Preventing Pain in the Pulpit: Interims and Sabbaticals
June 3, 2025
Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell
Guests: Rich McCarrell, Matt Hickok
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 6/3/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, welcome again to another program of Stand in the Gap. Today I am your host, Jamie Mitchell, the director of church culture at the American Pastors Network. Well, it’s the beginning of June, which means the days are longer, school is over, swimming pools are open, and we’re all planning our vacations. It’s also a time of year that many people change jobs, which could mean they’re moving somewhere and summer can be a major time of transition for a lot of people. Well, with that in mind, it might be that your church is facing some transition. Many churches are looking for pastors and many pastors are looking to leave their churches, and because of that, the people of God may be considering leaving their church and we don’t want to see that occur. There seems to be a lot of turmoil and turnover and travail and things happening in churches today.
And the question is, when those things happen, how do we respond and what options do we have as churches and church leaders? How do we keep the ministry moving forward? And even though it might be summer and a lot of people take breaks from their routines, Sunday always arrives every seven days and a church needs a preacher in the pulpit. And today we want to answer some of those things on Standing the Gap. Today we want to discuss the whole idea of transition in churches and what to do to prevent pain in the pulpit. Specifically, we want to discuss when a pastor leaves why an interim pastor may be exactly what the doctor orders for your church. And then the second half of our program, I want to discuss the idea of providing a sabbatical for your pastor and the potential of revitalizing your pastor and thus avoiding him from wanting to leave and sparing the church of having to seek a new pastor. My guess for Segment one and two is Rich McCarroll. He is the director of IMI and SOS Ministries. That’s Interim Ministries Incorporated and Serving Our Servants. This ministry connects seasoned pastors with churches who need shepherding guidance while they’re looking for a new pastor. Rich, my brother, thank you so much and welcome to Stand In the Gap.
Rich McCarrell:
Thank you, Jamie. Great to be with you, honor and blessed to be here. God’s blessings on you.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, rich, let’s get right into today because we got a lot to talk about these first two segments, the idea of an interim pastor. In most cases, a pastor leaves a church and the first thing the church does is just try to find somebody to fill the pulpit and then they form a search committee. And having talked to a lot of churches, they don’t realize how long it may take them or even the work that it’s going to be needed to find a new pastor. And sadly, most laypeople don’t know what to do. Can you help our listeners understand what is an interim pastorate and why could that be a strategic thing for their church to consider?
Rich McCarrell:
Well, Jamie, Pastors leave a church for a variety of reasons. Some are good reasons, some are difficult reasons. When the pastor leaves the church, church leadership and the laity are often challenged with trying to maintain consistent weekly ministry and determining the next steps forward can be a very intimidating time. And an interim pastor or a transitional pastor can really make that a profitable time because we like to look at that as being a time for unity for a church to reevaluate their core values and their missions and vision without having to worry about who’s going to be in the pulpit this Sunday or next Sunday. And you have leadership so busy trying to fill the pulpit with pulpit supply that they don’t have a time to reevaluate. So when we put an interim pastor in there, transitional pastor, he is there to preach to marry, to bury, to basically be the pastor, which allows the leadership to pull back, take a breath, reevaluate their values, their mission, their vision, where they want to be in the next 10 years.
Secondly, it also allows the leadership to receive some counsel from the interim pastor. All of the men we use have a minimum of 25 years in ministry, so they’ve seen probably just about all there is to see. Third, it’s a time where the interim or transitional pastor can focus the people’s hearts on the word of God, draw the people to the word of God for encouragement and healing and growing. He is there to present a balanced diet. If you have a church that’s just popping from pulpit supply to pulpit supply Sunday to Sunday, you’re going to get a lot of repetition. You’re going to have different emphasis. You’re not really going to have a balanced consistent diet and interim pastor week by week by week and gets to know the needs of the people and is able to magnify the ministry of the word and the balanced way.
And then fourth, not only unity and counsel and focus on the word, but the fourth one is the interim helps the church. And I think this is so important, helps the church leadership to make any changes that they need to make before they start looking for the next man that God is preparing to be their pastor. We like to tell young pastors, the first three to five years you go to a church, don’t make any major changes. Just get to know the people. Let’s get to know you, grow and trust of them and also them to you. And in order to do that, then you’ve got to have the leadership make any necessary changes before the new pastor comes in. And so an interim period allows the church to do that. So those are probably the four basic key reasons why we really encourage churches to call in an interim pastor, transitional pastor so that the church, as we say the interim prepares the church to call their next pastor while God is preparing the heart of their next pastor to come and to be their pastor. And then in God’s time, he brings them all together.
Jamie Mitchell:
Rich, we have about a minute until we got to take a break, but the other thing you said something that I want to follow up on. When you lose a pastor, you go through a grieving as a church, having an interim there allows the people to grieve until the new guy come. Isn’t that the case?
Rich McCarrell:
Totally. And in fact, we have one of our interims that specializes in literally a grieving church. He has served in three interims where the pastor died suddenly while he was pastoring. And so across the Midwest, this man has gone in his interim and literally ministered to a church that was grieving the actual homegoing of their pastor. But that’s very true. And the interim goes in and the interim basically goes in, raises his hand and says, folks, there’s no need to panic. I’m here. And he brings stability and comfortableness and encouragement to the people to lets them work through their previous pastor leaving and then lets them be properly prepared and hardened mind for the next pastor That’s coming.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, we still have much to cover on this topic of having an interim at your church and I don’t want you to be shortsighted. I don’t want you to think you got to run out and quickly find a pastor for your church if you’re missing one right now. So stay with us and we’re going to continue to look at this idea of an interim pastor helping a church make a transition. That’s our topic for today on Stand in the Gap today. Well welcome back. We’re talking about churches in transitions, how to help them and specifically encouraging them to consider an interim Pastor Rich McCarroll from Interim Ministries Incorporated is our guest rich. If a church decided to move forward and find an interim, what kinds of things must they consider and what is unique about having an interim pastor?
Rich McCarrell:
Second thing, first, the uniqueness is you are getting a man with incredible experience. At least our men have at least 25 years of experience. So you are getting a specialist who can come in and help your church work through any issues they have, but we will work through a church to see specifically what their needs are and a church needs to decide do we need a full-time interim? Do we need a part-time interim or a halftime interim or a third, do we just need a commuter interim? It may be that they have other staff that can do the other things the senior pastor was doing and they just need a good man in the pulpit Sunday after Sunday and to be there over the weekend to provide any counselor wisdom they may need. And then after the type, then we ask them to determine the length of time and we say the minimum is six months and the maximum is one year, so it’s anytime within their now they can renew.
We have some churches that renew that have renewed a couple of times and have had an interim for two or three years, but the reason we put a limit on there that they have to renew every year is a lot of churches fall in love with our interims because they’re shepherds and their men with experience, and we want to keep the church on the look for their next pastor and not create a situation where they’re comfortable with the interim. So basically the type full-time, part-time or commuter, and then the length of time anywhere from six to 12 months.
Jamie Mitchell:
And rich, that brings up an interesting point where you talk about the interim, the people falling in love with them and all that. We want that to happen. We want the people of God to love and appreciate and trust their shepherd, but that can become a problem with that in mind and not all interims work out and there are potential pitfalls. Can you suggest two or three things to put in place to make sure a church engages in interim well and doesn’t get themselves into a jam?
Rich McCarrell:
Absolutely. I think it’s extremely important for the church and the interim to have clear written and I mean written clear, written mutually agreed upon expectations of the interim pastor’s role, the church, the church leadership, the interim. They need a clear outline of the role that the interim is going to fill. Each church is going to have different expectations and needs. One size does not fit all. We pride ourselves in really being an a la carte type of ministry. We work individually with each individual church. We do not have one size fits all and we actually enter into a written signed contract between the church and our associate that spells out the roles, the expectations, the needs. It just really identifies what the church’s expectations of the interim is and what the interim’s expectations of the church is, and that provides something that is incredibly beneficial to both the interim as well as the church and helps with stability and keeps the church looking for the next pastor, but also allows the interim and the people in the church to have a great, great time of ministry and service together.
Jamie Mitchell:
Rich, I’ve encountered and interacted with church leaders where the pastor has left and initially these lay leaders, they jump in and they start filling the gaps and working and taking care of the things the pastor did, but it’s not too far into that that they start to realize that they drowning and it’s hard to keep their head above water. You’ve seen that with churches. You can empathize with a lay leader. There may be some listening today. What word do you have for them as they’re listening today and they’re feeling that pressure of having to pick up after a pastor has left?
Rich McCarrell:
I think it’s incredibly important for a church not to do that. That’s what I think is the vital of an interim, a transitional pastor. Not only have we seen that with lay people in a church, we’ve also seen that with multi staff churches, you have some large churches and say, we don’t really need to bring in an interim, so we’ll just have all of our assistant pastors just sort of give a certain percentage of their time to doing what the senior pastor did. Well, what happens is all of the assistant pastors ministries that they’re responsible for begins to suffer because they’re being pulled away from their ministry as they give part of their time and attention to the needs of the lead pastor. Instead of calling in an interim pastor and allow that interim pastor to do those responsibilities, one of the foundational verses that provide a foundation to our ministry is numbers Chapter eight.
We often hear people say, retirement’s not in the Bible. It is in the Bible. It’s in numbers chapter eight, when the Levitical priest got to a certain age, they were to retire from the everyday service in the tabernacle, but they were to help the younger rabbis coming up. And that is why we look at this and say, we have a plethora across the country of retired men, 60 and up 25 years at least in the ministry. They still have vitality, they still have their health, they still want to be involved, but they’ve gotten to a certain age where the 24 7 pressure has gotten to them. So just like the Levitical priests who got to a specific age at numbers eight, they have retired not just to sit back and take it easy, but to specifically go into churches and mentor assistant pastors while they serve as the interim pastor and Mary and Barry and stabilized churches and help that church be prepared during this time to call a new senior pastor. They’re anxious to serve. Our men are anxious to serve. They love to serve. We have a man who serves with us now, Jamie, he’s 84 years old, he’s had 10 interims and he is as healthy as you and I, just excited to serve.
Jamie Mitchell:
Rich. Just quickly, I know a church sometimes thinks to themselves when a pastor goes, this is a great chance for us to take his salary and save money and we won’t spend it on an interim, but in some respects they’re being shortsighted and they may pay later. Can you just speak to that issue for just a second?
Rich McCarrell:
Sure. Absolutely. Bad thing to do, even when an interim comes in, let’s say it’s a commuter interim, so you’re not paying him as much as your senior pastor as you were paying your senior pastor, but we tell churches, leave the full budgeted amount for a full senior pastor in your budget because if you don’t, when the new senior pastor comes in, the people haven’t been challenged to give over that time because they’re thinking, oh, look at all this money we’re saving. New senior pastor comes in and all of a sudden you’re back to a full budget and you’re falling short because the people are not used to giving how much they needed to give to meet the needs of the church, and therefore the new senior pastor comes in, the budget is coming up short and people start looking around and saying, Hey, we got problems here. You really don’t have problems. The thing is you just weren’t challenged, you just weren’t challenging your people to give what they need to give for a full budget during the time when you had an interim pastor. So don’t diminish the budget at all during that time.
Jamie Mitchell:
Hey, rich, before we end the segment, can you share how churches and church leaders could connect with IMI and what they can expect from working with you?
Rich McCarrell:
Sure. First of all, our website is all lowercase. imios.org. Imios.org. Our phone number is 797-9990. Our email is simply office@imisos.org. We like to say a church in need contacts us. We will walk them through every step of what they need to do. I think every week we get calls from churches and our office administrator passes emails on to me or messages from our phone and we call the church and we just talk through what are your needs, what are you looking for, what are your expectations? We handle the rest and talking you through every step, finding a man that’s in your geographical area who can step in there as interim transitional pastor.
Jamie Mitchell:
And if there are pastors out there, Rich, that might see this as a future in the later stages of their ministry, they should do the same and reach out and start having a dialogue with you as well. Is that right?
Rich McCarrell:
Absolutely. We are always recruiting. So I would say to them, if that 24 7 pressure is getting much, but you still want to preach and love people, give us a call. Read numbers chapter eight and give us a call. And some of your best days may be ahead. One of our interim’s wives said, being a pastor is like being a father. You got to do all of the work, but being an interim is like being a grandfather. You just preach the word, love the people and they all love you. And so give us a call any pastor out there that is looking at doing this in the next stage of their lives.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, Rich McCarroll, thank you for sharing with us. Thank you for the good work you’re doing. But there’s another aspect of IMI and that’s their sabbatical ministry. We’re going to be joined with a pastor who shepherds pastors and gives them a break so they can regroup and revive. We don’t want them to leave their churches, but they need some refreshment. Come back. We’re going to be talking about sabbaticals for pastors here at Stand In the Gap today. Well, thanks for sticking with us today. We’re looking at churches in transition and we’ve been introduced to the idea of interim pastors during our first two segments and how to help your church navigate when the pulpit’s empty and the pastor leaves. But what if you could avoid that? What if you could avoid the pastor leaving and maybe finding a way to encourage them or strengthen them or give them a break so they can renew and refresh their ministry? The term being used in churches today more and more is allowing them to take a sabbatical. It’s the idea of allowing pastors an extended time away from ministry with the plan to return. However, for that to happen, someone must fill in and care for the ministry and fill the pulpit in their absence. Matt Hickok is a pastor or God laid on his heart to literally hit the road with his wife and provide sabbatical coverage for pastors. Matt, what a joy to have you on Stand In the Gap today.
Matt Hickok:
Jamie, it’s our honor to be on Standing the Gap. Thank you for having us.
Jamie Mitchell:
Well, Matt, when I heard about what you and your wife are doing, it so resonated with my heart. I know that many pastors would have benefited from an extended break from ministry to clear their head, get some rest, spent extended time with their family and form a new vision for their present ministry. Yet the church doesn’t have the resources. Matt, tell our audience why you decided to do this and who is it that you’re really attempting to serve? Who’s the focal point of your help?
Matt Hickok:
Yeah, that’s an excellent question. Thank you for asking it. I’ve served as a lead pastor for 12 years and back in 2020, our church allowed me to take a sabbatical and I came back from my sabbatical refreshed, but I looked around at my colleagues and went, A lot of these guys need a sabbatical more than I did, and they can’t get one either because there’s not the people in the church to be able to cover or the church doesn’t have the finances to cover one. So my wife and I discussed it and we said we need to look around and see whether or not there is anyone else that is out there providing no cost sabbatical coverage to churches, and if there’s not, maybe that’s something that we should do. So we did some research and couldn’t find anyone doing it, and we decided to start sabbatical missions.com. In doing so, what we offer is we offer two to three months of no cost sabbatical coverage. Our supporters pay us, and the church continues to pay the pastor while they go on leave and get that refreshment that they need.
Jamie Mitchell:
Matt, you really do focus on helping small churches. Isn’t that the case?
Matt Hickok:
For the most part, yes. We ask in our application, which when a pastor applies for a sabbatical, it only takes about five minutes and they can find it on sabbatical missions.com underneath the plan, your sabbatical tab. It takes about five minutes to apply, and we have different categories on there dependent on what size their church is. So we just launched this mission back in October and we’ve had 17 churches apply in 11 different states across nine different denominations, and those churches have ranged anywhere from 25 people to over 300 people. But the reality is that it is those smaller churches in particular that we’re trying to target because they’re ones that don’t have the resources to be able to give their pastor a sabbatical. If it’s a larger church, we’re happy to work with them and try to find someone local to them, a retired pastor, or maybe even work something out in their congregation and help them with a sabbatical plan. But it’s really those small church pastors that we want to specifically target because so many things are built for large churches, but very few things are built for small churches.
Jamie Mitchell:
Matt, when you and Betsy go in and you come around that you serve in these churches and the pastor and his wife, and maybe even sometimes the whole family gets a break when they’ve come back, what kinds of things have they said to you of what that has meant to them?
Matt Hickok:
That’s such a great question. We just actually received some communication from the pastor’s wife of this church, and she just said that it had been a huge blessing to them, to their family, to their marriage, and we actually listened to yesterday was Pastor Floyd Hughes first Sunday back in the pulpit after we finished giving him a sabbatical and he was just fired up and he brought a new vision for the church, and he was just incredibly thankful for us and for our ministry. Some of the blessings that we get are just completely unexpected things. Like for example, we start talking to a pastor even before we’ve gone through the whole application and contract process and everything, and it just sometimes gives them a light at the end of the tunnel. A couple different times this year, I’ve talked to pastors and I’ve said, Hey, we’re all full for 2025, but I might be able to squeeze you into 2026 or 2027.
And they just simply come back to me and say, I don’t think I can make it to 2026, which is an incredibly difficult thing to hear, but if we can give them a light at the end of the tunnel and say, we might not be able to get you now, but if we can get you down the road, a lot of times if you have a goal and a timeline to look at, you can push through to reach that time. And ultimately, our goal is to keep good pastors in their churches longer. That’s the whole point of us coming in to give them a sabbatical.
Jamie Mitchell:
Matt, one of the things that I don’t think church members and lay leaders fully understand is a sabbatical isn’t just like an extended vacation. We really want to encourage pastors if they take a sabbatical to make it a profitable time and to do some things that they normally wouldn’t get to do. What kinds of things would you encourage pastors to do while they’re on sabbatical?
Matt Hickok:
Well, that’s an excellent question too. You’re just hitting all the right questions today. This is great. So first of all, every pastor’s sabbatical is going to be different based on what their needs are. We give them some ideas that they can structure their sabbatical around, but we don’t actually dictate what their sabbatical has to look like. Now, that being said, you wouldn’t believe the number of pastors that we’ve talked to who have said the only time that they spend time in the word of God is in order to produce something to produce the next sermon, the next Sunday school lesson, the next Bible study or something like that. So one of the most important components to them getting a sabbatical, a quality sabbatical is that they’re going to spend some time reconnecting with the Lord, and then we want them to reconnect with their family and things like that.
Some of them may have a project that the Lord has laid on their heart, a writing project or a research project or something like that, and they just can’t get to it because of the demands of the everyday ministry and giving them a sabbatical opens up that opportunity for them to spend some significant quality time working on whatever that might be. But the reality of it is that when most pastors go on sabbatical, they honestly don’t even stop thinking about the ministry for the first three weeks or so. And because of that, we encourage them at the beginning of their sabbatical just to get some rest and try to disconnect from the everyday responsibilities that professional ministry in.
Jamie Mitchell:
Yeah, because if you’re listening today and you’re a church attender and this idea of giving your pastor a sabbatical comes up, please don’t think this is just letting them have off so they can go do nothing. As pastors, there are times where we want to do extra study or work on a project or maybe even take a class or go visit other churches or go visit other pastors or maybe just sit and be a part of a conference that they’re not having to be in charge of. But so many times when we’re serving in ministry, a funeral comes up or a crisis comes up, or as I always say, it’s a terrible thing, but Sunday shows up every seven days, and so you have to perform and produce an extended period of time really would help. But churches sometimes can’t afford it or they don’t have the vision for it.
And the other thing is the pastor has a hard time asking for it because in some respects it seems very self-serving. When we come back in our last segment, I want Matt to just talk a little bit more about when a pastor goes on sabbatical, some things he needs to agree on and some things that the church needs to agree on so that it becomes a profitable thing both for the church and for the minister and his family because we want these pastors to stay and be revived and refreshed and a new vision so that we can continue having strong churches across the country. We’re talking about how to provide a sabbatical for pastors here at Stand of the Gap today. Well, as we come to a close today, we’ve been discussing churches in transition, whether it’s a church that has a vacant pulpit and it needs an interim pastor, or when a pastor himself just needs a break.
Matt Hickok directs the sabbatical ministry of IMI. We had Rich McCarroll on the first half. Matt, I want to talk about the elephant in the room. I have heard that after a sabbatical, a lot of times a pastor will leave their church and it kind of leaves a bad taste in the church’s mouth, or worse when he returns something has happened at the church and all of a sudden they ask the pastor to leave and they get rid of them. Now both are not the outcomes that we hope for when we provide a sabbatical. Let’s first deal with the church. When a church offers a sabbatical, what do they need to agree to towards the pastor?
Matt Hickok:
Sure, that’s a great question. We look at a sabbatical as a two way love gift between the congregation and the pastoral family. So the congregation is saying to the pastoral family, pastor, we want you to be here, but we understand that you could use a break. And in the same way the pastoral family is saying to the congregation, we love you and we want to be here, but we really need some in order to do the ministry to the best of our ability. So when a church agrees to a sabbatical, it’s really a love gift in both directions. But what we ask for is we sign a contract with the church, and like I said, sabbatical missions.com doesn’t ask for any type of monetary compensation, but we do sign a contract with the church, and there’s three aspects to that contract. The first one is we want to make sure that we agree on the dates that the sabbatical is going to happen.
The second one is we ask the pastor to agree to come back to the church for at least two years after the sabbatical. And there’s several different pieces to why we do that. But the most important thing is what we’re trying to do is keep good pastors in their churches longer. There are a lot more good churches looking for pastors than there are good pastors looking for churches. So we want to keep the good ones in the churches that they’ve been faithfully serving. And then the third part is Rich mentioned the IMI statement of Faith and that statement of faith. We ask the church to agree that that statement of faith can be taught in their church. Now, there is a little wiggle room there. They can either accept the IMI statement of Faith in full, or they can accept it with the following exceptions, and then they delineate what those exceptions are. And if they’re minor doctrinal things like end times things or something like that, then we may be able to come to an agreement anyway. But if they say something like, you can’t teach that the Bible is the word of God or that Jesus is the only way of salvation, then when that contract goes back to Rich McCarrell’s desk, he’s going to deny that request for a sabbatical. So those are the three things. Dates, the agreement that the pastor’s going to come back for two years, and then the statement of faith portion.
Jamie Mitchell:
Matt, as you get to talk to some of these pastors, obviously you get to engage with them and coach them a bit. What kinds of things do you tell them in regards to taking a sabbatical? I mean, I’ve talked to pastors who actually took sabbaticals and using it as an exit ramp to get out of the church. And again, we don’t want to see that happen, but how do we help a pastor not think that way?
Matt Hickok:
So at least for us, the part of the contract where they’re agreeing to come back to the church for two years, it’s a big wake up call for them to go, okay, do I want to stay in this church? Do I want to agree to being here for another two years? Because if they’re not going to agree to that part, then our conversation is basically over as far as the opportunity to give them a sabbatical. But we want them to take a two to three month sabbatical, and during that time, we want them to refresh. We want them to reconnect with God and with their family. We want them to refocus. But then the last piece of that is we want them to come back to the church ready to reengage. So they’re going to come back to the church knowing everything that they’ve learned in their time at the church, but actually being refreshed enough to be able to do something about it. And that’s really our hope. So we coach them, get enough rest that you’re ready to reengage by the time you get to the end of this.
Jamie Mitchell:
I guess the other thing too is with you coming in, having a pastoral experience, but also being there to serve this pastor and their family, you’re able to talk with the leaders that are there, talk with the people, and look, every church has their complaints or their concerns or their missed expectations. It really gives you a chance to minister to the church and help them understand their pastor as well, isn’t it?
Matt Hickok:
That’s very true. We actually, we do so much more than just pulpit, Phil, because we fully engage into the ministry. We try to the best of our ability to cover all aspects of the pastor’s ministry. So not just preaching and teaching, but hospital visitation and board meetings and things like that. And if the pastor’s role is to scrub the toilets and take out the trash, I’m willing to do that. I don’t prefer to do that, but I’m willing to, and my wife, the same thing, to the best of her abilities, she’s going to engage in the pastor’s wife’s role. We say that with sabbatical missions.com. We offer the church about $20,000 worth of free services between our pastoral coverage, but also our consulting. We go through their constitution, their bylaws, their budget, and tell them things that we’ve noticed. We visit every ministry in the church.
We interact with the elders. And so by the time that we’re done, we have some good consulting feedback to give to the church. And I think that’s probably one of the most valuable parts of what we do is the consulting. And we simply say, here’s what we observed. You can either take and apply these things or you can throw them in the trash, do whatever you feel is right with them, but these are the things that we observed about your ministry while we’re here. We’re not going to change anything while we’re here, but we get fresh eyes on their ministry, and that’s one of the most valuable things we can provide for them.
Jamie Mitchell:
You got less than a minute. It sounds like a way though people can give to support what you’re doing to help churches. If there were people out there, do they just get in touch with Sabbatical Ministries at IMI and say, Hey, this is a kind of a ministry I would like to support?
Matt Hickok:
Thank you for asking that question. If they go to sabbatical missions.com, sabbatical missions.com links right to the IMI website, and there’s a tab on there that says, give. There’s a dropdown menu on that tab, and they can choose Hickok support. Or actually it says Donate. And they can choose Hickok support and if they choose Hickok support or if they choose Van Bruen support, because we do have actually a regional sabbatical missionary couple that lives in southwest Michigan. If they choose either of those options, the money will go to sabbatical missions.com and promote other churches being able to give their pastors a sabbatical.
Jamie Mitchell:
Matt, thank you so much. What a fantastic ministry churches, our most precious commodity, our pastors, and our pulpits. We pray that we’ll do everything possible to care and provide for them until tomorrow. Live and lead with courage until tomorrow. God bless you. Have a great rest of the day.
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