Worship While You Work: Discussing Workplace Mentoring with Rod Reasen
July 11, 2025
Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Co-host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Rod Reasen
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/11/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Isaac Crockett:
Have you ever wondered if maybe you’re wasting opportunities to serve the Lord while you’re working? Does it ever feel like maybe your work life is separate from your ministry life, from the things that God has told us to do to make ourselves a living sacrifice unto God? Well, on today’s stand in the Gap today program, we want to look at how God has designed us to work and how we can take advantages redeeming the time even when it comes to work, how we can serve God and others well. Hello, I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett. Joining me today is the Honorable Sam Rohrer, the regular host of this program and the president of the American Pastors Network but also joining us today is a special guest that’s a longtime friend of mine and a first time guest on our program, Rod Reasen, the CEO of Daniel Defense. Rod, thank you so much for taking the time to be on our program with us and could you maybe tell us just a little bit about yourself, your work experience, and even as a Christian businessman where your passions lie when it comes to the biblical worldview and all things business or Christian?
Rod Reasen:
Alright, thanks Isaac and Sam for hosting the program. Excited to be here with you all. I have a very interesting background. I’ve been in the financial services insurance, migrated into healthcare technology software, raised a bunch of venture capital and now am in the manufacturing and firearms or department of defense space. So very storied, very interesting background. And so from a professional side, people that know me know that I love cars, I love to fish and I love to spend time with my family, but excited to just have some questions here. The topic of this whole theology of work or being designed to work is something I’m very passionate about. We teach it within the business and it’s something that I love leading people through the whole very discussion that God made work on purpose and then he gave us all kinds of talents to be able to go do and accomplish his work on his behalf.
Sam Rohrer:
Rod, it’s great again, as Isaac said, to have you on board here with us today. Yeah, everything that you’ve said I would identify strongly. I know with our listeners and obviously with Isaac and I, and even what you talked about there, the matter of work, which I think we’ll get into more a little bit on the program today. We’ve spent a lot of time on this program talking about the forgotten theology of work as most people don’t know that. But let me come back and ask this because your connection as a Christian business owner, you’ve actually adopted a motto which is a part of your business plan. I know it has to be where you say Honor God and defend freedom. Now that’s a good phrase for somebody who is a Second Amendment supporter and somebody who is a God-fearing person. And so on one hand you might say, well, that’s a great marketing line, but in your case, tell me do you believe that and did you put honor God and defend freedom in there as a marketing line or because it really, you’re driven by it from a matter of conviction?
Rod Reasen:
Well, I need to set some context and then I’m going to answer the question, but so I’m not the owner of Daniel Defense and I’ll tie that in here in a second, but I’ve been a serial entrepreneur my entire life. Daniel Defense two years ago was the first W2 that I took from a company I did not own. And that was an entire spiritual journey of how God needed to humble me and put me in a seat that is the second seat working for someone that I had never done. And that’s been an incredible experience just watching God work in my own personal life. One of the things that drew me to Marty Daniel, the founder of the company, was he and I had met as part of a CEO peer group and quickly identified that he was a believer, loved Jesus. And as we got to talk about the business, I was a firearms guy.
I loved to shoot, ran men’s competitions, pistol competitions in my backyard at my own range. So I loved guns, but as I got to know Marty, his a mission statement originally was to have a meaningful financial impact on God’s kingdom, protect the Second Amendment so the gospel can be preached. And when I joined in 2023, he and I sat down and we talked about what’s the future look like? Where do we want to take the company 50 years from now after he and I are gone, what does this look like? And resoundingly, one of the themes that continued to come out was we wanted to be an institution that others could look at and say, foundationally, that is an institution of truth. Well if that’s going to be the case, and going back to Marty’s mission statement, I said, well, we’ve got to put God at the center of this and everything we do.
And we were both agreed upon that. So we ultimately landed on honor God, defend freedom as a way to codify both what the previous mission statement was, but as a stamp in the ground to say this is who we’re going to be in the future and it’s going to lead everything that we do principally as an organization and then into the future. It’s the organization we want to create. There are other named organizations that I’m sure your listeners know that if you say who are the Christian businesses in the world today, there are other names will be mentioned. We aim to continue to help carry that torch for others in the future.
Isaac Crockett:
Well that is great. I love that. There’s just so much there that we could talk about. I want to go real quickly to Sam, because you have a background in business too, Sam, and you did work with a company that has grown that was also run by Christians. And again, we’re not talking about Christian ministries, we’re talking about Christian businessmen and Sam, I’d just love to get a little bit of your input on what Rod was just saying and how you have seen that work out and now decades later you’ve continued to watch some of that work with people that you worked closely with doing very similar things with a very similar motto as Rod.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, Isaac, it is, let’s put it this way. From my experience when I got out of college, I worked for two Christian owned companies that were run as Christians and see that is the distinction what I said there two different things. There are many people who are Christians who have ownership in businesses, no difference than when my 20 years of being in public office of people who are in office as a politician and say they are Christians. The difference is there are many people who say they are or talk about God, but they do not live like it and they do not run their businesses by it. So when hearing you Rod walk through how Marty and you in this setting said, all right, now we have as a believer, we have a conviction and we’re going to have to answer to God for how we do what and steward what God has given us.
Just like a guy in office would say, I’m going to give an account to God for what I’m doing. It is a unique thing as you know Rod, and thank you for going through what you did because I can see the logical biblical perspective of walking through and say, if I am a Christian then this is what I’m going to have to do. And if I trust God, then can I, and how can I implement it in my life, in my decisions and in my business? And praise the Lord for what you just said because it’s a great encouragement to a lot of people I’m sure listening right now, Isaac,
Isaac Crockett:
It is a huge encouragement and before we go into more, we’re going to take this quick time out to hear from some of our partners and we want to come back and look at balancing work with the biblical perspective. For all of you listening, I would encourage you to call somebody, text somebody or send them the link to this program, but also grab a pen and take some notes or use your app to take some notes. We’re going to get some practical insights when we come back. We’ll be right back on staying in the Gap today. Welcome back to our Friday Stand in the Gap Today program. And Sam Rohrer and I are talking with Rod Reasen, he’s the CEO of Daniel defense and Rod has started a lot of different companies and he’s a Christian businessman. But Rod, I loved hearing the background, the story, the testimony of Marty Daniel with Daniel defense and where you’ve gotten and that slogan that we mentioned at the beginning, honor God and Defend Freedom is just, it’s awesome.
I know a lot of people they’ll hear oh CEO of Daniel defense and they think of your guns at top of the line rifles and all of your guns that you make there. I know I love watching your social media feeds and tagging little things. I’m like, oh, that would be a good thing. I should show my wife for a birthday or a Christmas gift. But to hear the testimony of living as children of light in this dark world through even through business, and again, maybe you worry, what am I doing with my life? I’m wasting so much of the day at work and to realize that you’re not wasting it. God created us to work, but how can we do that? How can we find the right balance Rod from a biblical perspective, why is it that work is good when it’s done right? And how can we find a good balance for work in our lives?
Rod Reasen:
Well, Isaac, I love this question. Oftentimes the word work is perceived as this dirty, frustrating, negative thing. And I think that’s what the culture wants us to believe is that work is bad when in fact the first example we have of work is actually of God in creation. And my team, this is a topic I talk about at work all the time, is that work is good, work can be fun, it can be invigorating. And from a spiritual point of view, one of the scriptures that I often go to is Exodus 31, 1 through five, and it’s the point in scripture that I love, it just says that the spirit of God gave the ability, intelligence, knowledge, craftsmanship, artistic design to be able to use gold, silver, bronze, stone and other things for the building of the temple. And the idea that God made me on purpose and then he gave me intelligence and then surrounded me with all of these raw materials to be able to use for work for his name is just amazing. I think from a spiritual point of view, many of your listeners obviously will come from that view and it is awesome from a secular point of view, how invigorating is it to know that we’re made on purpose and work is a good thing that we can find joy in.
Sam Rohrer:
And Rod, all of that is excellent. And there’s two applications of it that maybe we can go further into this segment. One is the individual who is doing the work, but I want to go back to this aspect of those who run a business as you are and as you’re talking about an owner who may be a believer, who understands the biblical purpose for work as a method of, well as a steward before God, the owner of a business who provides work for others must think and answer from his perspective, but those who do work for him, as you’re talking about, you’re having to train people how to think like this because this is not the world’s system. So from an owner or an operator of those who are running business in your case like you’re doing it here, when you hire people, are you hiring people who already have this knowledge of work and understanding of God, which I’m going to say probably not. But then how do you go about and how long have you found it takes for an employee, a person to actually witness on the job what it means to work with the view of God in mind?
Rod Reasen:
Well, the first word that comes to mind is excellence. And I’m going to give four different verses specifically that kind of guide how I think about business at work specifically and then maybe mentorship. But the word excellence is used out in the marketplace all the time. And within our product line we believe that we do make the best firearms in the world because when people purchase one of those firearms, they’re often putting their life in danger. We sell many, many things to special forces and so on. And quality matters, excellence matters. So it’s not just as simple as saying the word, it actually comes out in the product you build. But from a philosophical standpoint, four verses, I’m not going to read the verses, but I’ll give them to you and I’ll just make a couple key points. Matthew 25, 14 through 30 talks about the parable, the talents.
So we see the reward of the master giving back to those that perform well in the secular world. We call that we want to create an accountable culture and rewards-based culture. So that’s woven into how we think about our compensation structure, how we reward, how we promote, how we elevate and so on. First Timothy five, eight talks about fair and exceptional compensation. We have a thesis that says we’re right at the bell curve. So when we look at a marketplace where we hire in, we’re typically right at the bell curve. And right now we’re sitting at around 97% of our employees are right at the bell curve on base compensation and then 60 to 75% with their on target earnings with bonuses. So we want to attract the best people, hire the best people, and we’re going to pay them the best we possibly can.
Proverbs 22:29 says, do you see a man skillful in his work? He will stand before kings, not just obscure men. Great verse to weave into the whole practice of I see it all the time tomorrow we’re going to be doing our all hands meeting and we will elevate people that are doing exceptional things in the business. And then the last one is for me that I carry Luke 12:48 to whom much is given, much is required. So my leaders know that I require more of them because they’re a leader in the business. And the higher you go up in an organization, the more is required of you. You lose your rights, the more responsibility you gain.
Isaac Crockett:
This is excellent Rod. I hope those of you listening are taking note or go back on our app, our Stand in the Gap app or our website and get the transcript of this because this is powerful and this is great for churches, for pastors and ministries, but in business as well. And I so appreciate you pointing. That’s where this biblical worldview makes such a difference. When we work the way God wants us to, it works. Right. So what would you say, maybe somebody is involved in a business, maybe they have ownership, maybe they’re just a worker. But what are some steps that you would recommend that Christians can take today to encourage a workplace that honors God while still being a good business, a profitable business?
Rod Reasen:
When I was interviewing one of my recent executives within the last two years, he asked me a similar question. He says, rod, obviously you’re a believer here, but how do we lead the business this way? And I mentioned him by name and I said the number one principle, and this is throughout leadership books, is I call it the airline mask or airline oxygen mask leadership principle. The only way that you can lead biblically is if you have a solid walk with Christ. And I get teary even talking about it because it’s so real and honest. My team has gotten to know me so well that they know when I’m in my devotions when I miss a few days. So the leading by example is the term that’s often used, but when your team knows you so well that they’re like, Hey Rod, you’re approaching this from a prideful lens, not from a humble perspective. When was the last time you’re in your devotions? That’s a different level of leadership that I require my guys is to hold me accountable to God’s word. And I’ll pause there for a second and we’ve got more there, but I’ll just pause.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, rod, I think back to a time when I was in college and I was studying Christian missions and one of my good friends was a business guy and he was the student body president and I was involved with that and I remember one time he didn’t show up and I went to find him and he was on his knees and just tears pouring out of his eyes as he was pouring his heart out to God. And I remember just being so impressed that somebody actually, I know Sam knows the same young man, somebody who I’ve stayed in contact with my whole life and he’s in business, but he’s in the business of serving God first. I know we have a break coming up and we just have a few moments here, rod, but any maybe examples or bits of encouragement you could fit in before we go into this break?
Rod Reasen:
Yeah, I’ll be real quick. Proverbs 11 talks about the integrity upright guides them, but the crookedness of the treacherous destroys them. You have to the depth of your own personal knowledge of God’s word and the work in the Holy Spirit in you will be exhibited to the people that you lead. And it’s a humbling statement and an immense amount of pressure, but in a good way to cause you to go to your knees to be in front of God’s word so that you can lead appropriately the whole making the purpose clear. One thing I know and many of your listeners would probably say, when you’re in your devotions on a regular basis through your natural knowledge of God’s word on a regular basis, you will be able to in conversation, show people truth, not my truth, but God’s truth. So being on purpose, the whole honoring people piece.
This is kind of like the third thing that I have on here is we just had a 17 year employee retire and we honored them for the work that they had done standing on their shoulders. There are opportunities all the time to find problems within a business, but if you take a chance just to find the good in others and to honor them, it goes in immense. It goes a long, long way. And then lastly, just like this, pursuing excellence, we serve a God of order. And when we work for excellence because we work for him, it’s seen in the marketplace.
Isaac Crockett:
Rod, those are fantastic. These are very powerful, very practical, super helpful. This is what mentoring and building a God honoring workplace looks like. It starts with you, it starts with your relationship with God and God using you. We’re going to be right back talking about this more and looking at how we can worship. Well, welcome back. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett, if you’re just joining us, my co-host today is the regular host of this program, Sam Rohrer, the president of the American Pastors Network. And we’ve been having a great conversation with Rod Reasen. He’s the CEO of Daniel defense, and we’ve been looking at using our work as an opportunity to serve the Lord and to serve others. And as Rod was showing us so many different biblical principles, and it’s just incredible how this biblical worldview we talk about it permeates everything including working and business and investing in every part of our life.
There’s not one part of our life that our devotional life or our spiritual life isn’t involved with it. And so I’m really enjoying this. Sam, before we go back to Rod, I know that you’ve been talking, as you often mentioned, it’s the often forgotten theology of work and you’ve been talking with some of our guests about this, especially Renton Rathbun. Dr. Rathbun has been on our program a lot. Could you maybe just mention a little bit of what we’ve done on radio and what we have coming up soon in TV in regards to this topic?
Sam Rohrer:
Yeah, absolutely Isaac. And again, ladies and gentlemen, if you’re joining us perhaps for the first time, this discussion here with our special guest rod reason is to take a biblical issue, an issue that’s before us in a more of a headline news perspective and bring to it biblical principles. This matter of work is one of them. And yes, Isaac, Dr. Renton, Rathbun and I, we decided to pursue this area and I called it the forgotten Theology of work because just as you said Rod earlier, you were going right down through and almost picking up the outline that we followed. And the great thing about that is that biblical principles speak to every issue of life. It speaks to every aspect of you’re in government, how you’re supposed to run government, if you’re going to vote on something, how you’re supposed to vote. If you’re in business, how are you supposed to run your business if you’re an employee, how you’re supposed to go about doing your work and honoring your employer and saving money and investing everything about that.
And Isaac, that is the great thing. Work is at the heart of it and when it is done. And so we did a program that actually took in, laid out the fundamental aspects of the theology of work because theology by its definition has it’s a view of God and knowing that God designed work, work predated the fall. So it’s involved in purpose, it has a reason for doing it. And therein when work is viewed in that fashion, Isaac, as we’ve made clear on our radio programs, which can be found on our website standard in the gap radio.com and search for the forgotten theology of work, you’ll find that. And then tv, Isaac, you and I just did two TV programs which will be airing soon on the same theme. You can go right to God’s word, you can find out what God thinks about work. You can talk about how it exactly happened, how it’s supposed to happen. And when we do it right, it actually becomes worship. And when we tie together what we do as a reflection of who God is, it changes everything. And so I’ll just stop right there. But it’s wonderful the deeper you go into these kinds of things like work, it brings us right to the person and the character and nature of God and therein we’ve done exactly what we should do and then life begins to have reason and meaning.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, rod, you’ve talked about so much and as we’re talking on this program, I’m realizing we need to have you back for a whole lot of almost every one of these points we can make a whole program out of. But could you go back to a big overview of looking at work and our biblical worldview of work? Is there maybe a Bible verse or a principle, and I know you’ve already shared the idea of excellence and looked at, we lead by starting with ourselves and our own relationship, how we walk with Christ. Is there something more you could add to that even of our biblical worldview that shapes our view that we are called to work?
Rod Reasen:
Yeah, I think Proverbs 2131 is a verse that I mention a lot to our team. It just says the horse is made ready for the day of battle, but the victory belongs to the Lord or context. I think sometimes as Christians you might see this, well, it’s up to God, he’s suffering. I’ll just wait on him. And that’s not the principle of this verse at all. In fact, I mean the whole idea even back to Adam and Eve is that he gave Adam and Eve instructions to go name the animals, to tend to the garden, to take dominion over. And so as a human being, God’s given me talents to be used on purpose. So make the horse ready for battle is that peace, but the victory ultimately belongs to the Lord. So praying, being discerning, we use the word prudence an awful lot in our leadership team.
We’re about ready to make a big decision on shift schedules, which is just amazing and scary. We’re potentially going to announce it tomorrow and it is a lot of prayer has gone into this that’s making the horse ready for battle. Ultimately, when we go about making a decision, we have to trust that we’re leading through the biblical principles that we know, but ultimately God gets the result of the war, and I’ll say this one particular thing on air, we’re going to close on Sundays and for a manufacturing facility to make a decision to take out an entire 24 hour period from a private equity venture, most business logic would say, how are you going to do it? And in fact, it’s going to end up costing us a little bit more money and we’re going to lose 751 hours of time that we can’t humanly equate for. So the term I keep using my team is God math. But the Bible is clear that when we honor God, we make the decisions that honor him and we obey, he will bless. So we’re in the early stage at anal defense of making this decision, but we are trusting the Lord to do things for us that we can’t answer. Proverbs 2131,
Sam Rohrer:
What you’re saying there is absolutely wonderful, and I’m going to say upfront God will bless your efforts. I worked for a company that was Christian owned and it never ran on Sunday. And matter of fact, that company, our biggest marketing presentations of the year were held over the weekend, which always included the beginning day of Sunday and our showroom was always closed and it was an incredible thing. But God blessed and healed, bless youth. I am so excited for what you’re saying, but that being the case, you are trying to implement biblical principles. You have workers of different ages, some are older, some are younger. When Dr. Rent Rathbun, and we covered this, we designate, we said that there are probably was, but there are differences how younger generation versus the older generation views work. Are you seeing that differential and how are you dealing with it?
Rod Reasen:
You sent me this question. I thought a lot about this question specifically, and I took it back just to my own experience back when I was in my twenties and I sorely desired to have men around me that were 20, 30 years older than me that I could look at and say there’s men that I want to be like looking at their lives, looking at their testimony. And I ended up hanging out with a bunch of them, went fishing with them in Canada for 13 years. And what I came to find out after 24 hours with these men was that they’re older, but they’re just like me. And what I have found just in my own leadership in a business is certainly there are demographic differences. The younger generation has technology that they will use faster than the older generation. But when you get deep down into it, everybody wants to come in to the parking lot, drive into the building, get into their spot, and they want to do good work. So if you can inspire them, if you can encourage them in finding what their own purpose is, I honestly don’t find a lot of generational differences when it comes to our place.
Isaac Crockett:
I love that Rod. I know as a young man too, growing up, there were people in my church and in my community that were much older than me, my dad’s age or older that mentored me because they had experiences and because we had the same love for God, I tried to do the same thing. And even with my children, it’s funny when they want to invite somebody over for a birthday party or this or that, it’s usually adults who are much older than they are, but people that they’ve come to know and to respect through working with them or doing things. Same thing at church. We oftentimes will just age segregate everything and that’s not always a healthy way of doing it. I love that answer. I know again, we’re pushing close to the break, but you were talking about excellence and work as excellence. Is there any comment you could slip in before we get to the break about that rod?
Rod Reasen:
Yeah, just the two verses that are often used. One Corinthians 10 31, just in everything that we do, give glory to God. I mean just everything that word of excellence means I’m doing it not for me. I’m doing it for the glory of God. And on the back of that is Proverb 27 2. And this is really often the hard part. We strive for excellence, but then we want the pat on the back and Proverbs 27, 2 says, let other men praise you and not your own mouth. And that is the hard part. We love getting the trophies, we love getting put on a pedestal, but that’s not a biblical principle. In fact, it’s just the opposite.
Isaac Crockett:
That is excellent Rod. And for those of you listening, whether you’re in the middle of work or you’re a young person who’s just getting started in a career or you’re finishing your career or maybe you’re retired, that doesn’t mean that your work is over. These subjects here, this idea of excellence for the Lord and doing it humbly as unto him and mentoring others and showing others by our spirit and by our words and by our actions, that goes for everyone across the board. Maybe you work at home as a mother that is raising her children and keeping the home that is work and what you’re doing is worthy of excellence and worthy of worship to God and what we do. Maybe you’re retired wherever you are, wherever you’re at, these principles that Rod is talking about, these apply to all of us. And before we close with advice for more mentoring and a vision for the future, we’re going to take a quick break.
During this break, I would encourage you to think about your workplace, about where you maybe work for pay or work at home and just pray. Pray for the Lord to use you wherever you work Today, we’re going to take a quick time out to hear from some more of our partners. We’ll be right back to finish up. Stand in the gap today. Welcome back to Stand in the Gap Today, I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett. My co-host today is the Honorable Sam Rohr, the regular host of this program. And our guest today that’s just led us in a fascinating conversation is Rod reason. I know at the beginning of the program I said grab a pen and paper while I have a pen and paper sitting right here as we’re going through this. And I’ve got several pages now full of notes. Rod, thank you so much for that.
And it’s also interesting you were talking about this mentoring of others and hanging out with people that can help mentor you and this, it goes both ways. It comes in finding people who can mentor us and finding people whom we can be involved in mentoring. And even you mentioned going fishing with some of these men. That seems to be a common thread. I know, Sam, you do the same thing with your sons and son-in-law and other people. I had people do that with me. Go on a camping trip, a fishing camping trip, and you will really get to know others. I do a lot of fishing with my kids and with other people, people from church and things. There’s something about that connection there. But Rod, you have given us really a wealth of information here today that has come from your own personal experiences and from the word of God. And we appreciate that much of what you’re talking about as a business leader applies for every leader, whether you’re just leading your home, leading your kids, leading a church, I think of you pastors that are listening. So much of this applies to our ministries, to our churches. I’m just wondering what parting advice Rod would you give to pastors and to leaders, but to anybody, no matter what their workplace looks like, using that workplace as a platform for mentoring others?
Rod Reasen:
So I use this term stay on mission, started a group text several weeks ago with that ending and I just take something from scripture that I’m learning in my devotions and I’d send out a group text and there’s like 35 people on it. Now I have to do two group texts because Apple doesn’t let you send more than 20 people. But the verse that why that mission sometimes in life, we get so caught up in the busyness that we forget that Matthew 28 18 through 20 was a clear edict for all believers, go and make disciples. And that’s not a missionary cry. That is for all of us. I mean, Jesus was parting words, the greatest leader that ever walked this planet. We know him by first name. He led 12. He kept a small group of men around him and those men changed the world.
So that’s what, in a small, small way, that is what I’m trying to do with my guys around me and what I encourage them to go do with the guys, men and women around them is to go make disciples. You have to start with yourself. You have to have a life that is pouring into God’s word. And when you do, it is amazing how people want to hear the truth and it’s not you. That’s the coolest thing. And they want to see the truth of God’s word. And fun is not even deep enough to understand when you see it in the lights of people’s eyes, when they can see truth for their first time or they can dig into God’s word. It’s just absolutely amazing
Sam Rohrer:
What questions here for you. But this one I’d like that you gave one there to Isaac’s question. You said stay on mission Now, is there another one that you want to lay down or do you just want to just stay on mission?
Rod Reasen:
Well, I’ll tell you maybe for another time, I’m developing, I’ve developed 13 of my own leadership principles. It was just up at Cedarville talking to Dr. White. There he is in the process of building out a leadership class at Cedarville. And you guys are talking about the theology of work. I’m driving up to Greenville, South Carolina and meeting with another man. This idea of leadership is not an old or a new concept by any means, but having more men come to the table and men and women that will rightly divide God’s word and use the platforms that they have in the workplace to be able to lead others, interview any business across the world. And they will tell you one of the biggest gaps that they have in their organization and in churches is leadership. So it’s a topic that I’m studying. I’m not prepared today to give those out, but I’ll say I’m a sponge for finding good principles to be able to apply to my own life and to the people at our company.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, speaking of your company, you mentioned some of the things that Marty, Daniel, and the whole team there have done and this idea of really trying to honor God first and foremost. And even what you’re announcing with trying to change the work schedules and think this is incredible. What do you hope that there at Daniel Defense where God has you, what do you hope that that company can be as an example to other companies, Christians and anybody that comes into work with them? What are you hoping for there?
Rod Reasen:
We use the term institution of truth or a beacon of truth. The Bible is the most inclusive book. It gives us examples of love, grace, character growth, unity, and even grit. And I think in the workplace, those are all words that as an organization we hope to be able to show grace to people that are going through hard times, to be able to grow them, develop them in their own personal development, show them that they were, they’re gifted. There’s not a single person in our building that doesn’t have gifts that God has given them. And to show them how they can be used in a meaningful way. We want to be a place that people knock down the door to want to come work for because we love and care for people. And I guess as an example, we want others to see what we’re doing and say, Hey, here’s some ideas of how you might do it better. We’re by no means trying to say we know how to do everything the best way. We’re learning from others too, but we also want to lead.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, I love that. And I think that you guys are very much leading in so many ways there at Daniel Defense. And Sam, I want to go to you in closing to get final thoughts. I know I’ve worn a lot of different hats over the years, working for a lot of different people, doing some work as an entrepreneur myself and pastoring and being involved in different things. And what Rod is saying is really striking a chord with me. But Sam, I know that you, with your background in politics and background in workforce, that you’re probably sitting on the edge of your seat right now. We’re not in the same room, but I can imagine you’re on the edge of your seat kind of cheering as Rod is speaking here. So I want to give you a chance to wrap any things up with any final statements from you. And if there’s time to close our program in prayer,
Sam Rohrer:
Isaac, I could. And I am literally, I’m on the edge of my seat. That’s just the way I’m sitting here. But I just want to thank you, Rod, for expressing, expressing in a very, very clear and articulate perspective, the application of biblical principles to this area of business, work, employment around which well, everybody’s involved. And wouldn’t it be, all I can say is Rod, wouldn’t it be something if when we were talking about economic conditions in this country, I came out of the legislative. I’m thinking about that. But the way we spend money, the way we structure from a governmental perspective, all of those things that govern how we work and how who gets into it, all that kind of thing. If it were to model biblical principles, we would, in fact, I’m going to say ladies and gentlemen, we would in fact become great again.
But biblical principles are where it starts. And so Rod, thank you for making that so very, very, very clear today. And with that, I’ll disclose in prayer. Dear heavenly Father, Lord, thank you that you’ve given us your word. It’s all truth, either as authoritative and it speaks to every issue of life. So whether we speak about marriage or government or business or church or work as we’re talking today, Lord, you speak to that. And when we do and commit to doing your will, your way according to your word, Lord, we know exactly what the result will be and that is your blessing. And for that we desire that we commit all of these things to you now in Jesus’ name, amen.
Isaac Crockett:
Amen. Amen. Thank you for that. Sam. Rod, thank you so much. It’s been such a pleasure talking with Rod Reasen from Daniel defense. Again, you may know them for their high quality firearms, but this biblical background and testimony and mentoring that’s going on, this has been exciting. Thank you for being on our program. I hope that all of you will pray for Rod and for his company there. And please pray for us here at the American Pastors Network. We appreciate your prayers. We appreciate you listening to us and even sharing this program with others who maybe weren’t listening today. And until next time, please, I hope that you’ll make a decision to stand in the gap for truth wherever you are.
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