American Christendom & Secular Culture:
A Biblical and Prophetical Consideration
July 30, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Carl Broggi
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/30/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also our bi-monthly emphasis on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. And today, Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina. He’s got a website there@searchthescriptures.org. I’ll give that again multiple times through the program, but he joins me again as today. We consider a very relevant issue. It’s going to require some thinking, I think, on everyone’s part, but that’s what we do in this program. We try to think and think biblically that this theme today, while it does not, I’m going to say directly focus on Israel, it does have an indirect influence on a person’s view of Israel and the Middle East. And because this issue arises directly from one’s view of theology about how prophecy on unfold directly affects one’s view of biblical prophecy and the future of America in God’s redemptive plan.
And what I’m going to suggest is that the true believer’s response in these days, increasingly perilous days, should be focused. Now, for instance, I know of no observing God-fearing person who has not asked themselves this question, how and why has America moved so far from its biblical foundation of law and justice in her view of God, in acceptance of God’s defined moral law? Put another way. How has the mentality, the view that says in God we trust been so thoroughly replaced with in reality in myself, do I trust or in government I do trust? And that becoming the operative worldview or religion in America Now since by all surveys including most comprehensive conducted by Dr. George Barna, a regular guest on this program, if you listen regularly, you know that we’ve shared this before, but the new religion, there is a new religion in America as he’s identified by an overwhelming 94% of Americans self-identifying with.
This is not Christianity, not 94% Christians, but syncretism, which is by definition it’s a little bit of Christianity, a little bit of new age, a little bit of mysticism and all being assembled by each individual based on how they feel. Now, this is the essence of humanism. It’s this overwhelming dominant worldview that’s guiding the 94% of all Americans and driven by, because it’s included in this number, our religious leaders, our politicians, and socially active and politically active groups. So with just 6% holding a biblical worldview of life, this is the undeniable reality confronting Americans to stay. And it’s disturbing, is it not? And hence the question, how did we get here? And this question was posed by a religious leader of a very passionate ministry focused on pastors and church engagement in the culture. And I know this man, and I like him. I’m not going to give his name or his ministry, it’s not the purpose here today, but it is a view that I want to share.
And he, like many others, I know they need answers. They’re pursuing, asking right questions. And this burning question that he posed in his short article was this, where was American Christendom when secularism hijacked the culture? And in this email, this man answered the question from his perspective, but his answer is troublesome. Blaming America’s embracing of secularism on Christians who believe in the dispensational view of prophecy, which holds that the church and Israel are distinct and that God has instituted a church age which will end and where God turns his attention back to his covenant nation, Israel for the completion of God’s redemptive plan. And the title I’ve chosen to frame our conversation today on all this is American Christendom and secular culture, a biblical and prophetical consideration. And with that, I welcome to the program right now, Dr. Carl Broggi. Carl, thanks for being back with us.
Carl Broggi:
Great to be with you. What an interesting topic you’ve chosen today. So I look forward to plunging into God’s word with you as we look at this important subject.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, there was no one better that I thought of to deal with this, Carl, because this is real. This is a real question. This is impactful. And last past programs, we’ve dealt a great detail with some of what we’ll discuss today. I mean, we’ve looked in depth at dispensationalism. You’re going to define that in just a minute. The view of replacement theology, which is tied into that. We’ve talked of a lot of things about Israel and the church and all of these things, but today, let’s link these things in a different way. So let me start here by asking you this question. First of all, is the fundamental desire for God-fearing people to ask the question of how did America reach the point where the overwhelming majority as high as 94% embrace secular humanism and therefore reject biblical authority and what the church did or did not do to permit this sweeping cultural change? It’s a big thing, but that’s the question. Is that legitimate to even think about that and ask that question?
Carl Broggi:
Absolutely we need to, because we are called of Christ to be salt and light, to impact our culture is best. We are able to by his grace and through the power of the spirit. But to suggest that dispensationalism somehow has thwarted this, and I know we’ll cover this in future segments here in a moment, is just absolutely in fact, I’d say just the opposite is true. But again, to define the term dispensation, ea aquin the verb ACOs means house. Nomos means law. And so when we’re speaking about dispensation and dispensationalism, we’re speaking about house rules. In fact, it sounds like a dirty word in a lot of circles of theology, but it’s found throughout the New Testament and three times, especially in reference to eschatology and someone is a dispensational as if they just literally consistently and grammatically interpret the Bible. And the consistency is not always true in some circles.
But with that said, I think secularism is not that we have in America today, is not primarily because of a single theological system, be it dispensationalism or covenant theology, but because of a moral in spiritual rejection of God and it’s rooted in pride, it’s rooted in gratitude and rebellion against the living God. And so we become prideful like that time in Israel’s history when Moses rebuked the people and they said, my power in the might of my hand has gotten me this wealth. No, God gave you the power to make wealth. In Romans one he speaks about, although they knew of God, they didn’t honor him as God or give thanks to God in claiming to be wise, they became fools. And you read Romans one, and it’s really where America has been since the sixties. We said, no God in school, no prayer in school, no Bible reading in school. It’s just one thing after another and there’s that downward moral degeneration. It’s almost a picture perfect description of where America has come. And so twice over in judges were reminded that the people did what was right in their own eyes. And so that’s the problem. Now what drives it? That’s another issue. What are we to do as believers? That’s another issue, but we need to ask what the cause of it is and it’s clear, I think it’s scripture.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I hope that that introduction is intriguing for you and that you’ve thought about these things. And if you’ve not stay with us. We’ll walk through how someone did consider this. We’re going to consider it biblically. The theme today is American Christendom and secular culture, a biblical and prophetical consideration because all of these things are linked. So stay with us and we’ll walk down to this and hopefully this will be a great encouragement and identification to all of you listening here today. Well, if you’re just joining us today, thanks for being on board with us, Dr. Carl Broggi, the senior pastor of Community Bible Church, Beaufort, South Carolina with a website at search. The scriptures.org is with me today. And this is a Israel Middle East and biblical prophecy focus, which we do try to do at least every other Wednesday. Today’s approach is a little bit different because Israel and prophecy are coming into this question a little differently today.
But by the time we’re done, you’ll see how in fact they all connect. Now in seeking to answer the question, which is what we’re dealing with today, American Christendom and secular culture, a biblical and prophetical consideration, we’re going to deal with this question of where was American Christendom when humanism arose to prominence? And really it occurred a generation ago or more, but now it’s firmly embedded as we know throughout our culture and daily practiced within our institutions of government by those who embrace pragmatism, not God’s word, but pragmatism as the approach to determine what’s right and so forth. And a particular leader I mentioned, I’m not mentioning the name or his organization, be introduced in important but most often understood concept in an email that I got. And that’s what we’re kind of jumping off of today, but a concept about America and America’s beginning and that is of a covenant relationship between God and America.
Now he said this in part, I’m just going to read it as it was stated. He said, the truth is that the kingdom of God is not confined to the heart or the sanctuary. It extends to every sphere of life, family, education, economics, government arts and law. This was not a modern innovation, it was the inheritance of the reformation, a theology of covenantal, faithfulness, and total divine sovereignty that shaped the mission of the puritans and pilgrims. Their goal was not religious retreat, but Christ’s lordship over all of life, especially in the realms of law in government. Alright, now stay with me because you heard a lot in there and you say, well, what was wrong with that? And Carl, I wholeheartedly agree with a part of what this man wrote when he said this in particular. The truth is that the kingdom of God is not confined to the heart or the sanctuary.
It extends to every sphere of life, family, education, economics, government arts and law. I agree with that. However, the direct linking to the reformation and the covenantal understanding ostensibly held by the puritans in the pilgrims with an insistence that the answer to America’s problems today is a re-identification with God’s covenantal promises to America is where I think things begin to go sideways in my opinion here. Now here’s my first question. In what way is America a covenant nation, if at all? And if America is a covenantal nation, how is it like or unlike Israel, which we do know biblically is a covenant nation?
Carl Broggi:
Well, that’s a profound question. Biblically speaking, Sam America is not a covenant nation. Nowhere in scripture does God establish a covenant with America as he did with Israel. Israel’s unique. There is no such statement of any kind of other nation on the face of the earth, which God had a specific covenant with a specific group of people. And so when you read, I love Psalm 80 because it describes how God planted Israel and he allowed her to prosper like a vine, but then they turned away from God and God allowed a wild board to break through the hedge of protection and to begin to destroy her. And we’ve done that as a nation too. There’s some timeless principles in that we as a nation affirm God. We wanted God as our king over this people, but we’ve ignored him and we have all kinds of internal enemies as well.
But Israel is unique and God goes on in that psalm to say, but if you’ll turn back, I’ll restore you. And with that said, there are nations in the world that God has blessed and God has used. There are many nations that God used for his own purpose like Egypt. In Romans nine, Paul quotes them to say, well, I raised up Pharaoh so I could display my power and it would be proclaimed to all the earth. He used a Syria and evil people whom he later judged to judge his own people. Same with Babylon, Medo Persia. He used them to restore Israel, even Rome in the fullness of time. The Lord came and he came in a world where crucifixion was the means of capital punishment and there was a road system and a common language and the P Romana to spread the gospel. So God has used nations, but he’s never used any nation in the covenantal way in which he has used Israel.
And so America has been blessed of God because we committed our way to God. But to say that America is God’s covenant people really is to distort the unique role that Israel has in God’s timeframe and in his plan for this world, 68 times in the New Testament, the word Israel appears and it always refers to either the people or to the land of Israel, no exceptions, a couple thousand times in the Old Testament. And so there is a new slant, a growing slant of theology called covenant theology that says the church has replaced Israel and it makes almost like America like a divine nation that God can bless and God can bless any nation that honors him. Righteousness exalts a nation. But sin is a reproach to any people. But the scripture is clear that we’re not a covenantal nation like Israel. Israel rebelled, but God promised to restore Israel and he will restore Israel. Israel is the only country in the world and the history of man that bears the same name, speaks the same language, ascribes to the same faith and lives in the same land as it did 3000 years ago. Other nations have come and gone. They no longer exist. They are in the al of history and America could go there, I may not, but it could easily like any nation has historically. But Israel is unique because they are God’s covenant people in which he brought the Savior in through whom he will bring him back again.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, and I want to follow up with that. Isaac. Isaac, I was thinking of Isaac. Isaac and I were able to visit you at your church a couple of weeks ago. We really appreciated it and enjoyed it. But that’s where I wanted to go was this follow up question and that is this covenantal in the beginning of our nation. I am one who really view the founding of our nation as unique and led of God. I don’t know who’s God fearing person who doesn’t understand that. So it causes many people to go to that point of saying, well, because of what the pilgrims did and their acknowledgement of God and the puritans that therefore created this covenantal relationship which you’ve just described very clearly does not exist with any nation except Israel. But in this case here it would be the question I have sometimes said that, well, our founders came, they identified with what God’s promises said and they said, we want to be blessed of God, so therefore we commit ourselves to doing what God says. To that extent, that’s not a covenant, but that’s a recognition and a promise that God answered just like he would answer. For any group of people that would identify with God’s plan and say, we will to the best of our ability seek to accomplish God’s will is laid out in the scripture. That’s a promise on behalf of the people to God, but that’s not a covenant on behalf of God to that people, there’s a covenant and there’s a promise differential that God will promise. Explain that difference just a little bit. If you don’t mind.
Carl Broggi:
Most would call the latter that you just described as a civil covenant. That is a human group of people who have covenanted or made an agreement with God above. But unlike with Israel, God from above makes the agreement with Israel. He initiates it, he establish it, but with other nations, certainly there are peoples who have said, God, we want you to be honored in our nation. In the Mayflower Compact, it began with the words in the name of God. Amen. They believed and affirmed in God as our creator and the one who should be honored. It said 52 out of the 55 signers of the declaration were born again Christians. And so our nation was thoroughly Christian. 34% of all the quotations by the founding fathers were scripture. In fact, there was a famous evangelist who actually was just reading, his name was Charles Finney.
All he was doing was reading the founding Fathers. And because there was so much scripture in it, he was converted. But that’s very distinctly different. We’re a people say, God, we want you to be honored because righteousness exalts a nation and you are worthy of that honor versus God initiating with Israel and its unconditional no matter what they do. As long as the stars and the sun and the moon are in the sky, God said he’ll love Israel with an everlasting love. Where’s the Assyrians today? Where are the Babylonians today? Where are the Canaanites? And all the other ites that are described in scripture, they’re thrown in the ash heap of history. Now, is Israel better? No, Israel had adopted many of their own wicked ways, but God because of a divine covenant from the top down, not from the bottom up is committed to that nation. So it’s very, very distinctly different. And if we ignore that distinction as we’ll, see, I think in the next segment there are really great implications in terms of how we think of ourselves, how we function as the body of Christ and other such things.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I hope that that makes sense. Those are questions that I’ve dealt with, I know that we have to deal with. So a promise by the pilgrims and Puritans to me is not a whole lot different than Joshua standing up and saying, on behalf of myself as a leader of the people of Israel, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. That’s what they did. Now the question is do we do that? That’s the question when we’ll come back, we’ll continue in our discussion today. We’re continuing in our theme today, and if you just joined us, you’ll need to go back and listen to the program from the beginning. Because one segment builds upon another like we do in this program being only an hour, we have to construct each segment in a connected way so that by the time we get to the end, what I try to do is present a problem, the cause and then a solution.
And that’s really what happens in the word of God. Our problem is there is sin. Alright? There is a cause. Well because sin came into this world and all men are therefore sinners and then all of that takes place there. But what is the solution? Well, there is only one solution to that problem, and that’s Jesus Christ. And where did that come from? God the Fathers put that plan of redemption into place. That is the scripture, that is the heart of all that we talk about. That is the essence of biblical prophecy and that is a part of why God covenanted with the nation of Israel to bring about his redemptive plan. That’s how all of these pieces fit together. So it’s in that context that we’re pursuing this today, American Christendom and secular culture, a biblical and prophetical consideration. Now in the email I referenced already a couple of times I received from my acquaintance on behalf of his biblically focused pastoral and church ministry emphasis, that’s where he’s going, which is where I go to.
That’s what we want in this program for pastors to be involved, for believers to be living as salt and light. That’s what Christianity is about. But in the case of this article that came out, he asked the question, where was American Christendom when secular humanism rose to prominence? And he said this, I’m just going to read a little bit more from the email. He said this quote, yet as Christians began withdrawing from the public square in the 20th century, the state’s secular ideology rushed in to fill the vacuum claiming authority over education, welfare, and moral formation because want to say that foundation of the pilgrims and the puritans to influence all aspects of society, however, has largely been abandoned by the modern church. Today he’s saying the dominant theological paradigm and evangelicalism is dispensationalism introduced by John Nelson Darby in the 18 hundreds, 1882. It goes on to say, Darby’s distinctive theological system divided redemptive history into dispensations and it drew a sharp distinction between Israel and the church and introduced the doctrine of a pre tribulation rapture.
Now a staple of popular evangelical eschatology at its core, his Darby’s theology created a clear separation between the church age and any sense of cultural or societal responsibility. The result was a church that retreated from cultural engagement. Darby’s eschatology emphasized rescue over restoration, withdrawal over engagement and rapture over reformation. It trained generations of Christians to focus narrowly on soul winning while seeding the public square to secular forces. Darby’s dispensationalism produced a passive church waiting to escape rather than laboring to transform the world. Now, Carl, again, there are certain observations made by this man, to which I agree. Yes, the pilgrims and Puritans did take a more all-encompassing view of practical Christianity. We talked about that in the last segment, but for instance, I don’t agree that Christians began to withdraw from the public square in the 20th century. In fact, I think it was the opposite though.
I think involvement back then, I think the goal was unbiblical, for example. No one can say that the efforts of Jerry Falwell and the moral majority from 1979 into the eighties or Pat Robertson and the Christian coalition of the eighties into the nineties reflected any backing out of the public square. It was the opposite. The downfall of those efforts was the goal, I believe. I know it was the goal. It was the stated goal of controlling a particular party happened to be the Republican party as the best way of achieving influence over the culture. Yet the opposite’s been the result, though the goal was clearly achieved. But that’s a matter for another discussion another day, Carl. But here’s the blaming of the rise of secular humanism on the dispensational view of biblical prophecies. Where I want to go now you’ve already talked about it, but let’s go further. Is dispensationalism the cause as some believe, and does it produce pacifism as this writer and article states?
Carl Broggi:
Absolutely not. And this straw man, John Nelson Darby, like he invented dispensationalism is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. That would be like saying Martin Luther invented justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. No, he rediscovered it. But understand, ever before Martin Luther, God always had his church. Not everyone was protesting Rome as members of the Catholic church because God always had an unbroken line of born again believers who are never a part of the Catholic church. Even so now, through those studies of men like Lee Brainerd and Dr. Tommy Ice and others, they’re demonstrating direct quotes of people in the 1500’s, 1600’s, 17-18 hundreds who believed in a pre tribulational rapture and believed that God works at different times in different ways that he never changes. He’s the same, but the way he functions with people at different times changes. But it’s totally unfair to say that Darby created this.
No, he maybe rediscovered it in, proclaimed it, but it had been long in place. And now like Lee Brainerd is demonstrating through some of the early church fathers, they were all pre-millennial until the time of Augustine, and Augustine initially was pre-millennial, and so he had a different view on Israel. But dispensationalism doesn’t create passivism. It affirms the imminent return of Christ that he can come at any moment. That’s not true in covenant theology. It stresses the urgency of evangelism. Now, in fairness to my covenant reform brothers, he’ll say, well, we’re committed to evangelism in, many of them are, but most of them are not. In my judgment, all you have to do is statistically look at which groups are sending missionaries around the world, which groups are sharing the gospel actively, aggressively. Even in America. It’s not the guy who’s sitting on his hands and saying, well, God is sovereign and what should I have to do to interfere with God’s election of people?
No, the elector, the whosoever will and the non-elected, the whosoever won’t and most dispensational subscribe to that. We view the church as salt and light that while we are citizens of another kingdom, we are still accountable to this kingdom. But because we are salt and light, we see that the objective to change a culture is not simply to change the political structures. The political structures are a reflection of the culture and the culture is driven by the salt and light. How many true believers and how many of those true believers are being salted and lighted into the hearts of unbelievers? We’re ambassadors for Christ. We’re not architects of some kingdom on earth. I often say if you know your house is on fire, you don’t walk away, you run in and you try to save who you can. And so dispensationalism is not the cause of American secularism.
It doesn’t fuel apathy, it does just the opposite. Sam. It fuels an urgency. What’s the cause of secularism in America? Moral compromise, spiritual apathy, pride, idolatry. Certainly the church has contributed to that by some of the paradigms that they have adopted, rejecting God’s pattern on what should even happen on a Sunday morning, but we’re not the cause. Again, Romans one, birth control for the first time in human history comes into place in the 1960s. People thought, well, I can now live immorally with no consequence. And we began to suppress the truth of God. We said he didn’t create the world. Evolution did. And so God gave them over to sensuality. We continued to suppress God’s truth. He gave us over to homosexuality. And then when we continue down that pattern, God gives a nation, not dispensationalism, not even covenant theology. God gives a nation over to a depraved mind and he lists 21 characteristics of an upside down mind where evil is called good and good is called evil. And it’s a perfect picture of what America looks like today
Sam Rohrer:
And what you’re saying, Carl is so clear as I think as we read scripture, and so the comparison to Israel, which you just laid out. God said, here’s a nation, here’s my law, here’s my requirements. Fear me and keep my commandments and I will pour out so many blessings upon you that you cannot handle them. Deuteronomy 28 talks about that. But then he says, but if you turn your back on me and once I give you blessings, you think that you did it yourself. He’s telling Israel, but by us, I think he’s telling us by example. Then all of those things that I gave you, I’m going to turn upside down and my blessing will turn to judgment. That’s not dispensational belief that caused Israel to be judged. It was because they simply turned away from a obey the Lord. I mean, it’s that simple in our day today, is it not?
Carl Broggi:
Yes, it is. And certainly there have been people under the banner of dispensationalism or an imminent return of Christ who said, well, we can do nothing. Let’s just sit on our hands. It’s going to happen no matter what. And that’s obviously a warped view. And I would say there’s very few in the dispensational camp who have ever thought that way. No, it does just the opposite. It creates a passion, covenant theology, reformed theology that rejects the future for Israel. They don’t see the timeframe we are in human history. They don’t see the urgency of the hour. If they did, they’d be out there passionately sharing the gospel, but they’re not.
Sam Rohrer:
So ladies and gentlemen, we talk often here about God’s prophetic plan and seeing things unfold before us. Do you see it that way? Jesus said, we should keep your eyes open. He said, we come back, but we’ll talk about God’s prophetic plan and can what we seek to do change God’s plan as we enter into our final segment. Now, I hope that you’ve been able to track along with us in this program today, Dr. Carl Broggi and I as we’ve had this conversation and analysis. Our theme today is American Christendom and secular culture, a biblical and prophetical consideration. And we’ve built this off of the fact of an email that I got from an acquaintance who’s involved in helping to encourage pastors and churches to get involved in cultural involvement, which they should be. But then introduced some things within the article asking the question of where was American Christian when it was hijacked by humanism?
And so we’ve tried to deal with that a little bit today because as he said, and blamed it effectively on those who hold to the theological position of what we call dispensation or dispensationalism, where we believe that God works effectively differently in ages all the same. It’s all the same. We’re all saved the same way by faith. But God stepped in and he put a plan together for Israel and that went into the first coming and Israel officially rejected him. And so God set them aside for a little bit. He didn’t do away with them, but the view held by some is that God just said, you’re done. I’m done with you. And then started over again with the church. And so Israel’s gone forever and inconsequential and have appropriated God’s promises to Israel, to the church. That’s at the heart of what we just went over a little bit.
But that does get into this matter of how one therefore views America. Is it a covenant nation? They believe that many do in this movement. And so we’ve talked about that. But I want to conclude with this because there’s an assumption I think built within it because in this article, the answer to America’s current love affair with humanism as I just referenced there, to jettison a pre tribulation view of eschatology, focus on the reconstruction of a Christian civilization and by necessity within that, no focus on Israel, no view of biblical prophecy as it relates to Christ’s soon second coming and the establishment of Christ’s millennial kingdom where he actually does implement a kingdom and an earthly kingdom that is consistent with God’s expectations. But in part, the concluding comments in this article includes this, I’m going to read it. Here’s a quote. We hope to see another great awakening in that case.
It must be preceded by a new reformation, one that recovers a holistic kingdom centered theology and reclaims every square inch of creation for Christ. We believe a new generation of believers, churches and institutions is rising to rebuild the ancient ruins as described in Isaiah 58 12, invoking not only a prophetic image but a vision of cultural reformation rooted in covenantal obedience. It goes on to conclude with this, your people will rebuild the ancient ruins. You raise up the age old foundations, you will be called repair of the breach, restore of the streets of dwellings. And that’s from Isaiah 58, 12. Then it concludes with this, this is a promise to a repentant and covenant keeping people not merely for the rebuilding of cities, but for the restoration of moral, spiritual, and institutional foundations in our day, it means the reconstruction of Christian civilizations. So Carl, what is biblically consistent with the conclusion of the article I just cited and where does it part from biblical truth kind of put what I just read there, which is the conclusion of what we’re talking about here with this fellow wrote, but put that into perspective. What’s the balance of this?
Carl Broggi:
Oh, for instance, you just quoted Isaiah 58:12. It has nothing to do with the church. Contextually has everything to do with Israel. It’s a future timeframe that he’s describing concerning the millennial kingdom of Christ. But this writer that you’re quoting is using kingdom terminology that speaks of a future time in human history when the Messiah will literally rule and reign on the earth. We pray your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. But because he rejects a literal kingdom that God promised to Israel by the words he is stating, he’s taking some of these promises that describe Israel and he’s planning them on us. Now, let me just say again, I appreciate anyone who wants to lift up righteousness because when you lift up righteousness, the law is like a school master to lead people to faith in Christ.
And there have certainly been covenant theologians like Edwards and Whitfield and Wesley that God used in the first and second grade awakenings. But these guys are coming out of the church of England. That’s all they knew. They had never really explored the role of Israel because why? For hundreds of years Israel was dismissed. In fact, there was a spirit of antisemitism that ran through the body of Christ. But to say that dispensational theology has created some kind of abnormality and influence in the world that is just so far from true. When you think about the last two 20th and the 21st centuries, who has led in the modern missions movement, revivalism, political activism, it’s been dispensationalist. Dwight l Moody, great evangelist. What was he? A dispensationalist. He believed there was a future for Israel. He said, I believe that God meant what he said to Abraham and that the Jewish people have been preserved by the hand of God through all history.
And he’ll go on to describe that. He’ll finish history through them. Billy Sunday, another 20th century revivalist, he was a dispensationalist. He called people to repentance. Billy Graham, a dispensationalist. Now, he wouldn’t always emphasize that he’d probably virtually never used that world word, but when you listen to his sermons, he says, there’s a coming a time when Jesus is going to rule and reign on the earth. And when you pull back the vene in private conversation, he was pro-Israel as his son Franklin Graham is as his son will. Graham is the student volunteer movement. Where did that come from? Charles Schofield study Bible hardcore dispensational, recognizing the distinction between Israel and the church. What did they do in the early part of the 20th century? They sent 20,000 missionaries into full-time service and another 80 to a hundred thousand said, we can’t go, but we will pray and finance you.
And then you step into people like you mentioned, the moral majority, the religious right, Jerry Falwell, Tim Lehe and others. What did they do? They were deeply dispensational of their eschatology, but they believe that America needs to be evangelized and the nation is only going to function well politically if we have enough Christians who are born again and enough Christians who are strong enough to be salt, light to preserve righteousness. So again, it’s a strong man. Now, that’s not to say that God couldn’t delay judgment, he delayed judgment on Nineveh, but no one can change God’s redemptive plan or prophetic schedule in history. It is set by God Almighty. We are just to do what God calls us to do.
Sam Rohrer:
So we end up with exactly what end of Ecclesiastes. Solomon said, the end of the whole matter is this fear God and keep his commandments for this. The whole duty of man, what Moses told Israel in Deuteronomy 28. Fear God, obey him, keep his commandments and then things will happen in the end of the day. That really changed and that’s where we are today. Do we know God’s word, ladies and gentlemen? Is that where we go? We try to emphasize biblical authority here in the program. A biblical worldview fearing God and keeping his commandments only about 30 seconds left. Carl, any final words today?
Carl Broggi:
Well, God is our greatest hope, but God is our biggest threat. And when a nation continually habitually rejects God, he will remove his protective hand off the nation. But God is sovereign, his plans are sovereign, and America or any nation will rise or fall based on whether or not they affirm God. But no nation can redirect the train of prophecy. God is over those things.
Sam Rohrer:
Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that this has been helpful in your thinking today. And again, you and I can’t change the nation. We’re responsible for our own lives that we can change. Do we live in the fear of God? Do we obey his word? Thanks for being with us today, Dr. Carl Broggi. Thank you for being with us. Website again for him is search the scriptures.org, lots of information there and then ours. Of course. Stand in the gap radio.com.
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