America’s Sanitized View of Sin
September 26, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Co-host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Guest: Dr. George Barna
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 9/26/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Friday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our monthly focus on culture, values and biblical worldview. And joining Stand in the Gap Today and stand in the Gap tv co-host Isaac Crockett and me Today will be our returning guest, Dr. George Barna, founder of the original Barna Research Group, and now director of research at the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University. Now, as one looks around America and the world, it’s impossible, isn’t it, to deny the rise of lawlessness and hate and division, threats of violence, warnings concerning possible acts of terrorism, wars and rumors of wars, murders, assassinations, and more. The reason it’s impossible to honestly deny these things is because it’s true. It dominates the news. These things are the core thrust of media in videos and movies. And now with artificial intelligence, the depictions of immorality and division and violence is being created out of thin air and thrown into the mix of crime and lawlessness and hate precipitating a literal trend to normalization, which is the goal, the result.
Well, political leaders, religious charlatans, and global elites are jockeying for control, offering fake solutions and presenting themselves as almost a vine solution to our problems. But just exactly what is the cause of these problems? Why is there increasing violence and hate and wars and rumors of wars and division and immorality? Well, the Bible tells us this answer very clearly in many places, including the book of James, where it says, for instance, in James chapter four, verses one and two, it says this, what causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you, you desire or lust and do not have so you murder, you covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. And of course, what is within all people that makes our desires to be a war within us and to extend from us?
The answer is sin. But what happens when people view sin in their own terms and contrary to how God defines it, or to completely deny, for instance, the exist of sin altogether? Well, in reality, it is what we see in America and the world today. Now, this subject of sin is at the heart of Dr. George Barnes’s, latest research and the focus of today’s conversation and the title I’ve chosen to frame our discussion. Today’s this America’s sanitized view of sin, the latest findings. And with that, Dr. George Barna. George, thanks for being back with Isaac and I today on the program.
George Barna:
I’ve been looking forward to it, Sam and Isaac, thanks for having me.
Sam Rohrer:
You’re welcome, George. In your latest report, number nine, people can find on the site, and I’ll give that site here again in the program. But number nine, it’s entitled, identifying common sources of confusion about sin. You state this, these are your quote. After more than four decades of studying the beliefs of Americans, I’m convinced that few issues are more misunderstood or more spiritually dangerous than sin. You go on to say, my latest report shows that Americans are deeply confused about sin, and this confusion is reshaping the way they view God, salvation and how they live their lives. So George, here to get us started today, why did you focus on this theme of sin and how does it fit into this continuum of your 2025 worldview inventory of which there are now nine reports this year?
George Barna:
Yes, and we’ve been doing the American Worldview Inventory as a national tracking study of worldview in America, and I designed it so that it would be a three year cycle that we’re on the first year of the cycle. We do the national study to understand the incidence level of different worldviews. The second year of the cycle, we do a segmentation focus where we will look at worldview in relation to different segments of our society, whether that’s by age group or race, racial or ethnic group, educational groups, whatever. And then the third year of the cycle, we look at a particular spiritual issue. And so this year is our third year. So the spiritual issue that we’re looking at in this cycle, actually, it’s so complex that we broke it down into a few surveys and we’ve been looking at truth, and then we looked at people’s beliefs about God, and currently we’re looking at people’s beliefs and behaviors related to sin.
And then our final one for the year relates to perceptions about and interaction with salvation. So that’s what we’ve been doing. This is all coming out of research we’ve done in those incident studies at the first year of our cycles where what we were finding is when we look at the seven cornerstones of a biblical worldview, the critical beliefs that determine whether or not you have a strong enough foundation to actually build a biblical worldview, we saw that people’s beliefs and behaviors related to truth and God and sin and salvation were so flimsy that we needed to get a deeper dive into those really understand what was going on so that church leaders and parents, teachers, everybody who has influence on the Christian community could better understand how to help.
Isaac Crockett:
George, we’re running out of time here, but is there an overall problem or a most finding that you want to talk to us about before we dig into this research?
George Barna:
Well, we’re going to be talking to Isaac about sin, and one of the things that kind of knocked me for a loop is looking at the fact that only about one out of every seven Americans have a consistently biblical view of sin. And that’s just based on four simple factors. Do they believe that sin exists? Do they believe that everyone commits sin? Do they believe that they themselves are sinners? And are they willing to accept the idea that there is no human who is good at heart, that we’re all sinners by birth? We come into the world with that inclination, and what we’re finding is that no people aren’t buying into those things. We become very culturally comfortable with sin. We tend to think that sin is a problem that other people have that we’re much better than they are. It’s not something we need to worry about, but we’d be happy to point out how fallen they are. And it’s something that we’re oblivious to in terms of the personal implications of sin. We become indifferent to it, we’re unaware of its impact on our lives, and our response is pretty inert, pretty ineffective. And consequently what’s happened, the bottom line here is that tens and tens of millions of Americans are separated from God because of their sin. They don’t know it, they don’t care about it, and they’re not doing anything about it.
Sam Rohrer:
And George, we just have a couple seconds, but at the same time, they may say they believe in God. That’s the problem, right?
George Barna:
That’s part of the problem. Yeah, there are a lot of things that we say we believe in, but what we find is that his lip service, when you look at the behaviors as I talk about often with you guys, we do what we believe. And so if you say you believe in God, you’d have to care about sin because that breaks your relationship with them. So maybe they really don’t believe in
Sam Rohrer:
God. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, just joining us, Dr. George Barney is with Dr. Isaac Crockett and myself. Today, our theme is this America Sanitized view of sin, the latest findings, research just completed, it’ll shock you. I’m telling you, stay with us and we’ll be back as we walk into some of the findings that have come out of this recent research. If you’re just joining us today, our title is this, America’s Sanitized View of Sin, the latest Findings. Now, the latest findings are in reference to the ninth report in a series done by Dr. George Barna in the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University. And the place that you can find this report and all the previous ones is@culturalresearchcenter.com, cultural research center.com. Now, I would encourage you to go there because we’re referring to portions of that report, but if you have interest, you will find that of more interest to have the entire report in the reports in front of you so you can do that and at that location.
Alright, now, George, in your latest report here, you ask this question, you say, what lies at the root of our nation’s profound misunderstanding of sin. You say, my new findings from the American Worldview Inventory 2025 reveal six major misperceptions that are fueling these mistaken beliefs, all of which run counter to a biblical understanding of sin. Now, I’d like to now consider these six findings, George, but before you identify these six, I noted something. We define terms because defining terms is important to you. It’s important to us, we do it regularly. But in here I noticed you described the findings in several ways. I’m just going to put them out there and ask you a question about them. One, you termed it this way, our nation’s profound misunderstanding of sin in another place, you used the phrase major misperceptions about sin in another mistaken beliefs and in another profoundly misguided. Now, because we know you are very precise in your words, and we must learned that from the words of scripture, why did you use these several descriptions of America’s attitude towards sin? And are Americans just misguided in how they view sin as you found? Or is their view of sin perhaps a predictable voluntary choice and extension of their worldview? Fill that in a little bit, would you please?
George Barna:
Well, Sam, I mean, I would say there are probably two different reasons why I used all that different phraseology. And the first of those is precisely why you fell into my carefully laid trap here, which is that if I use different language, it might catch people’s attention. Sometimes you use a phrase and people just gloss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Major misperception, whatever mistaken beliefs. Sure, sure. But there’s something in there that they might say, whoa, really? It’s a profound misunderstanding of sin or profoundly misguided, whatever it may be. So that’s one of the reasons is to get people to stop and think about this, because frankly, one of the big problems that we’re finding out of this research is that Americans aren’t paying attention. Sin isn’t on their radar, they just don’t care or they cared at one point. But Americans have a short attention span, and so now they’ve moved on.
Now the other reason is that actually each of those phrases was carefully chosen because as you say, language does matter. And I’ll tell you, nobody knows that better than the political left in America today because they’ve tried to refashion the language to their needs. And so here I wanted to use language that would say something specific. When I talk about a profound misunderstanding, what I’m trying to do is refer to this kind of comprehensive confusion about the role and the presence and the influence of sin in people’s lives. But then when I talk about major misperceptions that I’m kind of shifting to people’s attitudes here, the ones that they already have, where they’ve adopted inaccurate attitudes about the personal importance of sin. When I talk about mistaken beliefs, we’re going spiritual here, very deeply spiritual and trying to take a look at what people believe because this forms the basis of their worldview and their worldview forms the basis of every decision they make, every moment of every day in their life.
So this is critically important. And what we’re talking about here is the fact that most Americans, virtually every American, has embraced some erroneous beliefs about right and wrong about morality, about ethics, about sin, about goodness, about humanity, all of these things that relate back to our relationship with God, which is paramount to whether we live the life God intended us to have or not when he created us. When I talk about profoundly misguided there, really what I had in mind was the failure of the local church in America, the failure in its responsibility to explain critical dimensions, spiritual dimensions such as sin and salvation and truth. And we probably won’t be able to get into it today, but a few years back, pew Research did a study I wish I’d done. I just didn’t have the technology to pull it off. They did. So God bless them for doing it, but they took a random sampling of 50,000 sermons from across the country.
They looked at what were preachers and teachers saying from the pulpit. I mean, it’s a long report, it’s got a lot in it. But the thing that banged me in the head and said, whoa, can you believe this? Is that in those 50,000 randomly chosen surveys, only 3% of them spoke at all about sin. Only 3% mentioned sin. This is from the pulpit of Christian churches in our country. And this to me is one of the greatest examples of why Americans have become oblivious to sin. Our churches don’t talk about sin anymore. And so to me, all of these things are very important. They’re absolutely critical to understanding why spirituality in America tends not to be biblical. Our worldviews are not biblical, and we’re reaping the consequences of what we’ve sown. Every choice we make has a consequence or several consequences. And so when we look at how we’re ignoring or abandoning even the concept of sin, that’s having some pretty dramatic consequences in personal individual lives as well as in our culture at large.
Isaac Crockett:
George, speaking of these things that are fueling these views, and I love how you have explained it. There’s really no part that’s left without an excuse, but what are these six things? Can we start with the first one? What is the first of the six beliefs that’s really fueling this view?
George Barna:
Yeah, I know the first one, Isaac, was that less than half of all adults in our country, currently only about 43% believe that sinful behavior stems from a wicked, corrupt heart. It shocks me that most Americans believe that people are basically good at art, that people are good human beings. And so when you take on that mindset that we’re all good, we don’t have to worry about much. Maybe we got to fiddle here and there around the edges in terms of our relationship with God, we’ll tinker with that. We’ll get it right eventually, but we’re not really taking sin seriously because we think, yeah, we got it figured out. We did find that there were certain groups that do better at this than others, but we really didn’t find many groups. I think there was only one group or two segments, people who attend evangelical churches and those who attend Pentecostal churches on a regular basis where at least two out of three recognize that no, we’re sinners. People are not good at heart. When the scriptures talk about the human heart is wicked, the human heart is corrupt. We are constantly deceived by the evil one. We’re buying into his ways and we’re abandoning the goodness of God and the paths that he’s given us. Most people, even church going, people don’t take that seriously.
Sam Rohrer:
And George, we’re just going to be hit the highlights of these. The second one ties right into the concept of truth that you’ve already talked about. Would you share that one and maybe the next one perhaps, and then we’ll carry over a couple into the next segment?
George Barna:
Well, what we find is that three out of five adults, 62% say that sing can be understood as an act of disobedience against God. So I mean, that’s a good thing. It is an act of disobedience against God, but what that means is that almost four out of 10 Americans either do not believe there is such a thing as sin, or when they think about sin, they don’t think that it’s disobedience against God. So we’ve got some definitional issues there. Another thing that we found in the research against six out of 10 people indicate that sin produces guilt, but that guilt is often worse than the sin that created it. This one I find truly fascinating because what it does is it brings us back to the reality that we live in a feelings driven culture. So what they’re really saying here is, yeah, maybe I sinned, but the worst thing about sin is that it makes me feel bad.
It gives me this feeling of guilt and what have we done? We’ve said, you know what? The problem with sin isn’t that we’ve broken God’s heart. It isn’t that we’ve destroyed our relationship with the holy, righteous, and perfect God. It’s that we feel bad. And so we’ve really twisted sin. I mean, sin in itself is twisted behavior. It’s sin that we’ve twisted, or excuse me, truth, that we’ve twisted for our own benefit and purposes, at least we think. And so when we look at this one, I thought it was fascinating that what we’re even willing to say, you know what the biggest problem with sin is that it gives me negative feelings. Another thing that we found is that more than half of all adults, barely more than half say that sin is a life changer. Wow. That means that almost half of Americans don’t believe that sin is going to radically revise everything about our lives.
Sam Rohrer:
Wow, George. I mean, these are remarkable things, ladies and gentlemen. I told you, be stay with us because these numbers are in fact shocking. But the thing of it is they are true and they describe the attitude of Americans today. We’ll continue on these now when we come back. Okay, George, as we go further into your report, number nine, and ladies and gentlemen, again, you can get this report. It’s identified as number nine. You can find it@culturalresearchcenter.com. George, you identified number one is that well, about 60% believe that people don’t have innately sinful heart are basically good at heart. You said about 60% believe that sin produces guilt, but that they believe that the guilty feelings are actually worse than the sin that created it. You talked about over 40% do not believe that sin actually changes a person’s life. I mean, these are staggering things. Go ahead, and if you don’t mind, identify number four and number five right now.
George Barna:
Yeah, I think actually we’re up to five and six, but what we’ve got here is the fact that only slightly more than half of Americans believe that sin can be defined as rebellion against God. Now, that to me was interesting because in the same survey we found that a significantly higher proportion of people said that sin can be defined as disobedience against God. When you put these together, what that means is you’ve got a few million people in this country who say, well, yeah, it’s disobedience, but it’s not rebellion. Once again, this is demonstrating the mindset of Americans, which is saying, pull it back a bit, buddy. Calm down here. It’s not that big a deal. Sure, we made a mistake. Okay, but give it a rest. It’s not like it’s going to make a huge difference. It’s not rebellion, for goodness sakes, that’s a big deal.
So I mean, once again, the mindset of Americans, it’s not a life changer. Maybe the worst thing is how it makes me feel. We’re not worried about what it’s doing with our relationship with God. And then the final thing that we discovered is that only about half of Americans would say that sin is intentional choices we make that we know are morally wrong. And this is interesting because even when you break that down, you gain more insight into how we’re thinking among that half or so who said that? Yeah, these are intentional choices we know are morally wrong. 12% of the people in that 53 said, but don’t get too excited about it. Those choices don’t matter much, really. So now we’re saying that the choices that we make about right or wrong, the thing that the Bible is written about the way of life, that God went out of his way to make sure that humanity has had for more than 2000 years.
Don’t worry about it. It doesn’t matter that much. So what we wind up with is only about four out of 10 Americans who say, yeah, these are intentional choices. Sin is intentional. Choices we know are morally wrong, and these things matter. We find that 4% minimize sin is simply being unintentional mistakes. 14% diminished in significance by saying, there are no absolutes when it comes to sin. What might be sin might not be sin for you. So how can we get all worked up about it? 13% are saying sin is kind of a customized religious distinctive. It’s for those religious fanatics over there who want to have something that they can worry about and pray about and complain about. And then 16% said, well, you can’t define sin because it doesn’t exist. So Americans are all over the map on these things.
Sam Rohrer:
See, this is incredible. And that brings us to the next step, and that is the implications. Alright? As you say, choices have consequences. There must be identifiable ramifications. And in fact, you went there, which you always do so well because in your poem, I’m going to read what you just said. You said this in part, here’s my takeaway. Americans often admit that sin exists but refuse to take it seriously. Focusing more on how guilty sin makes them feel than on what sin does to the relationship with God or their lives. You go on further say that mindset reveals what we love most ourselves while ignoring what matters the most, our standing before and a humbling connection to a holy God. And then you conclude by saying this, as a nation, we’ve made peace with sin, and that puts our souls at risk. And Georgia, I’m telling you, I couldn’t agree more with what you just said, but here’s my question. Can you identify some visible ways in how our nation, because you speak to that, how our nation here we have or our making peace with sin, or as I used the word sanitizing sin, put a picture behind these things that you just said,
George Barna:
Well, let me do it this way. Let me give you a few things I can think of that relate to that. One is that we tend to be more invested in rationalizing our behavior, then repairing it. If there’s evidence that it’s problematic, what would make it problematic? It offends God. It breaks our relationship with God. It undermines our relationship with other believers. And remember, one of the things that Jesus himself said is, you’ll be a disciple of mine when you love other disciples. Well, sin kind of keeps us from loving other people. It harms other people. And so our sin has great impact on so many dimensions of our life, but more often than not, we’re interested in wrestl. Well, let me explain why I did that. Well, there was a good reason for that. And then we go on. Another thing that we do is we minimize sin by recasting God as a deity who’s so profoundly and broadly loving, that he’ll forgive anything and everything to anybody at any time, whether we even know that we’ve sinned or not.
And so there is this in America, it’s actually growing this sense of the universalism of salvation, meaning that God just created you. He loves you. He’s not really worried about that sin stuff. As long as you recognize that he exists, we’re good, buddy. Another thing that we tend to do is to redefine repentance as a momentary feeling or acknowledgement rather than what the Bible describes repentance as being, which is a literal turning around, a reshaping a reconfiguration of our lives and our behavior and our heart. It’s a deeper, more substantial process than we make it out to be. In fact, if you think about how we treat repentance in America off, we say, well, did you say the sinner’s prayer? And so you recite this thing with somebody and then you figure, okay, you’re good to go. And there’s no sense of, okay, wait a minute.
That’s the starting point. You just put your foot over the starting line. We got a long way to go before we get to the finish line. And it’s not about works, but it is about the transformation of our mind and our heart and our souls such that we recognize sin impairs our very being, our physical being, our intellectual being, our spiritual being. And so we’ve got to turn things around dramatically. Another thing that we do making peace with sin is that we justify it based on information or encouragement that we get from non-biblical sources. One of the things we found in this study is that, and I give the percentages in the report if people are interested, but people get ideas about sin and goodness and salvation and purity from their friends or from national or state or local laws, or from the society’s standards that we tend to march in sync with or from teaching.
We got when we were in school, we get it from our feelings, from how we think. Sometimes we think we’re logical. I can tell you looking at what we think about sin, we’re not, but we think we’re being logical. And so we run with our ideas. Sometimes we simply run with the majority’s beliefs and say, yeah, that must be right. Most people believe it. So there are all these non-biblical sources of wisdom that we use to justify what we’ve done, which in God’s eyes constitutes sin, but in the world’s eyes is not sin. So these are just some examples of what goes on in the minds and hearts of Americans, rather than simply stopping and say, whoa, I got to go back to God’s word. That’s the only valid, consistent, reliable, relevant source of truth every moment of every day. It is never wrong. Why not? It comes from God. So what? God is the embodiment of truth, and He loves us. He wants us to succeed. He wants us to have a relationship with us. So he put that truth in writing for us in His word, and it always proves to be true and right and valuable. That’s where we need to go.
Isaac Crockett:
George, do you have any real quick as we finish this, any evident implications of things that have changed or are about to change because of these views on sin?
George Barna:
Yeah. I mean, again, in the study we talked about that what we find is that we’ve revised our moral standards based on what we think is sin rather than what the Bible teaches us to be sinful. So for instance, now in America, a majority of adults believe that it’s okay to lie if it protects your best interests. It’s okay to cheat on your income taxes. It’s okay to get drunk to gamble, to have sexual relations with somebody that you’re not married to if you’re a single person. It’s okay to have sexual fantasies about somebody other than your spouse, homosexual, marriage, abortion, euthanasia, working on the Sabbath. We’ve redefined all of these things to be a okay, why? Because we feel they’re ao, okay, and they’re more comfortable for us. And so what we’re doing is we’re rejecting the Bible as truth. We’re basing sin on our feelings and what we need, and it’s not doing us any favors.
Sam Rohrer:
Ladies and gentlemen, that’s what we always say. What is your authority? Is that the word of God or is it something else that has become God? We’ll talk about the implications. What difference does it make? Ladies and gentlemen, the report from which we’re discussing with Dr. George Barna today is titled number nine. It’s in the series that you can find on the website@culturalresearchcenter.com. I’d encourage you to go there. You can get the entire report, all of nine so far, including the one today that’s focusing on sin. George, your research is always an eyeopener. In part it’s because you’re by the only one who does research with as much integrity and Bible focused as you. That does help. But also your research traverses nearly a generation about 40 years. The earlier quote I gave from me, you referenced that that allows for a really great observation and perception to go into how you phrase the questions and how you analyze it.
But you’ve identified so many things, including this was a previous report that approximately, for instance, 66% of Americans self-identify as Christians, yet only about three to 4% would actually manifest as true biblical disciples. So that’s a big deal. Your research has confronted our nation, I’m going to say a shocking reality that can only be remedied as we’ve talked about so many times together in this program, a spiritual change starting with our awareness of sin and therefore our need for a savior. We’re talking about that today. Yet the trumpeted solutions, I think that keeps surfacing in general sense, continue to be the same ones, work harder for the next election because that’s going to fix it all or give to this political campaign or this human movement framed by human strategy or maybe accompanied by clever memes and increasingly enhanced by artificial intelligence as a solution to our problems. And I say that because just Tuesday at the United Nations, our own president emphasized for instance that ai, artificial intelligence can keep bio weapons from harming people because as he said there, we can trust ai. Wow. So I ask you, George, as we conclude this program today, what difference does your latest research regarding Americans attitudes towards sin actually make? That’s a question you ask. What difference does it make? And I’m going to put it in this context. What difference must it make?
George Barna:
Well, Sam, I think there are several things that hopefully the report would encourage people to do, and the first of those, and maybe the easiest one for people to engage in is self-examination. When we look at our beliefs about sin, I think there are a lot of questions we need to ask ourselves. How do we define it? Do we understand that it’s disobedience, it’s rebelling, it’s an offense against God, it breaks God’s heart. It’s more than just making a mistake and moving on down the path without worrying about it. Where are we getting our information about what constitutes sin? Is it something where we look outward and we ask society to define it for us, whether that’s through laws or society’s standards or the public will, or are we deciding instead that it’s got to be God because it’s a sin against God? It’s only a sin because it offends him, it breaks his law.
He’s the law giver. Are we recognizing the benefit of guilt When you touch a stove that’s hot, the body recoils in pain, and that’s one of the mechanisms that God gave to us to recognize this is dangerous. Well, guilt is an emotional reaction that he gives us to know when we’ve done something dangerous. And so we have to recognize that. But do we think about those things or do we just say, oh, man, what is my problem? I’m wrestling with these feelings of guilt. I’ve got to get rid of them. Well, maybe the best way to get rid of them is to recognize why they came. What is our response to sin? Is it repentance? Is it revisionism? Is it ignorance or defiance or denial? Is it blame? Well, it wasn’t my fault, somebody else’s fault. I had to do that because of them. What is our response to sin?
Can we take responsibility for what we do and go to God and not only ask for forgiveness, but to ask His Holy Spirit to take control of us, to change how we deal with these things? What’s it doing to our relationship with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Bible, his people, all of those things are affected by our sin. And what kind of accountability mechanisms are we incorporating into our lives through relationships, but maybe also through some kind of tools? A good friend of mine had a problem with pornography, and he said, you know what? I’m using these couple of technology tools that prevent my computer from loading that stuff, and if something gets through, I’m able to break through. It sends a message to two people that I’ve identified who need to get on my case. Well, that’s using tools that God has enabled us to have at our disposal to prevent ourselves from sinning.
What kind of things are we doing? Second whole area is that we might think about America’s future. What are we doing about sin in America’s future as abominable as the assassination of Charlie Kirk was? I think one of the great things that it’s done is it’s raised the possibility that many people who weren’t thinking about spiritual things before now are thinking about it. So a lot of people are saying, well, revival can happen, but you know what? It cannot happen unless we deal with what we think about and how we react to sin, because revival hinges on repentance. So that’s another critical area. And then maybe a final thing that I’ll just mention is it goes back to our churches. I alluded before to the fact that churches are not intentionally, strategically and consistently trying to help people develop a biblical worldview, and so therefore, people are ill-equipped to consistently make good decisions in their life if they don’t have the mind of God, which is what a biblical worldview gives you because we do what we believe.
Without that mind of God, you can’t live like Jesus lived. He lived like he lived because of what he believed to be true and important and significant, and so we’ve got to be in that same vein we’re made in his image, but can we imitate how he did life, having that worldview and therefore behaving that way? Churches are not putting accountability systems for people into place, and they’re not modeling and celebrating the freedom that people have in Christ. What does freedom in Christ mean? It means that we are free from the grip of sin. Instead, what Americans are doing is their championing sin. They’re wallowing in sin. They’re denying sin, but we’re not running from it. We’re not resisting it. We’re not repenting of it, and that’s what our churches have to help us do.
Sam Rohrer:
Thank you so much, George, and we don’t have much time left. Isaac, any comment? And then would you close this in prayer because this is a subject that in fact requires prayer?
Isaac Crockett:
Yeah. My comment would be Amen to everything that George is saying. I think of the hymns, and I love Amazing Grace, the most well-known hymn, John Newton that saved a wretch like me or Isaac Watts with Alas, and Did My Savior Bleed. That saved us a worm. As vile as I mean, he’s intentionally using words that make us see our sin as vile, as wretched, and we need to see it that way so that we can see Christ for who he is and accept his grace. Let’s pray. Gracious, heavenly Father, I thank you so much for what we’ve heard today. I thank you for this program. I thank you for standing the gap today. I pray that those who are listening would see their sins and see their savior, and that all that we’ve talked about would lift our savior up higher. We give him the glory, the honor. It’s in Jesus. Then we pray, we thank you, father. Amen.
Sam Rohrer:
Amen. Amen. Thank you, Isaac. Thank you, Dr. George Barna again for all the work that you do. May the Lord protect and guide and gird you and give you strength for the days ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, I pray that what you’ve heard today, the Holy Spirit will use, allow it to come into your life. May it reshape our lives and make us go forth walking more holy.
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