Planting Deep Roots:
Phil Hunt Discusses Indigenous Church Growth
October 24, 2025
Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Guest: Phil Hunt
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 10/24/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, hello, I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and joining me today is a first time guest to our program. He is a missionary, a pastor, a church planter, a professor, university dean, chancellor, just all kinds of roles, a husband, a father, a grandfather. I’m very excited to introduce a friend to our program, Philip Hunt. Phil, thanks so much for being on our program with us today.
Philip Hunt:
Thank you, Isaac. Happy to be here today. Thank you.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, Phil, you are very involved in Zambia and throughout Central Africa you work with indigenous church leadership and you work in training. You’re the vice chancellor of Central Africa Seminary and a lot of other groups that we’ll talk about today. But I just want to start at the beginning since this is your first time on the program and just kind of to open it up, you grew up in the United States. How did you end up with this heart for Africa and end up over there in Zambia and other places? Where did this journey start and maybe how long ago?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, I thank God for the Christian heritage that I have. I was born into a Christian home, heard the gospel from the time I could remember, and my dad was a church planter actually in a little village in Maine, village of Brooks, Maine when I was born. And so I came to Christ early in my childhood and the things of the Lord was always in front of me. And as I grew up, one of the things I think that was very impactful for me was the church that we were in would have an annual missions conference, so we were interacting with missionaries and then my mom was really good about buying age appropriate missionary biographies. So I read all of these amazing biographies and stories. And so I just think the Lord used all of those things to open my mind as a young man even before I was a teenager. And then as a teenager, the Lord really began to work in my heart for consecration just to serve him. He gave me a heart to serve him. I wanted to serve the Lord. And somewhere along there in my early teen years, I really desired to be a missionary.
The one thing looking back that I really struggled with was not a call to the mission field or into missions, but I just didn’t want to preach. I wanted to go to the mission field and to assist, but I didn’t want to preach. So when I was 16, that was a real period of consecration for me. I remember just being an agony internally and finally telling the Lord basically everything about me. I don’t want to preach, stand in front of people, but here’s my life. You do whatever you want. And if you call me to stand in front of people and proclaim the word, you’re going to have to change the desires of my heart.
So for the time I was 16, my focus really was missions and God and his providence took me through college. And then I got my pilot’s license because I still was planning to go to the field and help. So I got my private pilot’s license, but then the Lord just he does, he gives us his desires. And God was doing a work in me and through the church that I was in at that time. And then meeting veteran missionary in Africa, the Lord providentially burdened my heart to go to the country of Zaire, which is now the Democratic Republic of Congo actually. And so Lori and I met, we were married in 89 and then went on Deputation, hit the Deputation Trail, and about six months of full-time Deputation, we’d raised the support that was required to go to Zaire. But in late 91, we were unable to get there. The country was closed, the airport was closed, Western personnel had been evacuated. So we spun our wheels through the end of 1991. And then in 92, the Lord Providentially opened an opportunity for us to go to Mombasa, Kenya with some other missionaries that was with the little mission board that we were with at the time. And there we met a couple, an older couple, Neil and Jeannie Whitlam, and they really became mentors to us.
And to get into Zambia was basically, it didn’t look like, it didn’t look like things were going to open up in Zaire anytime soon. And so I began praying and I remember one day walking to the map and saying, well, where can I go if I can’t go to Zaire? Where’s the closest place I can go? And I saw this little country called Zambia just to the south of what was Zaire at the time. And so we spoke with the Whitlams, and in 1993 they accompanied us to Zambia from Mombasa on a survey trip in the early part of the year. And in May of 93, our two families formed a team and moved to Kike Zambia. And yeah, here we are 33 years later.
Isaac Crockett:
Wow. 33 years summed up. Isn’t that incredible how the Lord leads when we are not expecting it? We don’t have a lot of time and we’re going to get into more of this as we go, but in about a minute, could you maybe kind of go through some of the different ministries that God has led you into in the last 33 years?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, sure. Sure. Began with church planting Faith Baptist Church of Riverside. That church planted a number of other churches. Faith Children’s Village Orphanage opened in 2004 Central Africa Baptist University in 2006. And since then, faith Radio Station. So we have an FM radio station. A year and a half ago we opened in Beah publishers to provide resources to the African church. And then this coming January, we’ll open Central Africa Seminary. So yeah, the Lord has really worked in many ways through these years.
Isaac Crockett:
For those of you listening, I know we have a lot of parents and grandparents and Pastor Phil Punt is a parent, seven children, grandparent of four. And you may be wondering what the Lord is doing with your children or grandchildren. It’s never too early and it’s never too late to follow the Lord. And you may be able to help develop a desire in a young person’s heart to do something like this. And maybe you’re a young person listening right now and you have a desire to serve the Lord and you’re not sure where. And I think that hearing this testimony today will be very helpful for you, but we want to come back and we want to pick Phil’s brain a little bit more about indigenous church leadership. What is that? What does that look like? What is this kind of missions and how does that apply to us even here in the United States of America?
A lot of interesting things coming up and a lot of good questions when we come back on Stand in the Gap today. Well welcome back to our Friday program of Stand in the Gap Today. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and our guest today is a first time guest, a missionary pastor Philip Hunt. Phil Hunt is the vice chancellor of Central Africa Baptist University and also the upcoming Central Africa Seminary as well as church planter and a whole lot of other things that God has done in the last 33 years. And Phil was telling us and introducing himself how he got to Africa, just some of the interesting ways that the Lord laid certain burdens on his heart and grew him and stretched him. And now looking back over the decades, it’s amazing to see what God has done and what he is doing. Phil, before I go into peppering you with more questions, do you have a website or any information that you would like to give somebody listening today where they could find out more about your ministry or some of the ministries you’ve mentioned?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, there’s a blog, Zambia hunt.com, and also the university website is CAB ha university.com. And there’s some great information on both of those sites.
Isaac Crockett:
If you’re interested in Phil’s story, I think you would love the Zambia hunt.com and reading his different articles and things that he puts on there and looking at Central Africa Baptist University at their website, I think it’s really exciting to see what God has done and grown in this time using Phil and his wife and their team and their desire to serve the Lord. So let’s go through some of this. Phil, what was the process that you went through? You went from being a church planter, you got called to Africa, you go over there, you have a team and you go church planting and now you’re training indigenous pastors. What led to that? What was the process? What did that look like for you?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, I actually think the training of pastors is just the natural outcome of church planting and a healthy reproducing churches, which is really the goal, ultimately the goal of missions. We talk a lot about missions being indigenous, and by that often we speak about the force self, self-governing, self propagating, self-sustaining, self-governing a ministry that’s of the people by the people for the people that we are serving. And so as we were ministering in the first church plant, faith Baptist Church of Riverside ended up pastoring there for 14 years before transitioning leadership. And as we were kind of moving along, we realized we need to take these men who’ve been converted and are evidencing gifts and callings to a deeper level. So first we started a little Bible institute in the evening, but over time it became really evident that if we were going to see a truly indigenous, healthy reproducing church model, we needed to be able to train the leader of leaders in and for the church in Africa and to the kind of training or the level of training that they would get if they went to Europe or if they went west to the United States, that level of theological training.
And so it was kind of a process to come to the conclusion that somebody needs to start a bible college with the focus in our area with the focus of training those kinds of church leaders, leaders that are going to love the church, love the scriptures, a high view of God, not a man-centered gospel, and be trained to take the gospel to the next village, town and city. So that’s kind of how it came about. And we praised God that in 2006 we were able to open then it was Central Africa Baptist College. We had about seven students our first semester. But yeah, that was the process. It wasn’t something that I went to Africa thinking we would do, but it was the natural outcome of church growth and healthy churches.
Isaac Crockett:
And that is so interesting as you follow the word of God and say, well, what does the Bible say to do? Not what were my plans or what was I wanting to do that you realized how important that was. This central Africa Baptist University has played such an integral part for now almost 20 years now. How has that grown and how has that helped you accomplish that goal then of training the indigenous leaders?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, CABC. Now, CABC was really formed around the purpose of training the next generation of servant leaders in Africa for great commissioned living. And I mentioned we started in 2006, February, 2006 with seven students. This year we have about 230 students on our campus, and about 10 years ago or so, we recognized that there were many men across the continent who are already fostering, and I’ll use the term evangelical. In other words, we might disagree on other aspects of theology, but they do have a heart for the true gospel. And the stats in our area is that nine out of 10 evangelical pastors who are currently pastoring a church have never received any type of formal theological training. And so we started a program out of the university that we called Theological Studies by Extension or TSE, and the Lord is just blessed in that effort.
This year we have about just over 1,990 students in seven different countries, and they’ll come together for week long classes. And we have 35 locations right now in seven countries. In fact, there’s several faculties in Mumba Kenya this week doing a class. And then the Lord opened up for us to train chaplains. And so we have the degree in Bible with an emphasis and chaplaincy. We are training most of the evangelical chaplains for the Defense forces in Zambia. We have the only sign language and deaf studies program of any accredited university in the country. And also about 10 years into this, we opened a school of education where we’re training primary school teachers as disciple makers for the primary school classroom. So yeah, we’ve just seen God’s blessing and growth through these years.
Isaac Crockett:
I know I have more questions than we have time to get into all of the answers to them. So what are you seeing then? You’re empowering African leaders in the church, you’re empowering the African church. What do you see when you compare being able to grow these guys who some of them are already pastoring, they need the training or they’re getting ready to go into training, comparing that versus maybe having a foreign missionary come in and trying to start a church. And you’ve been on both sides of this as you compare those. What are some of the advantages to what you see now with what you’re able to do in training these national leaders?
Philip Hunt:
Well, I don’t think it’s an either or. I think that it is a both end. I mean, we have the mission mandate, and so we as a local church, wherever we’re located ought to be raising up missionaries and sending them to the least reach peoples. But if we’re going to reach the continent of Africa, there are not enough people from other countries to be sent to pull off that task. And so I was reminded Romans chapter 15, when Paul is speaking to these former pagans who have been converted, and he says to them in verse 14 that he’s satisfied. He’s convinced that you yourselves are full of goodness filled with knowledge, able to instruct others. And so the raising up of and the training of leaders has a multiplication effect. As healthy African churches are sending their own trained leaders to plant other churches, what you end up with is churches that plant churches that plant other churches. And we praise God in Zambia, we’re seeing third and now fourth generation church plants because God’s people have understood what the scripture requires and have been equipped to serve.
Isaac Crockett:
Wow. When you say third and fourth generation church plants, that is exciting. I know we are about to go to a break, but you’ve seen a lot of changes in the three, almost four decades that you’ve been in Africa. Any changes that really pop out, I mean the gospel is really growing, but we have about 45 seconds here. Any major changes that you’ve seen that are happening there that you’d like to share?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, there’s a growing number of biblical healthy churches in Zambia and across Africa led by spirit-filled equipped pastors. And then on the other side, the health and prosperity gospel has overtaken the Pentecostal movement, but also other mainline denominations. And so there’s a cause for that’s encouraging and another aspect that’s very concerning.
Isaac Crockett:
That’s interesting because everywhere that I talk to pastors and church leaders and missionaries where there is growth and we’re seeing in some of the things I’m reading, Christianity is growing faster in Africa than any other continent, but wherever there’s an increase in that growth, there’s also you have to be aware of halts coming in. But even especially this idea of prosperity gospel that can take something that sounds kind of good and biblical and really twist it change things and it’s so easy to be led astray. And we have that going on here in our own country, not just on television but in other places as well in our churches, a lot to talk about. We’re going to take another quick time out to hear from some of our partners when we come back. I want to talk with missionary Pastor Philip Hunt about more of what’s going on with the indigenous church planting and also to look at the American church of today as we look at planting these deep roots, seeing what God has done in over 30 years of ministry in his life.
What is God doing here in your life and in our country today? We’ll be right back on Stand in the gap today. Well welcome back to the program. If you’re just now joining in, I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and we are talking with a friend and a first time guest on this program, a missionary, a pastor, church planter, a disciple maker, Philip Hunt of Central Africa Baptist University in Central Africa Seminary. And we’re talking about what’s been going on in central Africa and about the ministry as he’s looking back on his ministry for over 33 years working in that part of Africa in Zambia and other countries around there. And we’re looking at how God has been using national leaders, indigenous folks to reach their own people. And Phil, you’re a father of seven and a grandfather. And if we look at the churches that you’ve been involved with the church planting and they’ve become church planting churches, you have churches there that are grandparents and even great grandparents, three or four generations of churches planting other churches right there.
And instead of just saying, oh, how can we sit here and get bigger saying, how can we reach out and plant another church? And as we’ve talked about this, Philip was saying that this is just biblical. As he got involved in missions, he realized this is what I’m here to do, is to get these leaders trained and what a need there is and what a neat goal and what an exciting process to see these churches growing and being fruitful in this sort of way. Phil, before I go back to you, I want to remind everybody if you’d like to read more about Phil Hunt and his family and the work, Zambia hunt.com is where you can find a lot of neat articles and information about phil Zambia hunt.com. And then you could look up Central Africa Baptist University. That’s the university we keep talking about. But before I go into diving into more questions, Phil, and asking your opinion and thoughts on some really neat things going on, not only in the continent of Africa but in the Americas, especially in North America, could you maybe share an example or maybe two examples, I don’t know how much time we have, but of an African LED church that is doing well and how this indigenous approach, just when it works, what it looks like?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah. Oh, there’s a number of them, but Faith Baptist Church, I mentioned Faith Baptist Church of Riverside is led by Pastor Mwanza. They’ve got four other pastors as well. This was the first church that I was privileged to be a part of as the church planting missionary and transitioned leadership. And eventually Choco became the pastor there. I just saw an update on Facebook this morning about their latest church plant, Baptist church up in the northern part of Zambia, a church plant that they did back in 2022. But one of the churches that was planted out of Faith Baptist Church of Riverside a number of years ago, about 20 plus years ago, is out in the village of Coca-Cola. So this would be, we call it the bush, the rural area. And this church is led by Edward Mana. He pastors that church has pastored it for over 20 years.
And in that time now, this is a rural environment. There’s mud block houses and people living in a rural setting, and they have not only have people come to Christ, but they have raised up leaders through their church. In fact, one of the brothers that got saved, they discipled trained and then sent over to Central Africa Baptist University for training, was a man by the name of Emmanuel Mula. And this rural church has planted two churches, one in the rural area of cte, but the one in another area about an hour further out in the bush of Pali. And so here’s a church. This brother gets saved, discipled serving in the church. The church reaches out to taboo, we get a scholarship to their guy. He graduates after four years and he is now leading this new church plan out further in the bush. So churches riverside to co kamli, and it won’t stop there in the DNA of every biblical church ought to be the idea that we exist to lead people to Christ, to disciple them, to raise up leaders, and then to plant another church in a needy community. That’s really the call of missions.
Isaac Crockett:
I love hearing that. It’s so exciting when you’re talking about that you’re an American involved in the African church for decades now. What are some patterns when you look at the American church in your position as a missionary, you’re kind of maybe more African than American with all the years you’ve spent in Africa, and as you look back at the American church, what are some patterns you see going on in the American church that you’re concerned about?
Philip Hunt:
Well, I praise God for what God is doing across the land. I get to travel back pretty much every year and travel and speak here. And I think that sometimes you go into a church and it’s a cause for great rejoicing. Other times there’s an opportunity for I think continued understanding and growth about what missions is. I think a lot of times probably churches, some churches are like I was when I was getting ready to go to Africa, I really had a lack of clarity on what missions is. And someone has well said that if everything is missions, nothing is. I remember when I was a kid learning that little song, be a missionary every day, tell the world that Jesus is the way. And so I think that really is a lack of clarity on what missions is and what God’s ordained plan is for a missionary when they’re sent.
I think Acts 14 tells us in verse 21 through 23 that we are to evangelize the lost we are to teach all that receive Christ, to obey him, and that results in the planting of local churches. And so I think methodologies that create unhealthy dependency, you seem to see a lot of that rather healthy, interdependent relationships. I think there is a place for the American church to partner globally, but some ways in which we are doing things from the West I think is broken. I think it often is not producing what we intended to happen and is creating a lot of unhealthy dependency on Western expertise and western finances. So that’s probably another whole discussion, but I think there’s a lot that needs to be done and a lot that can be done for us to grow in this area as the American church.
Isaac Crockett:
Those are really good points. And like you said, I think we could have some whole programs on some of that. One of the things that I notice as a pastor and speaker and I work with a lot of different groups all over the United States, and I would say it’s something I think here at the American Pastors Network we do run into, and we have a lot of churches that they want to fund foreign missions, and that is very good, like you said, that is a very good thing that America has a history of doing is sending out missionaries, funding different missional things all over the world, and that is great. But I’m seeing more and more stagnant American churches that though they are giving money for missional projects and for church planting and for pastoral training and things like that, and it’s going to other countries, other continents in many cases in their own community, in their own church, things are stagnant, their own outreach.
Have they ever been involved with helping a church plant in America or growing their own church that maybe is sort of shrinking and dying away. You were looking at some of these American churches, and I’m not saying that every one of our listeners is part of these churches, but we do get notes from some of our listeners and this seems to be the case. If you were looking at something like that with your missionary cap on your missionary mindset, what would you suggest for somebody that feels that they’re in that position, they funded foreign missions projects like the things you’re talking about, but their own churches may be struggling to reach their own community or to grow themselves.
Philip Hunt:
I think Acts one, eight, we would recognize that as perhaps a template for what the mission of God, the advance of the mission of God ought to look like. He’s speaking to these disciples and promising them power from the Holy Spirit to be his witnesses begin in Jerusalem, which is where they were, and then Judea and Samaria and then to the ends of the earth. Someone had written, I don’t remember who this was, but I remember reading it that the life that shines farthest shines brightest at home. And I think that we ought to be sending missionaries to proclaim the gospel, make disciples resulting in the planting of culty, reproducing churches. But when you send us to Africa to do that, there is the assumption that you are also doing that here at home. And so recognizing that that’s God’s mandate no matter where we are in whatever culture, whatever place, I think we need to be striving for healthy reproducing churches right here in the USA. I often tell our guys there in Zambia that every living organism by its very nature will reproduce itself. Birds reproduce after their kind a flower reproduces. So every living organism reproduces provided two things are true. Number one, that they’re mature enough, the organism is mature enough to reproduce and what baby elephant has the potential to reproduce but is not yet mature enough to do so. And
Isaac Crockett:
Phil, I think we’re going to have to come right back to that where coming up to a break, but we should be reproducing churches, whether in Africa or in America or anywhere in this world. We have a quick timeout and we’re going to wrap things up on Stand the Gap today when we come back. Welcome back to our program as we finish up with Philip Hunt from, we’re looking at Zambia and at Central Africa and the indigenous church planting that’s going on over there and his life work over there for over 30 years, 33 plus years. Phil, you were talking about how it’s expected that God has created creation to reproduce, and the same thing is what we should expect in our churches. And that’s been neat to see that happening in many churches over there in Africa. And that’s been what’s happened here in the United States at different times in our history. But we were talking about in some cases there are churches here in the US that they’re glad to be funding church growth in other continents, but their church itself is maybe having a hard time. It’s not growing, it’s not reaching out, it’s not making disciples. And you were talking about the expectation that churches should be reproducing more churches, and you were giving us two necessary steps for that. Could you maybe get us back into there and talk us through the steps?
Philip Hunt:
Sure, yeah. I was just making the comment that living organisms reproduce by their nature, provided two things are true. And I think these two things have an application to the church in Africa, but also the application here, number one, the organism will reproduce. It must be healthy and it must be mature. So I mentioned the maturity, but the organism also must be in good health. And if a living organism is mature and healthy, it will naturally reproduce. And as children of God, as Christians, we have the life of Christ within us. We ought to be reproducing our life in others. And the church, it’s not an organization, it’s a living organism. Christ is the head. It refers to us as the body, and therefore we ought to expect that we will be reproducing ourselves. And again, there’s much more that could be said about that, but what we’re doing in Zambia and across Central Africa is no different than what God expects to be done everywhere.
Isaac Crockett:
I love that because I remember growing up as a kid at missions conferences and missionaries coming in, and it was so exciting to see what they were doing, but it didn’t seem so exciting when we looked at our own church maybe. And yet there were things going on that I look back at now and I realize I was one of the ones being discipled. And I remember a youth pastor having a group to disciple the young men to be leaders in the church. And I think of the guys that were in that group with me, most of them are some sort of deacon or elder pastor or teacher, something of leadership in their churches where they’re at now. And that’s what he was doing, but it didn’t feel as exciting to see it done in my own church or in my own backyard. And so I know we’ve talked about this already, but are there any steps, any tactics that you have seen now as a missionary church planter, as a trainer of church planters, of indigenous church planters in Africa that you say this really should work or could work well in the United States as well?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, I think it’s the hard spade work. And I think you’re right, Isaac. When you’re in it, it doesn’t look very glorious, I can assure you that side. It doesn’t look glorious either, but it’s that confidence that Christ said he will build his church and it is doing the day after day proclaiming of the gospel. I mean really even to the pastors who may be tuned in. When was the last time that you and I actually intentionally shared our faith with someone not in a sermon on a Sunday? It’s back to those basics of proclaiming the gospel, believing that God will convict hearts, bring people to salvation, and then to intentionally invest our life into those who believe to help them grow in the Lord. And that will result in men who exhibit gifts and callings, and then we ought to be prepared as the local church to take responsibility for sending them out what’s going on in Zambia. But there’s nothing new here. This is what’s been going on since the book of Acts.
Isaac Crockett:
Amen. Yeah. And when we look through church history, we see happening at times and to see that carried on in our own lives and our own churches is important. And I just love hearing about what’s happening in Africa. But it’s also exciting when we see some of this happen in America, even here at the American Pastors Network. We have a co-host who’s church planted in Manhattan in New York City, and I’m replanting a church in rural America, and we have a lot of different groups in between. And I think sometimes we don’t see ourselves writing a missionary newsletter or something and reporting these things, but there’s just a lot of day-to-day living by faith, giving the gospel, living the gospel, and God uses that. I do have maybe a final question or one of my final questions. So let’s just say somebody’s listening, they’re in the United States, a pastor or just maybe somebody interested in what you’re talking about, and they want to help support international ministries, they want to help international missions, and that help is needed. It’s appreciated. But they say, well, how can I help without undermining the indigenous efforts? What do you say to that question?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, that’s a big question and we could go a lot of different directions, but I think there’s some practical things. Number one, raise up and send and support missionaries from our own congregations partner with trusted ministry like Central Africa Baptist University or others. And then I think there’s a real opportunity for local churches in the West to partner with healthy local churches in Africa who are raising up their own missionaries and sending their missionaries to church plants. So this would be a church to church partnership, not a Western church to an individual necessarily. And there’s a lot that we could say about that, but God hasn’t rescinded the Great commission. We must be about it. We must be about raising up disciples, raising up leaders through our churches and sending them both locally and abroad to proclaim the gospel in plant churches.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, Phil, we live in exciting times, and one of the neat things is with technology is how quickly missionaries can report with email or pictures or videos and things. And so it’s just so exciting seeing your website and seeing Central Africa, Baptist University and some of the social media and things. It’s very exciting times. We have about a minute left in our program. Any final comments before we close this program out, Phil?
Philip Hunt:
Yeah, I see the Lord at work in Africa and here in the USA, and I think there’s really a great reason to praise the Lord for what he’s doing, and I pray that we might be able to work together to develop meaningful relationships that God will bless until the gospel has reached every village, town and city across the continent of Africa. And I would love to discuss any of these things further with anyone who’s listening happy to help talk through missions with anyone who wants to take the next step in their local church and would be happy for anyone just to reach out to me on email. And I’d love to have those conversations.
Isaac Crockett:
And you can see a lot of this information@cabuniversity.com. That’s Central Africa Baptist University, CAB university.com. You can also go to Zambia hunt.com and find out more information. Well, Phil, thank you so much for spending time with us today, and thank you so much for investing your life in God’s church and training up leaders, folks, that about wraps it up for today. We’re going to close in prayer. A gracious heavenly Father, we just thank you for your church, for your son, Jesus Christ, who is the head of the church. I pray that all that we have said and done today with honor and glorify you that your Holy Spirit would work in us and move us to do what you would have us to do when you would have us to do it. I thank you for Phil and for all the different pastors and missionaries that are working with him, and I thank you for every one of our listeners as I pray for us, even right now. It’s in the name of Jesus Christ, our savior. We pray these things. We thank you and love you, father. Amen. Well, again, Phil, thanks for being on with us today, and thank you for listening. Every one of you who’s listening, I hope that you will share this program maybe with somebody who hasn’t heard it. And until next time, pray for us and stand in the gap for truth wherever you are today.
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