Understanding Hinduism
Path Leading to Peace or Deception?
May 6, 2025
Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell
Guest: Julie Redmer
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 5/6/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Jamie Mitchell:
Welcome friends to another edition of Stand In the Gap. Today I’m your host, Jamie Mitchell, director of church culture at the American Pastor’s Network. There is a quiet and subtle but ever-growing invasion taking place in the United States. Well, it’s not illegal immigrants that we’re talking about that crisis is being addressed and no, there’s another subgroup in America that is gaining population growth and popularity. The Pew research tells us that this group has about 3.3 million members here presently, but by 2050 they will balloon to 5.9 million without hardly trying. One fact that I was taken back by is that they have an 80% retention rate of its male population as they move into adulthood, meaning they grow up in this group and 80% of them stick with it. That’s much better than evangelical Christianity right now, and it’s the highest of its kind. And they boast of some famous people who are taking part of this growing phenomenon, actors, Hugh Jackman and Julia Roberts, singer Madonna author, JD Salinger.
But where things really get interesting is the prominence of many who are part of this group have found their way inside our government. FBI, director Cash Patel, DNI, director, Tulsi Gabbard, Ohio, Guber candidate Vivek Ramas, Swami Democratic Congressman Rohan, and of course, our second lady, Usha Vance. Well, you probably figured it out, I’m talking about the Hindu religion. What we used to consider was just a religion for a person from India who wears a strange garb or wore a turban and chant some drone like sounds. That is not today’s Hindus. They are professionals, teachers in our schools. They influence the media outlets. They control much of the tech industry. And now, as I mentioned, they are deeply involved in US policy and the governance of this nation. The question that we need to be asking are, who are the Hindus? What do they believe? Why is there such a growing interest in our nation?
And how as Christians, can we take the gospel to them? These and more pertinent issues will be addressed in today’s program as we consider this understanding Hinduism, a path leading to peace or deception. And to help us as a returning guest, Julie Redmer, she serves with everyone, the North American division of ABWE. ABWE uses the byline crossing cultures without crossing borders, and it develops and conducts seminars across North America to equip believers and churches to share the good news with what I like to call the new people groups that have emerged here in the United States. Julie and her team have been working on a new seminar about reaching Hindus, and we’re going to learn about that seminar and much more. Julie, welcome again to Stand In the Gap today.
Julie Redmer:
Thanks, Jamie. Thanks for having me again. I really enjoyed our chat last time and I’m really looking forward to this one as well.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, we so appreciate Every Ethne what you guys do because it’s important. We need to be equipped in some of these new groups and groups of people that are coming and need the gospel. Julie, I want you to take some time discussing what Hindus believe, but before we get to that, can you explain why is this group growing in America? Also describe the modern American Hindu. Who are they? What are they like? Just get us warmed up to this whole subject of Hinduism
Julie Redmer:
For sure. So the Hindu population is growing in America due to many Indians migrating from India for better career prospects and higher salaries in the us. And this migration’s been going on for several decades. Now, you referred to the Pew research, and I’ll just break it down to the percentage of the population here in the us. Pew says that about 1.2% of the US population is now Hindus. So because the US is home to so many prestigious universities and research institutions, a large number of Indian students come here to the US for higher education. And the result is that the Indian community is extremely well educated and many members have advanced degrees and professional qualifications, but then once they attain those degrees and qualifications, many choose to stay right here in America after graduation due to the opportunities in the IT field, in the sciences and in other fields.
And also Indians are coming to America to do business as a people. They have a strong work ethic and they’re highly motivated to succeed. So on a personal level, to answer your question, who are they and what are they like? Hindus really value relationships and mutual respect is everything in their relationships. Even if they don’t agree with you or you don’t agree with them, still treating each other with respect is a high value that they hold. They like to be hospitable toward Americans and seek friendships with us as well. And two, a Hindu friendships aren’t just mutually respectful, but they’re mutually beneficial. Their friendships, they grow over time as their trust is built over time and they know someone better and often their friends become just like family to them. Relationships with Hindus must be long-term. Sometimes our American worldview of instant gratification and needs-based relationships conflicts with their understanding of friendship.
Now, if you’re forming a friendship with Hindu, don’t be surprised if they become aloof when he or she learns that you’re Christian. Many Hindus have learned that Christians don’t have the same concept of friendship, and they believe that Christians only want to be friends with them, to convert them to Christianity. And while that is a noble and holy ambition, and I encourage everyone to do that, we want our neighbors and coworkers to become believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. Of course, to do that, we need to build some bridges with them, some bridges of commonality that can begin conversations and grow just regular friendships with them that will then move on to be able to bear the weight of talk about the God of the Bible. So again, there relationships that grow over time, they’re intended to last forever. Trust is built over time and getting to know someone well, and you stick with those friendships and you’ll become just like their family.
Jamie Mitchell:
Julie, from my observation, they’re hardworking. They love their family and they want to get ahead. They want to grow and like you’re saying, grow their business, grow their work. And what has happened for us is I have said this all the time, the mission field has now come to America, and we need to adopt a missionary mindset and lifestyle with our coworkers, with our neighbors, everyone around us. Now, when we come back, what do Hindus belief? I have to tell you, this has been a challenging radio program to get back because it’s a very complex system of belief. Julie is going to try to help us understand that and give you a little taste of what their new seminar is in reaching Hindus. Don’t go away. Stay with us. Well, thank you for staying with us. We’re looking at how to understand and reach Hindus.
Our guest is Julie Reder is the national Director of Heart, mind and Soul Ministry of Every Ethne, the North American division of A BWE. They have developed what they call a heart, mind and soul seminar on reaching Hindus. Julie’s been with us before and she talked about some of the other ministries they have going. Julie, probably most of our listeners have encountered a person of the Hindu faith, whether it’s a neighbor or at school or in their workplace, or for sure if they went to the doctor somewhere, they’re going to find somebody who’s a Hindu, but most likely they don’t know what they believe. Can you give us some keys or insights that we need to know to get an understanding what Hindus believe?
Julie Redmer:
Well, I’m going to give my best shot at it. I just want to let your listeners know that I have been blessed with a team of Hindu background believers and Indians who have a Christian background and then became believers themselves in Christ who have devoted their lives, not only to ministry to Hindus, but also the study of the religion. So I bring to you today information that comes from greater, more experienced minds. I’m just the mouthpiece today. So we have a whole team to thank for everything that we’ll learn today. That being said, I’ll just say that Hinduism is, as you said, it’s really a diverse and complex religion. It has a wide range of beliefs and practices, and some of those practices include rituals and meditation. We’re all aware of yoga, astrology and devotion to different deities, many different deities. Those beliefs and practices, they can vary from individual to individual and among different sex and regions of where the Hindu people live primarily in the subcontinent, right?
So that’s why it’s so important that we make this statement right now for everyone to hear. Getting to know each individual. Hindu is the best way to know what their personal spiritual beliefs are, and then you can deal with the reality of what it is they hold true and what it is that they worship. So all of that being said, there are some key beliefs in Hinduism and probably the most widely known to Americans is the concept of karma. That is the idea that actions have consequences. This doctrine is a central tenet of Hinduism. It’s the belief that future lives will bring either happiness or suffering through the choices we make during our present life. The other key belief of Hinduism are dharma, which is one’s duty or moral responsibility, samsara the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth, and moksha, which is the liberation from the cycle of reincarnation and moksha is the ultimate goal for a Hindu.
Hindus also worship. Those are key tenets of there. Those are key beliefs. But Hindus, in addition to that, they worship multiple gods and goddesses. In theory, Hinduism says that there’s only one God who is Brahma, that’s his name, but in practice and tradition, they worship and they pray to multiple gods. Some of the famous Gods our listeners might be aware of, Rama Krishna, Shiva, Vishnu, and there are more. Each individual Hindu ends up believing in worshiping different gods for different areas of their life. So they’ll have a family God, a cast God, an area or a village God, their favorite God and their personal God. Then they’ll also worship different gods for different occasions. For example, if they have a bill to pay or they have a tested school, or they have something going on in their lives that requires wisdom, they’ll pray to the God of wisdom.
And business men often worship the goddess of wealth. So lots of stuff going on there. It’s estimated that there are between 30 million and 330 million Hindu gods. How anyone will ever know is hard to tell, but there are a lot of gods out there for the Hindus to worship. So Hinduism is also very superstitious. So for example, if a person is having a loss in his or her business, in fear of that, they’ll organize a prayer meeting or a worship meeting called a puja of a particular God. Or if you’re sick, most of the time as a Hindu, they might think that you have ignored or not prayed enough to a particular God. So they’ll organize a worship time or a prayer time to address that issue as well. So again, Hinduism is a diverse religion with a wide range of beliefs and individual practices and interpretations. So the big point here is that Hindu is constantly living in fear and guilt, and that fear and guilt drives them to worship their gods. So those gods won’t be angry.
Jamie Mitchell:
Julie, to be honest, I had to go back to my Bible college days to get ready for this program. I had to go and stir up memories about what they believe and try to pull out some notes and all of that. In essence, as I was looking at this, Hindus put a lot of weight on the fact of how they live has great bearing on how the gods look at them or accepts them. I mean, this is classic works, righteousness theology. I have got to do something or be in the right place to get approved by God. That’s an essence of where they’re at now. It’s very complex. Can you weigh in though a little bit more on this view of reincarnation? You mentioned that this is fairly significant and it’s not something, A lot of times Hindus will just share openly, but it’s weighty on their mind, isn’t it?
Julie Redmer:
It truly, and you are absolutely right. This is a works-based religion, how Hindus live, what good works are for Hindus, it’s dictated by their dharma, which I mentioned earlier. That’s one’s duty or the morality that they have to keep. So their karma is based on how well they do their dharma, which is their good works, and their dharma will depend on their cast and their stage of life. So their standard of morality, so to speak, of good work kind of morphs over the course of their life. And this can make it really confusing and lead to misunderstandings for Americans as we experience different Hindus with whom we might work or share a neighborhood. So that’s one of the reasons that our heart, mind, and soul Hindu seminar emphasizes and helps our participants understand these different nuances and these different ways that Hinduism can be confusing.
Our seminars help them to understand the importance of getting to know their Hindu neighbor, their individual Hindu neighbor or coworker, because they might be in a different stage of life than another Hindu that, or they might come from a different cast or even a different village. All of those things play together. So we need to learn a lot about each and every individual Hindu that we come in contact with as we grow friendships with them, if we want that friendship to bear the weight of conversations about biblical truth. Now, to address your question about reincarnation, it is, it’s very significant in Hindu’s thinking. It is the belief that their next life is dependent on the collection of consequences that they’ve kind of stored up or amassed from their actions during not just their present life, but their past lives as well. So again, this is karma.
More bad karma than good karma keeps each person locked in the cycle of rebirth. A karma cycle is a cycle of repeating events caused by our actions. So the soul may take the form of a human or an animal or a plant depending on the moral quality of the Hindu’s previous life actions pre incarnation, it’s complex for sure, but it’s also the belief that a single eternal soul is reborn multiple times in different physical forms, whether plant or animal, human or divine. But nobody knows what they’ll be in their next life. But for example, just for example, if you’re a good human by doing good actions, so you have good karma in this life, in the next life, you could be born as a frog, and then if it’s a frog, you live and die. You might be born as a fish. If you live life as a good fish, then the next life you might be born as a good dog. But again, nobody really knows what they will be in the next life. So they’re living this life the best they can, hoping to outweigh their bad karma with good karma so they can come back as something, I don’t know, more preferable maybe, but something that can get them closer to getting out of this cycle of reincarnation. So again, they’re constantly living in fear and guilt, and with that fear and guilt, they worship their gods so that those gods won’t be angry so that they again hope for a better next lifecycle.
Jamie Mitchell:
Julie,
Julie Redmer:
Yeah,
Jamie Mitchell:
As you’re talking and having encountered some Hindus along the way, they are very sincere about their faith. I mean, we hear this, we hear about karma and dharma and the thousands of gods and all of that. But the fact of the matter is they really are sincere and they’re very tolerant. I mean, they’re very accepting and all of that, and I guess that’s what makes it hard to reach them, even though they have little hope and a lot of uncertainty and a boatload, a boatload of fear. These dear people are sincere. Now French, we are just scratching the surface. There is much more Julie’s going to share with us to understand how to be an effective witness, but we need to get ready. This is a complex religion, but these folks are all around us, and the fact is, if you have Hindus living around you, you have an opportunity to share the gospel and the hope found in Christ.
When we return, how do we actually engage in a witnessing conversation with the Hindu? Don’t go anywhere. Well, welcome back. We are considering those who are part of the Hindu faith and how to reach them. Our guest, Julie Redmer, is from Every Ethne and she’s our guest and trying to help us understand this. It’s a very complex belief system, but it is also a growing population here in America where there’s a lot of opportunities You might have seen that we’re doing this program today on Hinduism, and you say, well, we’re going to talk about just the Indian population. This is more than just the Indian population. This is now becoming very mainstream here in America because of the contemplative nature of this religion, their pursuit of peace, they’re very tolerant group of people. There’s held greatly in the idea of mysticism. There is a lot of things that are attracting people to Hinduism, and we need to know how to keep all this straight, but also to be able to talk with them. Julie, if I were to encounter a Hindu, where do I start to try to discuss spiritual things and to discuss salvation and ultimately get to the gospel? Are there any ways to get some inroads amidst this very complex belief structure
Julie Redmer:
Relationship, just like every other area of life, right? Building a strong relationship. So like I said at the beginning of our time together, Jamie, Hindus of all sorts value, relationships and hospitality and mutual respect, even in the face of opposing beliefs, they don’t mind so much talking about opposing beliefs so long as there’s a mutual respect and a growing friendship behind that. So we need to approach Hindus as the image bearers they are and value them as such. Each one is created in God’s image and they’re in desperate need of Jesus Christ. They’re not a project. They’re a person, and they’re a person that believes that their goal is to attain moksha, which is the liberation from that cycle of reincarnation, like I said. But they’re clueless if they get it or not. So they’re in this cycle and we have the answers. So building a relationship as true and faithful friends to Hindus, the Hindus that God places in our lives and the workplace, the neighborhoods, the cricket fields, the soccer fields, so many places, we have opportunities to meet Hindus.
So if we build those true faithful relationships and we’re motivated to love is God’s love, and if we realize that it may take years of building a relationship and sharing the truth of God’s love and Christ’s sacrifice before our Hindu friends ever repent and believe, if we can just be in it for the long haul, we can see God work and no matter their decisions along the way. Relationships with Hindus are long-term investments for us. We need to really dig in and show them that we love, we care. We’re in it for the long haul, not just to get them to convert to Christianity, although that is our hope and our dream, our noble purpose, but so that they will see the love we have for them and they’ll be inclined to tell us what do they need prayer for and what needs does this friendship have? What biblical truth can we share at all those appropriate moments along the way that the Holy Spirit provides.
Jamie Mitchell:
Julie? It’s interesting. I had some people in one of my churches that were former Hindus, and I remember that hospitality, that relational peace in their life, even though they had become believers, they still had that. They just loved the idea of sitting and talking and learning about who you were, and that’s a big part of this evangelistic effort. Now, we’re going to talk about your seminar a little bit later, and obviously we want to encounter churches who may consider hosting it, but can you give us a little sneak peek? How do you introduce a Hindu to Christ? I know you have some former Hindus that are a part of your seminar in helping you with the development of it. Was it anything in their testimony that kind of is a key to being a window for the gospel to be then presented?
Julie Redmer:
Well, I hate to be repetitive, Jamie, but I’m going to say relationship, just Christians who moved in and built relationships with them. And as they built those relationships, they shared how Jesus transformed their own life. And so they may look, Hindus may look like they’ve got it all figured out how to live their lives by being a Hindu, but they are also curious. They’re curious to know how this Christianity works out for their friends who are Christians. And so as you’re building a relationship with a Hindu, just slowly share with your Hindu friend how Jesus has helped you or healed you through your personal testimonies. God is working in our lives every day. We need to be sharing those truths with our Hindu friends just like we would our Christian friends. Then as you’re doing life with them and these friendships, show them God’s love.
Have them experience and let them see how you are obeying Jesus’ teachings by being a loving, kind, faithful friend again. And once they’re convinced in their mind that there is truth in the Christianity that we talk about, they’ll want to start investigating that truth further by asking a lot of questions. As the Holy Spirit leads sit down with them and point them to the scriptures to answer those questions, and they probably will go through a process if experience within our team proves out across the board, and I think it will, that their mind tries to merge their Hindu beliefs into Christianity. The questions of Jesus’ birth or his life. They really want to dig into those. They want to hear the different stories about Jesus because in their scriptures, they have different stories which makes them think that God’s come as avatars or to fulfill some special purpose on earth.
We need to be ready to be telling them Jesus is very unique. Jesus is unique in his birth, his life on earth, his death, his resurrection. We need to talk about that uniqueness that should be emphasized from the scriptures about the purity of Jesus, the power of Jesus and the purpose of Jesus. Those are three areas that Hindus really seem to be very interested in and make a big impression on them. The purity of Jesus is so important. I mean to be born sinless to people who are trying so hard to get themselves out of this cycle of reincarnation because bad karma outweighed good karma and they’ve never gotten enlightened, right? So that is super important to them. They want to know about a future. They don’t know anybody who was sinless on this earth or a future of sinlessness. Only Jesus can answer that question for them.
And then the power of Jesus is also important to prove that he’s not just an ordinary God, one of those 30 or 330 million, but he’s a powerful God. He has the power to forgive and save us. His power is matchless with any other God and the purity of Jesus, the purity and the powerful. Another important thing, excuse me. Another important thing is the Jesus who is pure and powerful. He also has a purpose, and the purpose of Jesus is to save us by sacrificing his own life. For us, this concept of Jesus’ purpose was to die on the cross for our sins. That can really, really be profound and needs to be profound to a Hindu. So if we stick to the purity of Jesus, the power of Jesus and the purpose of Jesus, as we’re building these relationships, we can really draw them further into the scriptures where the Holy Spirit is going to do his work.
So from a Hindu even coming to church or becoming a Christian, it can take a long time. I want everyone to understand that just accepting an invitation to come to a church could take a long time and then becoming a Christian, while obviously God can do that in a number of days if he wants or number of months, it’s usually a lengthy and difficult process, and everyone has their own timeline and it could take years and sometimes it takes a lifetime. So I just want to repeat again that building a friendship that is faithful and in it for the long haul is really the way God wants to use us in introducing and teaching Hindus about the one true living God who can save them once for all.
Jamie Mitchell:
When dealing with Hindus, we’re not going to have a didactic conversation, try to teach them anything from what I have observed and understood, like you’re saying. You have to have that relationship. And then when a life event takes place, when suffering comes into your life, when a loved one and you’re then able to share the hope because they had a relationship with Christ and they’re not in this cycle of reincarnation absent from the body, they are now present with the Lord of the universe. Those types of things begin to weigh on the Hindu to start asking questions of their own faith. And again, they want to learn, they want to hear. They want to know what your life is about, but they don’t want to be taught at, they don’t want to be controlled. They don’t want to be pressured. They are very tolerant people, but more is going to be caught than taught what’s going to happen this week.
Friends, this week, God is going to send you a Hindu. God seems to do that. Look, you are not an expert, but with some of these basic understandings and importantly, focus on the relationship, God can and will use you. Look, don’t go anywhere. We have one more segment left and we’re going to learn a little bit more about the seminar that every ethnic is offering. Don’t go anywhere. Stay with us here at Stand of the Gap today. Well, I hope this has been a helpful and insightful hour. Julie Reder has been equipping us on how to engage and impact Hindus with the gospel. Julie, I want you to talk about the seminar that will help people go deeper into this issue. Before you do though, one additional question, can you share what kind of challenges might believers face when talking with Hindu believers about eternal things?
Julie Redmer:
Yeah, that’s a great question. There are some common challenges that believers will face when witnessing to Hindus. And the first one I’m going to tell you about is going to come as no surprise pride, right? The same challenge no matter you’re telling who you’re talking to about Jesus. But the pride in Hinduism, I mean, Hinduism is the oldest and best religion in a Hindu’s mind, and it’s arguably the oldest religion in the world. It’s evolved over 3000 years. Hindus have a real cultural pride about Hinduism, and they can look down on other religions like Christianity and Islam. It’s Hinduism is deeply entrenched into every area of their culture. Their religion and their culture just can’t be separated, so they think that their religion has the truth and the correct way of living. Hindus also believe that Christianity is a foreign religion, and theirs is the national religion.
So that pride of Hinduism and just that whole being so deeply rooted into their culture is a real stumbling block for them, and it’s a real challenge to believers who are witnessing to them. Another example, after sharing about Jesus with a Hindu, believers might hear their Hindu friend at some point profess faith in Jesus as God. But even if that happens, I just want to encourage believers to stay engaged, don’t back down like, ah, great, they know the Lord, but take opportunities to help them understand the gospel more accurately. Because many times Hindus just add Jesus to the other deities they worship. They’ll add Jesus to their God shelf, so to speak. So I remember the first time that I was in India, there was a Hindu priest who just sang his heart out and played an instrument about the wonderful saving grace of Jesus and his beauty and his majesty, and I was just moved to tears that this Hindu had come to know Christ, but then the believers on the ground there were saying, no, he’s a Hindu priest.
He’s still practicing in the temple. He’s just added Jesus to his Gods shelf. So we just have to stick in there with that, realizing that for people who have multiple deities, adding Jesus is kind of a natural progression for them while they come to the understanding that Christ alone is God. The last stumbling block for them in a challenge to believers is persecution. They will be persecuted by their own family and friends more often than not. If a Hindu accepts Christ and lives as a Christian, his own family members may threaten to kill them, cut them from the ancestral property, cut them from the business, and they’re just cut off from all of their relatives and friends. And that’s a scary situation for them to be in such a tight knit culture and then be removed from that because of their faith in Christ. Even events like weddings and worship services and funerals, they won’t be welcomed to those anymore. They’re not invited. And on many occasions, new believers can even be not just excluded from those events, but driven away from the villages, not given access to drinking water or have a job or marriage. They just have a really hard time. And now I know I’m talking about Hindus in India, but we’re thinking about the good number of them who have come to the United States and North America in general. Those traditions come with them. So those are some real stumbling blocks.
Jamie Mitchell:
Yeah. The other thing I know for sure is that you could talk to one Hindu and then another and ask them both the question, Hey, can you tell me what you believe? And you might get two very different perspectives because the wide breadth of beliefs and ideas and what they practice can be very confusing. And so again, as Christians, we need to lean in, listen in some respects, sort out what they believe so that we can then address and apply the gospel. Julie, the rest of our time, can you tell our audience about the heart, mind, and Soul Hindu seminar where they can find out about it? How can they attend? Can their church host it? And while you’re at it, what other seminars do you guys offer that can really help people in their witnessing?
Julie Redmer:
Yeah, I’m absolutely glad. Thanks, Jamie. The Heart, mind and Soul Hindu seminar is a between five and six hour interactive learning experience during which participants will begin in the heart section to examine their own hearts and how they really feel toward Hindus. And they’ll perfectly reorient their hearts to bring them into an alignment with God’s heart for Hindus. And then once we have our hearts deeply concerned about the lostness of Hindus, we move on to the mind section where we look at Hindu holy writings and we learn their core beliefs and how those beliefs contrast and compare with biblical beliefs so that we can find areas of commonality for conversation starters. In the soul section, we take those reoriented hearts and informed minds, and then we teach the participants of four phase process for building grace and truth relationships with Hindus and giving them lots of helps for prayer and initiating relationships and ways to invest in those relationships and recognizing times to go deeper into biblical truth as the Holy Spirit gives them those opportunities.
So we do these seminars at churches. We love training church bodies to be on mission together, so they’re encouraging and spurring one another on checking in with each other to build these relationships with Hindus and to share Christ with those relationships that they’re building. And we’re surrounded, like you said, we’re surrounded by Hindus. We can hardly go to a workplace or to a school or to a neighborhood or to any place that we do our regular everyday life shopping and sports and everything. So we just really help them to understand how being on mission and building those relationships, how that can roll out so that they can be for the long haul, building that grace and truth relationship that will lead to the opportunity to share the gospel. So you can find out about the Heart, mind and Souls Hindu seminar@everya.org, and you can learn about all of our seminars there.
Just drop down the How we help tab and click on the reach ethnic group indicator, and then you’ll have a form there that you can fill out, and we will get back with you and help you host the Hindu seminar at your church. So we also offer an L-G-B-T-Q seminar, a Muslim seminar, and we are working on an atheism seminar that will kind of take in all of the irreligious groups. So we’re calling it atheism, but we’re also including agnosticism and deconstruction and just all of those who are living as if there is no God. And we also have an Eastern Asian religions coming soon.
Jamie Mitchell:
Wow, that is tremendous. What a great resource and what a help you guys are going to be to the church, especially with these very unique people groups that have come to America. The mission field is here. Thank you, Julie for being with us. Friends. This has been so good. I hope all that we have done today is salted the oats to make the horse thirsty. Not to say you’re a horse, but you get the idea. Check out Every Ethne’s website, find out how you can attend a seminar. We’ll be back in 23 hours for another stand of the gap today. But until then, like I say, at the end of every program, live and lead with courage, God bless you. Have a wonderful rest of this day.
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