Keep Your Eyes on A(Eye)

Keep Your Eyes on A(Eye)

August 8, 2024

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Leo Hohmann

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/8/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:       Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and as I do this program today, the world is literally physically, and I’m going to say emotionally or mentally or psychologically, however you want to look at it, shaking, physically shaking as here in America. Now, you may not know this, but I’ve been looking at the last few days. It’s just kind of lost in the abundance of information, but Tuesday night, about nine o’clock or so, there was a 5.2 earthquake in Southern California followed by over 200 aftershocks, 33 of whom were over 3.0, and that was in an area not generally known for quakes in the LA area and all that up and down that stretch there. Then 24 hours later last night, there was another one in the same area registering 4.4, but on the other side of the world in Japan last night about that same time, there was a major quake at 7.2 prompting tsunami warnings there.

Sam Rohrer:       But these are only a fraction of the quakes that are occurring around the world of late, of which there are thousands, and also across America, unlikely places such as, for instance, New Jersey, new Jersey’s had over 200 quakes reported there in the last three months. Just doesn’t happen generally under Lake Michigan’s. Just a short time ago there was a 2.9 quake, very significant that one’s being watched and get this in Texas one county, scurry County has had over a hundred quakes in the last week alone and it’s prompted local officials there to declare a state of emergency. Now that’s literal physical shaking. So from an emotional or mental shaking perspective, the world awaits. For instance, Iran in the alliance with Iran launching a major attack against Israel. Have we talked about that in depth on Monday? NATO NATO’s lining up with troops on the ground, seen some numbers, I can’t really believe it, 500,000 troops being in the process of being ready to engage with Russia.

Sam Rohrer:       Have you heard about that? Now, this is part of an intentional, this whole aspect of war. There’s a psychological warfare tactic, particularly in the Middle East where there’s a threat and they don’t do anything and they back off and they come back. It throws people into a limbo state of anxiety by design. Now, I share these things only to restate as I have been saying for a long time. Events are moving so fast and so intensely all over the world that it’s literally impossible to be aware of all of them or even to contemplate what a day may bring forth. Now for the non-believing world, they will be driven to such anxiety that they will cry out for leadership and help, but they won’t cry out to God. They’ll cry out to government and will be more willing to at that point, to trade off their freedom for the lie of security.

Sam Rohrer:       But that’s just what the Bible says. That’s how I can confidently say that. But today I’m not going to discuss any of these items I just mentioned other than to put them on the table, but to go a different direction here. At the end of the day, the point is we need to be aware as God’s people of what’s happening, the big picture, but we need to trust implicitly in God above who alone is our refuge and strength and is the only foundation that will never move. That is what we must anchor upon. Now today I’ve asked Leo Homan independent investigative journalist, author, and speaker, his website, Leo Hohmann.substack.com, Leo Hohmann.substack.com is with me and my program title I’ve laid out today is this, keep your Eyes on AI and Think with this A-I-E-Y-E-A-I little play on words there, but you’ll see what we are talking about. Keep your eyes on A-I-E-Y-E with that. Welcome Leo to the program.

Leo Hohmann:   Hello, Sam. Good to be with you.

Sam Rohrer:       Leo. There’s so much happening after you and I just talked briefly before the program and you’ve been writing just tremendous number of items and one of those things that has a thread that runs through it is this thing we call ai and through the balance of this program, we’re going to show how this connective thing, this technology is there in its surfacing, being promoted, being pushed in a significant way, and you are going to share some things recently that are taking place, but let’s get this way first, just briefly define or describe in your own words this technology we refer to as artificial intelligence. What is it?

Leo Hohmann:   It’s exactly what it says it is. It’s intelligence programmed into computer chips by human beings based on certain algorithms and other technical terms that I’m not any expert on whatsoever. So I’m probably not the best person to get into the actual technical aspects of ai. I know what it’s accomplishing, but if I had to describe Sam exactly how they put it together, that would be a laughable scenario because I’m not a computer engineer, but just suffice it to say that these are AI is feeding into supercomputers that are housed in massive data centers that are now being constructed around the United States and the world. AI is in its relative infancy. It has not been around long. It is still being perfected and the more that it advances and gets perfected, the more data it will be able to scoop up and they use this data for predictive processes.

Leo Hohmann:   In other words, it could scan hundreds of millions of social media accounts in a split second and feed out information that based on the input, the output now tells the person doing the input, what they want to know, which would’ve taken them months or years to go through all of that data. AI can do it in seconds or minutes and then spit out the answers that the person is looking for. Think how this can be abused by governments around the world who are getting more and more aggressive on cracking down on free speech and other freedom of religion, freedom of assembly. It can be used to track people’s movements, to track people’s speech online, all of the things that tyrants love to do but are limited by their human capability. AI can do it better and faster.

Sam Rohrer:       Yes, it can. And ladies and gentlemen, we’ll build that out more so, but Leo, just the last 30 seconds here or so before we go to the break, who generally, not necessarily names, but who generally what types of people are really pushing ai? The use of the integration of artificial intelligence the most,

Leo Hohmann:   I would say the US government and the Department of Defense, DARPA and these entities along with Homeland Security and all of the subagencies under Homeland Security along with Department of Defense and the FBI, the CIA, they are the leaders, the worldwide global leaders in the West along with MI six in the UK, five i’s, have you ever heard of that, Sam?

Sam Rohrer:       Yep, I have. And ladies and gentlemen, with that, Leo could go on further, but you get the idea. It’s government entities, globalist minded control, are those who want control are the ones that are pushing it the most. Now when we come back, that’s the what A little bit on the who. When we come back, we’re going to talk about the why, how’s it being promoted? Well, if you’re just joining us today, thank you for being with us. Leo Hohmann is my guest here today on this Thursday edition of Staying in the Gap Today, and our theme is this, keep your eyes on AI with a focus on EYE. Keep your eyes on AI because through the balance of the program, if we’re all introduced, we’re going to talk about events. Things that are happening around the world have been happening, increasingly happen coming from all sides, but there is a thread that runs through them all kind of like I’m going to say veins in a person’s body and that’s thing of things called ai, artificial intelligence.

Sam Rohrer:       Now here are just a few thoughts before I go and ask Leah to expand upon what he’s written. Some about the why, some of the arguments that those are using to promote ai, but then what the real reasons are, and here are just some thoughts I just want to lay down. First of all, the integration of AI, artificial intelligence, and some of this I’m going to give is part of if there is an official definition, it includes a little bit of the first sentence or two, but the integration of artificial intelligence, that technology simulating human intelligence programmed to mimic the human ability to think and learn is well advanced. Now what I just said there, part of that is a part of what would be more or less the definition. This is also a little bit of the definition. AI systems use algorithms and statistical models to analyze data, recognize patterns, and make predictions of likely behavior of people or things without explicit programming for each specific task.

Sam Rohrer:       In other words, you can set this thing up and it functions like a person. Some of these now are my comments because of the speed and instantaneous level of adaptation of ai, it literally can exceed the ability of any given person or group of people and because it has no soul. Now think about it. We’ve talked about this in other programs. AI simulates a person mimics a person’s knowledge decision-making predictions in how to respond, but it has no soul. It does not recognize God, it does not recognize God as supreme authority. AI is a machine, but it’s a machine. I’m going to suggest here clearly without conscience, without moral values or emotion. So on one hand, and you’ll see it, you’ll see this coming down as part of the justification, AI can be positioned as perfect justice on one hand because it can make determinations based on all of the data theoretically, but without consideration of color or race or anything else because blind to that, but it can also literally imprison or order the death of billions of people on the earth.

Sam Rohrer:       As a matter of fact, just something that it says needs to be done and with no remorse because there’s no conscience. So in its developed form, mature form, and we’re quickly getting there, it can be the literal mechanism for global total control, and I’m going to say likely the tool of choice for the beast system and potentially the antichrist himself. Now Leo, what I have said there is part of my, some of it has clearly reflected your thinking in writings and things that you’ve written about just recently, but let’s go here at this juncture. You just wrote an article, it talks about the us some things happening in the United States and the United Kingdom where they seem to be way ahead and pushing hard for national implementation. But we’ve talked about, again, the model already in place is communist China. They’ve got a whole billion plus people that they already have under the thumb of tyrannical government and AI is processing information.

Sam Rohrer:       Matter of fact, I hadn’t shared this with you, but had friends who I’ve known who have just come back from visiting in China, spending some time there. They were former missionaries in another country and how they were functioning, they were told by folks that were there that things are so tracked and followed that literally within two minutes of an infraction or whatever, within two minutes, anybody can be approached and identified by government. In other words, within two minutes that whole thing is followed up. That’s how quick ladies and gentlemen is. So anyways, Leo to here. Can you identify some of the arguments that proponents of utilization of AI are using because a lot of them sound good?

Leo Hohmann:   Yeah, but I can, but first I would like to comment on what you laid out so eloquently there. I like what you said, Sam, about AI being devoid of emotion or conscience, and I just wanted to give an example of that that I’ve personally experienced. Red light cameras operated usually by private contractors using ai, high resolution cameras connected to the internet and they contract with local governments and they just send out speeding tickets or you ran through this red light and here’s a picture of your car and your license plate in the middle of that intersection, and that yellow is just now turning to red and you cannot fight that If it was a human being, an actual police officer who pulled you over, he might after talking to you, decide to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe if you have a 30 year clean driving record and it was a kind of a close call as you went through that intersection, was it actually yellow or did it turn red?

Leo Hohmann:   It was very close and you have a clean driving record for many, many years, so he might let you off. No such luck with AI, red light cameras because it either is or it isn’t. Like you said, Sam, you cannot fight a machine. It is a ticket. You must now pay it. You now have points on your driving record that you might not have had if it was a human officer using his human discretion based on the actual circumstances. Maybe you had an actual in your vehicle where you needed to go through that light, an emergency type situation. So this is just an example of what you were pointing out. Now, benefits, they say it’s going to be more inclusive, more convenient, more safe, more secure. All of this ad nauseum lies. Yes, by convenient they mean faster. AI powered systems are always going to be faster.

Leo Hohmann:   The National Football League, NFL just mentioned, they’re going to have biometric digital face scans for everyone who enters every one of their stadiums in the upcoming football season. Like it or not, it was voluntary at just a few stadiums last year, but they say it’s going to speed up the entire process. You won’t have to wait to get in the stadium, you won’t have to wait to go get a soda or a hot dog. It’ll just be seamless and they love that word, seamless access to services and data-driven policymaking. This is their words. This is according to the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. Nations can harness digital id, innovation and AI capabilities responsibly and unlock extensive benefits, personalized education, improved healthcare, seamless access to services and data-driven policymaking. So there you go. They also point out a lot of potential problems with it, but they say that it’s going to be all that’s going to be taken care of. You won’t have to worry about the deep fakes and all of the fake videos, fake pictures that can be put out online against anyone using AI systems. So yeah, it’s all going to be couched and sold to us in these pretty flowery terms.

Sam Rohrer:       Again, ladies, we’ve talked about it, but link it right here while we’re talking about this. The ai, its computer machine analysis, all of this that we’re talking about, the goal though in reality is not that make things more efficient for somebody, but it ultimately ends up in control like we see in China, but just connect right now the types of things build out a little bit the interactions of people in real life processes wise that can all be connected under this thing called ai.

Leo Hohmann:   Yeah, because eventually it will all be tied together with a digital ID platform and central bank digital currencies. It will all be monitored 24 7. Every transaction that you make, every place that you go, all of your movements, your travel history, your purchase history, Sam, it will all be an open book to the government authorities. It will be sold to third parties for advertising purposes. Oh, this guy likes to go to this store and that place and vacation over here and over there, and now you’re getting sales pitches from similar type companies that you did not solicit. And it is just the complete and total removal of all sense of privacy or respect for individual human rights. Human as we would say, human, individual liberty here in the United States that was granted to us by our wonderful constitution, by our founding fathers. All of this will be bypassed and what the government cannot do, see Sam, according to the constitution, it is forbidden from regulating our speech, forbidden from regulating our purchase of firearms, forbidden from a lot of things. They will simply outsource these very invasive, coercive policies that are not allowed by the constitution or federal and state laws. They will outsource that to the corporate partners in the private sector.

Sam Rohrer:       Alright, ladies and gentlemen, isn’t that what we saw under the whole covid lockdown? Government couldn’t do it, but they bribe other entities in the private sector to monitor your speech, force you to go unemployed if you don’t take the shot. Remember all that and that’s what Leo’s talking about, but now you speed that whole thing up under ai. So when we come back, we’re going to walk a little bit into what’s actually being done to now promote this. Well, when it comes to global government and the rise of the beast system, we use that word Leo, whom and my guest right now has used that word regularly for years now in describing this system that is coming upon the world. But as a part of all of that, the Bible speaks about it. We see it occurring, but of that system and the implementation deception plays a major role like the frog that can be boiled to death by incrementally slowly raising the water temperature so a culture can be moved as in the art of brainwashing, propaganda and brainwashing.

Sam Rohrer:       The very definition of brainwashing is in fact moving a person from a point of conviction, and I’m going to say a conviction about God because when the experimentation was done in North Korea prisons years ago, this is exactly what was done. Take the prisoners who had a fear of God loved America and move them to the point where their view of God, morality, truth, justice freedom and other things that have been the basis for what we’ve come to enjoy in America and generally the western world, but move them literally to the point where they now reject God and truth and morality and justice and all that they once held. That is brainwashing techniques specifically done to make that happen. It’s been happening. We know on a broad scale mass propaganda on entire populations here in our country and the western world in particular. Now we know this attack has been underway.

Sam Rohrer:       The Marxist and the globalist and the atheist, they’ve been doing it for generations and they’ve actually said it. We are witnessing this move also in religious leaders as they are moving into gross heresy or literally we have religious leaders now standing up and denying the very power of God and the authority of scripture, correct? I mean that’s what’s happening now. In addition, average people in government, be they conservatives or liberals for instance in the United Kingdom or Democrats or Republicans in our nation, having once rejected God, once you’ve rejected God and his power, his authority, then you move into, you become a part of the satanic effort to subvert freedom and the rule of law and to further their own God rejecting plan where they believe themselves to be God. That’s where we are now. In this segment, we’re going to talk about how some of that is occurring in real time. Leo, you wrote an article recently just a couple days ago, citing actual key governmental actions in the UK and major statements even being made here in the United States by Congressman Joe Biden himself, secretary of State Blinken, and there could be others, but these are not matters of speculation. These are observation. Tell us about what they have written and how and why it should be disturbing in this regard we’re talking about today.

Leo Hohmann:   Yeah, Congressman Jamie Raskin came out in February of this year with a very disturbing comment. It was made at a very tiny town hall meeting at a local bookstore and did not receive almost any attention at the time, but recently the video has resurfaced on Twitter and what he said in this little round table discussion at the local bookstore was that he does not envision a peaceful transition of power if Trump were to win the election in November. He’s saying that the Congress will invoke Article three of the 14th Amendment, which prevents any candidate for president, vice president or Congress from taking office if he has a history of insurrection, and of course that’s what they’re accusing Trump of from January, 2021, even though he was never convicted of anything involving insurrection. That’s been the talking points of the left, as you know. So he’s predicting civil war martial law, people like him having to have bodyguards and everything, just total chaos and breakdown of society if Trump wins.

Leo Hohmann:   Now, just yesterday, Joe Biden came out in an interview with CBS Sunday morning, the full interview is going to air this coming Sunday, but they leaked some of the comments he made in this taped interview at the White House and they asked him, do you think there’ll be a peaceful transition in January, 2025? He said, no, he does not anticipate a peaceful transition at all. First he said, if Trump wins, but then he corrected himself and said, if Trump loses, so if Trump loses, we’re talking about no peaceful transition, and if Trump that according to Joe Biden the current president, and according to Congressman Jamie Raskin, if Trump wins, there will be no peaceful transition. So we’re talking here about chaos breaking out sometime between November 5th and January 20th, 21st, whenever the inauguration is supposed to be held.

Sam Rohrer:       Alright, now those are two Again, what you’re saying there, and I’m saying ladies and gentlemen, is that it’s important to understand what these people are saying and it’s easy to discount and say, oh, well, that’s just a crazy congressman. Well, there are many of them who have no wisdom and say foolish things that we know, but you can’t just disregard comments of that type. And then particularly about our own president when he makes comments, and as Leo said, that’ll be carried some of that on Sunday’s program publicly, but you can’t disregard these things. These are individuals who are speaking not just on behalf of themselves we know, but speaking on a larger group of people with a mentality. Now, let’s move into this a little bit. Secretary of State Blinken also made a comment about the necessity, again, bringing the AI piece of this equation because it does wind its way into this whole matter, does it not?

Leo Hohmann:   It certainly does, Sam, because Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken appeared in a press conference with one of his advisors on high tech type advising on, I think it was July 1st or July 2nd, not just a few weeks ago, and he made some really chilling comments that again, got little to no press coverage. Americans are not hearing about this stuff. But in my article posted to my Substack account on August the seventh, I provide the evidence of what he said. It’s on video him saying bluntly that the federal government’s intention is to use AI for media monitoring, using it to combat disinformation, one of the poisons of the international system today. So that is a bombshell comment right there, especially when taken in context of the Biden administration announcing just a few days ago, they are allocating $2.2 billion to upgrade the power grid, and one of the two or three reasons they gave for needing this upgrade to the electric power grid is the advance and oncoming unleashing of artificial intelligence.

Leo Hohmann:   As I said earlier, artificial intelligence takes up huge amounts of electricity. Our current power grid is not capable of supplying energy to all of these new massive data centers. They tend to be like 500 to 500,000 to a million square feet filled with data grabbing computer systems. They need tons of electricity, tons of water resources to keep the computer systems cooled down. People aren’t aware of this, and you’ve got our government, high official Anthony Blinken, secretary of State giving the reason for that. The government is going to start using ai. He said to scan and monitor all speech online by every human being in the United States. And when taken in context with what’s happening right now in the United Kingdom, great Britain, it’s scary because they have arrested over 3000 people in recent weeks just for the crime now of hate speech. They posted something, an opinion online on Facebook, and the cops show up at their door the next day to arrest them.

Leo Hohmann:   This is not me talking, this is fact, Sam, and that’s exactly what the type of system that the entire Western world is getting ready to roll out. It’s been advocated by the un. They put out white papers on it. The World Economic Forum has done the same thing, and now we see the Western puppet leaders of our governments, people like the Biden, we have Blinken and others in the Biden administration letting the cat out of the bag with no media coverage. So people aren’t aware of it, that they plan to monitor our speech and punish us if our speech does not line up with their talking points, their narratives on vaccines, war, immigration, election, integrity, all of hot point issues. There will be one narrative allowed, and if you don’t fall in line, you’ll risk being arrested, fined, possibly imprisoned.

Sam Rohrer:       And ladies and gentlemen, communist China, we’ve talked about so much. Their system is this system. It allows over a billion people to be monitored on the spot. And as I shared that example, within two minutes an infraction, a government official, could be right there and know where every person is and correct that situation, make them conform. It’s hard to believe, but this is what the plan is. That model exists being pushed now aggressively implemented in the UK, being discussed even by our president, secretary of State for why it’s necessary here. And then we’re going to come back. I’m going to conclude by talking to Leo with what are some options that we have. Well, before we go into our final segment here, just a reminder that there have been number of articles that Leo, whom and my guest here today have written that touches on a portion of what we’re talking about today.

Sam Rohrer:       In some cases goes much, much deeper. But as he and I talked about a couple of weeks ago when he was with me on this program about the benefit, we tried to describe what is investigative journalism. We talked together personally about that, what that means, and we equated that to honest journalism, things that you can trust. And one of the things in journalism, in honest journalism is that sources will be cited, and he referenced that. So I’m going to encourage you to go further than just hearing what we’re saying. Go read the article and follow through on the links that are in the article. Now, you can get probably the best coverage, the best listing of the articles that he writes on his website at substack Leo Hohmann. There’s two Ns in that, Leo Homan, two Ns, do substack.com, leo hohmamn.substack.com, and then you can find that and then encouraging, follow those up, follow the links, listen, read, because that’s the actual thing, and you’ll find very clearly that it’s not making something up.

Sam Rohrer:       In addition, just another reminder again, that as of six weeks or two months ago, whatever we began taking and converting all of these programs in audio here form into, we transcribe them. So when you go to the website, stand on the gap radio.com or off of our app, you will also find both this audio and all of the archives and transcripts of the program. So if you’re not, you’re at home and you’re standing in the kitchen, like if you’re lady or a guy maybe at home doing that or you’re taking care of the kids and you don’t have the opportunity to write something down or driving in a car, you can go back and get the transcript. I encourage you to do that. Then you can go from there. So just say that. Alright, now, Leo, we’ve laid down a lot of information on the table today, and it’s not my desire that we highlight things that are disturbing as we are today, but it happens to be true and disturbing things we don’t like generally because disturbing things challenge our natural desire to live in peace and just to be left alone.

Sam Rohrer:       But none of what we’ve discussed is opinion and is talked about that. So it’s a recounting of what actually is happening and what is as predictable as the sun coming up, the reality that choices have consequences, all of those things. We’re seeing these things mature before our eyes. Now, in one of your articles, you cited a number of response items that a person could take in response to this, and I’d like you to walk down through some of them right now. But in the end, Leo, we know no person, no single person is going to be able to derail the train, the train of the beast system that moves with total global control of the economics, of the finances, of the political, of the speech and travel such as we have witnessed so clearly being implemented and already perfected on over a billion people in China.

Sam Rohrer:       Now this model is the B system. Again, you’ve written about it, but the Bible speaks about it. So we’re not going to derail it. We have to resist it and think increasingly clearly about where we are going to have to draw the line and refuse to participate in the system. But that’s been a choice, ladies and gentlemen, of every Christian since the time of Christ, every godly person have had to choose where to draw the line and not participate in the system of the world when it goes beyond a certain point. Now, we don’t have time, Leo to walk in through all of that concept there, but I would like you to now walk through a bit here about some of those response items that you think people can and should take as we see this engine coming down the line called AI and digital IDs and that kind of thing,

Leo Hohmann:   And just overall general mass surveillance and the using of these systems for evil, whereas maybe they weren’t always used for evil in the past. And I’m referring to things like Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, which is owned by Google, Google search engine, and most of the other search engines, they’re all now rigged to present a certain narrative. I could search something in Google now and all that comes up is mainstream articles from C-N-N-M-S-N-B-C, Washington Post, New York Times, Yahoo News, all of the, I cannot find an alternative media account of a major news event anymore when I use Google. And the same goes for most of the other search engines. So you really have to search out hard for alternatives, and I think it may be time now for people to deactivate or delete their Facebook Instagram accounts. Twitter is offering more freedom of speech, and so we can still get our message out on there for the time being.

Leo Hohmann:   Not that it won’t at some point be used against us, but Facebook and Instagram, I really don’t see the purpose anymore from a conservative point of view because even if they allow your comment to be posted it, those platforms owned by Mark Zuckerberg have been developed, nurtured into echo chambers. What do I mean by that? When you put out a message that’s a conservative oriented message about politics, culture, religion, whatever, it’s going to be mostly seen by your friends who have like-minded views. And so you’re really just sharing them with people who already know who agree with what you think. So I don’t really see the purpose anymore of these platforms from a Christian conservative point of view. So I’m starting to tell people get out of those systems. Also, Americans especially tend to gravitate to the newest, shiniest, fastest technology. That is a mindset that we need to change. Do not be fast to upgrade your cell phone or your laptop or whatever. Make your settings so that you have to approve the updates. They don’t come in automatically because with each one of these upgrades, upgrades, I find there’s more control from the Microsoft or Apple or whoever the owner of the platform is.

Leo Hohmann:   I say get rid of things like Ring doorbells, baby monitors, Amazon, Alexa, all of these are monitoring your daily activities and feeding them back to a central computer. Anything that is connected to the internet that’s monitoring your home. My advice would be to find an alternative. Avoid smart meters, smart thermostats, smart appliances, smart cars, smart homes, anything with the word smart on it. Avoid it like the plague because this is connected to the internet, meaning it’s monitored 24 7, pay with cash instead of your debit card whenever possible. Buy actual books instead of relying on Kindle and other electronic versions. Because if the internet were to go down temporarily or permanently by permanently, I could say weeks, months, or years, say we had an EMP attack, you’ve now lost all of your reading material, and that could include the Bible. Make sure you have an actual physical Bible. You’d be surprised how many Christians now read the Bible through their phone apps. They don’t actually pull out the old leather bound Bible and turn the pages anymore. That is something you’re living in a naive world. If you’re relying completely on that, there may be a day where you won’t be able to go to a bookstore and find an actual physical Bible.

Sam Rohrer:       All right, and Leo, we’re out of time. I’m sorry. I’m sorry ladies and gentlemen, we’re out of time. But if you were to go to Leo site, leo hohmann.substack.com, you can find those items that he was citing because they are in one of the recent articles that he’s written, and you’ll find them all there. I encourage you to do that. Take this information, be encouraged to go further, deeper, do the work yourself, seek God’s wisdom, and then with courage, apply the truth and stand in the gap for truth.