Reclaiming Relationships: The Secret of Everything

Reclaiming Relationships: The Secret of Everything

June 17, 2025

Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell

Guest: Leon Tucker

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 6/17/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Jamie Mitchell:

Well, good afternoon and welcome to another edition of Stand In the Gap. Today I’m your host, Jamie Mitchell, director of church culture at the American Pastors Network. Over the years as a pastor, I can identify some common themes that seem to flow throughout the life of the church or obvious theological issues like the essence of the gospel or the veracity and trustworthiness of the scriptures. There are also practical issues like respecting authority and the importance of stewardship in all areas of life. Some of these issues rise in interest and attention, yet there are issues and topics that seemed always to be in need of teaching and consideration. There’s one issue that is always at the top of the list, no matter what generation or even what’s happening in the culture, and that is relationships. You see the need to understand and execute relationships well is an everyday issue and it is in every area of life, whether it’s the home work community, the church, knowing how relationships work will be the key for success in life and for sure how you grow as a follower of Christ.

There’s one thing I know about relationships. They just don’t happen. They take hard work and keen insight. Today we want to take a close look at the nature of relationships, some of the pitfalls to watch for and common keys to have a fruitful interaction with the people. God brings your way. Our program is entitled today, reclaiming Relationships. The Secret of Everything and to help us today is Pastor Leon Tucker, the founder and executive director of The Art of Family Living. Leon served in pastoral ministry for nearly four decades and then launched AFL. He’s married to Renee. They have three sons and nine grandchildren, so he knows about relationship. Leon, what a joy to have you with us today on Standing the Gap.

Leon Tucker:

Well, Jamie, thank you so much for the invitation. This is such a critical topic. I mean it is the ultra important issue of life, and as you says, it’s the secret to everything and we’ll talk about that and that’s a God consideration. That’s not a Leon or Jamie consideration.

Jamie Mitchell:

Amen. Leon, you heard my introduction. I don’t want to burden you with the impossible task when I said relationships are the secret to everything, yet relationships and doing them well either make for a blessed and enjoyable life or can bring about great distress. Have you come to that conclusion in your role today as the director of the Art of Family Living and as a pastor for years that relationships are really the core at all we do in life?

Leon Tucker:

Totally concur and I’ve come to that conclusion because number one reality validates that those with healthy relationships, they live a more contented and fulfilled life. And this data is validated through the social science as they study the whole consideration of relationships. And then number two, the scripture tells us that relationships are at the core of God’s design for life. It’s clearly stated by Jesus himself. When the religious leaders came to him in Matthew chapter two, it’s recorded verse 37 through 40, and they said, Hey, what’s the most important commandment? And he said, there’s two. The first one, love God with all your heart, your soul. Enjoy him now in forever. And the second one is like in to it that you love your neighbor as yourself. And then he says this, everything that’s written in the law and the prophets hang on this because that’s what he created us for a relationship with him now and then in the next life in eternity.

And for him to be able to show us how to do relationships as he designed it so that we might then be able to enjoy it, teach it to others and enjoy each other now and for all eternity. So it’s critical to recognize this is a God perspective that we’re talking about and it is critical if we’re struggling in our relationships, we’re struggling in life because as you said early, it touches everything. Our personal view of ourselves, our relationships, if we’re married to our spouses, if we have children with our children and then the extended family and then that just rolls over into general community with our work, with our families of faith. I don’t care if it’s just general community with the civil arena, the political arena, whether it’s sports, all of it, it all hinges on having healthy relationships. You can have a great team with a lot of talent, but if they can’t get along, they’re not going to win many games and they’re definitely not going to win a championship.

Jamie Mitchell:

Leon, one of the things is most times I’ve talked about people, it’s problems in relationships. What would you say are common enemies or distractors of relationships in really any sphere?

Leon Tucker:

Well, I’ll tell you the key thing is just a lack of a clear framework from which to find knowledge, understanding wisdom, direction for living healthy relational lives, that generally people get their information about how to live life and to relate to others from four basic sources, from family, parents and extended family, our peers, educators, and the media. And each of those sources are getting their information generally from the same sources, which are generally struggling with the same issues and are looking for answers themselves. So when they give advice, they generally are given their view of how to handle whatever the relational issue is at hand. And what we need is we need a truth-based framework that can be relied on how to deal with relational issues that we face. And we have that from the God of the Bible, the one that designed life to be lived in a relational context, yet generally speaking, he’s not usually even listed when we ask people where they’re getting their guidance and if he is listed, he always comes in last. And that is also even from those in the Christian world. So that’s the greatest hindrance, is the lack of a healthy source or a reference point to guide us and people hunger for truth that they can build their lives on. They want healthy relationships of love and care. They want to model to follow, to show them how to do it. And we have all of those things in this biblical framework, truth, relationships, and a model to follow. And we need to understand what it is and then choose to live inside the framework.

Jamie Mitchell:

Hey friends, today on Stand of the Gap, we want to help you understand and apply these biblical truths. Our relationship you’re hearing from all different sources in the world. Leon is correct. Now when we return, we’re going to look at how relationships play out in the home, but also the community. We spend a lot of time in those two places with our family, with our neighbors, with those who live around us. We need to understand how do these biblical principles play out today on Stand of the Gap. It’s all about relationships Don’t go anywhere. Well, welcome back. Thanks for staying with us. My guest is Leon Tucker who is the executive director of the Art of Family Living, and we’ll learn more about that ministry later. Leon, when we look at the topic of relationships, I think it’s important to consider the different types of relationship that we may have and the people whom we interact with. That first major sphere of relationships that we all can relate to is family, because at some level, no matter where we are in life, we have family. Now we could discuss about marriage and we may touch on it, but I really want to drill down on this issue of parenting. I see this as a crucially important today. What are you seeing on the parenting front and what insights would you share with parents as they attempt to build, grow and maintain relationships with their kids?

Leon Tucker:

Well, we really are struggling in the parenting realm. And again, it goes back to primarily the sourcing. The social scientists tell us that we’ve lost the art of parenting. And you can see the damage that it causes not only in family, but in the personal life struggles that our children face. It starts with our marriages though. And if we don’t know how to do marriage well then we will not do parenting well because the principles that apply to healthy three marriages are the same ones that are to guide us in doing parenting well. And parents want to do parenting, right? They’re just not sure what that looks like. And the four sources that I mentioned earlier, they’re looking for ways to do parenting well, but if it’s not headed in the true north direction that God has laid out, then what happens is as hard as we try to raise our kids in a healthy manner, then the further we go in our journey of life and parenting, the further you get from where you would like to go.

Because if your direction isn’t true north and it’s just off a little bit when you start with your kids or your marriage, then the further you go it’s only going to get worse. And even with Christian parents who want to raise their children in the nurture and instruction of the Lord, which would be the right pursuit, and it lays that out clearly in the scripture starting back in Deuteronomy six and even Ephesians six. But if we try to do the right thing the wrong way, then it says, we’ll stir up anger and rage in our children and frustration in the parents’ life and their marriage. But the good news that we have from God is that we have his instruction, we have his model to follow and his partnership in the process to help us train, develop and shape our children what he desires to first bring them to faith and a relationship with him and then to grow them in maturity as we would as parents, disciple them, train them, shape them, sharpen them, develop them, correct them, and then partner with the family of faith, the church.

And so we have a partnership with God, with the family of faith and then the family and even the extended family. But we must discover God’s instruction, examine his example and seek to imitate in that effort. Because in Ephesians five earlier in Ephesians, it says to imitate him and live a life of love and then depend on him to give us wisdom and executing the parenting responsibilities. But again, the problem is we’ve not followed the pattern and rather we follow this cultural pattern of either catch this either authoritative parents where we seek to kind of control or Lord over them. And when I’m talking with students and they’re struggling and child relationship, the number one complaint that children have of their parents is that they’re just trying to control me. And so we tend to follow that authoritative pattern in all of culture. I don’t care whether it’s in school, whether it’s in the military, whether it’s in the civil arena.

And so that’s kind of the fallback or we rebel against that because we hated it when we were kids and being raised by authoritative parents, and I’m generalizing. And so they moved to a friendship parenting pattern. And when we do that, we try to become their friends and we lose the power of God to work when we don’t follow his example of doing both at the same time. Because if you want to be your kid’s friends and you let go of your authority, well then the kids start running the show and they’re the ones that are shaping the agenda and they’re the ones that are making decisions. But if we follow God’s pattern, he is the final authority. He never lets go of it. He is the way, he is the truth. And yet at the same time, he is the God of love and all he does is driven by his love.

And he parents us as a friend. And it states it clearly in Hebrews 12, starting in verse five, there if we do not, if we don’t do parenting or life in all its realms from that pattern, then even when we seek to do the right thing, but do it the wrong way, that God calls that sin and there’s a consequence. The wages or what we earn for wrong choices that violate God’s framework is death or separation and it damages relationships. It started in the garden and it’s passed on our damage in our relationship with God, damaging our relationship with each other, damaging even our own personalities. And that is where we’ve got to recognize man, we’ve got to be careful to make sure that we’re following this biblical framework because if not the consequences, we live with no soul contentment and we live frustrated lives because the only way to have biblical contentment this soul rest, this soul satisfaction is to do it God’s way.

And if we don’t, like Thoreau said, once, most live these quiet lives of desperation because they don’t know what to do next. And so this is where God’s laid it out now for us to do it in partnership with him and we have an advocate with him because as we’re teaching our children the biblical truths about all of life and how to make decisions based on the truth of God and the inside and understanding he gives us and then the wisdom that he wants to provide at any moment to make the right choices. If we’re not following that pattern, well then there’s going to be bad consequences. And that’s what happens so many times, kids, they leave the home, they go to college, and now they don’t have mommy and daddy anymore now to control the circumstances and the decisions. And so now the kids, they respond and most of the time it goes in a really bad direction.

But if we’re training them and teaching them how to do it God’s way to where, and you even said that in the introduction, the whole idea of understanding authority and our responsibility to exercise that authority in a loving way to where our kids want to embrace us, partner with us and partner with God to let God fulfill his will or his dream for each of us. And when that happens, that’s when something supernatural is happening because God’s tuning our hearts together with each other. And man, for my kids, they’re 46, 44 and 42, I’ve got the nine grandkids. And man, we have just a God thing going on. It’s not perfect, but we’re going in the right direction. We try to bring right answers when there are issues that we may have not made good decisions on, but it can happen. And when that happens, then it brings this friendship arena within our homes. That’s one thing in our mission statement that we want to have a family of friends and understand the authority that comes when you live in the home under the parent’s authority or once you leave the home and you go under whatever else authority you’re exposed to.

Jamie Mitchell:

Leon, we were going to talk about community. I want to forego that. I want to just take the last minute and just zero in on this because when you make a Xerox copy and then you take the copy and you put it on the Xerox, then you make the next copy, the next copy, three or four copies along the way, you can’t even tell what is on the paper anymore because you start to see the failure of some producing. I think part of the problem, and tell me if I’m wrong, part of the problem is that these young parents who are trying to parent today, they start looking around, they look around the church, they can’t find good models, and the whole thing begins to break down. We got about 30 seconds left. Do you see that as a real problem within the church today?

Leon Tucker:

No, absolutely. And that’s part of our issue because again, the church is supposed to be a partner in this process. And when we do surveys, when I speak around to different churches, different venues, and we ask people, Hey, write down the people that you admire and that are trying to live the Christian life in such a manner that it inspires you to do it. And Jamie, most of the time they can’t write one down. And if they do, it’s usually like one man. They should be able to write down a number of them to be able to say, man, if walking with God is like this family and this person, man, I want to walk with God. That’s part of the issue.

Jamie Mitchell:

Relationships take on all different shapes, sizes and colors. There is no one size fits all when we return. Let’s talk about work life and church life and then maybe we’ll even get back to community life. Don’t go anywhere here on Stand of the Gap today. Well, today we’re looking at redeeming and reclaiming and rebuilding relationships in our lives. Relationships take work, they just don’t happen. And because of our own depravity and our inherent selfishness, we make a lot of mistakes. Leon Tucker is trying to help us. We’ve discussed a little bit about parenting and how to approach that. Leon, I’m told that we spend more of our time awake in any given week at our jobs. We find a lot of our identity, our worth, our personal satisfaction on the workplace. Yet if relationships at the workplace goes south, it can be a great source of disappointment. How are work relationships unique and different? Do you have some insights for our listeners to consider how to improve job relationships?

Leon Tucker:

Again, Jamie, it really goes back to the pattern that should be learned in the home and then followed in the work setting. If I could just back up and kind of like you said, maybe tie these two things together, how our family and healthy relationships can influence a community, and then how as we live these principles out in the workplace as well, how God uses it. And here’s one thing I want to say, and you know this passage when Paul writes to Timothy, a young pastor, and he says there in one Timothy four it says, don’t let people look past you or disregard you because you’re young, but be an example to them. And that word for example in the Greek, the word picture there is to leave a mark by striking a blow. And he says, the way that we do that is by the way we speak, by the way we act, by the way we love, by the way, we have faith and dependence upon God and the purity of life and motives.

And he says, when we are seeking to walk according to God’s plan, we become a tool in his hand that strikes a blow and leaves a mark. Just like if you take a piece of leather and you have an instrument and you strike it with a hammer, it’s going to leave a mark in the leather and that is what God wants to do with us, and he can do that as we’re living it out in our homes and do it in our business. I heard a story from a pastor friend that went on a visit to a doctor friend of his that was ministering in a very restricted country where Christian religious unquote conversations could cause problems. And when my pastor friend asked him, how does he seek to minister in that kind of environment, the doctor said, our team is committed to live such distinctive lives of love and care that the nationals would be compelled to ask us why we do so.

And then we can give them the first Peter three 15 answer as far as what’s the reason for our hope and what causes us to live the way we do? And that’s where God’s got the power to draw people to himself, to us as we follow this biblical framework and this model as we’re following God and those that have gone before us and then prepares an opportunity for us to be able to share why we behave the way we do. And that is what God wants to do and he wants to do it in the home. And as people are dealing with issues in the home and dealing with the issues at work, man as they see the way we behave, then they would be compelled by God working in them to draw them to us to say, Hey, how is it working for you?

It seems like, man, you got it moving in a good direction. And that’s where we can share what God is doing and following his model. I would give you a couple of key biblical elements to follow in any team environment in the home where we’re trying to value contribution of all the members in our family, but as we’re doing it in home or in the business, the one is noble character, that God wants us to be trustworthy and true as we deal with others. So as we’re living out and trying to seek to imitate God and live a life of love, it builds trust with people. Number two, you pursue excellence in all your work responsibilities, and that’s what he tells us to do. Colossians 3 23, whatever you lay your hands to do it as unto the Lord. And then again, that inspires trust and that inspires admiration to where people want to be on your team.

And then you want to number three, serve the team. Don’t compete against them. And that’s the way I grew up in the business world before I went full-time into the ministry. And a lot of times our companies set us up to compete against each other to try to motivate us, but hey man, if we do our best and we have upright character, then man, we can serve the team and we don’t have to worry about beating everybody else, man. We can do our best and if we win, fine. If the other guy or a girl wins, good deal. And we can encourage and cheer them on. And then also number four, serve your clients. They need to know that you’re there to help them to be successful in their endeavor, that you’re not using them as a source of revenue stream. This is the way we would want to do it if we’re doing it God’s way, treat others the way we’d want to be treated in number five, never let go of your confidence in the process because we know that God is with us.

God is working and he is our business manager. He can move us into the places that he wants us in our companies or in another company. He can cut deals for us with our clients as we are working and as we start to see this big picture, then number six is then we can say no to worry, fear, anxiety and stress and rest in the certainty of hope that God is at work with us. He is there with us and he can do his supernatural work. And then in the midst of all of it, then we never grow to be haughty because when we know that God’s the one that’s at work and we’re partnering with him, then man, when people say, Leon, how do you do it? Say, man, it’s a God thing and God is at work and I’m seeking to partner with him and this is how I’m trying to deal with life and all its circumstances.

But the key thing that’s important to recognize is, hey, look, we live in a fallen world and so man, people are going to make mistakes. We’re going to make mistakes. When the first book of the New Testament was written, the book of James by Jesus’ half Brother, he starts it off chapter one, you’re going to be faced with trials and tribulations. And he says, Hey, count it all joy and that word picture of joy, there is excitement. Run to them and embrace them like a friend because God will be at work. You need answers, you need wisdom. You call on me and I’ll show you the way. Now the key thing is if he shows us the way, then we got to embrace it. He says, if we don’t, then we’ll be unstable in all our ways. And so man, when we get this picture, man, things start to fit together in a healthy way, and that is what we want to enjoy. No other way to do it and for us to consider God’s got a personal plan for each of us, will we believe that engage him in that process?

Jamie Mitchell:

And look, you’ll have people at work that don’t like you because you’re a Christian, but when you start living that way, you in some respects take away their criticism of you because they will see your good works. I mean we see that throughout the scripture. Leon, we have just a couple of minutes left and I want to touch on the church. And you would think that within the church that’s where we would have our best relationships. But what things do we need to focus on to make sure we’re improving relational life in the church? And again, we’ve got about two or three minutes here, just give us some key insights on how to improve church relationships.

Leon Tucker:

Again, this is the family of faith. Responsibility is to be able to teach this truth and this orthodoxy the truth of God and the faith, and then be able to help us understand how to put it into everyday practice. And we’re talking about especially marriages and parenting and the marketplace. And the idea then is man, together, we’ve got to cheer each other on to love and good deeds as it says in Hebrews 10, verse 22 and following. And as we are doing that, that’s the orthopraxy. People come to church, they hear stuff, but man, we have got to encourage them. You have got to apply it in everyday life. You’ve got to engage it. And like Paul said in Philippians four, everything you’ve seen and heard in me, keep practicing it. God is shaping you to conform you to his image and refine you and fulfill his dream and give you contentment like Paul says there, whether I have a little or a lot at work, will it be easy?

No, but we can do all things through Christ. And so for us, if we’re out there being committed, and it says in Acts two, starting in verse 42, there, it says, man, will we be committed to the apostles teaching of God? That would we practice friendship in our gatherings? Will we remember through the Lord’s Supper what our sin cause and what God’s love and forgiveness provides for us? Will we depend on God in prayer? And as we do this, just like back then God’s at work to draw us all together so that people would say, Hey, they walk into our churches and right off the bat, we’re practicing love and care. And at the heart of that, it says it in Romans 12, starting in verse nine, there practice hospitality with everybody, even strangers make them feel valued and that they’re cared for. So when people are doing that in the family of faith, man, God’s stirring up our hearts, drawing us together and provide Roma where people and they just have a smell of like, man, this is a great place and this is where I want to

Jamie Mitchell:

Be. Amen. Amen. Leon. These things are tremendous insights. And we got one more segment left in our final segment. I want to learn about the art of family living, but also a key teaching that Leon does to foster Godly relationships. Don’t go anywhere here at Stand of Together. Well, time is not our friend, especially when we’re considering a huge topic like relationships. Leon Tucker has helped us and given us some insights today about relationships in the home and the workplace and the church. And Leon, you’ve shared with me a teaching that you do, or I guess some points that you give when you’re sharing with people. You call them the seven essentials of Relationships. As we wrap up today, would you just take a few minutes and give us an overview of these principles and how they play out in relationships?

Leon Tucker:

Yeah, Jamie, these seven essentials are the basic essentials of living relationally in this biblical framework. And when I’m talking with people and they come, I know what they’re going to bring to me, it’s going to be related to these seven essentials. It’s just personalized in their particular situations. And so if we get a picture of these, and man, we seek to put these into play every day in partnership with God and each other man, this is where we maximize our healing and our transformation and our influence with others. And so the first one is healthy expectations, and that is who’s shaping our expectations about life? Any circumstance, whether it’s our expectations for ourselves, our expectations for our marriage, our kids, our work, our churches, et cetera. But we’ve got the biblical truth to guide us. So we’ve got to be going to the source to understand what these healthy expectations, what is God seeking to shape us into.

I’ll give you four basic ones just right off the bat, because he’s seeking to conform us to the image of Christ. Romans 8:29, who is Christ? Who is God? What is the character that we’re supposed to be reflecting? That he’s a friend and a love giver, that he’s a leader, he’s a visionary, he’s a teacher and a mentor. He’s a protector and defender. And for all of us male female, that’s what we should be pursuing. Clearly, what does it mean to be those four elements of character? And that’s where we’ve got to find our expectations. The second one then is practice friendship. That’s what he created us for. Imitate him. Live a life of love, which I had said earlier to understand how does that take place? That friends Proverbs 17:17, they practice love at all times. And one Corinthians 13, everybody is pretty familiar with what that means, but it gives these descriptors of how to practice friendship and love as God is the God of love and is doing this with us.

And he starts off, the first characteristic is love is patient. It suffers long because we’re dealing with flawed people. And you go through all of those markers and right in the heart of it, it doesn’t seek its own. And that’s one of the key elements of practice and friendship is that we want to show preference rather than to seek preference. And Jesus, when he came here, he didn’t come to be served but to serve us and to die for us. And the night before when he was with, before he’s going to trial on the cross, he meets with his disciples and he washes their feet. He says, I’ve left you an example. Go and do likewise, and this is how people will know you’re my followers, by the way. You practice love for one another, and we need to do that in every realm of life.

First in our relationship with God. Then showing preference to him. And he says in one John five, three, he says, if you love me, then show preference to me and just obey me and follow me. I got a dream, I’ll execute it. And then we do that with our wives, our kids, our coworkers, our family of faith members, et cetera. So the second one is practice friendship number three is nurture communication. That’s how we go deep in our friendships from one level to the next with God and with others. So we’ve got to communicate with them. In James one, right there, in the beginning of that first book again, he says, Hey, quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry. So hey, are we having focused attention when we’re doing this communication effort, are we listening to others or are we just trying to share our view and our preferences?

So we want to be good communicators. Number four is, and it ties into that. We want to be slow to anger. We want to manage anger. Anger is a God thing. God gets angry when wrong takes place, God gets angry, but it motivates him to then respond in love. And so that’s what we want to understand when we get angry. James forces, why are you so angry? Why are you so upset? Get in fights even to the point where you’ll kill one another. And he says, it’s because you’re not getting your preferences met. You’re not getting your way. So when we get angry, we got to stop and think, Hey, am I angry because I’m just not getting my way or am my ankle because wrong has taken place? Well, if I’m just seeking my way, then I got to say, I’m sorry. I don’t want to be selfish.

And then you say, help me do better. And then if a wrong takes place, then he says, man, if we see a wrong, then we want to try to make it right. So we go and try to offer forgiveness or hold people accountable and be able to help them through that process of making things right. So managing anger critical, we deal with it every day. Then number five is value, contribution, and all our relationships, everybody have gifts and abilities, and everybody has a place of value and worth, not determined on how they perform, but determined by their intrinsic value, created in the image of God with gifts and abilities. Christ died for us. He’s got a dream for us. Romans 12, verse two, there His will, his thema, dream, pleasure, desire, and he wants to execute it. And so we value each other’s contribution like a body values every part in the body.

One Corinthians 12, every place is important. We look at the I, we say the I is really important, but that vein in your brain, if it blows up, you’re going to have an aneurysm and you’re going to die. So man, the veins, the eye, the mouth, every part is important. We want to value the contribution and rejoice and encourage each other in their giftedness and abilities and the role that they play. And then six, pursue balance. We want to pursue balance. And Jamie, the two key elements that cause so much tension in relationships is a lack of balance in time and money. And we’ve got to follow the biblical principles, letting God help us have wisdom to know how to deal with the funds that he has entrusted to us and the time resources that we have. Because if we cut too many time checks that we can’t cover, then it causes problems.

We cut too many financial obligations and we can’t cover them. It causes problems. But God wants to give us guidance, and it’s a spiritual marker that when we walk with him, one of the things that the fruit of the spirit that God produces is balance. And then the last one is seven is choose faithfulness. Choose faithfulness to God to ourselves, to be right before God, our marriages, our family, our kids, our jobs, our church, our civil arena, the government. And at any point with any of the responsibilities that we have, we have to choose will we be faithful with what’s been trusted to us? That’s

Jamie Mitchell:

Outstanding. Outstanding. Leon, what a great way to end this program. You’ve been listening to Leon Tucker. He’s the executive director of Art of Family Living. You can find out about him by going to his website, art of Family living.com. Thank you my brother. What a timely and rich hour this has been. Listen, we all have relationships. We need to get better at them. We need to grow in them. And at the end of the day, you’re going to need courage because it’s hard sometimes. And so as I always close, live and lead with courage, especially in your relationships. Have a great day. We’ll see you tomorrow here at Stand In the Gap.