The Elusive Nature of Peace: Israel and the Middle East
July 16, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Olivier Melnick
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/16/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also our bimonthly focus on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. Now my special guest today is a returning guest, though he is not been with me for some time. His name is Olivier Melnick. He’s an author, he is an evangelist, and he’s a teacher. Olivier also serves as the founder and executive director of Shalom in Messiah Ministries, and I’ll give that website for that here a couple of times in the program. As a young person born into a secular Jewish family in Europe, Olivier met his future wife Ellen. He read a book on prophecy and came to the understanding that Yeshua is the promised Hebrew Messiah. He then moved to America where he and his wife have devoted their lives to leading people to Yeshua, Jesus the Christ, and particularly those of Jewish descent.
Now, the tide I’ve chosen to frame my conversation with Olivier today is this, the elusive nature of peace, Israel and the Middle East. In today’s program, we’re going to discuss the longstanding, I’m going to say yet unobtainable to date effort to achieve peace between Israel and her Arab and Muslim neighbors, and with the recent nomination of Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize by Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and Trump’s self-positioning as the peace President. The pursuit of peace is definitely on the front burner, but with at this point yet no evidence of anything other than war. So we’re going to consider what the world is saying about peace, what the Bible says about peace and the contributing factors that I’m going to say war against peace, including the prophesied in increasing normalization of antisemitism. Now all this and more today here on Stand in the Gap today. And with that I welcome to the program right now, Olivier Melnick, Olivier, thanks for being back with me.
Olivier Melnick:
Well Sam, thank you for having me again. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Happy to be there.
Sam Rohrer:
Yeah, you’re certainly welcome for that. No matter the age, people long for peace, it’s built within our hearts, at least for some. Some are always in rebellion, but most long for peace. Yet there is a reality that recognizes, I think that in our sin cursed world, that war is also inevitable. I wrote a saying in my flyleaf in my Bible years ago, Olivier, when I entered elected office to help remind myself of how I wanted to respond to the circumstances of life. And the saying was this, there is only a piece that is found on the other side of war. If that battle must come, I will fight it. And that I think is what a believer must do at any point. But in reality, I think this personal attitude for a God-fearing person arises from a proverb or King Solomon years ago said in Ecclesiastes three, one in verse eight, he says this to everything there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven, a time to love and a time to hate, and then a time of war and a time of peace. Now, Olivier, from the Hebrew mindset, I want to go inside a little bit there. Everybody’s got their view of peace, but from Hebrew mindset, I think in this verse the word peace is shalom, which is interesting, your ministry shalom in Messiah, what is this concept of peace and how does it relate to the concept of war, a time of war and a time of peace?
Olivier Melnick:
Well, I think that most people when you think of war and peace, they think of it in terms of first degree definition of basically peace being the absence of war. But it might be the reference, Ines might be that level that basically there’s a time for peace and a time for war in a sense that, I mean people have the right to defend themselves. And in Israel certainly has been at many, many wars over the last since the rebirth in 1948. And we could argue that increasingly the world as looked at Israel as basically not having the right to defend themselves because they’re not even in their own land according to the world. That’s a whole other conversation altogether. But in that verse, I think it’s to be taken literally. But what’s interesting to me is that in the Jewish mindset, there is a concept of peace that comes only through the Messiah and that is the piece that I think all people should really speak and even concentrate on is the peace in the heart of man.
And what’s interesting is that in a Jewish concept, in Jewish religious thought, Jewish people who are religious believes that they will two, Messiah coming, Messiah, Ben and Messiah, Ben David, the son of Joseph and the son of David, son of Joseph will be the first Messiah coming to and then Joseph of Egypt, not the Joseph father of Jesus. And so that first Messiah would come and would die for his people, will suffer, be humiliated and die for his people. And the second Messiah in the future would come to conquer as the lion of Judah and be the son of David, Ben, David. And so Jewish, religious Jewish people that there will be a two Messiah, one to die for the people, one to come back and conquer the world. Which is interesting when you think about it, Sam, because that is what you and I believe, except that this is not two Messiah, but two cums of the same person, the Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah.
Sam Rohrer:
See that insight is outside probably eye opening for most people. I don’t think I understood that quite the way you described that, but that goes into this next verse. I want to ask you a quick comment on it. In Psalm 1 19, 1 65, it says this great peace have they who love thy law. And that’s an interesting thing because while most people by definition they think freedom is the absent from war, which you referred to earlier, without God, they may seek it, but they’re never going to find it. Which brings it back to what you were just saying, Jewish thought is that peace comes in Messiah, which is the name of your ministry, Shalom. Peace. Peace in Messiah. That is interesting. So you’re basically saying we’re only about 30 seconds left here. So you’re saying that religious Jews of today are still thinking there is going to be two comings of Messiah yet, is that what you’re saying?
Olivier Melnick:
Yes. The vast majority of religious Jews today I believe of two Messiah, the Son of Joseph and the son of David. Absolutely. Which is to me fascinating because it’s not that far off from what you and I believe we believe in two offices of the same Messiah and yet to come, Yeshua had to come first to bring peace in the heart of men and establish that by his death and resurrection on the cross through his blood shed on the cross for all of us. And then he will come back to establish peace in the world and bring in the kingdom of God.
Sam Rohrer:
So
Olivier Melnick:
That’s a very interesting look at it.
Sam Rohrer:
It is, ladies and gentlemen, I hope that you have that shalom, that peace that comes only through the Messiah. That is the peace that Jesus, the Messiah alone brings the world seeking peace, but they’re never going to find it unless they start there. Now, when you come back, we’re going to delve a little bit more into this elusive peace versus that lasting biblical piece and build out a bit more of what we’ve opened up this program here. Well welcome back to the program if you happen to just be joining us today. Our theme today is just the elusive nature of peace, Israel and the Middle East. And this is our bimonthly focus on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. Today my guest is Olivier Melnick. He is the founder and the executive director of the Shalom in Messiah Ministries and they have a website at shalom peace shalom in messiah.com.
There’s a website there that you’ll find information in regard to. But let’s get into this Olivier, a little bit more about this concept of peace. And the last segment you talked about shalom, about peace, about the Jewish mindset, the religious Jews of the day non-believing, yet not having accepted Yeshua are still looking for two messiahs, one from Egypt you’re saying, and then one who would come in peace and then one who would come as conquering king, which is an interesting thing since we who believe in Yeshua know that that has happened. It’s the same person who comes, not two different people, two different things. It’s very interesting and I think that’s something that probably a lot of our listeners of which were not aware, but that being the case in this matter of peace in the Middle East, since the rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1948, there have been multiple efforts by the neighbors of Israel.
We know, but some listening may not be aware, there have been many wage war and tried to destroy the fledgling nation. I mean that began immediately in the Arab Israeli war in 1949. I mean literally they were pronounced the nation. And then boom, there’s war, the 19 67, 6 day war, and then there’s many other wars that followed continuing up to this very day. And in the same period of time, I have found it interesting that nearly every US president and the United Nations on behalf of other nations have sought to negotiate some level of peace in that piece. In the past has nearly always anyways involved the Palestinians as a proxy I would say to a larger Arab and Muslim effort, war against Israel. And to date there’s been no lasting piece of which we are all aware, only perhaps temporary cessations in fighting. Now that’s a reality and a brief overview.
But Olivier, from your perspective, I know you’re no political commentary, that’s not the space that you’re in, but you cannot talk about Israel nor the Middle East without looking at it through the lens of scripture. So whatever you can share is good. From your perspective, why has there been such an effort, particularly by US presidents, be they Democrat or Republican, frankly, since the rebirth of the nation of Israel to bring about a peace agreement in regard to Israel? I mean it has been something that’s consumed many people over many years. Why do you think that is?
Olivier Melnick:
I’m not sure that anybody can say why with certainty, but what we know is we know from Genesis 12 once we three, that there’s a promise that God made to Abraham and to his descendants that he would be the father of many nations, he would be the father of the Jewish people, land would be given to him. And in verse three, those bless Abraham and his descendants will be blessed and those who curse will be cursed. And from the onset of modern Israel as early as November, 1947 when the vote took place of the United Nations US President, his name escapes me right now, Harry Truman. Harry Truman was the first one to recognize Israel and to want to be involved in a relationship in diplomatic relationship and to support Israel’s right to exist. And every president after that as at least in words on paper P suit, trying to show their support, Israel and finance some bring some supply to Israel and show their support whichever way they can.
And because the Middle East is such a powder peg that really even today more than ever could explode at any moment. And we almost saw that a few weeks ago with this Iran attack, every US president, I think maybe from a human standpoint, maybe a little bit in the flesh, has had the desire to bring peace to the Middle East because what better accomplishment than to bring peace in an area of the world when absolutely no peace exists? It would be the accomplishment of all accomplishments. And I think the reason why they haven’t succeeded, and this is my opinion people can disagree, is because all the presidents prior to Donald Trump where one was the other, they were career politicians and let me expand on that a little bit. They had agendas, they had programs, they did the best they could, but they were limited. But why their government and senate and the Congress and other countries and relationship would allow them to do, but this president and we don’t have to agree with what Trump does 100%.
I mean I voted for him, but I certainly do not agree with everything he says or does. But this president is not a politician, he is a businessman. So there’s good and there’s bad good because nobody can buy him, nobody can force him to do things. And we’ve seen that in the first term and we’ll see even more in the second term in the next few years. But bad I think is because as a businessman it seems especially in the last few weeks that everything that he’s trying to accomplish has to be formatted in the shape of a business deal and that could be too narrow-minded,
Sam Rohrer:
A great observation that you make there because not everything can be negotiated and certainly this matter of peace, particularly when we started in the last segment, you talked about shalom, the actual concept that peace comes through a recognition of the Messiah as Yeshua, as the Messiah, and that’s not really a part of political discussions. So therefore the human effort to try to be the one to say, I finally did what nobody else could do that normal, I would say politician’s dream outside of one who fears God. But you get into all these other things, I think what you did there was pretty good, but let’s go here. Politicians, all of them, particularly those we could see, I mean they love to see themselves on camera and that kind of thing. They would love to be the one to declare peace. But biblically prophetically, we know that at some point coming here, there is a politician who’s going to stand up and he’s going to promise a seven year time of protection for the nation of Israel and Israel’s going to agree with that. So as you read scripture, are we close to that point now when Israel still in the land in unbelief as we know they still have not recognized Yeshua? Do you feel in your spirit and by what you observe to be close to that point when someone will arise and a politician is going to arise and say, Hey, seven year peace treaty and I’m going to help bring it about.
Olivier Melnick:
Yeah, excuse me. I think we are for several reasons you’re referring to the antichrist or anti Messiah that is discussed in some details in Daniel and I think particularly of Daniel 9 24 through 27, but the 70th week of Daniel, the last seven years known as the Great Tribulation or the Tama Jacobs trouble. I think we are close and the reason why I think we’re close is because of actually what’s happening that revolves around Israel right now. I think that we are living in prophetic times and I’m a very conservative believer. I don’t say this lightly. I don’t throw the word prophecy or prophetic at people just so that I can get clicks online. I think we are living in prophetic times because I think right now we are seeing an incredible growth of antisemitism at levels that are matching the 1930s and forties and that are fulfilling Zechariah.
Well three, when we are told that at some point in the future the whole world will go against Israel. And so that’s one. The other prophecy being fulfilled is a return of the Jews in unbelief in preparation for the value of dry bones of the Ezekiel 37. And that’s prophesied in Ezekiel 36. And so those are two prophecies that you can actually take to the bank today. We are living through them right now. They’re happening in front of our eyes and for that to happen right now tells me that I’m pre-millennial, pre tribulational. I believe the next event in our lifetime of consequence will be the rapture of the believers and that has no signs before it can happen. Any time could happen during this podcast. So this event is going to happen and then soon after that nobody knows exactly when, but I foresee pretty soon because the world will be in turmoil in shambles, the Anti-Christ will come and say, I got this. I’ll take care of you guys. I’ve got this. Trust me, let’s work this out. And he’s going to sign a covenant with Israel and very possibly even get the Jews and the Palestinians and the Jews and the Arabs to get along and hold hands and rebuild the third temple. I don’t see this as an impossibility.
Sam Rohrer:
No, I don’t either. Olivier, and we’re out of time. So let’s hold that because ladies and gentlemen, that is the basis peace will come, but that’s not the piece we’re talking about seven year peace treaty. It’s going to be embraced as peace, it’s going to be offered as peace, but it’s not real peace. When we come back, we’re going to begin and move into why there is no peace right now. There is a reason why everybody who wants to see it, it’s not seeing it and it’s going to involve this rising level of antisemitism. Alright? In the end, Olivier, as we went through talking about this matter of peace, it remains elusive. We’ve talked about that. We didn’t get all of the reasons about why it’s elusive other than the fact of people pursuing peace where there is no peace and peace ultimately be found.
Shalom, peace being found in Messiah, which actually happens to be the name of the ministry that you founded, shalom in messiah.com in the website there. But you are focusing a lot of time and effort on discussing this matter of antisemitism. And I want to get into that here in this segment because in the end, lasting peace on this side of the millennial kingdom will not occur until Yeshua himself comes as king of all kings. And if rules the entire world actually from the capital city then which will be Jerusalem right now, Jerusalem is always God’s holy city and that’s what scripture refers to, that it will be the world’s capital city at one point here in the future. But until that time, peace remains elusive. In Matthew 24, 9, Jesus tells his disciples then and us because we’re included in that instruction that Jesus gives there he says is then they shall deliver you up to be afflicted and shall kill you and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
Then just a few verses later in verse 13 of Matthew 24, speaking of the time when the antichrist we just talked about will break that seven year false peace treaty again we just referred to, it says there in that verse, when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, when you see him stand in the holy place, who so readeth let him understand and then let them which be in Judea to flee unto the mountain. So there’s a connection of all of that, but clearly Jesus saying there will be a rise in hatred in persecution and they will kill you. So it’s going to end up in death for many it referring to them. Now let’s go into this. The hatred for Jewish people as God’s chosen people has always existed, but Jesus said here in Matthew and other places that the hatred is going to increase persecution would increase, there would be death, they will kill you. So it’s very clear what Jesus is saying. It’s going to be a very, very tough time. We often refer to this generally as antisemitism and we see that increasing, but what are your thoughts? Now build this up because you actually got a book coming out here. You mentioned to me dealing with this subject coming out in a few months, but what are your thoughts about the apparent increasing normalization of antisemitism and how should Jews and Christians alike be viewing this?
Olivier Melnick:
It’s clear that to connect to the previous segment about Zacharia 12 three, that the whole world is turning against, against Israel and the Jewish people, there’s an increase in antisemitism. You watch any news network nowadays, and there’s not one day on any network when the word antisemitism is not being used. And I think we’ve taken a turn for the worst on October 7th, 2023 after the Hamas invasion in killing a 1200 Israelis out of the Gaza Strip into southern southwestern Israel. I don’t think things will ever be the same. Antisemitism is out of the box. I think you are watching what’s going on within two or three days of the attack. The whole world forgot about the killing and the maiming and the raping and all the terrible things that were done to the Jewish people. And they started focusing on what are the Jews doing going into Gaza killing innocent civilian, which is not true, which is not only that, but then globally we’ve seen a trend of more antisemitism at a time where people should say what happened to Israel was a tragedy, what can we do to help?
And on the opposite happened. All of a sudden people are screaming, mobilize and destroy Israel, kill the IDF. Palestine shall be free on streets all over the world on US campuses. And in my definition of antisemitism, Sam, I’ve always said for at least two decades now, that antisemitism is the irrational and satanic hatred of Israel. And the Jewish people characterized by thoughts, words, and deeds against them. Thoughts will lead to words and words will lead to deeds or actions. And unfortunately when it comes to antisemitism, it never ends with words. And we’ve seen that recently where two Jewish diplomats were killed at a Jewish museum event in Washington DC simply for being Jewish. And by the way, incidentally, they were messianic believers. They were Jews who believed in Jesus so that the man who killed them did not have an issue with them believing in Jesus and losing their Jewish identity, which most of the Jewish people will say, you believe in Jesus, you’re not Jewish anymore. Well, they were Jewish enough to be killed by this guy. Just a little parenthesis here,
But we see this rise of antisemitism. We know it’s going to get worse. We know that during the tribulation, two thirds of the Jewish people are going to die according to Zechariah 13:8-9, nine and 10, sorry, and one third will survive. It will become the Israel of God in Galatians six 16, the one that says, you come the name of the Lord at the end of the tribulation. So that is going to happen. Christians need to be aware of this because Christians have an opportunity today to make a difference. You mentioned earlier in the show, I heard on the show that the thing about if you don’t do anything, you helping, I have said this for years now, decades actually, that a bystander who does nothing only facilitate the work of a perpetrator and too many bystanders where, I don’t want to say active because they didn’t do anything, but there were too many bystanders during World War II, during the Nazi era. And Christians today have an opportunity not to be the new bystanders of the 21st century and to reach out to their Jewish friends, Jewish community and saying, I’m here. I’m a Christian. My house is available if you need a rescue and shelter.
Sam Rohrer:
And that brings me to this next question. I just want to build out a little bit further with you. And that is this, in that passage in Matthew 24, and I’ve talked about a lot on this program from different perspective, different guests because that passage of warning is four hour days. But here’s the question I’m going to like your perspective on it, is that warning there in Matthew 24 that I just read, is it a warning for Jews only or is it also a warning for true Christian believers in Jesus Christ? And it’s interesting that you mentioned the couple in Washington DC Jewish, but they were believers in Jesus. So they were Christian, they were Jewish, they will put it this way. They were Christians to the fullest since Christ came through the Jews. To be Jewish is to be Christian. It’s a little contrary to the way people think about it, but that’s exactly what it is. But do you think that warning is for believers as well as Jews, Jewish because of their birth?
Olivier Melnick:
Actually, I would look at it from a different perspective, that passage in 24, Matthew 24, 9, then they shall deliver you to be afflicted and shall kill you and you shall be hated of all nations. For my name’s sake, I think in the immediate context of that passage, Jesus is talking to Jewish people because he’s talking to an audience that was predominantly Jewish in the first century. There’s no question about it. His disciples were, most of them were Jewish and the authors of the Bible. So I think here he’s talking to Jewish people, Jewish believers, Jewish disciples, but they will be afflicted, they will be killed, they will be hated. Why? Because of his namesake. It will be persecution because they’re following Yeshua. So there’ll be Jews and Gentiles in there. And I think that’s the immediate context here is being persecuted because they are following the teachings of Jesus, of Yeshua.
Now this being said, Jews suffer from antisemitism, but they can suffer from antisemitism as believers like myself or as Jews who don’t believe anything about Jesus. It doesn’t matter. They’re Jewish and Satan wants them destroyed because he knows that at some point at the end of the tribulation, those who survive will say, Barai blessed you comes the name of the Lord. And that is what triggers the second coming. Most Christians never took the time to sit down and think, wait a minute, when the Jews call Jesus, he returns. The second coming is dictated by the Jewish people corporately saying, blessed is you comes the name of the Lord. And if that doesn’t happen, Jesus is not coming back, which is exactly why Satan is created antisemitism and is driving a wedge between the Jews and the Christian community. Because if the Jews can reject Jesus, and if the church can push the Jews away, then there’s no chance that they will call on Yeshua on Jesus and there’s no chance of them coming back. And Satan’s job is secure because he doesn’t like his retirement plan. But that’s not going to happen. The victory is already on our side. We know that Satan is going to lose. In the meantime though, he will pick as many casualties as he can. Unfortunately,
Sam Rohrer:
Very well stated. Olivier Melnick, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. I hope that you’ve enjoyed this different perspective, all this matter of peace, elusive peace, prince of peace, Jesus the Messiah, Shalom, in whom only peace is found elusive that it will not be elusive forever. It will come and it can come to all of us right now who trust in you. Shoot, when going to come back, we’re going to conclude with the Prophetical days. Now that lie just ahead. Okay, Olivier, before we get right into the Prophetical pieces, the steps that lie just ahead of us. Again, I referenced in the last segment in talking about antisemitism, that ongoing hatred for the Jews, for God’s chosen people, believers in Yeshua as well as Jews by birth. He put them together and the devil really hates them. But you’ve got a book coming out. Mention just briefly the name of that book when we can see it and where people can look for it.
Olivier Melnick:
The book title is Antisemitism in the End Times, and the subtitle is How the Rise of the World’s Oldest Hatred Is Paving The Way For Messiah’s Return.
Sam Rohrer:
Right.
Olivier Melnick:
And the book is going to be officially released on the second anniversary of October 7th, 2023, which is October 7th, 2025 in a few months, and it’s going to be released with Harvest House publishers,
Sam Rohrer:
Okay,
Olivier Melnick:
Anti. And right now you can pre-order it on Amazon.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, excellent. All right. I didn’t mean to interrupt you on that. So antisemitism in the end times, ladies and gentlemen, and Olivier, I’m going to get you back close to that point when it comes out so we can emphasize that again. But ladies and gentlemen, since the entirety of scripture, as we talk about on these programs in particular where we talk about Israel in the Middle East and prophecy, the entirety of scripture is all about God’s plan of redemption. We know scripturally established before creation history is all about God, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And it’s not about man, it’s all about his story, as we say, history, his story, the story of Yeshua, the promised Hebrew Messiah. So for these last 6,000 years, human history has unfolded according to who. Well, God’s plan and God’s timing accomplishing God’s will, God’s way, and completely in accordance to God’s Word.
So as the past has been fulfilled to the letters, we talk about so much to the very detail in regard to Yeshua’s first coming. So shall every detail unfold exactly as we’re told in regard to Yeshua’s second coming and God’s promises both to Israel and to the church and the new covenant given at Christ first coming all will be fulfilled because it was all God’s idea from the beginning. The question is, are we on board with his plan and be blessed, or do we oppose him and his plan and be judged? Now, that’s really the bottom line of that. But Olivier, you’ve already gone through a little bit, but I’d like you to do this, share what will happen biblically as you laid out briefly, but also like the insight here, what religious Jews who are concerned about the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, we know that’s going underway right now. There was a practice run a week ago with a red heifer. So these things are, there’s a push that we can see. So for the religious Jews who are pushing for the rebuilding of the temple, pushing for worship on the temple Mount, all of that kind of thing, what are they expecting in regard to the fulfilling of biblical prophecy and their expectation for peace?
Olivier Melnick:
Well, the first thing that you need to, that’s a very good question, Sam. The first thing that you need to understand that the audience needs to understand is that mainstream religious or just mainstream Jewish expectations are not lined up with evangelical end times eschatological expectations because they don’t look at the end times the way we do, simply because they don’t believe we knew Testament is an inspired book. So to them, it doesn’t carry any weight. So when we look at the tribulation temple, which will be rebuilt absolutely for sure, and also desecrated in the middle of the tribulation, which is the time of the abomination desolation, when Rist is asking that everybody would worship him as God, and everything goes really, really bad from that point forward until the return of Messiah. Jewish people don’t look at this like that. They look at the third temple.
If you go to the Temple Institute in the old city of Jerusalem, I take groups there every time we go to Israel and you find out that they have all the implements ready for the temple. As you mentioned, things are underway. And yes, indeed, there was one of the red heifers that was, they did a trial run of the red heifers just a few days ago because that red heifer had been disqualified with more than two white hair on its body. I’ve seen the red heifers about a year ago. I went to see them, and they’re in Shiloh right now. And so they have, I think they most likely have one red heifer ready to be, we can’t use the word sacrifice because it’s just burnt. And then they gather the actions of the red hater to mix it with water, to purify the temple attendance and the priests.
So that’s the only piece that’s missing. Everything else is ready to go. Jewish people believe that that temple is going to be the third temple, the temple of the Messiah, the temple that will bring peace. So they are very loosely right in the sense that they will bring peace, but it will bring the peace that you and I have discussed for most of the show today. The false peace, the false sense of peace that is going to come, that’s going to be replaced by the much destruction. Two thirds of the Jewish people will die during the tribulation, and half the world will die actually until real peace comes from the Prince of Peace, Shalom. And you can read about that title of the Messiah in Isaiah nine, six, and seven about the coming Prince of Peace. So the Jewish people expect that temple to be built.
They call it the third temple. We call it the tribulation temple. And that will bring peace in the world, and that’s the beginning of the reign of Messiah. And that’s the rest of human history according to Jewish understanding. And when I say Jewish understanding, really it’s mostly religious Jews who believe that, and sad religious Jews make about 15% of all Jews of the world. There’s only 15 million Jews in the world. So 15% is about maybe what, 2 million, not even 2 million Jews, something like that. So a small amount of people within the Jewish people believe that’s going to happen. The rest don’t have any idea about Messiah or temple or anything. It’s very sad. But that temple is seen as a real thing by both Jews and Christians, but from two different perspective, with two different outcomes, obviously.
Sam Rohrer:
And that brings us to the end, but you’ve already stated, but here in the last minute, for the true believer, the Messianic Jewish believer, true Christian believers, what are the next steps as we see the Prophetical plan unfold here right before us?
Olivier Melnick:
Well, from what I understand from scripture, the next event is the rapture, the rapture of the saints. And there is an urgency right now because of the convergence of world events like we’ve never seen before. There is an urgency, I think, for believers to really get their affairs in order and really maybe double their efforts in evangelism. How can we share before it’s too late, how can we share with the laws, with our family, with our coworkers, with our neighbors? And that includes sharing with the Jewish people. And we have a lot of resources on our website, and we do a lot with Israel in parts of the world on how to reach Jewish people. So people can connect with us@shalomandmessiah.com, and we can help them connect with their Jewish friends and hopefully lead them to a saving knowledge of Yeshua, the Messiah,
Sam Rohrer:
And what a perfect way to complete the program Olivier at the end. Now, thank you so much for being with us today, ladies and gentlemen. Again, my guest has been Olivier Melnick. He’s the founder and he’s the executive director of a ministry entitled Shalom or Peace Shalom in messiah.com. And you’ll find their information to help in witnessing to our Jewish friends and neighbors as well as others. And certainly, I hope and trust that this program will make us all more acutely aware in our thinking and in our praying and in our living, because the return of Christ is literally at door.
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