Standing Firm: Talking with ACLJ about Persecuted Christians,
Israel, and Religious Liberty
May 2, 2025
Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Co-host: Pastor Matt Recker
Guest: Att. Sheharyar Gill
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 5/2/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, hello and welcome to the program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and my co-host today is Pastor Matt Recker, the pastor at Heritage Baptist Church in New York City. Matt, thanks so much for co-hosting with me today.
Matt Recker:
Oh, my pleasure, Isaac. Great to be with you.
Isaac Crockett:
And before I introduce our special guest, this is kind of a fun opportunity. We have two New Yorkers on today. I’m in New York State, almost in Pennsylvania. You’re in New York City. We do have Tim behind the scenes, our producer in Pennsylvania, but usually there’s at least one host in Pennsylvania. And so today it’s the New Yorkers contingent. And then we have our special guest attorney, Sheharyar Gill. And you’re down in Virginia. Virginia Beach. Sheheryar Gill, thanks so much for joining us today and for being willing to come on, even though it’s a couple of New Yorkers doing the interview.
Sheheryar Gill:
Thank you, Isaac. It’s an honor to be here. Well, you guys are from New York. I am originally from Lahore, sort of a similar city in,
Isaac Crockett:
Well, Lavo is even bigger than New York City. A huge cosmopolitan city. Yeah, you’re right. So we’ve got the city guys, except for me, in my case, New York State is quite different than New York City, but well, Shari, we’re so glad to have you back on Standing the Gap today. You’ve been on a number of times, you’ve been on our TV program as well, and you have been very busy. I mean, you’re always very busy, but you have been busy traveling lately, kind of all over the world. You’ve been recently, just this spring, well just a few days ago, you’ve just barely landed from getting back from Pakistan. You were in Israel and you were at the UN meeting in Switzerland advocating for Christians through the American Center for Law and Justice that you work with as the attorney there. And there’s so much going on, but could you maybe share a little bit of the overview of the urgent human rights issues that you are working so hard for and just how your faith and your worldview as a Christian has guided you seeking justice. Isaiah chapter one, verse 17, the prophet talks about the need for justice. And throughout the Bible we see God’s justice, holiness, and righteousness all working together and really how you as a Christian, why it’s so important to you to see justice not just in America. You would think A CLJ is just America, but really all over the world.
Sheheryar Gill:
Isaac. I think faith is the most important thing in what we do. Without faith in Jesus Christ, we are nothing. And just also the desire to help his church. It can only come from faith. And I think it’s important that we realize, we understand that the basis of our work, whatever we do, we do it unto the Lord, not for men, but for the Lord. So I think the first thing in our work, in our everyday is our faith, and that should shine above all. As you mentioned about my trip to Switzerland in Geneva at the United Nations, we are working there at the United Nations for the persecuted church all over the world. Primarily this trip was about highlighting persecution of Christians in India, in Pakistan and what’s going on in Israel. As you know, Israel is targeted at every level at the United Nations, and it’s important that Christians stand up for that country and really to help them defend themselves.
One of the things that we discussed at the United Nations was anti conversion laws in India where Christians are persecuted, attacked, imprisoned because of their faith. And then we also focused on blasphemy laws in Pakistan where Christians and even other minorities are persecuted because of their faith simply if they say, if they discuss religion and a Muslim is offended or in most of the cases what happens is people simply because of personal disputes, people falsely accused others of committing blasphemy. And we’re defending several Christians who are arrested and are facing trials or appeals are on death row and in prison for their faith in these blasphemy cases. So we will go into more of those things, but that’s really a general overview why I was in Geneva at the United Nations.
Matt Recker:
Thank you Sheheryar for being with us today. We really appreciate it. And thank you Isaac for setting up this program and Sheheryar, we’re just really honored to have you and we are grateful for your advocating for Christians who are facing these injustices in Pakistan and India, as well as for advocating for Israel. I wonder if you could share one story from your recent travels that has really struck you as a reminder of why this work matters. And maybe if you could, you do have a website and there is a petition people could sign help defend as well, those who are suffering injustices, maybe you could share that website as well.
Sheheryar Gill:
Yes, Matt, thank you so much. First, I think the website, ww.org, aclj.org is a great place to go and see the work that we do. We have blogs every day on the website where you can find our cases, information about them and what your listeners can do, pray and how they can support. They can sign petitions for the cases that we are involved in. And it’s ww aclj.org. One of the cases really that I think we have discussed that case at this show before is of acy. It is very close to my heart because this young man, a Christian man, he was 16 when he was accused of blasphemy. He has spent his at least eight years now in prison over a false accusation. And this case is sort of really a reminder of the struggle that Christians face all around the world and why we have to work hard and we have to be prayerful and sincere in what we do and go before these officials at the United Nations, even government officials in Pakistan to really advocate for these people.
So that case we had several meetings and this time, these meetings a whole week at the un, I was very encouraged to see even some of the Pakistani officials who were the permanent representatives at the United Nations even they were interested in at least having a dialogue, having a good conversation about these cases. I was able to communicate these cases to those officials, including the UN officials, and I hope I have faith that they seem to be really actually interested in helping. So I have communicated those cases, zas cases in particular that to these officials at the UN to the Pakistani officials at the un. And we are hoping that soon we will have some sort of outcome and some movement in some of these cases
Isaac Crockett:
If we are praying to that end that we would see movement, that we’d see things happening. Last year I was with you in Pakistan and we thought we were on the cusp of seeing SHA ad’s case go to trial. So we want to pray for him and I want you to stay tuned When we return, we want to continue to talk with Shaar and dive into deeper into some more cases like this, like Shazad, and talk about how Sheheryar the A CLJ are fighting for freedom on the global stage. Please don’t go away. We’ll be right back. Well, welcome back to our Friday program, our Stand in the Gap today program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and joining me as my co-host today is Pastor Matt Rucker and we are talking with a friend of mine, a return guest from the American Center for Law and Justice Attorney Sheheryar Gill.
Let’s go back to Pakistan. You just came back from there. You were talking about the case of Shama, a young Christian, I got to speak to him with you on the phone when I was in Pakistan, got to meet some of his family and things, but he was arrested falsely, falsely accused by somebody for something he didn’t do or say misunderstood. And even the judges realized the situation, but they ruled against him because they were scared of basically a mob of people that was threatening them. Now he’s been in prison for a huge chunk of his life. He was just a teenager when he was arrested and his case just keeps getting postponed. We’re praying that the pressure you were able to put in at the UN and Geneva on some of the folks from Pakistan will hopefully get his case to trial because if his case would go to trial at the high court, we really believe that he will be released or something good will happen. But maybe you could explain a little bit more of that. Take us back into Pakistan and explain a little bit more of the blasphemy laws. And you mentioned that they get misused. Maybe you could illustrate that a little bit more of how that works. It’s just such a foreign concept for us in a free country like America. It’s a foreign idea,
Sheheryar Gill:
Right? Isaac, you mentioned blasphemy laws. The laws were promulgated about 40 years ago in Pakistan, and they primarily protect Islam and Islamic prophets. In a nutshell, if you say anything disparaging about Islam or the Islamic prophets, you could go to jail. It’s not up to the person who speaks about Islam, it’s about the person who hears those comments, whether, and he determines whether that speech or those comments were blasphemous or offensive to Islam. A lot of that, what that does is it opens a door for false accusations. The law itself is very broad and anything that is said, let’s say even by inference or innuendo or insinuation, if it can be interpreted as blasphemous to the prophet Muhammad or Islam, that person could be charged with blasphemy and sentenced to death. Basically. There are several sections. The section that protects or talks about Prophet Muhammad speaking disparagingly against him carries the death penalty.
If you desecrate the copy of the Quran, the Islamic Holy Book, the mandatory punishment is life in prison. And if you speak disparagingly about any other Islamic prophet, the punishment is 10 years in prison. You mentioned shed’s case. He’s been sentenced to death for something that does not even constitute blasphemy for What happened was he was asked by a Muslim coworker about Christian prophets. Shazad didn’t know anything about it, and he said, he’ll ask his father and we’ll let him know. And Shazad then told this Muslim coworker that his father’s friend whose name is Ali, who is also a Muslim, he says bad words. He swears when he hears anybody that has a Muhammad in his name, this does not constitute blasphemy on Chi’s part if this other person says something that it’s his problem, but simply informing a Muslim that a third person says something disparaging about the prophet of Islam, it was offensive to this Muslim.
And he filed charges against Shazad. His trial went on for five years. He was sentenced to death. And the case is now before the high court, we have filed several applications for the court to hear the appeal. It has been scheduled several times but has been postponed. So we’re hoping after these meetings at the UN and with Pakistani officials that will see some movement. Another case is of As, and that gives you sort of the idea of how these laws are misused, as was simply arrested for allegedly posting an evidence from prior case. You remember Valla incident where 20 churches were destroyed and several Christian’s homes were also destroyed. I think it was in 2023. In that case, the mob attacked Christians in Valla after a Christian was accused of desecrating a page of the Quran. That page somehow appeared on the internet. And Assan, our client is now accused of reposting that page. Now, the police didn’t investigate, did not investigate how that page, even if Assan had posted it, how it even got to him. It was supposed to be in police custody.
But the evidence shows that the page or the post or this picture of that page was not recovered from Hassan’s phone, but still he was sentenced to death. And we have filed an appeal in that case as well. And the third case is of these two Christian brothers who were falsely accused of creating a blog with blasphemous content. Their case is at the Supreme Court. They have spent over 10 years in prison, and that case arose from a dispute with a Muslim friend. And these friends were jealous of these Christians and they falsely accused the Christian, two Christian brothers of committing blasphemy and posting that content. And now those two Christians have spent 10 years, more than 10 years in jail. And part of our work at the in Geneva was to really advocate for these individuals who are on the death row and facing death sentences in the court.
Matt Recker:
Thank you so much Shaza for sharing that. And we do ask our listeners to pray for Assan and Shazad and these two brothers, a moon and Kza. Is that their names? Is that how you say their names?
Sheheryar Gill:
A Moon and Kaiser.
Matt Recker:
Kaiser, yes. We need to pray for these young men who have been accused and also then at the UN Human Rights Council, you were advocating for Christians facing discrimination in Pakistan and India for anti conversion laws. So we were just talking about blasphemy laws and there’s also anti conversion laws are spreading and especially in India. So we’re just wondering how these laws violate religious freedoms. And if you could also add, because as I was looking at some of the articles online and reading about India and especially their leader Modi, how he gives a public persona of being a great friend of President Trump, a friend of freedom, but yet he has very strong ties to groups that are inciting violence against Christians in India. And so can you answer to that? And then what should be our response as Christians? Is there anything we can do as Christians in America regarding these anti conversion laws?
Sheheryar Gill:
Mr. Record, India has anti conversion laws in several states. I believe currently it’s at least 12 states in India that have anti conversion laws. And these laws are very broadly written like the Blasphemy law in Pakistan. These anti conversion laws are called freedom of religion laws, but they are designed to and written in a way that they only protect Hinduism from Christianity and sometimes from Islam as well. So one of the definitions is it’s basically this prohibit anyone from converting a Hindu forcibly, converting a Hindu to Christianity. Now force is defined very broadly. It defines force as a threat of divine displeasure. Now, if as a Christian, if I were to tell a Hindu that your sins will not be forgiven and you will not obtain salvation, if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ, that’s a threat of divine displeasure, then one of the definitions is forced by forcing somebody to convert by giving them some benefit.
So if I have a soup kitchen in India and I’m feeding poor Hindus, I could be charged with and trying to convert Hindus by giving them some sort of benefit. So these laws are really broadly defined. One of the aspects, the dangerous aspects is that not only people are arrested, pastors and others are arrested under these laws. People are attacked on a daily basis by Hindu extremists who are basically part of an organization that prime minister of India. Modi’s also a part of, as you mentioned, that he appears to be progressive and open-minded at the international level. But in India, he has done nothing to stop the violence against Christians. He has done nothing to change to amend these laws or to abolish these laws that are abused against, to persecute Christians. So I think as Christians, it is important that we pray for our brothers and sisters.
It’s important that we understand the reality of what’s going on. And we understand that India is a growing hotbed of Christian persecution. The 11th, there’s an organization that ranks each country in terms of Christian persecution, and it has ranked India the 11th highest country that’s at the 11th number in persecution. And they have in 2024, there were about over 600 cases of violence or false charges of conversion against Christians. That’s the level of persecution in India. And I think it’s very important that we raise a voice, a unified voice against India and really pressure the Indian government to abolish these laws.
Isaac Crockett:
Talk about that when we come back. Well, welcome back to our program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and Pastor Matt er joining me today as we talk with attorney Sheheryar Gill from ACL J. If you heard a little bit of a glitch at the end of our last segment, that was just the technicalities working with a radio program here. Hopefully you can hear me better now. And we were talking, it reminds me of Hebrews 13 verse three, where the writer of Hebrews tells us that we should remember those who are in bonds or in chains as if we were bound with them and to pray for those in adversity. And we want to be praying for those brothers and sisters in Christ all over the world. And Sharia, we’re so thankful for what you’ve done in trying to present their cases at the un, but you’re also involved in defending Israel at the International Criminal Court. This is another type of court and some of your friends have called what’s going on against Israel. You’ve called it instead of warfare, lawfare with legal attacks aimed at Israel, trying to delegitimize them. Can you explain kind of what’s going on and what’s at stake in these cases before the ICC and why you at the ACL J, why you’re taking such a strong stand to defend Israel?
Sheheryar Gill:
I think there’s a strong campaign going at the international level, at the United Nations, at the ICC, at the International Court of Justice, the ICJ to Demonize Israel. And that’s through the law affair to advance so many campaigns. It doesn’t matter whether Israel is acting unlawfully or not, but Israel is accused of acting unlawfully and then therefore, everybody starts believing it. Everybody starts talking about it, the media starts talking about it, the media repeats it again and again, the international community hears it. And then basically at the international stage, Israel is demonized. One of the things that we’ve been working on at the International Criminal Court is the issue of arrest warrants and the jurisdiction of the ICC to whether it can exercise jurisdiction over Israeli officials. We have filed numerous petitions. We have filed numerous legal briefs with the International Criminal Court basically arguing that ICC does not have jurisdiction over Israel because Israel is not a party to the Rome statute that created the ICC.
Now, the ICC has basically made several wrong decisions in this case. And the first being, considering Palestine as a state, only states can become parties to the Rome statute. And the court, the ICC basically said that we will consider Palestine a state for the purposes of the Rome statute, so therefore it becomes a state party. Now, once as soon as they did that, they start presuming things that, okay, now, even though the question of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank is not decided, it’s a disputed territory and we believe it belongs to Israel. But the ICC simply presumes that its Palestinian territory and therefore it has jurisdiction in those territories. And based on those faulty presumptions, the ICC then issued arrest warrants against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and their defense minister Gallant. So we as the A CLJ through our affiliate European Center for Law and Justice in Strasburg, France that has a special consultative status with the United Nations, we are able to participate in these proceedings and file legal arguments to defend Israel.
Matt Recker:
Thank you so much for sharing these things. And of course our listeners are familiar with the great promise that God made to Abraham way back where he said, I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse of thee. And scripture says that and it means it. So how do you see your legal efforts with the International criminal court or against them aligning with this biblical promise and what challenges are you facing encountering these global narratives of demonizing Israel over these things?
Sheheryar Gill:
Pastor Ecker, I’ll start with the challenge that we face often at the international level is at the UN or these international organizations like the ICC or ICJ is really the lack of legal analysis and a blind faith or blindly basically accepting UN officials in when they accuse Israel of wrongdoing. For example, there’s a recent report by the United Nations Commission of Inquiry, which was created by the Human Rights Council and it accuses Israeli forces of sexual violence during the war. Now when we hear about the words sexual violence, we’re thinking about rape and abuse, and the commission’s entire report does not have even one example of rape. So even though there’s no examples, no evidence of Israeli soldiers committing sexual violence because of that report, because the title says that Israel is committing sexual violence, everybody then starts talking about it. Everybody simply presumes that the report is truthful and it’s making these outlandish claims that everybody believes.
For example, amnesty International gave a statement that Israel is committing violence because of the human Rights Council’s Commission of Inquiries report and baseless allegations. So what we do is we look at those reports and we basically create responses. We go through the reports, look at the law, look at the facts, and then provide a response to these reports. And as Christians, as believers, it is very important to speak, stand up for truth, I believe. And in the international community or the United Nations, the weak cannot speak. So as Christians, we stand in their place. For example, these Christians like Shi and Asan and a Moon, they cannot speak for themselves. They’re behind the bars, they’re in prison. So we stand in their place and raise voices on their behalf. So as Christians, I think it’s very important that we stand up for them. We stand up for the truth, and every time the UN or these commissions of inquiry make false accusations, we call out on them, call out, and then we tell them, we tell the world that they are, they’re not truthful
Isaac Crockett:
Quickly. And I want to get into this where these two things, Christians being persecuted and Israel being liable and falsely accused where they come together. But real quickly, you mentioned the sexual violence that was reported and you said there was no cases of it. Can you explain what they were talking about? Like the limited access to doctors at a hospital or something they were trying to equate to being sexual violence? Can you explain that?
Sheheryar Gill:
Right. Under international law, sexual violence during wartime includes rapes, forced sterilizations, forced pregnancies, those kinds of crimes. Now, what the Commission of Inquiry has alleged is none of those things, but it says when Israel bombed a hospital that has a maternity ward, and regardless of whether the hospital was being used by Hamas for military purposes, if Israel bombed that hospital, that is reproductive violence because now women will be disadvantaged. They won’t be able to go to the hospital, therefore, that’s reproductive violence for then. Another example it gives is women not having sanitary pads is a form of sexual violence.
A woman who is not able to produce breast milk because of the stress of the war, that’s also sexual and reproductive violence. Now these instances, these examples are sad result of war, A war that was brought upon by Hamas, not Israel. Hamas carried out sexual violence. They brutally raped Israeli women, they cut their body parts. They were body parts, bodies and dead bodies and pools of blood lying on Israeli streets. That’s sexual violence. And yet the Commission of Inquiry accuses Israel of committing sexual violence because the roads now that were destroyed during the war that lead to the hospital are destroyed and therefore women can’t get to the hospital and therefore that’s reproductive violence. So these are very farfetched accusations which don’t constitute sexual violence even remotely. So the commission is basically disingenuous. It is disgraceful that it makes these kind of accusations and make it sound like sexual and reproductive violence.
Isaac Crockett:
Okay. Well, so that was very helpful. I like what you said about the weak cannot speak, we just have less than a minute. Could you just talk a little bit about that, whether it’s representing falsehoods against Israel or representing those behind bars. Could you just maybe say a little bit more about that 35 seconds here?
Sheheryar Gill:
Yes. I think when we go to the un, for example, when we speak on behalf of Israel, when we speak on behalf of Christians persecuted in India or Pakistan, I think there is an impact, there’s a need for that. And I would say there’s an urgent need for that because nobody else is doing that. Not many people are doing what we do at the A CLJ and speak on behalf of those who cannot speak for themselves. And again, as Christians, we are required. It’s an obligation to speak for the persecuted.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, Shari, I want to thank you so much for what you are doing. Standing for the truth, standing for persecuted Christians, we want to be praying for the aclj, go to aclj.org. We’re going to take a quick time out, hear from some more of our partners, and we want to come back with some more questions for Sheheryar . Well welcome back to our program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett, and my co-host today is Pastor Matt Recker. We’re talking with attorney Sheheryar Gill from the American Center for Law and Justice, ACL J. Very different group than the A CLU and many of Jay Selo and his son Jordan Selo that they try to stand for a biblical worldview and for justice and righteousness and Sheheryar, you’re working with them all over the place at the UN and overseas. And what we’ve been talking about today, it reminds me of what Paul wrote in Romans five, starting in verse three about how our tribulations and our difficulties knowing that tribulation worketh patience, he says, and he goes on and describes.
So that patience brings us to hope so that we’re not ashamed because the love of God is in our hearts and it’s there through the Holy Spirit that indwells us. And as we’re coming to the end of this program, you brought up, for example, Shazad Masi and his situation. And I have seen firsthand in talking with some of his family and things, and you’ve shown me and you talked about it on this program before, that by being behind bars, being on death row, he has actually been discipled now by some of these other Christians that you’re talking about. And he has grown spiritually as a result of being sentenced to death. How did these examples in your mind, the work you’re doing, what kind of resilience are you seeing in Christians as the word of God is able to go forth even behind bars?
Sheheryar Gill:
So our three clients in blasphemy cases, Shazad Asan and a Moon are confined in the same prison. They’re all on death row, sentenced to death for over false accusations of blasphemy. One of them Shazad, when he was arrested, he had no knowledge about religion. And the interesting thing is, and I mean a godly thing and how God works, is that this young man now has learned more about the Bible, has now learned more about God in prison. They do the Bible study, they are a witness to their fellow prisoners who are not Christians. They’re also witness to the prison guards who are 24 7 with them surrounding them and through their behavior, these Christians are really witnessing Christ.
Isaac. One a few years ago I went to Pakistan to meet some of our clients and conduct some work there. And I was at that time thinking, when I meet their families and these prisoners, maybe I’m an encouragement to them that I’m standing for them and we fight their cases. But when I met them and I saw their resilience, it changed my whole perspective. I realized that no, no, they are an encouragement to me, to my faith. It increases my faith and it gives me me more encouragement when I see them persevering even in the situation that they’re in. So it’s an encouragement to me to stand up for them, to speak for them, and they are the ones who give me strength, not the other way around. So I think that’s, as Christians, we all can relate to that, how God works in our lives.
Matt Recker:
Sure. I hope if I ever get in a situation like these young men are in that I have legal counsel and help, such as they have someone like you. So thank you for what you’re doing. If I could just back up to one thing you said and then ask another question. You were talking about how Israeli forces were accused wrongly of sexual violence. And from my understanding, correct me if I’m wrong, but on October 7th there was some severe sexual violence done against Jewish people. Is that true? And has that ever been dealt with at all in any kind of international criminal court? And then lastly, the other court, if you could just tie that in with how can we then pray for you where we will definitely keep these young men that you’re defending in prayer, but how else can we pray for the work of the A CLJ for persecuted Christians as well as for Israel and religious liberty around the world?
Sheheryar Gill:
Mr. Er, you’re absolutely correct. On October 7th, there were Hamas terrorists from Gaza killed 1200 people. Israelis in Israel, they raped, they butchered people. They committed horrific acts of sexual violence that has not been dealt other than the fact that it started the war. And unfortunately, even the innocent people have lost their lives. But that’s the cost of war. Now at the the Hamas officials, Hamas terrorists get a slap on their wrist, human rights commissions, reports, the Commission of Inquiries reports. They have a one paragraph about Hamas, their crimes and the entire reports about Israel. So there’s no ethical standard that these organizations have in order to determine and investigate these issues. So you’re absolutely right, Hamas committed crimes, nothing happened, and Israel is not even committing any crimes, and Israel is being falsely accused of horrific acts of violence. Now, what can we do for Israel, for Shazad, for asan, these cases in Pakistan, Anti conversion laws in India?
I would encourage everyone to go to aclj.org and first I think get to know about these individuals, get to know about their situations. And then I would appreciate if the listeners could pray for them, pray for our team in Pakistan, pray for our team in Strasburg, people who go to the un, people who go to Pakistan and fight for these cases. We need prayers from our brothers and sisters. And the third thing that can be done is support in any way you can. Once you read these stories, there are ways to support the ACL J. There are ways to sign petitions about these cases. Those are very important. And that those petitions, signatures, that we can take to the un, that we can say, look how many people are interested in this issue? How many people pray for it? How many people are demanding that justice be done? So these are some practical ways that our listeners can engage with these A CLJ to help these Christians.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, thank you for that. That is actually a so helpful, Matt, you were looking@theaclj.org and reading some of these articles. I would just be curious, as we just have about a minute to wrap up, I’d just be curious what your thoughts are and then if you have time, you could close our program in prayer.
Matt Recker:
Yeah, thank you Isaac and Sheheryar again, it’s been a real blessing to hear the things you’re going through. And we do have an office, it’s not a large office, but we have an office very close to the United Nations, and there are about eight different consulates of different countries in the building where we own an office here. So if there’s anyone from the A CLJ that ever needs just a little landing spot or somewhere to meet someone or just come and rest, maybe you feel free to give them my name and information. We’re happy to help them. But yeah, so Isaac, is it okay if I just close with the word of prayer?
Isaac Crockett:
Yeah. Oh, that’d be great. Yeah,
Matt Recker:
Yeah. Okay. So, Lord God, we thank you for Sheheryar and his work with the ACL J. We pray for them, Lord, that you would give them wisdom as a team, as they work against these different laws in different nations, such as the blasphemy laws and these anti conversion laws that we have discussed in this program. God, we pray that these laws would be put down. We pray that freedom would rule in reign in India, Pakistan, and around the world. We pray, Lord, for justice, even in this international criminal court and where there seems to be a two-tiered system of justice, that there will be true justice there. Lord, we committed all to you, father, and we praise you in Jesus’ name. Amen.
Isaac Crockett:
Amen. Amen. Well, thank you, Matt for that prayer. Thank you so much for the work you’re doing. Thank you for sharing it with us. Everyone listening. Please pray for what’s going on. Until next time, stand in the gap wherever you are today.
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