Trump’s First Month: What Does It Mean and Where Are We Going?

Trump’s First Month: What Does It Mean and Where Are We Going?

Feb. 18, 2025

Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell

Guest: Jeff Childers

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 2/18/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Jamie Mitchell:

Well, hello again friends and welcome to Stand In the Gap Today I am your host, Jamie Mitchell, director of church culture at the American Pastors Network. I’m super excited about today’s guest and our topic, and I think we’re about to have some fun. I think it’s okay to have fun on Stand in the Gap, maybe we should call it to be a little bit more legitimate expectant joy today our friend Jeff Childers is going to be that source of fun. You see, it’s been about 30 days into President Trump’s second administration, and even if you don’t like the president, you have to admit that what we have seen is nothing short of remarkable. I mean, usually you wait until the hundredth day to start evaluating. We could evaluate from week one. I’ve lost count on the executive orders. I think it’s somewhere around 300. These actions are not just window dressing, but they are political earthquakes and you’re watching the response and he’s getting at the root causes of many of the problems that we’re facing in the nation. Now, Jeff Childers and I are going to examine these past 30 days. Jeff is the founder and author of one of my favorite daily readings, coffee and Covid. He is a lawyer, a political and cultural investigator and analysis and a fellow believer, and it’s always a joy to have Jeff on our program. Jeff, welcome back to Stand In the Gap.

Jeff Childers:

Jamie, thank you for that generous introduction. I couldn’t be more pleased to be here with you just 12 months ago, you probably remember conservatives were crying about what looked like a contested primary, and now here we are,

Jamie Mitchell:

Oh, Jeff, truly the song, what a Difference a Year makes in the whole political and national landscape. Now, Jeff, I knew that Trump was going to shake up Washington, but I did not expect what we have seen before. We get into particulars of some of the actions he has taken and they are significant and especially the Christians, and that’s one of the things we want to do today. As we look at some of these things, ask the question, why is this significant for us as believers? Can you give us some of your perspective of what’s different this time around for Trump? What’s the difference between 45 and 47? And many have said this is not 2016. What’s happened is much different. How is Trump 2.0 different than before?

Jeff Childers:

People are focused on his near death experience with the assassination attempt, and a lot of folks have persuasively argued that his character has evolved a little. I’m not sure that being in the middle of it, Jamie, I’m not sure we’re even capable of making those kinds of accurate distinctions. People are calling this presidency and I’m talking about dyed in the wool. Corporate media types, not sympathetic are calling Trump’s current administration. Words like historic, revolutionary, unprecedented, things like that. And all of that is true what we like to call the deep state, which if you don’t like that term, you could just refer to as the permanent bureaucracy that’s been running this country for our entire lifetimes is in the shambles and it’s in the shambles because of President Trump in his second term. That is completely the opposite of what happened in the first term.

In the first term, the permanent bureaucracy had completely bogged Trump 1.0 down with leaks, with undermining, with throwing wrenches into his confirmation hearings with his nominees. He had to start over several times. There was even a lot of Trump derangement syndrome among Republicans, so they were disunified. All of that is completely different this time. It’s totally a different landscape, like they said, a historic landscape. You and I have never seen anything like this in our lives. It’s not just Trump. There’s a huge iceberg below him of unified Republicans, and you’ve probably heard a lot about that project 2025 that the Democrats cried about. That was a Heritage Foundation project, and I think when we look back at this thing in history, they’re going to deserve a lot of credit because what they did was they made a plan for every single agency and subagency in the government and they handed that plan to President Trump, and I believe he’s more or less working that whole thing.

Jamie Mitchell:

Jeff, I think one of the things that is fair to do is to look at Trump as a person, as a leader. Now, only the Lord knows a heart, so I don’t know where President Trump is. I would tend to believe that he is not a born again Christian. He’s not a believer, but he certainly has a sympathy towards us. But one of the things that I have said is he is a pragmatist. He’s not coming at this necessarily being driven by some moral or theological value, but he sees a problem much like he did when he was building things and he says, look, somebody’s got to fix this. When you look at Trump’s persona, how do you see it?

Jeff Childers:

He is an entrepreneur and a businessman. They call the CEO of a corporation, the chief executive officer executive, and we, I think have always done well when we put people with good executive skills into these top offices, whether it’s president or governor or any other top executive office in our political system, and Trump might be the quintessential entrepreneur of our time. We may never see anyone with his skills. And if you look back over his lifetime accomplishments, who would you compare him to? Who else has done the kinds of things that Donald Trump has done in our entrepreneurial capitalistic system? I would argue nobody. He’s a unique personality and now he is running as the chief executive of this country.

He’s running and fixing things that he encountered, like consider every project building a skyscraper in Manhattan. Imagine the regulatory problems he must have navigated. He understands those problems inside and out, and now he’s in a position to do something about it. He thought he was in that position in Trump 1.0, but the permanent bureaucracy got him. So I think what we’re looking at, Jamie, is he is taking out the permanent bureaucracy first quickly in a massive attack that totally shocked and surprised them. They did not see it coming. And once they’re out of the way, then he can do what I think he’s always wanted to do. That’s my read.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah, I think you’re right. I mean, Jeff, I don’t know if you knew this, but I was born and raised in New York City. I lived the Trump years. I watched him build things. I watched him fix things. I watched him navigate. And I think that builder analogy, I think people need to understand that. I think Christians need to understand that of what we’re dealing with here. We’re not dealing with an ideologue, we’re dealing with a pragmatist, a practical leader who sees a problem and says, there’s got to be a way to fix this. Now, when you think about the assassination attempt, the lawsuits, accusations, having four years to think and plan all of that prepared him

For what we are now looking at when we come back. I want to look at the effects of DOGE and the mounting evidence of fiscal corruption in our government. Jeff Childers is my guest today. We’re having fun. We’re looking back at the first 30 days of the new Trump administration here at Stand At the Gap. Well, welcome back. We’re doing a 30 day review of the Trump administration. All that’s happened down in dc. Jeff Childers from Coffee and Covid fame is helping us analyze this historic start of this new generation. Jeff, when Trump announced that Elon Musk would be heading up a new agency called DOGE and looking into government waste, fraud and abuse, many thought it was a publicity, John. Well, we now know it is. No joke. First, what is DOGE and what is it attempting to do?

Jeff Childers:

Well, it’s funny the way you set that up Jamie, because the acronym DOGE actually comes from an online joke that I think it was like gamers or something that they came up with, and then they made a joke, meme coin out of it that was a spoof on coin type investments. So Elon’s loved that term and he’s carried it forward, and now it’s the name of the most influential government agency in our government right now. When I said before, I want to correct something that I said, I pointed out that Trump is a unique personality with business skills that are unparalleled in our lifetime, and he’s historic because of it. And I said you couldn’t find another person to compare him to. Well, that’s not entirely accurate because Elon Musk I think could be compared to Trump. Elon’s a little different. He’s not a marketer.

Trump is a marketing genius. Genius, absolutely. I mean, it’s undeniable. He wrote The Art of the Deal. He’s a negotiating genius, but Elon is an inventor. So Elon invented a whole new private space industry. He invented an electric car industry. He’s invented a underground boring industry. They’re talking about boring a tunnel from the US to Europe that you can drive through in a couple hours at high speed. Imagine that. Now, Trump picked that guy who by the way, is now the world’s wealthiest man and put him in charge of this DOGE operation. So you have two unique personalities in maybe human history. You get to be world’s richest man in history. You’re in the history books, right? So that guy’s running this cost cutting, downsizing and efficiency agency. That’s profound. We talk about DEI and we complain that DEI puts people who are unqualified in positions just because they check a box and we wail about, and I think for good reason, we complain that people who are skilled and should be doing certain jobs aren’t being hired for them. So if you want to pare down the US government and achieve cost savings, Trump just hired the most qualified person for that job, possibly in human history.

Jamie Mitchell:

Now, Jeff, go ahead. I’m sorry.

Jeff Childers:

No, you go ahead.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, I was going to say what we’re already seeing is Musk brilliance as day by day we get these reports of what DOGE is doing, and many of them you have written in Coffee and Covid. What are some of the things that he’s doing and why is it significant and really how bad is the abuse that he’s finding?

Jeff Childers:

Well, how about millions of dollars going to the World Economic Forum, which is that she high-end private jet invitation only political club in Davo, Switzerland that’s run by Klaus Schwab. I’m sure most people are familiar with that. That’s the wealthiest of the wealthy, the super elite. Why are our tax dollars going to fund that operation? Even partially do has dug out this scam where media companies are charging the government for unquote government access subscriptions, which I guess is they have their own little subpage or whatever, but it’s like 10 to $15,000 a year per user. And my question is Politico has been the one that’s cropped up over and over again. If Politico has better news, better quality news, why is it putting it on the secret website for the government and charging $15,000 a year? I mean, it’s a news organization, wouldn’t it put the better quality news right on the public page? So what it looks to everyone who’s reasonable like is it’s just a media subsidy is just an excuse for the government to fund media companies for favorable coverage. Just yesterday, Lee Zelin, the new EPA administrator tweeted that he’s canceled the Politico subscriptions at the EPA. Guess how much that came to every year just for those media subscriptions? For one News website? Guess what? We were paying

Jamie Mitchell:

Thousands of dollars. Was it

Jeff Childers:

500 thousands of dollars a year? 500 K year. That’s 5 million every 10 years for website enhanced website access to one supposedly independent news site.

Jamie Mitchell:

We haven’t even seen Jeff. I mean, as you get these reports, and today, and again, you and I laughed at the beginning of this before we went on the air, because we said because of both of our schedules, we had to record today’s program a couple of days before it’s actually being broadcast. By the time this gets broadcast in just a few days, we will be probably obsolete with the things we’re talking about because things are rolling so quickly. But even today, Trump is coming out and he’s going to show some of the receipts of foreign countries and terrorists and organizations. But so much of this, Jeff, the concern is this money is going out and is it’s finding its way back into the pockets of American politicians. Isn’t that the greatest concern of all of this?

Jeff Childers:

Well, I don’t know if we’ve seen how awful this is going to get yet. So I hesitate to say that something is the worst, but I think there’s a legitimate concern and independent researchers have been taking some of the DOGE data and open source data, and that’s what they’ve been arguing, is that there is a money laundering operation on a scale unprecedented in history where money’s getting funneled out of the government from taxpayers back into Democrat’s pockets. Now, I say that’s what the independent researchers are saying. I’m not saying that I haven’t done the research myself, but it is a huge concern.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah, Jeff, as a believer, why should we be offended and outraged by how this money is being used? But also I want you to address another issue, and that is that as reports come out, there are Christian organizations and leaders that have complained about these decisions because they’ve even been receiving money and some of them are humanitarian and mercy ministries, but there’s a concern even that Christians are mixed in all this stuff.

Jeff Childers:

So I don’t know if you remember, but last year Megan Basham prophetically published her book, I think it’s called Shepherds for Sale, that details the money flowing from organizations run by George Soros. And by the way, DOGE has found money going to George Soros NGOs. Why would he need taxpayer funding? But anyway, Megan, I think ripped off a very ugly bandaid and started the ball rolling. And now we’re seeing from this USAID department that DOGE started with, we’re discovering tons of money flowing to religious organizations. Now, this is from a far left progressive group of bureaucrats who hate religion. So why are they funding all these religious groups? And I have a better question for you, which is why aren’t these religious groups? And by the way, this includes evangelical organizations and prominent evangelical leaders. Why haven’t they disclosed receiving this government money? Luke 12, two and three says, there’s nothing concealed that will not be disclosed or hidden, that will not be made known. What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roof. Jamie, if what we’re seeing right now isn’t the fulfillment of Luke 12, two and three, what is

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah, exactly. And Jeff, let me just say this, that some of these organizations, they’re going to be a major course correction. This past fall, I just started digging into some of the annual reports of some of these organizations that were helping with immigration movement in our country. And some of them, their budgets were based on 60% getting government aid. And so if some of this goes away, some of these Christian organizations are going to have to go back to asking the question, look, we need God’s people providing for God’s work so that we get God’s results and that we’re not controlled by some government entity. Well, listen, we need to be good stewards and use our wealth and resources wisely and purposely and not contribute to the American debt. Now we got to get a handle on our money for sure. Now we also got to get a handle on the rule of law and dealing with lawlessness when we return. We’re going to discuss the DOJ, the FBI and all things legal happening here in the United States when we return here at Stand in the Gap today. Well, thanks for sticking with us. Jeff Childers is our guest, and I want to encourage you to go to our website, look up past episodes of Stand of the Gap when Jeff was with us. They are memorable, and I also want to encourage you to sign up for his daily email called Coffee and Covid. Jeff, how can they find you and how can they read your insights daily?

Jeff Childers:

Thanks, Jamie. I would invite everyone to check out our website@www.coffee and covid.com. That’s all one word, that’s a substack. People should be aware that if they want to subscribe with their email so they get it every day, there is a free option. It’s just because the way Substack does it, it’s last on the list. We have six days of free post Monday through Saturday, only Sunday. The Sabbath is reserved for paid subscribers who support our ministry. So thank you for giving me that opportunity to let people know

Jamie Mitchell:

You bet Jeff as a lawyer and someone who has tangled with the government over things like Covid, firsthand the Department of Injustice and the rule of lawlessness that runs through our judicial system. You must be very encouraged by Pam Bondi, your former Attorney General who is now the Attorney General of the nation. We’re hoping that Cash Patel will be the new director of the FBI. We even heard in the last day or so that Pam Bondi has filed suit against the state of New York, its governor in Leticia James to try to get at some of their shenanigans and stopping ice from taking out illegal aliens. The question I have is, can these folks bring the kind of change necessary and what change needs to happen within our judicial system?

Jeff Childers:

So there’s no doubt anymore that under the Biden administration, a two-tier justice system grew like a cancer in this country. And you saw FBI agents investigating soccer moms for criticizing school board members. You saw them arresting pro-life protesters, but ignoring cases where pregnancy support centers were vandalized or firebombed. And so there must be a huge amount of institutional corruption in those agencies from people who let that happen. Now, what we don’t know is how many good people are working there, but just we’re institutionally incapable of fighting back for one reason or another and followed orders. So there’s partisan managers that have to be perched. They’ve all got to go, and then you have to go one by one and evaluate the people who are left to see who are good constitution following law enforcement folks, and who are these partisan moles that are causing all the problems.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah, I mean, Jeff, this morning I was watching before I went on with you here, I was watching a congressional hearing about Cash Patel and Charles Grassley, the senator from Iowa. In his opening statements, he named the names of bad FBI agents. I mean, he actually gave the names and while I was sitting there, I Googled them. Well, here’s the scary thing. The three that he named have all been moved all over the country, are heading up FBI offices now elsewhere other than in Washington. It’s almost like before January 20th. They knew they better get out of town, but now these bad actors that Grassley has named are now running field offices around the country and it’s going to be a deep, deep, deep problem. Jeff, we heard a lot of whining during the election that Trump was going to seek revenge, but there must be accountability and the turning on the light on some of these bad actors and dismantling what you just mentioned there, the two tier justice system. What past failures really do need to be investigated if we’re going to gain integrity in our legal system?

Jeff Childers:

Well, I think your question includes the answer. As you know, evil only thrives in the dark, so boiling it down, what we need most of all is transparency and accountability. You may recall in 1991, after the Soviet Union fell, their new fledgling democratic government was facing its own hostile deep state. All the leftover communists in the KGB people were infused throughout government from the federal to the local levels there. And Boris Yeltsin heroically ordered the KGB archives to be open to the public. Now, they killed him for it, but it was too late. And the light, the KGB became a spent force and Russia was able to survive and transcend communism. Whenever things that are done in the darkness are revealed, then evil is vanquished For too long, we’ve let the government hide their embarrassing things under layers of classification and undefinable ambiguous terms like national security. If they say national security, then we have to shut up. What I would suggest, and I don’t know if anybody’s listening to me and they have a great plan and they’re working their plan, but if I were making a suggestion, I would say the first thing would be to make it hard to classify anything declassify as much as possible that’s already been classified. Open up America’s KGB archives, let the sun shine in, and then let’s see what we’ve got.

Jamie Mitchell:

Jeff, in that light, one of the things that’s coming down the pike here probably in the next week, if not in the next few weeks, is the revealing of the John F. Kennedy files, the Robert Kennedy files, Martin Luther files. I even saw that they’re going to look into nine 11 and other things. Some of those historical events have had most of their records and files buried now some for 50 years. Again, transparency is part of it. The excuse that there’s national security things there, probably most of the people that are in those files are dead. What value does all of that have? And if we can speculate a little bit, what kinds of stuff might be in there that would be helpful for us to know today?

Jeff Childers:

Well, again, you asked me to speculate, so I’ll speculate, and I don’t know if my speculations are any better than anybody else’s, but I believe, I would bet, I would bet a week’s salary that assuming that this stuff is disclosed and we’ll see, right? But assuming that it is finally disclosed, I think what we’re going to find is the withered hand of government in it that Kennedy’s assassin was a CIA operative, not maybe an employee of the CIA, but a contractor or a source or somebody with regular CIA contacts. That makes it very embarrassing for the CIA in which they’ve never owned up to. And I say that one, I mean that’s based on some things that we already know in some plausible inferences from what they’ve already disclosed. They just continue to deny it as a conspiracy theory while the files are sealed. So that’s what I think. I think it’s going to be stuff that’s highly embarrassing to government. I think Americans are going to be shocked and outraged that they misuse this classification system to hide from us things that are politically inconvenient and that citizens would’ve rightly demanded change in those organizations had they known about it.

Jamie Mitchell:

Jeff, when I talk to the common person who is somewhat savvy on these things, who keep up politically, what’s happening in all this here is what I hear from people, and I think this goes both Republican, democrat, Christian, non-Christian, is that no one ever goes to jail. No one ever really. Now, we were shocked this past month with Bob Menendez, the New Jersey senator is actually going to go to jail, and everybody shook their head, said, well, maybe he will be pardoned by Trump. Will we ever see anybody ever actually go to jail for their crimes, especially those who have been involved in government. And if we are going to see it, is it maybe now the time where this is such a unique time that we might see true accountability?

Jeff Childers:

So if you asked me to bet on that one, I would not bet a week’s salary that we’ll see high public officials go to jail. But there’s a lot of stuff that’s happening right now that I would’ve bet against. And let me tell you something, if I were Trump, I’d be doing exactly everything that he is doing right now before I started pursuing public officials on criminal charges. He’s got to get control, for example, of his Justice Department first. He can’t start highly politicized investigations into public officials if he can’t trust his own judgment or his own department of justice. So you could argue, you make a fair argument that if you look at the order of operations here, Trump’s working his way down the road to that. And if anybody were justified in criminally investigating public officials, it would be President Trump given what he’s been through. So he has a mandate he could do it. So I don’t know if I would bet against it either.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, we got to pray as believers that we will return to what the Apostle Paul says is the core of government praising the law keeper, punishing the law breaker when we finish up. How has President Trump done at Unworking America? I know Jeff has something to say about this. Join us for our last segment. Well, Jeff Childers has been our guest and we are giving President Trump a first month progress report. Jeff, you’ve written a lot in coffee and covid on the Wolf ification of America between DEI men and women’s sports attacking parents’ rights. It seems like Trump has taken a chainsaw to many of these idols of the left. As you look back this past month, what are two or three actions that the president has taken that has surprised you, maybe happily surprised you, but also what actions do you think will have lasting effects?

Jeff Childers:

Well, probably what surprises me the most, to be honest, is the lack of pushback. When President Trump issued his January 20th executive orders on day one, I mean he tore the heart out of DEI again, it was so strategic and so well thought through that they couldn’t attack it because he just ordered all his federal agencies to DDEI, the entire federal government. They had to take down any webpage to referenced it. They had to get it out of their policies and procedures and all DEI staff were terminated or put on administrative leave, which is the first step in terminating a federal employee. Now, you would think that that would raise howls of protest from the TEI advocates, but they have been unusually quiet. But buried in Trump’s orders was a provision that, or couple provisions that media hasn’t really talked about a whole lot. One is that federal purchasing guidelines have been changed to deprioritize companies that pursue DEI, the exact opposite of what it was under the Biden administration, where to get a government contract, you basically had to be in love with DEI and prove it. So that puts pressure immediately on all government contractors. And there’s a lot of government contractors including some of the biggest corporations in the world.

So we are already seeing that ripple out in waves. For example, this week, Goldman Sachs just announced that they reversed a longstanding Biden era policy where they banned any investments in companies that whose boards were only white guys. So if you didn’t have a woman or a minority on your board, Goldman Sachs brokers were not allowed to invest in your company. They reversed that this week quietly. The other thing President Trump did that was I think really going to make a huge difference is he ordered the DOJ to investigate companies with strong DEI policies to see if they’re violating people’s constitutional rights. And so if you look at the employment news sites where like employment lawyers read up on the latest developments, all they’re talking about is what they’re clients need to do, not to get sideways with the Department of Justice. So it’s already having a huge effect and the media never covers it, of course, but it’s amazing. I think if we look back at this, let’s say in 10 years or 20 years, maybe the most surprising thing is how easy it was to undo it when we got the right person in the right spot.

Jamie Mitchell:

One of the things too is, and I think as believers we have to understand this, I had a conversation with somebody the other day, is that we must not make the mistake to think that there is some biblical or theological reason that these things are changing. Again, they’re pragmatic, but they’re common sense. They hurt people. They’ve undo some maybe traditional values, which as Christians, we benefit. But even like yesterday I was reading that Disney is dropping a lot of its DEI policy, but Jeff, that could be simply because they have government contracts to have government entities come and enjoy their resorts or come to their programs or anything like that and they don’t want to miss out on the money that they potentially could be yielding. We that as well as when President Trump reversed and it was a glorious thing to watch all these young ladies and little girls wrapped around the desk and him signing, keeping men out of sports.

It wasn’t yet maybe 12 hours later that the NCAA folded and said, it’s reversing all its policies, and there’s even talk in the wind that Riley Gaines may get her trophy finally. So these decisions are not being made necessarily for philosophical, biblical theological reasons, but we do have to rejoice that these things are being reversed because they do fall in line with our values. Now, Jeff, one last thing. Let’s be realistic. President Trump has done all of these things through executive orders. If we lose the majority in Congress or we get a new president, they can be undone. What needs to happen in the next few months, especially from Congress, to make some of these things more permanent?

Jeff Childers:

So here’s what I’m looking for. Every new president gets one big legislative package. President Biden, you’ll recall got the Green New Deal, except they called it the Inflation Adjustment Act or something like that. Orwellian name. That means the opposite of what it actually does. President Trump’s going to get one too. And based on what I’ve seen that I’ve already described to you about the incredible depth of pre-planning that we have observed in all of these moves, I would be shocked if Trump’s giant legislative package is not also well planned and well thought through and long designed. So there’s a shoe that hasn’t dropped yet if you want to call President Trump’s executive orders the first shoe. The second shoe is that first legislative package that Republicans are going to give Trump. And I think everybody’s going to be shocked and astonished when they see it. That’s my guess.

Jamie Mitchell:

Jeff, I got to ask you this. Do you think anything’s going to happen to our friend Dr. Fauci before the dust settles here Completely.

Jeff Childers:

So one thing that has not happened is the conversation about Fauci has not faded into the woodwork. So Fauci ISS faded from his job at NIH. He’s retired. The establishment, gave him trophies and awards and everything, and then he went off. And we haven’t seen him in the media. That guy does not take public appearances anymore. But you know what has happened? Trump revoked his security clearance, 16 or 18 State attorneys General written the DOJ asking for investigations into whether Fauci violated state laws that happened this week or last week. So nobody’s forgotten about that man. He may have gotten a pardon from Joe Biden, but I think he’s far from out of the woods now. The guy’s, what, 81 years old will he lived to see justice? That’s only God knows the answer to that, but Fauci has no reason to relax at this point. I would be very anxious if I were his lawyer.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Elon Musk just canceled the money that was going to a museum to Anthony Fauci. Well, Jeff, it’s always a thrill to have you on Stand In the Gap. You’re certainly a listener favorite. Thank you for all you’re doing. I want to encourage our audience subscribe to Coffee and Covid, and we need to pray. Pray for President Trump, speaker Johnson, leader Thune, and most certainly pray for courage. It’s the most needed virtue right now. And so as we end every program, live and lead, encourage the church and the world need to, God bless.