our Friday edition and it’s also our monthly focus on culture and values from a biblical worldview perspective. Our guest, well known to all of us is a veteran researcher, the veteran researcher and friend of all, I’m going to say of all who fear God and love his word. That’s Dr. George Barna. He’s currently a professor at Arizona Christian University and director of research at the Cultural Research Center there at the university.
His website is cultural research center.com. Now today, pastor Isaac Crockett and I will talk again with Dr. Barna regarding the latest research just released that they do almost monthly as part of the cultural research center’s focus for this year’s annual, they call it American World View Inventory 2025. And there was one for last year too, but this is where we’re focusing now and where the information from, where it’s being drawn. And I’ll say that the information that will break today is to me personally extraordinarily disturbing. I think it should be a wakeup call for the church in America and frankly, it’s another indicator. I don’t know how one else could decide than a sign of kobad on our once great nation. It’s disturbing, you’ll hear it. But will anyone other than those of you listening to the program, the remnant even care to hear, let alone to respond. So based on the rush away from God and our nation, I suspect not yet for those with ears to hear and eyes to see. I pray this information today will be helpful to many and in many ways the title I’ve chosen to frame our conversation today is this, embracing Lies rejecting Absolute Moral Truth, America 2025. And with that, welcome Dr. Barnett. Thank you for being back with us, George,
George Barna:
Sam and Isaac. It’s always great to be with you. One of these days I’m hoping I’m going to have really, really good news.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, one day we know for sure the Bible’s given us. It’s all the good news we need and I’m looking ahead to it. We may experience it here, but George, I know we will hear good news one day, but right now we’re looking at the here and now. And while the findings of your nationwide research going back now we talked about in I think our last setting was 30 years has only seemed to indicate because that’s what you measure trends. And we talked about that, but has indicated a continuity and a progression of trends that you begin to identify long ago. That direction seems to me, and as we talked about, only to be further supported, I guess the trends don’t lie, they’re there, but I do place great confidence in the accuracy of the research and the analysis. Again, we talked about that and how important that is.
So based on that, in Arizona Christian University Research Center official release regarding the latest findings, we’ll discuss today, May 15th is the date on it. You say this quote, at least those who are writing this say this, A new report from Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University directed by Dr. George Barna reveals that most adults in the United States do not believe in moral absolutes and they live accordingly. Now, George, I thought the key phrase here was, most adults in the US do not believe in moral absolutes. And then this phrase, and they live accordingly. So they do what they say basically you then later they do what they believe. You then later in the report break out the reasons people give to why they’ve rejected moral absolutes. And I’m saying therefore, embrace the lie that we rejected truth. You have of necessity embrace a lie and we want to talk about those justifications, many of which you listed. So to get us started, can you provide the foundational data from which comes your conclusion that most American adults reject moral absent? How much is most? Who are these people?
George Barna:
Well, yeah, there’s a lot embedded within that. And Sam, just the context here research wise is that we’ve been doing the American worldview inventory annually since 2020. So every year we’ve been engaging the worldview of Americans. This year one of the things that we did was decided to dive into, well exactly what is it that people believe about some of the areas of worldview deficiency, if you will, at least from a biblical worldview perspective. And so we’ve done a couple of surveys here related to people’s beliefs about God, which we talked about last time I was with you and Isaac. In this one we’re looking at people’s perspectives about truth and absolute morality. Then the coming reports next couple of months are going to be about sin, perspectives on sin and then perspectives on salvation. So in this one where we’re looking at truth, we had an entire module of questions.
I mean there were about 20 different questions asking different elements of what people believe about truth, why they believe that, what they do with that. So it was a pretty comprehensive take on all of this. And the bottom line is very simply that two out of three people indicate that they reject absolute moral truth. And by the way, that includes most people who consider themselves Christian, two out of three self-identified Christians. And that’s almost exactly the same as people aligned with other faith perspectives. So whether they buy into a non-Christian faith, 69% of them say they don’t believe in absolute moral truth. People who say they have no faith at all, 69% of them say they have no belief in absolute moral truth. We could break down the Christian perspective and you find that majorities of every subgroup of the Christian community indicates that they do not believe in absolute moral truth.
So in essence, we are a nation of people who says there’s no absolute moral truth. It’s all left up to us as individuals. And it turns out that a person’s faith makes almost no difference in that unless there was only one group that stood out as having a completely different perspective. And that was people with a biblical worldview group we call integrated disciples. But of course there are only 4% of the population. They’re even a small minority of those people who call themselves Christian. So we’re in tough straits when it comes to truth here in America.
Sam Rohrer:
And we really are. We’re at the break here, Isaac, so we’ll just carry over into the next segment. But George, what you’ve laid out there, those are the numbers when I looked at them. That’s why I’m saying they’re so disturbing. 4% integrated disciples, the remnant we probably call them, ladies and gentlemen, are you among that number? Listen to the balance of the program. Stay with us as we go through and build out how all of this gigantic percentage of people can justify rejecting absolute moral truth in favor of well feelings or anything else. But obviously we know biblically it’s a lie. It’s either the truth or it’s a lie. So this is major. Stay tuned. I think you’ll benefit by listening to the program today. If you’re just joining us here on this Friday afternoon program. Thanks so much for being a part of it.
Our theme today is this, embracing lies rejecting absolute moral truth, America 2025. And what we’re talking about is research being released from the cultural research center at Arizona Christian University. Dr. George Barna runs as director of that, and this is part of their ongoing effort, American Worldview inventory of 2025. They’re calling it an extensive survey of attitudes of cultural values of Americans. And as I said in the last segment, it is astounding. So if you’re just joining us, you need to go back and listen to that segment as it sets the stage. But let’s get right into it. According to your latest research, George, your release here, I read that 74%, which you stated according to your release, 74% of adults trust feelings over facts. I think those are my words, but I think you may have stated the same way, feelings over facts to discern moral truth and that two thirds reject absolute moral truth.
Big numbers nine out of 10, nine out of 10, 90%, nine out of 10, embrace syncretism. And we’ve talked about that before. You also stated in an earlier report from your organization, noted that two out of three, two thirds, two out of three American adults currently reject or doubt the existence of absolute moral truth. So it’ll appear to me that the move toward feelings over truth and the new religion of syncretism about which we’ve talked so much seems to be speeding up. If I’m reading that right, two thirds earlier to now, 74%, you have to tell me if, am I reading that right? But before we go to the justifications people give, can you comment on the thought process behind the rejection of absolute truth and the decision to embrace a lie? I mean, is this a conscious decision that you found that people are making or is it just, I want to call it a delusionary unconscious decision that’s just happening to them?
George Barna:
Well, Sam, I guess I would say that it’s a very personal decision and the reason that people are coming to that personal decision that there is no absolute moral truth and that they need to trust their feelings rather than facts and so forth, comes from a number of different directions. It’s based on a number of different things. One of those would be the fact that only four out of 10 people in America today, adults believe that the God of the Bible exists and roughly the same number of people, about four out of 10 would say that the Bible is a document that is true and relevant and reliable to their lives. And so given that kind of foundation where they’re saying, you know what? There really isn’t any kind of divine presence, any supernatural being that is in charge of my life or the universe or creation or anything like that, and there’s no kind of holy literature or sacred documentation or simply true stuff that I can turn to know what is truth.
What happens is we step in to fill that vacuum, we become the God of our own existence. And in doing so without maybe stating it outright, without verbalizing it, we essentially start to believe that we’re the only ones that can determine and know truth for our own lives. And what do we do with that? Well, that becomes a critical portion of our personal decision making filter, which is what we call a worldview, our philosophy of life. And so the philosophy of life of most Americans is I’m in charge of my life. I’m the only one who can know truth and I have to make the best decisions I can for my life because our worldview acts as the filter for every decision we make. And so we start to look out there for what are the things do I need to believe that will make my life work well for me based on my own personal criteria?
And that’s how syncretism emerges. It’s like I think the Marxist got a few things right over here. I think the Eastern mystics have a few things right over here. I think the post moderns hit it on the head with these four or five ideas. I think the Bible, even though I don’t buy it, lock, stock and barrel, it’s got some great life principles and I’m going to pull out of it those that feel good to me. And then we blend all of that together into our personalized worldview, which is what syncretism is. That’s how we come to this place where feelings matter more than facts and we’re comfortable saying there’s no such thing as absolute moral truth. If anything is absolute, it’s only because I’ve said it and I’m the absolute determinant of everything that’s right and true and good and appropriate in my own life.
Isaac Crockett:
I love the way you summed up syncretism so well there, George. And I remember coming across that a couple of decades ago when I was in college and I was studying somewhere and a number of students seemed to have that view, but especially young man who was from the far east. And that’s how he explained it. And I’m looking here at the justification that people are giving for believing their feelings over having a moral truth. And one of the first things you point out is this idea of being open-minded. Can you explain what that means?
George Barna:
Yeah. In American society we develop a culture. A culture is all the values, the morals, the traditions, the customs, the preferences of the population overall. And in our culture, one of the things that we’ve generally decided is that it is good to be open-minded. And what we have now we found from this research is that two out of three Americans say that that it is important to accept alternative views of truth to your own because that’s being open-minded and because we believe there is no absolute moral truth, it’s important for us to accept that just as I’m the God of my life, you’re the God of your life. And so to be a quote good person, which again the research is showing most people consider themselves to be a good person, would be an open-minded person. And an open-minded person would accept that, well, your feelings may be a little bit different than my feelings on some issues, and so therefore I have to give you the space to believe that your views of truth are just as accurate and valid and legitimate as mine.
Why? Because that’s a sign of maturity. See, and that’s another thing that culturally we’ve all bought into that we want to be and we want to be recognized as mature human beings. Now what’s the alternative? Well, it’s to reject opposing truth views because we believe they’re wrong. Now, in order to do that, I would have to probably get into an argument with you and to justify why I would say your truth is not actually truth. That’s your feelings. But it conflicts with the facts. It conflicts with some source of documentation about what absolute moral truth might be seen. As a Christian, I would say, well, my perspective on truth is based on God, because God is truth. He’s the embodiment of all truth, and he went to all the trouble to codify that truth. For us, in a document that we call the Bible, I would have to share with you why I believe the Bible actually represents God’s truth and that’s the only truth.
It can’t be your truth and my truth and God’s truth, and they’re all right. My argument will be only God’s truth is right. And so once we start into that debate, if I don’t want to go there, what am I saying? Well, the relationship is more important than truth, not in God’s eyes because he is truth. We’re called to be like him. We’re called to respect him. We’re called to honor him at all times we’re called to represent him. We have to understand that part of developing a meaningful relationship with other people is that we would be helping them to know what truth is. Now, we might not do it the first moment we meet them, it might happen over the course of time once they begin to trust us. But there’s all these different things that have to take place. But in our culture, we say now, if you want to be a mature person, you want to be an acceptable person in this culture, then you have to accept everybody’s truth as just as valid as yours.
Sam Rohrer:
George, I found when I was in political office, everybody there feared being accused of being narrow-minded. That was believers. We said, wait a minute, but Jesus said, narrow is the way that leads to life eternal and few there be to find it. Now that’s narrow, but we don’t want to be called narrow-minded and boy, boy. So therefore we glorify open-mindedness. Now, you did say this in important, we don’t have to carry over the next segment probably, but you said this, being open-minded is only possible in a pluralistic society. I want you to define pluralism and why it runs contrary to biblical truth. And I know you’re not saying there that being open-minded is a good thing if you’re in a pluralistic society. I think you are saying that being open-minded is only possible in a pluralistic society, but can that be where we are and does a pluralistic society, can it ever equate to biblical truth?
George Barna:
No, it can’t. And basically pluralism is the coexistence of two or more groups or philosophies that hold conflicting and competing points of view. And what pluralism does is it gives recognition and status and authority to all of those groups and philosophies that’s the opposition or the opposite of what Christianity is, which actually believes that being closed-minded if what your mind embraces is God’s truth.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, and with that ladies and gentlemen, we’ll have to cut it by. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We’ll be right back. We’ll continue that thought as we go into further identification of these justifications for rejecting moral. If you’re just joining us right now, we’re midpoint in the program. Our special guest is Dr. George Barna, and we are discussing today the latest release from the American Worldview Inventory 2025, which you can find at the website of cultural research center.com. And it’s a part of a continuing release of data that we’ve talked about happening. So anyway, I’m not going to go back and review anything at this point we’ve already talked about just simply because of the amount of time involved. But George, let’s move forward into the area of justification. We talked in that one, in that last segment and spent a good deal of time talking about the idea of people convinced themself that to being open-minded is to be equivalent to a mature mind.
And by so doing, if we talked about you do not want to be accused of being narrow-minded people know what I’m saying when I say that because don’t we all fear when being narrow-minded? Do you narrow-minded individual, but it’s a major impact in the way we think? Well, your second justification for why people will convince themselves to reject absolute moral truth, George, is this, it’s the idea I guess, that multiple truths exist. So expand upon that a little bit. I guess these people would say it’s not that truth doesn’t exist, but absolute truth doesn’t exist, but multiple truths do exist. So anyway, sounds a little confusing, but explain this, please.
George Barna:
Yeah, it’s interesting. Again, what we’ve got is roughly six out of 10 Americans who would say that there can be multiple conflicting views of moral truth, and yet even though they conflict all of those conflicting views can be completely accurate. And so it’s something that really challenges our notion of logic because ultimately what that means is that well then there can be neither objective nor subjective truth because everything is up for grabs, everything can be disputed. And when you look at, well, who believes that it’s shocking to see the number of Christians. I mean, we found that two out of three Catholics believe this, six out of 10 people who attend mainline Protestant churches, about six out of 10 people who call themselves Christians, believe this. And the most shocking one to me because they’re usually so very, very distinct from the rest of the public are a group we call integrated disciples, people who have a biblical worldview where one out of every four people with a biblical worldview believes that yes, there can be multiple truths that exist.
So as a Christian, you’ve got to recognize that you really can’t be salt and light if there’s no such thing as truth. All you’re going to be is your own human, sinful, fallen self, and you’re really not bringing the glory of God and the power of his kingdom with you because by saying, well, there are many different truths, ultimately you’re going to start talking about salvation. What that’s going to lead to is there are many paths to salvation, which we know definitively is not the case because if it were, then Jesus died a meaningless death on the cross that would also suggest that the resurrection didn’t take place. I mean, there’s such a body of truths, absolute moral truth that get wiped out when you start saying, but there are a lot of truths and it really doesn’t matter which one you buy into as long as you have some truth that’s pointing you in a direction, basically this approach destroys the existence and the value of God’s guidance and his boundaries for our life. It says that morality isn’t really about right or wrong, it’s about how you feel. And so without absolute moral truth, there’s no right or wrong and everything then becomes my feelings versus your feelings.
Isaac Crockett:
And George, I’ve seen that in the classroom. I’ve seen it in board rooms, even meeting rooms, even in seminary rooms and church offices. I’ve seen these things and we’re talking about it right now. It might sound sort of bizarre to some people, but they start prophesizing and things and they act like it makes sense. And one of the other things you discussed that they say is, well, maybe that used to be true, but now it’s different and just like you were saying, they’re basing it on feelings and it’s changeable. So things have changed as this other argument. No longer is it true or now it’s true. Can you explain that to us?
George Barna:
I mean, this is something that in the research we found, people were saying, well, this is proof that there is no absolute moral truth because what we used to feel was truth. We no longer feel is truth. Our feelings have shifted. Well, yeah, that’s because your feelings don’t represent truth, but people haven’t come to that understanding yet. The argument really that underlies us is that it’s people or a culture that determines truth. And so when people change their feelings change, when the culture changes, when its traditions change, when its customs change, their perspective will be, and therefore moral truth also changes. But that’s a gross misunderstanding of what absolute moral truth is, much less where it comes from rather than defining and interpreting experience. We need to go back to that thing that is unchanging and the only unchanging thing in our entire experience is God. And so that’s what we need to hang our moral hats on. It’s God and what he’s given to us as moral truth.
Sam Rohrer:
George are two other items as well that you mentioned justifications. One that there’s no proof of moral absolutes. That’s an interesting one that people, because you can’t prove that. How many times have we all heard it, Isaac and George? You can’t prove it that God exists. Example. That’s one. Then the other is that moral truth is a societal construct, meaning that it’s just what the society produces at its certain given point. Third one you had done was lying can be justified. I think you can deal with all of them, but whichever one of those you think is the most important, but no proof exists, that’s one that I’ve heard anyways, respond to the balance of the three. Here we’re going to move into consequences of the next segment.
George Barna:
Yeah, I mean, you’ve got almost half the culture who says that even religious people have different views of truth. You talk to a Christian, you talk to a Mormon, you talk to a Jew, you talk to a Bahai person, a Hindu, they’ve all got ideas about truth, and that’s proof that there’s no absolute moral truth. But of course that’s true only if you believe that people themselves are sovereign, that people themselves are the determinants of truth. Only if you believe that all religions are equally valid. And then this other idea that truth is a social construct, that it doesn’t exist outside of the boundaries of a given culture, and therefore from culture to culture, you’re going to have different truth ideas that emerge. Well, again, that’s relying on culture as being sovereign when it comes to truth. And we know that culture certainly isn’t because it’s made up of sinful people and we don’t want to be relying on the feelings of confused, conflicted, sinful people to be the ones who are determining what moral truth is and should be.
And then this bizarre notion that, again, a third of all Americans, I mean that’s a huge number of people that we’re talking about, more than 80 million Americans who say, well, lying can be justified. And the notion that we discovered behind that is that, well, if when you lie, what you’re doing is you’re protecting your interests or your reputation, well, therefore, if the benefit that you receive is greater than the harm that’s caused to the person that you’re lying to, sure you can justify lying. And so basically what we’re doing is we are defending deception and manipulation. We’re saying those things are okay if they provide sufficient benefit. Now you’ve got to ask yourself, do you really want to believe in and live in a society where people are saying, Hey, look, I can your decision, I can everything in your environment.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, I’m going to step in here at the moment, ladies and gentlemen, we are having a problem with our connection. Isaac, what kind of a comment do you have at the moment based on what information that George was given? That’s pretty astounding and impactful stuff, isn’t it?
Isaac Crockett:
It is. And Sam, as I was reading through it today, and I was wanting to ask George about this too, is I have dealt with a lot of Middle Eastern mysticism type of things from folks in the Middle East, but it became popular in a lot of college circles and things, and it’s been filtering into the education system. It seems like to me, this kind of idea that there’s multiple truths, no absolutes. We talk about this postmodernism, and I’m just curious, and maybe you or George have a response. What we are seeing now in these polls and surveys even amongst professing Christians, is this a result of what we might call postmodernist teaching in the classroom, especially in our grade schools, in the public school system?
Sam Rohrer:
That’s a great question, Isaac, and that brings us right up the break. So I’m not going to be able to respond to that. I don’t know if George has heard it. Maybe he can. Again, ladies and gentlemen, when you do live radio, things happen. There’s so many signals in the air, it’s amazing. Anything actually comes through clear, isn’t it? But that’s the way it is. So when you stay with us, we’ll come back because when all these things exist, when these vast numbers of people are rejecting moral authority, believing a lie, the natural result, there have to be consequences. Alright? We’re going to talk about some of those consequences. This is the part you really should make us all just sit up. Well, we’re going into our final segment now, and George, we’re going to move into consequences. You talk about that because obviously you cannot have the kind of findings, ladies and gentlemen, where one considers that 74% of all American adults now reject absolute moral truth in favor of feelings.
74% or that nine of 10 embrace syncretism. It’s a blending of competing worldviews. And that even among Christians majorities accept moral pluralism with only 4% of adults get that 4% of adults holding a biblical worldview. Now, think about that. If God is so clear and he is in his word, on what is truth, and we know from the Garden of Eden when the serpent tested, Eve tempted Eve and said half God said, I mean literally that’s what we’re witnessing, that now we’re dealing with. If only 4% of adults hold a biblical worldview, I’m going to say 96% don’t. Alright, wow. We got a big circumstance here and we’ve learned that some of those justifications, being open-minded, society creates the standards. All these things we’ve gone over. George, you cite towards the end a statement that says truth views are a divisive but critical cultural issue.
Not to a believer we know that that’s truth because Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and the world of that day convicted him and killed, murdered Jesus Christ, but who is victorious and we rose from the dead, and we know that that is true, but truth, Jesus is divisive in this world. So yeah, that’s a true statement without a doubt. But what are some of those consequences, George, to the findings of this report that you’re talking about? Build that out a little bit, and I just have to throw this in. I got to get it off my chest. There was another segment I was going to put it in, but I didn’t. In that segment, you talked about pluralism, you talked about the open-mindedness could only exist in a scenario of pluralism. I look around and say, if 96% don’t have a biblical worldview, and 74% of American adults now reject absolute moral truth, that surely those people, 74% of them, we also find them spread throughout government.
We find them, we must find them spread throughout the pulpit. They must be spread throughout society. This morning, I guess I was looking at something and regardless of the many, many good things that’s happening under this administration, the president signed a religious freedom commission on the 1st of May, and it was a very, very, very good thing that was done. But embedded within it was a phrase that actually went to the concept of pluralism. And it said, the purpose of the commission is tasked with producing a comprehensive report on the foundations of religious liberty in America, strategies to increase awareness of and celebrate America’s peaceful religious pluralism. I look at that and I’m saying, and most people are going to embrace that in good people, but that’s not a true statement. So George, I mean, we are hidden from all sides. Are we not common, however you want on that, but we’re just so dominated by the things that you’re talking about that it comes up everywhere we look, media, even in the political aspect, even in what I just said, is it not?
George Barna:
Yeah. And Sam, I would say one of the reasons why we chose to dive into this whole issue of truth when we’re basically trying to understand America’s worldview is that one of the core foundations of having a biblical worldview is that you have to understand that there is absolute moral truth. You know that it’s based on the reality of who God is and the life principles that he’s given to us in his word. And so to understand why American society is having such difficulty today, you’ve got to recognize how truth and pluralism fit together to undermine the strength of the country, the fulfillment that people are experiencing in their lives, and the decline of the Christian faith within this society. And so recognize that when you talk about what are some of the consequences of people saying that there is no absolute moral truth, that there are multiple truths, that there is now proof that there can’t be absolute moral truth, that lying can be justified.
All these things we’ve talked about, well recognize that’s why our culture is experiencing unprecedented levels of chaos and confusion and helplessness. Why so many millions of Americans feel like every day they’re the victim of things that should not have happened in their daily experience, but it’s because the people that they’re interacting with, some of whom they would consider friends, some of whom may be family members, many of whom may be colleagues from where they work, and they’re supposedly united around a common mission and vision, it’s because these people are now turning to their feelings to determine truth. And their feelings in any given moment or situation or experience have compelled them to do something that’s in the worst interests of you, but it’s in their own best interest. And they now feel that truth justifies that they do, that morality justifies that they take that action.
And so we now live in a culture where our values are distorted, where honesty has been redefined, where love has been personalized, and it becomes a one-way street where responsibility is not something that we embrace, but it’s something that we place on the shoulders of other people. Trust is something that we have a hard time finding or developing because other people now have their best interest in mind and there is no commonality. We live in a culture now where community is difficult to build and to experience and to enjoy because of these distorted values. We look at the lifestyle of people and we say, well, they’re not living appropriately, but it’s because we’ve given up on civility. It’s because we no longer appreciate the concept of much less the delivery of respect between people. And we live in a culture where churches have virtually no impact on people’s worldview anymore. Churches are not appealing to the public. Why? Because they don’t stand up for absolute moral truth. They’re more interested in people coming in and feeling comfortable than they are in helping people to understand we serve a God of absolute truth. You don’t have to like it. You don’t have to feel comfortable with it. You just have to deal with it. You have to respect it, and you have to live within its boundaries. That’s what God gave to us so that we could live a meaningful, successful life. And that’s how it is.
Sam Rohrer:
And that’s how it is. And George, you really summarize that a lot. We go so much deeper. Isaac, I’d like to have you close us in prayer. These are things for which we need to pray. Isaac, you’re a pastor. You’re dealing with older and younger people. Any final comments from you in regard to application of what George’s say?
Isaac Crockett:
I think this report is a good wakeup call as I think all of your reports really are, George, for us to pray and to spread the gospel, let’s pray. Our Father, I do pray today that when we hear the somber reality of where our culture, where our nation is heading, that we would head to our knees in prayer, that we would head to your word to read it, to meditate, to praise you, to pray to you, to pour our hearts out to you. And I pray for the pulpits in our country that they would preach the truth, unfailing truth, the moral absolutes that we have, and lead us to Jesus Christ. And I pray for those parents out there and grandparents and Christians out there that they would pray and that they would serve, and that we would hope as we wait for the return of Jesus Christ, our Savior. It’s in His name we pray. Amen.
Sam Rohrer:
Amen. Thank you, Isaac. Thank you George Barna for being with us today. Ladies and gentlemen, again, you can find this report, cultural research center.com. Come back and listen to this entire program again, standard the gap radio.com, and off of our app, stand in the Gap.
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