Ask Sam: Week in Review – Episode 73

Ask Sam: Week in Review – Episode 73

August 22, 2025

Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett

Co-host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/22/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Isaac Crockett:

Welcome, welcome, welcome. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett. My co-host today is the Honorable Sam Rohr, the president of the American Pastors Network. And boy, this week has really flown by. I know for many of you school has gotten back, or maybe some of you, you just started back this week or you’re getting ready to start back to school. Some of you are parents or grandparents that are involved with homeschooling and just these weeks are just so fast once we start to get to the end of the summer and the beginning of fall. So Sam, we want to do more questions with you today, the Ask Sam questions, kind of looking at the week in review. No way we can get all of the week’s news into a one hour time period. If you do want to ask questions of Sam, please contact us at Stand in the Gap media.

Stand in the Gap today, American Pastors Network. Contact us, we’d love to hear your questions. You can contact me even on X, it used to be called Twitter. If you want to look me up, Isaac Crockett on Twitter. But to contact us somewhere or another, let us know your questions. But Sam, we’ve been getting some questions or I’ve been getting some questions this week and I wanted to talk to you, but one of the things that’s really gotten a lot of attention is the statement that Trump made. He called in, I think it was to Fox News, and he made a statement about Heavens, I’m just going to listen to his clip and then I have something to say and then we’ll listen to a second clip about it and then we’ll talk to you. But Tim, could you go ahead and play clip one for us?

President Trump:

I just want to end it. I want to end it. We’re not losing American lives, we’re not losing American soldiers. We’re losing Russian and Ukrainian mostly soldiers. Some people as missiles hit wrong spots or get lobbed into cities like Kiev and towns. But if I can save 7,000 people a week from being killed, I think that’s a pretty, I want to try and get to heaven if possible. I am hearing I’m not doing well. I hear I’m really at the bottom of the totem pole, did the first, but if I can get to heaven, this will be one of the reasons.

Isaac Crockett:

Alright, if I can get to heaven and he’s hopeful, this will help him work his way up to be good enough to go to heaven and Sam, that’s kind of where I want to go to. But some people have said, well, he was just being facetious, he was just joking. I think when you listen to the Conex, I think he’s allowing his heart to come out there, which I appreciate that. But they did ask a few hours later, his press secretary, Caroline Levitt, and Tim, could you go ahead and play clip two of that question?

Caroline Levitt:

And then as a follow-up, I know the president said on Fox News this morning that he’s partially seeking peace in order to get to heaven. Was he joking or is there spiritual motivation behind his peace deals here? I think the president was serious. I think the president wants to get to heaven as I hope we all do in this room as well.

Isaac Crockett:

So Sam, let’s just get some of your reaction to this. And depending on how much time we have, we can discuss this whole issue a little bit more.

Sam Rohrer:

Isaac, there’s a lot that could be taken away and a lot of people have given some comment. These are some overall thoughts I’ve had, and not necessarily in this order, but first of all, the president’s comments does strike me in a couple of different. One is that he evidenced with his mouth the desire to go to heaven. Alright? Now my comment about that is that that is for most people a natural desire who says, I want to go to hell. So if they have any knowledge of heaven or hell, most are not going to say they’re going to go to hell. So they want to go to heaven. But here the question is how does one define heaven? Because militant Islamist who go out and kill Jews and Christians because they think it’s what you’re supposed to do, they think they’re going to heaven as well.

They’re expecting reward the guys, anyway, of 70 virgins. Alright? So going to heaven is a concept that’s kind of built within us, but you got to define what happened to you talking about. Okay, that’s number one. Number two, I think the idea of doing something good, saving 7,000 lives is, I think that was probably a pretty truthful statement because for most people, we know from scripture that they tend to think in a balance. Well, whatcha going to say when you enter St. Peter’s gate, that’s what people like to hear, right? Whatcha going to say, well, I had a scale here and I had more of my good things that outweighed my bad things. So even as the president, I’m kind of low on the totem pole, but I’m saving if I can save 7,000 lives, I think that’s pretty good, right? So it’s the idea that we enter into life and life choices with this ideal of a scale and that God is going to weigh us on this scale.

Good works on one side and then my bad works on the other. Well, what scripture says about that, there is a Broadway, there are two ways, a Broadway upon which most people are embarking, and then there’s a very narrow way that few find their way. So, alright, so that makes me think he’s on the Broadway and that’s like most people think. It also makes me want to an extent of those who are around the President who say they are Christians, how many of them actually themselves know the way or according to a lot of research that we have, even with George Barna, as we’ve talked about on this program, the majority of those who say they are Christians are actually not, and they actually think they’re earning their way to heaven too. So it brings into a question, who has the ear of the President?

Has he actually ever heard really, really truly the clear plan of salvation? And then the other aspect of it, Isaac, I guess is just the fact that it just reminds me again that and the President voiced it and because he was the president and he stated, a lot of people have heard it. I would pray though that what people heard was, well, how do I think I’m going to get to heaven? Do I want to get to heaven? And what does God say and ask that question. It’s not what I think, but it’s what does God think? So it falls into that category, Isaac, that until a person repents before the Lord pulls down that aspect of self pride in thinking that I can do it, there is no real salvation. And I think that that’s what we heard. But it makes me want to pray even more for the President and that some around him who may have his ear actually don’t hold back,

Sam Rohrer:

Use this as a circumstance to say, Mr. President, we’ve talked before perhaps, but what you said is clear that you have no knowledge of Jesus Christ and you have no knowledge of heaven and you’re not going to go to heaven, Mr. President, until you do what Jesus Christ says and lay it out firmly and clearly. I’m afraid sometimes that when people are around those in positions of authority like the President, they often go easy and say, well, I don’t want to be too hard. He may turn me away. So I’m going to say too much. I’m hoping for a later opportunity. I hope that’s not the case. My prayers are doubling down because of it.

Isaac Crockett:

It’s interesting to see the evolution, so to speak in Donald Trump because there seemed to be a time where he was a celebrity and almost you would’ve guessed maybe he didn’t care about those things when he was running for president the first time he was asked about repentance and his response seemed more like, well, I think I’m pretty good. I don’t want to bother the big guy upstairs. Kind of an idea with my stuff right now. And now he’s saying I’m low on the totem pole. I do want to get to heaven, I need to get to heaven. And all of this, all of this is opening a conversation on all levels that we can talk about this. So I’m thankful for that opportunity. And Sam, we have a lot of conversations we want to talk with you about when we come back. We’re just getting started right now, but when we come back, we want to look at these peace talks, look at this through a biblical worldview, through a constitutional lens, and just pick your brain, Sam, and get some thoughts rolling about what’s really going on in these news headlines that we’re watching right now.

So we’re going to be right back on Stand in the Gap today.

Well welcome back to the program. I’m Isaac Crockett, I’m talking with Sam Rohr. It’s one of our Ask Sam Friday editions. And we asked Sam about the comment that President Trump said he’s trying to help cause a peace, make up, a peace plan with Ukraine and Russia, and he hates to see of these thousands of soldiers dying every day. But he also said that he was hopeful that in his position he felt like he was kind of low on the totem pole spiritually speaking and that this might be enough to help him go to heaven. If he goes to heaven. He thinks this might be one of the reasons why. So again, I want to encourage all of you to be praying for our President, but also use this as an opportunity to truly witness to people. If you don’t know what to say, pray, talk to your pastor maybe about that.

But there are some songs that you probably all know. Amazing Grace, how Sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me. I once was lost but now and found was blind. But now I see, I mean John Newton wrote that in the late 17 hundreds, 1770s, about a hundred years later, victory in Jesus was written. And that again, those lyrics help us witness to somebody. I heard an old, old story how the Savior came from glory. He gave his life on Calvary to save a wretch like me. It says I repented of my sins and won the victory. Oh, victory in Jesus, my savior forever. He sought me and bought me with his redeeming blood. He loved me air, I knew him and all my love is due him. He plunged me to victory beneath the cleansing flood. And then the song, Jesus paid it all to him.

I owe the third stanza, says that nothing good have I, whereby thy grace to claim I’ll wash my garments white in the blood of Calvary’s lamb. Jesus paid it all. So these are just some things that you already know. You could share that with people that the way we get to heaven isn’t by being good. It’s what Jesus Christ has done and that God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son so that we wouldn’t have to perish. But Sam, with that, let’s go back to what Trump was talking about there though. He was talking about these peace negotiations and so far and this term, this second term of President Trump, he’s been taking some credit for a lot of big and small peace negotiations. And now again, probably the biggest thing he’s trying to undertake right now is this agreement between Russia and Ukraine. If you were a teacher, Sam, looking at this homework of Donald Trump, how would you grade the assignment? How would you assess him so far and the work he’s trying to do to bring peace?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, I tried to think of something and I think it would be this, not so much a grade, but as much as something that would be much over promised and much. And I say that because as we remember before the election, the president, unlike any previous president I’ve ever voted for, made it very, very clear that had he been in office, there wouldn’t have been any war in Ukraine, had he been in office. There would not have been any war in the Middle East. And that once then that then 24 hours, he’d bring us to a conclusion right now.

I said then there’s no way. There is no way because we know more. There’s more to the story than that. Now, is it inappropriate for a president to want to seek peace? Not at all, not at all. But to promise peace as he did as he is, I have to back up and say, well frankly, is that possible? No, it’s not possible. It’s not possible in the Middle East and it’s really not possible. Brokering a peace deal, Isaac is different than negotiating a land or a real estate deal. It just is. Or a business deal. It’s different. It’s just different

Because you’re dealing with people on the basis of trust, what they view to be true, not true. You’re dealing with worldview. So that dealing with coming up with peace for an Iranian Muslim, for them peace is destruction of the Jews and killing Christians. That’s what it is according to what they believe. Well, pretty tough to come up with an agreement on that. Now you can have a cessation of fighting, but that’s not necessarily peace. So even in the discussion with Ukraine, that’s where the discussion of, well, are we talking cease fire or are we talking about peace? Remember that discussion came up in that regard as well. So in any regard, any regard, the pursuit of peace is an appropriate thing. The ability to promise it and to say it would’ve never happened or it’s going to be fixed in 24 hours, that is not possible. And to this point, it has not happened either.

Isaac Crockett:

Let’s go into some of what he has done. He bombed these nuclear facilities in Iran. Do you think that the bombing of Iran has helped him with some of these other peace deals? I know his goal is to show strength and then come to peace as a show of strength. Do you think he’s been effective in that so far?

Sam Rohrer:

I think what was done with Iran has been both. It’s kind of a sword. It’s got two sides.

On one side it is, wow, you actually will do something big. Of course that compares to the President before Joe Biden who didn’t do anything. And of course that president makes that known because nearly everything that he does is this is not what Biden would’ve done and this is better than what Biden did. So in everything, there seems to be a comparison all the way through even all the press conferences, it’s everything is compared to better than Biden. Better than Biden, better than Biden. Alright, now, so on one hand there’s that part of the sword that is there that is positive. It says strength, but there’s another part of it that I think is backfiring in some regards around the world, Isaac. And that is that the president has attempted to make mandates and force things on literally every country of the world through the tariffs as an example, which has made every leader of every country around the world come and to him and either agree or as some say and bow as some would say or to defy and say, we will not.

And of course he would say that’s a negotiation. But if you look and what I’ve been looking for some time, most of the rest of the world has used this term over and over and over again. Does the president think Donald Trump thinks he’s king? He’s speaking as a king. I’ve heard that dozens and dozens of times. What do you think? He’s king. He can’t tell us what to do. So there’s a reaction, a backfiring reaction by many countries, including what’s happening now with Russia and threatening the secondary sanction countries that buy oil like India. India was with kind of with the west. But all of this is forcing India to make up their differences and join with China. And so it’s actually been forcing in alignment of our enemies as well as a questioning of our friends, all under the aspect that I’m going to make peace through strength. But there’s other things that have to happen in order to make it happen. And I’m going to say negotiation with countries and these kinds of things are not the same as negotiating a real estate deal.

Isaac Crockett:

Yeah, the art of the deal is a little different here in different stakes. Well, we have a moment left here. What about the proposed peace plan with Russia and Ukraine? Some people are claiming that part of it is Trump is trying to get the Ukraine to give up some of their territories, the Donbas regions or some sort of land. If that is the case, do you think that’s a slippery slope to start down? Is that a legitimate negotiation tactic?

Sam Rohrer:

In some respects, that’s a recognition what Russia has said, they have said, we will not now what we want are the Russian speaking eastern part of Ukraine because those people there voted to be a part of Russia and therefore they need to be. Russia has not changed their opinion. Therefore, if you’re going to negotiate, the President must note that that’s exactly what Russia has said and continued to say and continued to say. So. Now Ukraine says our constitution doesn’t permit it. That’s why in the end, peace may not be possible in Ukraine because NATO doesn’t really want it. Ukraine says they can’t give anything up and Russia has said, if you don’t and we’re already in control of it, you’re crazy if you think we’re going to give it back. So there’s no basis there for peace. So the discussion of a swap I think is legitimate but can’t, I don’t think they can talk of in terms of a swap, I think it’s got to go to a legal matter. Did the people of that part of Ukraine, did they actually vote to be a part of Russia? And if they did, is there anything binding in that that Ukraine must recognize or should recognize that right now it can’t just be part of some kind of a deal. There’s got to be some anchor in some aspect of law, I think, and that’s not been too much of the discussion right now. So I think peace is a ways off.

Isaac Crockett:

Those are interesting points to make there. And it’s also interesting just to watch how these pressures are going to play out. We’ve of course been watching Israel and Gaza and the different pressures there on giving up things. Of course, Israel is a tiny piece of land in the Middle East. If you’re looking at something the size of New Jersey, Ukraine is the largest European nation other than Russia. And so this is very interesting and you have the culture there, the language speaking in all these things that are taking place a lot to consider and a lot to pray about as we pray for peace and pray for our president and other leaders to have a wisdom in what they’re doing. Well, we’re going to take another time out, listen to some of our partners and then we’re going to come back for the last half of this program where we continue to ask Sam some more questions about this week and about the news of the day. Thanks for listening. We’ll be right back. Well welcome back to the program. Before I go back to Sam asking him questions on this Ask Sam Friday, I’d like to ask our program producer Tim Schneider, if you have any updates you could give us, Tim from the American Pastors Network. We’re standing to Gap Media.

Tim Schneider:

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Isaac Crockett:

Well, thank you very much for that, Tim. And yes, if you’ve never been to our website, I would encourage you to go or just follow us on our Facebook and social media interact. We’d love to hear from you in any way possible. Well, as we go back to Sam here to ask him questions from the news of this week, Sam, one of the things that we’ve kind of been watching going on almost in real time as reports are coming back is we heard, well, the whole nation saw several high profile murders in May, and then later in the summer in Washington DC there was this young couple, this Israeli couple that worked for the embassy and things and other people that work on Capitol Hill that were attacked and some even killed by criminals there in Washington dc. And so Donald Trump recently federalized the police force, I think you could say. And I’m just curious, Sam, what do you think? And again, we’re looking through the view of biblical worldview, constitutional legality of things, and also kind of looking down the road, if this is happening now, what’s the result now and what could the result be if things continue to go this way down the road? So I’m curious, Sam, what do you think now of this federalization of the police in Washington DC

Sam Rohrer:

Isaac? There are two aspects of it to get right into it. One, I always say and go and say, well, there’s two aspects of any kind of action of government. What does God say is the role of government and is there a connection? And then I, our case here in particular, what is and does the highest civil law say about it? That is our constitution. So there’s both of those. So first of all, is it legitimate that those in charge of government look and say there is lawlessness in the streets and we’re going to bring to bear the power of government, the sword of government that Romans 13 talks about and we are going to bring to bear the law, to punish the law breaker so as to and to protect those who keep the law? Well, the answer is that’s exactly the purpose of government.

So from the standpoint of the desire of those in government to say and to note lawless behavior and to seek to bring justice to it, that’s 100% compliance of what the Bible says that is absolutely, exactly what ought to take place. Then you get into the constitutional aspect. Well, what does our constitutions say? Well, it does not give any provision for involvement by our federal government to be involved in things in the states. That’s the state responsibility that’s delineated by our constitution. However, for Washington DC because it is not a state and because of the way that it was put together with its home rule, charter Congress actually funds directly Washington DC and they have the oversight of DC and therefore as in effect, putting the Department of Justice and the attorney general Pam Bondy theoretically now in charge of the police force of dc, that’s exactly what the home world charter would say to do.

So that is a legally defensible position. Now how long that takes place? Well, from a practical perspective, you don’t want to go on forever because do we frankly want to see armed soldiers walking on the street and bring in the military? That was done, the National Guard. I mean is that the point to which we have gotten where we have to have police on the streets? But it does remind me of this, Isaac, this one thing. Maybe it is, I don’t know, I hope not. But our founders earlier on said that if the citizens and those in office did not constrain themselves according to the 10 commandments of God, you ultimately would not have order on the streets and you’d effect have to have a soldier on the street. That’s where we are. And it’s interesting to think about, not worthy of another discussion, but what has been done is the legally defensible, the implication of that it may be done elsewhere around the country by the federal government. Now you’re into a very dangerous area.

Isaac Crockett:

I think you’ve opened up a whole conversation now that we may have to do a separate program or segment on if this were to spread to other, I don’t know if it would be based on federal courthouses or how they would do that, but spreading to other places other than the nation’s capital. Very interesting, very helpful. I thank you for breaking that down and walking us through that and it’s been interesting to see these results of these different arrests and things of violent criminals. Alright, another question. You were talking about state’s rights versus federal government’s rights. There’s been a lot in the news lately, especially with Texas, but this comes up in the news from time to time with different states and there’s the word gerrymandering, but basically we’re talking about the voting districts and the mapping of a state. You were involved for a couple of decades in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania and as elected there.

How does this work? How does this whole mapping and voting districts and all that, how does that work and any thoughts on some of what’s been going on or in the news? You’ve got people saying that Texas is going to gerrymander in favor of the Republicans and saying that they’re doing that for Trump. You’ve got California and other places saying, well, they’re going to gerrymander even more for the Democrats. And some people are saying couldn’t do it anymore than you’re already doing. It gets confusing. We may not be able to get into all of it, but any help that you could give us on how this redistricting process happens?

Sam Rohrer:

I can, and in brief redistricting or the apportioning, it’s called apportionment, the apportioning of the congressional districts, and whenever there is that kind of thing, it happens in the state itself. So the state assembly, the state senate to state houses reflect what is occurring even in the congressional seats as well that’s drawn. So you’ve got federal and then you’ve got the state, but the states bear the responsibility and specifically the state assemblies. The state assemblies, who are the ones charged as the entity? Not the courts, not the governor by himself, but it’s the assembly. The ones who make the law are those who are responsible to do the apportioning. How often is that done? Well, most like that in Texas now example, they have to a reapportionment. So what they’re doing, they’re not just doing because they like to, they’re doing it because they have to by law, they have to after the first session and they meet only once every two years.

In Texas when they meet, it’s the first session after the centennial census, the national census takes place every 10 years after that happens, the assembly, the state assembly has to look at their apportionment and then adjust it. Okay? Now that being the case, what they’re looking at in the key is to make sure that the number of people in each of the congressional districts and each of the state districts as well are equal so that you don’t have 60,000 people in one district and only 10,000 in another. They’d have to have the same number, give or take a little as close as they can in each of the districts. Number two, they are to be drawn geographically so that they are legitimate. When you look at the map, they are touching each other. Gerrymandering theoretically in the past used to be that when you looked at it, if it didn’t make sense, when it looked at it, you probably were gerrymandering.

Meaning if you had a district like here in Pennsylvania, we have districts drawn this way and they’re terrible. You have a district that is out here in two counties and then it’s got a sliver of five miles wide that extends three counties over and steps into a fourth county as an example to pick up some people there that are part of your party so that you end up having more Republicans or more Democrats in Congress. That’s gerrymandering. I don’t know that that’s what Texas is doing, but the process that they’re following is according to law. It’s when it’s done, when you look at it, you say, well, that’s gerrymandering or that’s not. It’s often in the eyes of the beholder.

Isaac Crockett:

So it is a tricky situation and we will keep our eyes open on that. But thank you, Sam. That helps a lot and that helps us understand why these proportioning things are happening. Well, we’re going to take our last time out. We’re going to come back and talk about the life and legacy of somebody who’s had a big effect on all of us, especially in radio. We’ll talk about the passing of James Dobson when we come back right after this. Well, welcome back to the program on Pastor Isaac Crockett, and I’ve been talking with the regular host of this program and the president of the American Pastors Network, the Honorable Sam Rohr and Sam on this Ask Sam Friday edition. Something happened as we were working on the agenda unit. I had been working on it some together, and I thought I kind of had finished up all of the questions and things on this, but Thursday morning news broke that Dr. James Dobson had passed away at 89 years old. And of course James Dobson’s work with Focus on the Family shaped millions of lives through the biblical principles that he gave on marriage and parenting, his strong pro-life stance and standing for biblical morality. He left quite a legacy. And of course I was very sad to hear this news for his family, but excited for Dr. Dobson. I guess as I’ve heard, he’s had a short illness that proceeded then his homegoing, his passing away. But Sam, I’d just like to give you a moment here, ask you to reflect on his ministry. On his legacy.

His ministry has been around longer than I’ve been alive, and so I’d just give you some chance to reflect on his life and his legacy

Sam Rohrer:

That is interesting. At 89, that puts him about 20 years older than me, and he’s been around a long time. When I took my first job out of college, Isaac, I worked in Kansas City and managed a Christian radio station there and about 40 minutes from the station there. One day I took an award out to a little home that was about 40 minutes away from the station. It was in the Kansas City, Kansas side, and I went to the home of James Dobson’s mother. Her mother, his mother lived there and was able to engage with her. It was on something that had happened to the family. I don’t think it was for her birthday. I think it was something else, but something we wanted to recognize her. But that goes back a long way, Isaac. That’s right. When I was out of school that almost just about 50 years ago, and at that point in time, James Dobson’s ministry was already going. He was already having an impact and impacting families with books about how to raise children, all of those kinds of things. And then he was engaged. Actually, a lot of people know this with a couple of others that ended up starting focus on the Family.

It was the part several, a couple of the guys, I’m just not named here right now. Were a part of also starting Alliance, defending Freedom, and then there was an entity that was in Washington DC FRC. All of those kind of came out of a concept that developed way back early of something that was needed within Christened America. One was a legal entity to defend Christians. Another was with the focus on the family of how to teach principals that help families to be raised. And then another was in the DC aspect of it. That’s how it came about. The point for saying that was that James Dobson, in my opinion, was a forward looking fellow. I don’t have the chance of being with him. I don’t know, several times throughout my life. One when we visited at the facility there in Colorado. And so we were able to meet with him and talk with him at that juncture and always my perspective, always just a very genuine fellow.

And I think his love for the Lord was clear. He had a nice demeanor. He wasn’t a cocky individual at all. He was a servant, I felt, and one of the things that I think marks someone is that when you are involved publicly, visibly for a long time and you can end up going to your grave, and he did at 89 being called home, put at that perspective called home, and having not walked away, departed from the faith, lost your family. And I don’t know all the details, but James Dobson seems to have avoided many of the pitfalls that many leaders sometimes step into and that says something. But he played a very important role. And I think his absence, even though he was diminished in his involvement as he got older, of course he left a mark and the mark was good. I think

Isaac Crockett:

That reminds me of Paul saying, I pressed toward the mark of the high calling of Christ Jesus, and whatever your calling is, it may not be in Christian radio. I’ve heard old pastors say something like, if God calls you to be a pastor, don’t stoop to be the President of the United States. But at the same time, if God is calling you to be a custodian or a farmer or a truck driver, whatever God is calling you to do, use that as your mission field and run the race well, and I do love it when we can look at Dr. John MacArthur or Dr. James Dobson, some of these different folks who are not perfect, but they have lived their lives well for the Lord. Sam, anything else that you’d like to close this program with? Maybe even just a reminder of what we should be thinking about and looking for in the news? I mean, we get told things that are to distract us or to kind of hide the truth from us sometimes. But as true Christians, we are seeking Jesus Christ the real truth in the real way. Any closing remarks for us? And then if there’s time, would you also close us in prayer?

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, sure. Isaac. I think one of the things that I look through and we talk about on this program a lot is that when looking at those things that are out there in the world around us, better to put on your glasses of biblical worldview. First look at the headline news through the lens of scripture. And in doing that, that helps to put a lot together. So when we see lawless days and I look through scripture, I say, all right, I know that those things will be occurring if we are looking at the events of the day. We know that the world’s attention will be increasingly drawn to the Middle East and to Israel, because that’s a part of what God has said that he will do. And as I’m looking at what’s happening right now, I’m saying, boy, oh boy, it’s happening again. How?

A couple things, well, a couple of things that are taking place. Israel’s announcement, for instance, to go into Gaza and Gaza City and to begin relocating people there, the Palestinians to other places, the world is up in arms at that. But Israel’s committed, they’ve made a decision. They just called up yesterday, 60,000 IDF, of which 50,000 are to be reporting on the job September 2nd. So it’s imminent. Although some are already, things are already happening in the Gaza as of today. Iran threatened Israel and threatened just a couple days ago, and they put it in terms of they’re going to go to war, which may be the last war. Well, what does that mean? Well, I looked through the lens of scripture. I say, it says they mean business, and there’s going to be a conflict. Well, scripture tells us there will be. North Korea threatened to attack the United States this week.

The US is moving ships and has moose ships yesterday, cruisers or destroyers in 4,000 of our troops jumped right off the coast of Venezuela and maybe invading Venezuela, or more likely probably Mexico, to try to hunt down the cartels. Alright, well, all of these things are things that have just happened in the last few days, Isaac. And as a result of that, I’m looking and saying, wow, how does that fit? Well wars, rumors of wars, it fits in that context. But I’m particularly noting that what’s happening in the Middle East, because it puts attention on Israel, which is where God puts his attention. And when we look there, we’re going to stay on track.

Isaac Crockett:

Amen. Amen. Well, thank you for that, Sam. Thanks for letting us ask you a lot of tough questions. If you would like to send in some questions to us, we’d love to hear your questions too for other ask Sam additions. But thanks so much for listening. We would appreciate your prayers for us here at the American Pastors Network and stand in the gap media. And until next time, I hope that you will make a decision to stand in the gap for the Lord today. Thanks so much.