Transhumanism: The Subverting of Humanity
June 11, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Dr. James Spencer
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 6/11/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand in the Gap Today. Now today’s focus is on the merging of technology with culture within culture and the many challenges that it’s presenting to all people, particularly believers who hold to a biblical worldview of life and living. And I’ll just say in there that a recent program we did with Dr. George Barna on this program, he in his recent research has confirmed believable or not it is believable, but it’s hard to believe that only 4% of all Americans hold a biblical worldview. So, alright, just think about that and turn to light of all of this. But my returning guest is Dr. James Spencer, president of the Useful to God Ministry, whose stated mission is to help the church defy the world and follow Christ by inspiring unqualified devotion to the triune God through biblical and theological instruction and discussion.
He’s also the president of the DL Moody Center, an independent nonprofit organization inspired by the life and ministry of evangelist Dwight l Moody. Now, if you’re a regular listener to this program, you know that I’ve devoted many programs with various guests over a length of time from guests with different perspectives on this theme to understanding the impacts of advancing technology, particularly now in the form of artificial intelligence that is literally dominating every aspect of life and shaping our understanding of reality keywords. It’s shaping our understanding of reality from everything from entertainment to all digital communications to politics, to finance, to healthcare, and even religion. One of the component pieces of technology being advanced by AI and changing by the day is the component that attempts to merge technology with the human body already advanced beyond any law or regulation anywhere in the world. It’s operating frankly in the realm of the old wild West frontier and by the very words of itch, primary proponents, those who have come up with and promoting it. This merger has already moved into the realm of the spiritual with arrogant and God defying statements of intent and targeted goals, this merger of technology into humanity. The specific focus today I’m referring to as transhumanism or the transhumanist movement and the title I’ve chosen to guide our discussion is this Transhumanism, the Subverting of Humanity. And with that, welcome back to the program, Dr. James Spencer. James, thanks for being back with me today.
James Spencer:
Yeah, thanks for having me, Sam. I’m looking forward to the conversation
Sam Rohrer:
I’d like to lay out in this first segment, Spencer, our focus for today on this movement referred to as transhumanism. And while there are various definitions that somebody can find of transhumanism and transhumanist and how it’s being implemented, I used a very simplified description in my introduction, and that is simply the merging of technology with the human body. But to understand what’s happening within the transhumanist movement, it goes beyond the simple physical component piece and it really begins with the motivation and the belief that undergirds it. So here’s my question. I’d like for you to start by defining, giving a definition of transhumanism and then from your perspective to describe it kind of in simple terms.
James Spencer:
Sure. Transhumanism is a philosophy that believes that if human beings have the technological capacity to overcome their biological limitations, that we should be able to implement those. And so it often focuses, just to give a clear example, it would say that death is a biological limitation, and so we want to use technology to try to overcome death, and these are areas where transhumanism really becomes problematic and starts to run against the teachings of scripture because we know what we need to do to overcome death. We know that Christ has overcome death for us. We know that faith in him and putting our faith in him is going to help us overcome death. It’s not going to be some technology. And so it’s a substitution of hope in Christ for hope in humanity via technology. I think that’s probably the best way to think through it.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, that’s excellent. And I’m going to read, I looked up this morning and anybody who’s listening to me right now, you can Google or you can find out a definition, but I want you to expand upon this a little bit because here’s one now. Well, this is from Wikipedia and it’s a definition encyclopedia that’s available online, whatever it says. This transhumanism is this, it shares many elements of humanism including a respect for reason and science, a commitment to progress in a valuing of human or transhuman existence in this life. Transhumanism differs from humanism in recognizing and anticipating the radical alterations in the nature and possibilities of our lives resulting from various sciences and technologies. Now, all of that being said, our listeners can get an idea of the direction they’re going, but here’s my point. The question to you transhumanism is obviously humanism. Humanism is an ism, it’s a belief structure and frankly by our own courts in our country, years ago they defined humanism as a religion. So walk into that a little bit because as a belief system transhumanism not have the nature and the characteristics of a religion.
James Spencer:
I think we could say that about almost any philosophy that we look at because philosophy is concerned with ultimate questions. And so what ends up happening is as we get adherence to a philosophy and particularly a philosophy like transhumanism, what we end up doing is we start to bind ourselves together based on our shared belief in this philosophy. And so you start to get things like a transhumanist movement where people are getting together and they’re saying, well, if I could embed an RFID chip in my hand, wouldn’t that be fantastic? And there’s a group of people there who say, yes, that would be fantastic. So if we think about religion as a binding together of people through a particular idea or philosophy, then what we have in transhumanism is that binding together. And so this is a movement that is looking to become what they call post-human no longer really human, not exactly cyborg, but something that has so transcended the limits of biology that they have become something other than human. They’ve moved beyond the human limitations such that they are almost like a superhuman or what they phrase as a post-human race. All of that speaks to things like salvation, to eschatology, to theological anthropology, and so the elements within transhumanism, you can kind of see how they would align with many of the doctrines, although perversions of our doctrines of the Christian faith.
Sam Rohrer:
And ladies and gentlemen, I hope that’s intriguing enough that you stay with us, the balance of the program, our theme today, transhumanism, the Subverting of Humanity, my special guest, Dr. James Spencer, president of Useful to God and DL Moody Center and some other things as well, but we’re walking through this subject when we come back, we’re going to go into the next segment to talk about the origination of this concept of transhumanism, when to begin, who were some of the people, what is the objective? We’ll build that out a little bit and then we’ll talk about the components in the third segment and then biblically responding to it in the last. If you’re just joining us, we’re at the beginning of the program. My special guest today, Dr. James Spencer, he is the president of the Useful to God Ministry of a website useful to god.com. Matter of fact, one of the articles I’m going to refer to within our program today can be found on that site.
The theme is this transhumanism, have you heard of it? Can you define it? Well, if you’re just joining us, we defined it in the last segment and we’re going to try to describe it and give some background and by the end of the program to give some breadth and consideration of what this is that I can say is all around us and it’s changing so very, very fast. Here’s some background. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the term transhumanism was popularized by the English biologist and philosopher Julian Huxley. In his 1957 essay on the same name, Huxley held that it was now possible for social institutions to supplant human evolution in refining and improving the human species. Now, that’s from the Encyclopedia Britannica, but I’m going to submit that the concept goes back a lot further than Julian Huxley. I’m going to say it goes back at least to the Tower of Babel where men tried to become God and actually before that, even precipitating the flood, when the fallen angels after sin, intermarried with human women and scripture says, bore giants and distorted versions of humanity, all of which God condemned since the recent days of Julian Huxley.
However extraordinary forays into the advancement of technology and literal tampering with not only the human body, but the very DNA behind it all aspects of God’s creation from weather tampering to the development of bio weapons, human cloning, and now the literal development of human robots. Alright, there’s a lot happened in a few years. Alright, James, in this segment and next let’s build off the definition of transhumanism as in essence in the last segment. Basically it’s a religious anti-God movement and talk a bit more about modern leaders of this movement and the goals that they embrace. Then the next segment we can identify some examples of how this movement is already literally merging technology with the human body. Now from your research, who would you identify as one of the most or the influential leaders of this movement in our day? Their stated desires and goals for this movement? In other words, the what and the why of this movement?
James Spencer:
Yeah, probably one of the most popular transhumanists that most people wouldn’t even necessarily recognize as a transhumanist is a gentleman named Nick Bostrom. He’s a philosopher. He’s written some fairly popular articles and some relatively popular books. A few years ago, 2014, he wrote a book called Super Intelligence In 2024, he authored Deep Utopia and then he’s got a relatively popular article out called The Vulnerable World Hypothesis where he talks about the challenges of implementing technology and calls for or suggests that if technology is going to continue to be safely implemented, what we need is sort of a global unified council that is going to determine which call balls and strikes on what technology is out there. I would say that the transhumanist movement right now is less hierarchical. It’s not sort of an authoritarian group. I would say it’s more made up of a series of influencers who are really just looking to find the space to allow for humans to use technology to better their bodies and to make that so appealing that other people will follow suit.
And so one of the areas that I would just point people to if they’re not familiar with it, is the latest, the development of the enhanced games. The enhanced games. There was a story that came out about a swimmer who just beat the 50 meter freestyle record in a time trial, I believe it was in February of this year. But the enhanced games, what they do is they bring these athletes in and they use performance enhancing substances to make them better athletes. And so they’re going to be holding over Memorial Day in 2026, a series of games that will include swimming track and field events and weight training with enhanced athletes. And so it’s easy for us when we think about technology, we’re often thinking about the devices, the chips, the screens, those kinds of things. But transhumanism doesn’t stop there. They’re willing to expand technology into the use of drugs and other substances that would enhance human performance and allow us, again, to transcend the limits of our own biology.
Sam Rohrer:
That’s interesting. And thinking about that, James, I mean I just was thinking right now as you’re talking about that you’ve got a philosophical driver behind it as you’re describing the concept of transhumanism, focusing on trying to enhance, go beyond the normal human body and human capabilities brings in interest from different levels, so wonder trying in sports and so forth. As I look at this, there are those who are transhumanists, I mean like an Elon Musk as a transhumanist. There are many who are billionaires that are involved in driving data, AI develop and so forth as an example that I don’t know for sure where they are in their own concept, but by the fact that they see an opportunity to make money. And even from national perspectives, nations are on board when Trump wants to make America the greatest center for all of the advancements of ai, but so does Saudi Arabia. China’s already down the road, so it seems like there’s a political interest to be first, there’s an economic interest to make the most money and whoever does it can control it. There’s a lot of factors coming into the push for what we’re talking about. There
James Spencer:
Are, and I think it goes back to you mentioned the Tower Babel narrative. You mentioned the sons of God and the daughters of men in Genesis six, I would go all the way back to the garden where the serpent convinces eve that the fruit that she’s about to eat can make her like God. And what drives all of these movements, A common thread that I think we don’t often talk about is we always view limitations as bad things. We just have that tendency. We think that if there’s a boundary, it needs to be moved out so that we can extend ourselves. And all of these movements that impetus toward progress, whether it’s through a transhumanist philosophy proper or through sort of these different strands of people who say we need to move beyond the limitations we currently have. There’s a sense in which the Bible teaches us that we are to be dependent on rather than independent from God, and that our dependence on God is the secret sauce that makes life work.
And so we don’t have to move beyond that dependence. The boundaries that God has set are actually the right boundaries, and if we just live within those, we will experience more than if we transgress those boundaries. And so all of these theories, as we think about it, as we think about the themes and how they integrate into these other areas of society, society tends to want to move beyond the current limitations because they’re trying to find something that will make life better when the reality is that we find that life will be better, so to speak, within the constraints that God has given us under the authority of Christ, we are going to live our best lives other.
Sam Rohrer:
That’s excellent because going back all the way to the garden, the devil was able to make Eve dissatisfied with her perfect condition and here we go. But what you’re talking about is wanting more has its root in being dissatisfied with what we have. And of course, that’s a very biblical concept as a run through the Lord is be satisfied with what you have, give thanks to God. Now, let me continue on in this transhumanism as a ism, as we just talked about in the last segment, is the framework of religion. It is referred to that by many people. Lemme combine and ask you for your thinking here on artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence is an aspect of technology. It definitely seems to be heavily involved with the merging of technology and the human body. But here’s a quote from, well, there’s a number of people who have talked about this one here.
Bill Gates says, AI has the potential to not only revolutionize the economy and society, but also it is a new religion as the path is so good that it will force us to rethink how we should use our time. He went on to say, you know, can almost call it a new religion in our new philosophy gets down to how do we stay connected with each other? And that was Bill Gates, but other ones are referring to it as religion, combine AI and the transhumanist movement as a religion or however you want to look at it.
James Spencer:
Yeah, so when I think about the capacities that AI is going to bring to the table, it makes sense to me that people would say yes. It’s like AI is the new God because the level of information that AI is able to process at any given moment is so much higher than what we are able to do. It feels infinite. It’s not infinite, but it can feel that way. And so what people are sort of framing AI as is we’re creating a God and what they mean by that is we’re creating something that is so much more powerful than we are that we are going to be able to leverage that capacity for our own good. That’s generally what people mean by it. And the fear isn’t that this thing that we’re creating is going to have flaws or problems. The fear is that this God that we’re creating is going to turn back against us and control us. And so I would say that Bill Gates’s comments are probably appropriate and reflective of what many people think about ai. But I would also say that because they’re human-centered thoughts, humans lie at the center of that religion, and so it will never actually work in any way, shape or form. There’ll be no advancement because when the human is sacred in the way that humans want to define themselves, we miss out on a lot that God is trying to tell us who we are, how we should live and where we can go.
Sam Rohrer:
Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We’ll be back in just a couple of moments. We’ll continue when I’m with the components, the strategy, how transhumanism is actually unfolding in this segment. We’re going to talk about transhumanism, carry it further a little bit. We’ve defined it in the first segment. We’ve described it, the people from where it came, give it some origination, some goals. In the last segment, that segment, we’re going to try and describe a few more of the actual, I guess, elements of how we’re seeing it worked out now as far back as 2019. Okay? Right now it’s 2000 to 25, 6 years ago, not real long, but a lot of things happen in these days and just short little while. But as far back as 2019 in a BBC feature article entitled The Transhumanists who are Upgrading Their Bodies, that’s the key word, upgrading their bodies.
These are people who were already experimenting back then with and becoming in their own words, evangelists for people upgrading themselves. All right, so this concept of upgrading ties in with what we’ve already talked about, bettering ourselves, not being satisfied with what we have, but going beyond. Okay. Now in this article, for instance, one young woman identified as Winter rats was her name. She says she loves her keys in her hand, but she does not mean holding them. The article goes on to say she actually has had her door key implanted into her left hand in the form of a microchip In her right hand, she has another microchip implant that acts as her business card, but could also be used to store important medical information for use in the case of an emergency. Now that was directly from the article 2019 BBC. Now here’s another one.
A 31-year-old engineer also has a magnet I’m reading from the article now. The 31-year-old engineer also has a magnet in one finger that allows her to sense electromagnetic fields, which she says helps her in her work. The RFID, which is Radio Frequency Identification, the RFID chip in her left hand works on the lock in her house door in the same way as many workplace security cards operate. This means she does not have to carry keys and keeps her hand free for her walking cane. Okay, now that was from the article. Now here’s another person in there identified Steven Royal, a 26-year-old technical operator from Manchester. This was in England, says this. He said, this fellow said he wants to have chips implanted to make smart hands. He says, we have smart TVs, smart phones, everything is smart. He says, why can’t I be smart? Article still says, Steven believes that transhumanism is the logical next step in human development.
He wants to be able to program the technology into his body to respond to his personal biology. He says, I am slowly turning myself into part machine. He said, I don’t mind being biological, but if I could be part mechanical that is so much more awesome than just my plain self. Well, that was six years ago. So the merging has now gone global and in ways that only mirror the dreams, I’m going to say of Julian Huxley. Alright, James, the link to the article, which I just quoted some from was on part of the article that you wrote entitled Image Bearers in the Digital Age Technology, transhumanism and Christian Discipleship, and that’s available on your site@usefulforgod.com. Here’s my question, can you identify now in this segment some of the more significant examples of how the religion of transhumanism has and is driving the merger of technology? I’m going to say enhanced by AI that we talked about in other efforts to produce upgraded human beings?
James Spencer:
I think it’s interesting, so this is definitely my take on this, Sam. So I think a lot of people might disagree with this, but here’s the way I would think of it. We are frogs that are in a pot and the water is slowly beginning to boil around us. And so we have been integrating transhumanism into our lives for a long time, developing dependencies on technology. Everything from smartphones to wearable technology I think are part of a movement toward transhumanism. And so one of the things that I would recognize as a transhumanist, like a device are the meta AI glasses that RayBan put out. These are glasses that you put on your face and they have different AI capabilities. There’s a smart screen that will scroll text across the lenses for you so you can interact with the world through your glasses, through site. And I think that these, while they’re not permanently embedded, although there are many of those things that people are doing, as you referenced from that article, these are things that are getting us used to seeing the world through a technological perspective.
And so I think those things are really crucial. I would say that I follow the fitness industry an awful lot online. I still enjoy working out the amount of candid discussion from young people about using steroids to enhance their performance in the gym has expanded exponentially. It’s become far more mainstream for even young bodybuilders to get involved with the use of steroids. Steroids is a sort of transhumanist adjacent at the very least substance because you can’t get as big as you’d like to. You have a biological limitation without the steroids. And so I think that what we’re looking at are some of these more commonplace things that we might not identify as radical as, let’s say the Elon Musk sponsored Neuralink that’s putting a chip in people’s brain to allow them to interact with prosthetic arms, things like that. That’s a pretty radical one where we’re embedding it into our brains, but I think that we have these other things.
You could even argue that Ozempic, the weight loss drug is sort of a transhumanist inspired technology where people are deciding, Hey, I don’t need to do any real work. I can just take this drug and it’ll help me overcome this aspect of my biology. So I think we have some that are ranging from rather innocent seeming to far more technologically and futuristically alarming what we might see in a sci-fi movement, but all of them are really contributing to our own tacit adoption of technology in our lives, being more dependent on it and expecting technology to help us transcend our own limitations.
Sam Rohrer:
There you go. Well, let me just give a couple of other examples, ladies and gentlemen. You get the idea. It’s very, very broad. I mean it’s really beyond what you can think. Here’s one, I just saw one just the other day from Kenya government and I’ve got some contacts in Kenya that are trying to get me some additional information, but one of it was this was the news person who said this. Now let me just put it blatantly to you. The program in Kenya targets the birth of new babies. So once you have your baby, before your baby leaves the hospital, you no longer get a paper birth certificate, you get a digital one that is somehow being implanted somewhere on the baby’s body. Think about that. That was the question. And then the government spokesman went on to say by the end of the year, they hope to be able to do that across the board for everyone.
India Times someplace like they have good information they put on there, said, Elon Musk has just put a computer chip in a human brain. That’s what you referred to James and goes on to say, what is the concept of a brain computer interface? BCCI? The technology will allow people to control machines with their thoughts. I’m not going to read it all, but it goes down. It says, these wires or threads monitor your brain activity. They will read your thoughts, pass them onto the chip. Imagine driving a smart car with just your thoughts or playing video games with your mind or accessing all the information on the internet. Just do your brain be that the meta glasses you talked about, James or whatever, the possibilities are endless as this thing says. The point is, is that on every side, James, I agree with you a hundred percent. We’ve been in the process of being conditioned for a long time now it’s actually coming forth or somebody can put their hand out and say, all right, I’ve got it embedded, or they’ve got the glasses on, they’re doing it and these things are happening. This is not any longer a thought of something happening down the road. This is really upon us now, isn’t it?
James Spencer:
Yeah. And there’s been a movement, as far as I know from let’s say 2016, I may be wrong on that date, but there’s been a convention called Grind Fest. And this is a place where a lot of biohackers come in and they have a conversation with one another about the various microchips and magnets and different things that they’re embedding within their bodies as sort of a personal experiment. So you can see people with things embedded in their eyes, chips under their skin, attempts to put antennae and different USB sort of technology under their skin. And so this is probably still fairly, that aspect of it is probably pretty fringe within society. That’s a little bit more extreme than most of us would want to go. But a lot of these things are pretty mainstream for us and they are conditioning us toward being open to anything that will help us to transcend our limitations as humans is something that we should really consider. And I would just argue that unlike medical technology, which is really trying to help people function, what we might say in air quotes, normally overcome certain diseases, that sort of healing ministry of Jesus that we don’t want to get rid of is going to be increasingly confused with transhumanist movements and what we can do with our human bodies even beyond disease.
Sam Rohrer:
Ladies and gentlemen, doesn’t in the book of James say, if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God who will give us to all. Isn’t this an area where we need wisdom? Well, I do anyway. I’m sure you do as well. When we come back, we’re going to try and conclude with the idea of responding biblically to, well, not just the transhumanist movement, but all these other efforts to fuse and merge technology, not just with our brains, but our entire bodies. How do we approach this biblically? We’ll try to give some instruction in the next segment. Well, before we go into our wrap up on the program today, just a couple of pieces of information to pass along. Again, thank you for being a part of the program today. Secondly, we need your prayers. We need your financial support for this program. It is necessary if God has blessing you through it, has blessed you through it.
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Special guest, Dr. James Spencer today. He’s been with me before. He leads two different groups, the DL Moody Center and then the other Useful to God ministry and has a website@usefultogod.com. Alright. Now we always on these programs try to deal with an issue from the standpoint of identifying it, defining it, the kinds of things we’ve done today, but then also concluding with now what do we do about it? James, in a recent article you wrote again, it entitled Image Bearers and the Digital Age Technology, transhumanism and Christian Discipleship referred to that earlier. It’s on your website useful to god.com. You laid out a number of references to what other people, even some identifying as Christian are saying as they attempt to convince people that as one person wrote that you cited Christianity is transhumanism. And in your article you said this, the transhumanist philosophy is incompatible with Christian theology for at least three reasons. Alright, so that being the case, let’s just follow that through. Would you identify these three reasons done, just briefly describe them?
James Spencer:
Yeah, I think first it’s built on the faulty assumption that our human limitations are a problem that need to be solved. We talked a little bit about this earlier, but the way I see it is that our limitations allow us to be dependent on God, and so we are created to be in relationship to God. We often say that, but what we really mean by that, what the Bible talks about with that is that we have a constrained set of capacities and we need God to sustain us, to provide for us. We need to depend on him. And we exhibit that dependence through obedience. And so the transhumanist assumption is that these limitations need to be overcome, that it would be better for us if we overcame our human limitations. I think that’s one of those core faulty assumptions. The second thing is that they often assert that science and technology are these expressions of our being made in God’s image.
We hear this an awful lot too, that because God is creator, we are also creative. And so anything we create is some sort of an expression of the image of God. But as we’ve talked about on this program a little bit, you even mentioned it, the tower babble. The tower of babble is a moment where the unrestrained and unguided human capacity of creative activity is a problem. It denies and distorts who God is. And so we have to at the very least nuance that statement that science and technology are these expressions of our image are being made in God’s image. I would say that arguably the first technology that we see actually appearing in the Bible is the fig leaves that are fashioned into coverings for the human couple after they’ve sinned. And so we can see that technology is actually more of a response to the fall is biblically framed than it is something that happens in the more pristine garden that is supposed to be kept and worked by the human couple.
And the third thing I think really is that the transhumanists tend to flip, the tail tends to wag the dog, let’s say. So the technological tail tends to wag the religious dog. And what I mean by that is that their commitment to technology and progress to the transhumanist type philosophy creates aberrations within biblical and theological positions. So we have one individual, for instance, saying that although God will continue to have image bearers and co-creators, it’s not clear that those image bearers may necessarily have to be biological homo sapiens. He suggests that it’s possible through technology that humans could create other beings with the capacity to bear God’s image. That sort of commitment to the transhumanist philosophy leads them into deep theological error and misunderstanding about what it means in this case to be made in the image of God. And so it’s the inversion of the allowance of transhumanist philosophy to govern biblical and theological reflection as opposed to the other way around. That also makes that transhumanism really problematic as they’re looking to integrate it with Christianity.
Sam Rohrer:
As you’re describing that, James, I’m just following down through that and saying that is a humanistic thinking. It is what many of these guys like even Noah Avari have said, that we can become God. He says that with AI that it will create the Bible, it can write its own Bible that we can count on. He said those words that we’ve progressed beyond the human soul and the transhumanist aspect from his perspective is that we don’t need the human soul because we are, God, his exact quotes. So this is the mentality that’s under girds this, but the idea that as image bearers, which is a biblical term, is connected with co-creators, that becomes quickly heretical like you talked about, because in Romans one isn’t the sin that the creation believes that they are the creator rather than stewards of the creation. So ladies and gentlemen, the scripture gives us the instruction, but we have to know it. Conclude with this in the last couple of minutes, and that is this, share some summary recommendations of how God fearing believers with a biblical worldview should think about and act upon the broader area of the increasingly influential impacts of the Transhuman movement, but AI associated with it. These competing religions really that are coming at us from all sides.
James Spencer:
I think we have to get back to something like the order of our loves. I think it’s crucial that we remember that we are not here to make our lives more comfortable and convenient, and technology tends to promise us that it will make our lives more comfortable and convenient. And so what we need to be doing is we need to be starting at a different point. We need to be asking ourselves, is the decision I’m making right now going to glorify God or is the decision I’m making right now simply designed to make me more comfortable? It’s not that those two can’t happen. We can glorify God and be more comfortable on occasion, but if we turn those around and we say, well, I’d like to be more comfortable and along the way if I happen to glorify God, that’s great. That’s the wrong way to think.
And I think that’s what we’re being tempted to do in every single case of these technologies, technology is seen as a way for humans to progress, to make life easier, to eliminate certain aspects of our toil and labor that come from living in a fallen world. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But the problem is that when we decouple that from a deep loyalty and love for God, a dependence on him, that’s when we start to go off the rails. We’ve got to get back to focusing our attention on being dependent on the Lord and recognizing that all of these other things that promise us a good life are somewhat empty promises without God. And so I would say for Christians today, we’ve got to get back to discipleship. We’ve got to start letting our decisions about technology merge from that discipleship, and we need to learn to live under the authority of Christ even in a digital age.
Sam Rohrer:
There you go. Wonderfully said, ladies and gentlemen, get this program again and go back. You can find it in the transcript, all the things that were said. I would encourage you to do that, Dr. James Spencer, from Useful to God Ministries, useful to god.com. Thanks for being with me again. Such a wonderful topic and great information. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being with me. Look forward to you being here again tomorrow.
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