This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on May 21, 2021. To listen to this program, please click HERE.

Sam Rohrer:                      Hello, and welcome to this Friday edition of Stand in the Gap Today. Hard to believe, isn’t it, that another week has flown through, but it has, and we’re at the end and I hope you’re all looking forward to a great weekend. Well, I’m Sam Rohrer and today I’m going to be speaking with a very, very special guest in just a moment. His name is Dr. Alex McFarland. Now, he’s a former pastor, former seminary president. He is a talk show host and he’s author of 18 books, including his most recent one, The Assault on America: How to Defend Our Nation Before It’s Too Late. Dr. McFarland is an apologist as well. He’s also founder of the ministry, Truth for a New Generation where he speaks regularly to thousands of young people about the truth. What it is, how we can know what it is and why, for the good of all, we must pursue, embrace and defend it.

                                             The title I’ve chosen for today’s program emphasis is this; true truth in America, is it gone forever? Truth has always been a mainstay in our free society. In every free society, truth is a mainstay, certainly in our country. It’s the foundational element necessary in justice as pictured at our Supreme Court with Lady Justice, if you recall that picture, with scales in her hand, truth on one side, balanced by mercy on the other. It’s the core of every oath in every court of law where someone puts their hand up and says, “I do solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”

                                             But it’s also the subject of so many other things. Songs, for instance, including one that I think of, the Battle Hymn of The Republic. So popular during a time of great testing in our country, which says, “Glory, glory, hallelujah. The truth is marching on.” But we also know that it is exactly what the enemies of freedom, the pursuers of bribery and corruption, injustice seek to destroy or ignore or, I think increasingly, redefine. We also know this, that the rejection of truth by any nation spells terrible times for that nation. I think of Isaiah 59, 14 and 15, those verses, where it says this. “And judgment is turned away backward and justice stands afar off.” Here’s the reason, “For truth is fallen in the street and equity cannot enter. Yea,” it says, “Truth fails and he that departeth from evil makes himself a prey and the Lord saw it, it displeased him that there was no judgment.”

                                             There are consequences when truth is thrown down. So in our nation, we know that today, as we speak, deception and lies, bribery and corruption, injustice, lawlessness, pride, arrogancy are seen on every hand. I say truth has fallen in the streets. It’s not preached by many pulpits. It’s rejected by the culture, it’s reinterpreted by the courts. Truth is under assault. So what’s the compelling evidence of that? What’s the cause and the process for how we got here and what are the implications if we don’t change? And then what can we do about it? Those are the points we’ll address today. Here on Stand in the Gap Today, our theme, truth in America, is it gone forever? With that, I welcome to the program right now, Alex McFarland. Alex, thank you for being with me.

Alex McFarland:                Well, Sam, thank you so much for having me. I have such respect for you and the vital work you’re doing and just appreciate you on so many levels. It’s an honor to be on with you.

Sam Rohrer:                      Well, I’m so [inaudible 00:03:37] for the work that you have done and are doing as well. Alex, we have a lot to cover, so I’m going to get right into it. I’ve established a premise here, the assault on truth in our nation, any nation, when that happens, it’s serious. I’ve given just a few illustrations, a few historical aspects of how truth has been embedded into our culture. But like we do in the program, I like to define our terms to begin with. So I wanted to go to you first. Would you define truth as it relates to life and living, justice and order? And in the process, tell me where you’re getting that definition because in today’s economy, it seems like truth is whatever somebody wants to make it. So with that there, define truth, please.

Alex McFarland:                Wow. Well thank you very much, and may I commend you for being willing to tackle such a vitally, vitally important topic as truth? What is truth and how does this apply to me? Well, the definition that I embrace and most of the great thinkers of history and individuals, even if they wouldn’t have said it in these terms, instinctively we know it. Truth is the way things really are. Now it’s called the correspondence view of truth. Truth is that which corresponds to reality. Let’s say the mom asked the child, “Did you spoil yourself or did you eat a cookie before dinner? Either you did or you didn’t,’ and the child goes, “I admit, yes, I ate a cookie.” Well, they owned up to the truth. Truth is that which corresponds to reality.

                                             Now, Sam, in our modern world, so much of the culture, academics, certainly journalism, they have what’s called a relativist view of truth. Truth is merely my perspective. You have your perspective. I have my perspective. So we ask these things, is truth perspectival or is truth pragmatic? Well, truth is what works. The liberals, the socialists would say, “We take money. We redistribute it. That will work.” But this bitter experience shows us that if you just let everybody make their own truth, that’s chaos. There was no king in Israel and every man did that which was right in his own eyes. That’s anarchy. We watched that last summer in Seattle and Minneapolis.

Sam Rohrer:                      Alex, we did, and I want to get in here because I want to get this other question in. So you’ve laid it out, I’m going to put it this way. Truth is the way things really are. Now, even that could be subjective in the eyes of some, but we’re going to hold that for a right moment. Let me come back and ask this question here as we set this up. What do you think about the aspect of truth in America right now, in this context? Is it strong? Is it wounded? Or is it gone? And share a compelling evidence or two to support what you say.

Alex McFarland:                Well, the mere fact that people can get banned from social media for saying … I mean, if you tweet this, if you want to see how fast a tweet can get deleted, just try to tweet, “Men cannot give birth,” and Twitter will block you. I’ve had many tweets deleted. So we’re in an America that big tech, Twitter, Facebook, cannot stomach truth.

Sam Rohrer:                      So Alex, has truth fallen in the street in America? Is it wounded? Is it gone? How would you describe that?

Alex McFarland:                I would say truth is not completely dead, but truth has certainly been fired upon. Sadly, much of the fire has been friendly fire from people, pastors and academics and elected officials, and even sometimes jurists and judges that should be the first to rise in defense of truth or standing with a culture.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, hold it right there, if you don’t mind, ladies and gentlemen, we’ve established the fact that truth is under assault at the least. In some areas, it may have fallen completely. Is it gone? No, it’s not gone because we’re talking about it right now, but we’re going to talk about the process and the cause in the next segment with our guest, Dr. Alex McFarland. How did we get here to the point where at one point in our nation, culturally, truth was pretty much agreed upon?


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, welcome back to Stand in the Gap Today. I’m Sam Rohrer and I’m accompanied today by Dr. Alex McFarland. As I mentioned earlier, he is an apologist. He’s a former pastor. He’s seminary president, has been, and he’s also the creator of an apologetics conferences called Truth for a New Generation. He’s been on with us before, but he travels all over the country, speaking on matters of truth and that’s why I wanted to go to this particular area. My theme today I’ve chosen is this: truth in America, is it gone forever? Now in the last segment, we defined truth from a practical perspective. He did. It’s basically truth is the way things really are. Okay. That’s just a good, simple way to do it. We were getting into really what’s happened in America because where we are right now is not where we used to be.

                                             I’ll go back here to the biblical framework because we’re talking about truth and God’s the author of truth, so let’s go back here. Because of how God has created human beings and he did create us, regardless of the evolutionists, what they say, we are created distinct from animals and humankind possesses the freedom, and I’m going to put in there the liberty to choose. For instance, we choose God or Satan. Eve did in the Garden of Eden, right? We choose to follow good or evil as demonstrated by Joshua when he stood before the nation of Israel and said, “Choose you this day whom you will serve,” and then he said he would serve God. With this freedom to choose, though, comes consequences. That’s one of the blessings of God. It is a blessing. Good choices, as God told his people in Deuteronomy 30, results in liberty, prosperity, long life and security from the enemy.

                                             Evil choices though, God said, results in the exact opposite. Bondage, poverty, a short life and enemy attack. But we also have a choice for truth as well in its simplest form. The Bible says that if we seek truth, we will find it. We are to pursue knowledge and in that get wisdom, so that’s where we’re told to go. On the other hand, as demonstrated in Romans:1, there’s also a process that leads a person and, I want to say if there’s enough people doing this, an entire nation from the point of once knowing truth as Romans 1:25, and it says this, “Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshiped and served the creature more than the creator.” See, all of these things talk about choice. God gives it to us and he lays out the benefits and the consequences.

                                             All right. So with that, Alex, let me go here. It’s clear in our nation that we have, and we are despising the truth, and you talked about it. We are defining it pragmatically in a host of things, and in many ways we have changed the truth of God’s law, that which is into a lie, what we want it to be. So here’s my question. How did we get to this place? I want you to be specific because we don’t have enough time on this program in this matter. It’s important in this country, we can’t beat around the bush any longer. Lay out the process and the cause for this change where we as a nation have walked so far away in the redefining of truth.

Alex McFarland:                Wow, great, great. Sam, you’re doing something so innovative to cover this, but really we are today in our denial of truth and even denial of the almost undeniable things like human biology, we’re feeling the ripple effects of something two centuries in the process. 1790, the German scholar Friedrich Schleiermacher really denied that the Bible is the word of God. He’s called the father of German liberalism. Then Darwin denied that God was the creator. By the 1920s, in philosophical circles, Sam, there was the term postmodernism. In other words, if God is not the creator and God is not the communicator, then God is not the foundation of truth. Well, by the 1960s and here’s to your question, how do we get here, Joseph Fletcher wrote a book called Situation Ethics: The New Morality. Now here is the threefold process. God is not the creator. God is not the communicator, said these thinkers. Well, Joseph Fletcher said God is not the author of morality.

                                             Well, if God is not the focus of moral boundaries, what is? Well, me. I define what is right or wrong. So by the ’60s and it influenced our campuses, it began to influence our judiciary in government. Where we are in 2021, it’s like Judges 5:8 of Israel when they chose new gods it was chaos within the streets. That’s Judges 5:8. Well, we have thrown off truth and our creator and we definitely, even in ministerial circles, people don’t preach or acknowledge the authority of scripture. We’re not in a hopeless situation because there is prayer, there is the Holy Spirit, there is God’s remnant of believers like yourself, but if we do not have the courage to stand for truth, we will descend into anarchy and we will lose our constitution.

Sam Rohrer:                      Alex, in reality, that’s what we see. I’ve described where we are in this sense many ways. this last 2020 and now, literally, truly because of the emergency pandemic aspect. I can say this because I was a legislator and I know exactly what these laws mean. The laws were suspended. The governors have made things … They have suspended civil law. Federal law has been suspended. Then you see the lawlessness on the streets that goes to the heart of exactly what you are talking about. We’ve mentioned on the streets, you’ve mentioned seminary, you’ve mentioned pulpit, we’ve mentioned office. We brought in a few of these, but this is where I want to go next because Satan, the father of lies, as the Bible calls him, is a master deceiver. He questioned God’s authority as the author of truth when he asked Eve what was seemingly a question, “Hath God said?”

                                             Wow, that was a simple thing, but boy, oh boy. So it makes sense that Satan and the enemies of truth would continue to seek to question truth, to subvert the platforms for the teaching of truth and knowledge, like seminaries and pulpit, but then to control the platform for the communication of what should be truth, the internet, the media, and so forth. So I want you to take and connect and lay out maybe some more of how this process between those positions who are entrusted by God to teach and lift up the truth and what has happened to them, and then tie that in with those who are the communicators of truth, the media, the internet, and all of that. Frankly, each of us are communicators, have some kind of communication as well, so kind of put some of these thoughts together.

Alex McFarland:                Yeah. 800 years ago, Thomas Aquinas … This is very simple, but very profound. Aquinas said, “If anything is true, then truth exists.” Well, I mean, clearly some things are undeniably true. That you and I are having this conversation, but a lot of millennials, rather than face truth square on, I’ve had many college students say to me because they were influenced by that movie years ago, The Matrix. They’ll say, “Well, how do we know that we’re not just a program running in somebody’s computer?” There’s this denial, or maybe this unwillingness to even acknowledge that we exist or something, because with the recognition of truth comes the recognition of accountability. I want to say this, Sam, that one of the core things that the church must address is this question of truth, but not only truth, that reality exists, I exist. I must exist because here I am questioning whether or not I exist.

                                             So it’s true that we exist. It’s true that we can know things and it is true that we are accountable to the God who created us. So here in America, I think the pandemic and the way that the constitution and our rights and the rule of law was suspended willy nilly, just because … I look at Gretchen Whitmer up in Michigan and others that have just seized this moment to try to wield their authority. We have got to pray that we return to a constitutional republic. Let me say this, Sam. The first female judge ever in Iran, she won the Nobel prize in 2003. I don’t know what her spiritual beliefs are, but Shirin Ebadi, she said, “Relativism is nothing but an excuse to violate human rights.”

                                             Either we will be objectivist regarding truth, or we’ll be relativists. Sam, if you want to know what relativism is like in its fullest expression, just look at Hitler. I mean, really look at the Ayatollahs. This is part of the genius of America, that the founders knew if we want a free, safe, stable, prosperous republic, man cannot be the God. We must acknowledge the actual deity who is not only God, but specifically the biblical God. That was the genius of this country. Sam, I think in our denial of truth, many people don’t realize historically what a rare thing we’ve got here in this country. So I’m going to say this, I’m going to throw it back to you, but listen [inaudible 00:18:29]. To the gay or the atheist, because those are the two main opponents of truth right now; the sexual libertine or the secularist. I’ll say, “Look, if you don’t want to be a Christian, you don’t have to be a Christian.”

Sam Rohrer:                      Ladies and gentlemen, and you’ll have to come back and finish that, Alex, we’re out of time in this break. Stay with us, ladies and gentlemen, we’ll conclude that thought and I want to move into the next segment to this aspect: what are the implications of discarded or redefined truth?

Sam Rohrer:                      Well, welcome back to Stand in the Gap Today. I’m Sam Rohrer and, again, accompanied today by Dr. Alex McFarland. In that last segment, we just ran out of time. Before I move into the next part, where we talk about the implications to a nation, frankly to individuals of rejecting truth as defined by God and to the nation collectively who rejects or redefines truth, Alex, you didn’t get to finish your thought. Complete what you were saying, if you could, before the break there.

Alex McFarland:                Oh, thanks, Sam. The point is when people say to me at universities, they’ll say, “Well, you Christians, you can’t impose your beliefs on others.” I’ll say that that’s true because Christianity is a choice to enter a relationship with Jesus Christ. But here’s the thing. Our government, our culture was based on belief in truth, and some moral precepts known by all people and binding on all people. Now, the technical term for this is natural law, but here’s what I say, here’s the bottom line, to the gay or the atheist, the person that believes in sexual license or the person who is a secularist. I’ll say, “Look, if you want to be gay or atheist, you can do that. But what we really can’t let you do is tear down the foundation that enables you to walk around as a free, safe, prosperous non-believer or non-moralist.”

                                             So here’s the point. If you want what we’ve got, which is the greatest nation in history, a free, safe, prosperous America, if you want what we’ve got, you have to at least tolerate what gave us this America and what gave us America with all of its success and prosperity and stability. What gave us that is belief in truth.

Sam Rohrer:                      There you go. Alex, perfect. I’m just going to stop you right there because that ties in right well with where we’re going to go here next, because ladies and gentlemen, I want you to track as we’re walking through this discussion. We’ve talked about truth, it exists. It is what is. It is defined by God. We’ve gone there. We’re talking about a society and a culture that chooses to redefine or ignore. We talked about the devil who questions truth, and he’s done it from the beginning. We talked also about when it comes to matters of truth and how God has made us, it’s a choice. From a personal perspective, there are consequences of choosing lies and deception over truth. Throw out truth, you will have lies and deception that’s left. I’m going to suggest that there is both a personal and an immediate and an eternal consequence.

                                             You see, on one hand, God makes it very clear that his eternal principle, his universal principle of sowing and reaping is unavoidable. Hosea 8:7, just one verse I thought of, it says in regard to Israel who rejected the truth, “For they have sown the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind.” On the other hand, see, the consequences for rejecting truth, that was immediate and the history of the nation, as they saw it and lived, they saw consequences, they got the whirlwind, they lost their prosperity, their security and all that. But I’m going to suggest that on the other hand, there are consequences for rejecting truth that are eternal. 2 Thessalonians 2 describes the days, I think in which we live now, where deception and truth will be at odds. Deception will be apparently prevailing. In fact, there’s a time coming when even God himself will permit deception to increase.

                                             Verses 10 to 12 of 2 Thessalonians 2 says this, “Because they refused to love the truth and so be saved, God shall send them a strong delusion so that they may believe a lie in order that all may be condemned who do not believe the truth, but had pleasure instead in unrighteousness.” Wow, that’s a sobering passage, but it speaks to exactly what we’re talking about. Alex, while the benefits of embracing truth, as the scripture tells us, is liberty and prosperity and security and long life, we’ve had it in this country, the consequences of rejecting a truth and believing a lie while is bad in this life, eternally it’s death forever. So it’s really a serious matter. I’d like for you to make a national application now, since our theme is truth in America, is it gone forever?

                                             What are some of the most significant, I’m going to put it this way, adverse implications and results, consequences for any nation, our nation of America, for rejecting truth and believing a lie?

Alex McFarland:                Well, what hangs in the balance is our constitution and the rule of law. Misinformation leads to bad decisions. I mean, you look at everything from the food in your cabinet, to the medicine in your medicine cabinet. If you think you’re taking an aspirin, but it actually is something that could kill you, that’s an example of why ideas and information have consequences. Kids in public schools … and let me say this, Sam, to parents on their graduation, I just spoke at a graduation, and kids are going away to college. Moms and dads, I can promise you, having spoken at more than 200 American universities, I assure you unless your son or daughter is going to a solidly evangelical school … I mean, I’m not going to name names, but Sam, I honestly don’t know. I really don’t know but a handful of colleges that I can unequivocally say are going to uphold the authority of scripture and the constitution.

                                             It is rare, rare, that you can send your son and daughter to a university these days that hasn’t, at least in some degree, been influenced by woke culture. So what hangs in the balance not only is the future of our nation, but really the souls of people. Sam, you remember William J. Bennett. You remember the Book of Virtues-

Sam Rohrer:                      Yes, I do.

Alex McFarland:                I was in a kind of a panel discussion and William J. Bennett was there years ago, and somebody said, “Could you define … What is education? What is the purpose of schools and school systems and the classroom?” William J. Bennett, I think this is brilliant and succinct, he said, “The purpose of education is to expand your mind and save your soul because the pursuit of truth should lead us to the Savior.” Mortimer Adler, one of the most literate men of the 20th century, he was editor of encyclopedia Britannica, he was on the committee that put together the great books of the Western world. For years, Mortimer Adler called himself a happy pagan, but before he died, he became a born again Christian. Adler said, regarding this search for truth, he said, “If you follow the journey wherever it leads and you don’t abandon the search, you will wind up at Calvary.”

Sam Rohrer:                      What a tremendous thought and, ladies and gentleman, I hope you understand what we’re saying. There are immediate consequences in our life, in our own persons, when we make choices that are not based on truth, but there are eternal consequences, which is exactly what, Alex you’re talking about right now. We have just a few minutes left at the end here, and I want to take and make a practical application, Alex, because we have been in a culture now in 2020 and 2021, where we’ve been dominated by this thing called COVID. I’m calling them panic policies where we have really witnessed a remarkable thing, where medical truth and protocol has been set aside. We talked about the laws being suspended and things being done. These things are happening, but at the same time, it seems that there is a silent church, a complicit pulpit, almost, and many religious leaders even sanctioning some of what’s being talked about that arise out of this.

                                             Do you see this inability to think perhaps in times of need and challenge as a part of the implications of more fundamentally rejecting the truth of God’s word perhaps?

Alex McFarland:                Sam, I was very privileged to be friends with Chuck Colson and he spoke for us in our conferences and I was at his funeral in Washington and there with his family. Colson, Charles Colson, said the church is the conscience of the culture. Let me say this. As a pastor, you and I know this, as a minister, we’re called to proclaim the whole counsel of God. I want to say to any pastors listening, preach on Sunday morning verse by verse through the Bible. That way, when you come to the controversial subjects, if any of your parishioners are rubbed the wrong way, you just say, “Well, look, it’s in the texts and I’m preaching sequentially through the word of God, and the word of God says this and that.”

                                             Let me give you an example. Grace Point Church in Bentonville, Arkansas. This is the Bible belt. Arkansas is a very conservative Christian region. So Answers in Genesis had been invited to Grace Point Church in January of this year and I know Terry Mortenson has his PhD from Oxford. Brilliant guy, godly Christian gentleman. I’ve known Ken Ham for two decades. We’ve done work with Answers in Genesis. But look, if Darwin is right and there is no God in our creation, then there’s no judge in our future. The modern moral relativism and the wokeness is an outflow of a belief that denies the book of Genesis and creation. But Terry Mortenson, who I’ve known for years and years, brilliant, gracious, he’s not a flame thrower, but in his talk on creation and the tie between creation and morality, he mentioned homosexuality and transgenderism. Well, the pastor comes out and apologizes to the audience.

Sam Rohrer:                      With that we’re going to have to stop, Alex. Ladies and gentlemen, I’m going to have Alex rephrase what he said, but everybody has a choice. Scripture is a truth or it’s not and it makes all the difference. When we come back, we’re going to talk about the response. What are we doing in light of all of these things?


                                             Ladies and gentlemen, we’re going to conclude now the program with, as we normally do, taking a big thought. Thought being truth in America, is it gone forever? We’re going to answer that. We’ve already said it’s not gone forever because we’re talking about it right now, right? So if you are a believer, you have the truth within you. So the truth is not gone. Now, the truth is severely wounded, though. We’ve talked about that. We see it in our law. We see its absence on the streets of America. It is very apparent. We’ve talked about weak pulpits. We’ve talked about seminaries. We’ve talked about a lot of things, even a lot of Bible school colleges. Our guest, Dr. Alex McFarland, said there was only a handful of those who really teach the truth in a biblical worldview.

                                             So you’ve got to be very, very, very careful. Alex. I want you to, again, just take 30 seconds. You were talking about a church in Arkansas where Terry Mortenson from Creation Research, and we just heard the spot from Ken Ham there. We’re at a church and he made a statement and then the pastor came back. Rephrase that quickly before I go into this last segment.

Alex McFarland:                Well, after giving what the word of God says, the pastor comes out and apologized to the audience and said, “We’re sorry, this man’s views don’t reflect Grace Point Church in Bentonville, Arkansas. If you’re gay or LGBT, we apologize and it’ll never happen again.” Listen, we, the Christians, we have to remember we represent God and his word, and we must, by the power of the Holy Spirit, again live under and proclaim the authority of the Bible. Sam, what we must have is a return to the authority of scripture.

Sam Rohrer:                      Amen. Ladies and gentlemen, we talk about that all the time. You just heard it in an example right then. When those in positions of truth become embarrassed or ashamed because of the truth, I think of the verse that God himself says, “Those who are ashamed of me here, I will respond accordingly in heaven.” There’s a very, very critical thing to understand here. Now let’s walk into a response because while the consequences personally and nationally, we’re talking about that, are enormously beneficial when a person and citizens pursue truth, also are the consequences. We’ve identified some of those. In Deuteronomy 30, one of the greatest passages, God summed up the consequences to embracing or rejecting his truth as he gave it to his people, Israel, and he took them into a land and he said, “All right. I’m going to do all these things for you.” He said, this is what he said.

                                             He said, “See, now I’ve set before you this day life and good, death and evil, choices. If you keep my ways and love the Lord thy God,” in essence, embrace and do the truth. God said, “Then you shall live and multiply.” And God will bless you in the land with what? He talks about liberty and prosperity and families and health and security. He said, “But if your heart turns away and you reject my truth,” he says, “I declare, I put you on the record right now, that you shall surely perish as a nation.” He said, “And you will lose your land and all my blessings.” You can’t make it any clearer than … Then God’s summarized this by saying, “It is my desire for you that you choose truth and thereby choose life so that you and your children may live long lives.”

                                             You see, ladies and gentlemen, God gives us the truth, not to harm us. He gives us the truth in his pattern and his order for living so that we can be blessed. So with that, Alex, this has been the program, the focus here, truth in America, is it gone forever? We’ve defined the truth. We have given evidence of all these things. So what can we do now? I’m thinking in terms of this; the average person listening to this radio program. There may be some in the pulpits who are listening than they are. Perhaps there are some, and I know there are many, younger generation. There are a couple of different audiences out there. Lay out what we can do for those who are wanting to return to truth and regain God’s blessings.

Alex McFarland:                Well, for one thing, and I know this may sound simplistic, Sam, but we need to pray because often at dire moments in history, God responds to the prayers of the church and sends a revival. So we need to pray. We need to stay informed by listening to shows like Stand in the Gap and following what you’re doing with the American Pastors Network. Humbly, let me say we’ve done a few books and conferences too. So pray, stay informed, influence others because 1 Peter 3:15, be ready to give an answer. But 1 Peter, 2:15, this is the will of God that by doing well, you will put to silence the arguments of foolish men. See, we can do apologetics, but you and I, we really are an apologetic. But let me say this as I close; not only pray, stay informed, be an influence, but care.

                                             I would just implore and beg every pastor, every Christian, every citizen, care about truth. The future of the country is in the hands of whoever’s committed and if we would be committed to God and country, care enough to make a difference. Friend, 1 Corinthians 15:58, “Your labor in the Lord is not in vain.” It really honestly really does matter. If we who love God and country will make a difference, God will use what we do. Your labor in the Lord is not in vain, so care about truth and invest your life in making a difference.

Sam Rohrer:                      Alex, one of the things you talked about earlier, which is very true, and I want our listeners to remember this, with truth comes accountability. We do know that we one day will stand before God. I think of the passage in Ecclesiastes, 12:13. At the end of all the consideration of life, Solomon comes and says, “All right, at the end of the day, I want you all to know that all these things that you think are important, they’re not worth anything.” He said, “Fear God and keep his commandments, his truth. Hold the truth, embrace the truth and live the truth. Because at some day, every deed will be brought into examination with every secret thing.” That’s the accountability part that you’re talking about there. Alex, last minute or two that we have, speak to that person who is listening right now, who says, “Yeah, no, I do know who Jesus Christ is. I do have a personal relationship with the Lord. I am a true believer.”

                                             Speak to that person about what should be motivating us right now. It’s just our loss of freedom, but it’s more than that. How are we going to answer it to the Lord? Put that together of why that idea that we should fear God and keep his commandments because our deeds will come forward. Speak on that.

Alex McFarland:                Well, the Palace of Justice in Nuremberg, the very same courtroom where the Nazi war criminals were tried from about 1943 to 1945, on the wall are two things. At one end of the Nuremberg courtroom is the cross and at the other end of the Nuremberg courtroom is Moses and the 10 Commandments and the Nazi war criminals justified what they did by saying, “Well, we made laws, progressive law.” The very same theory of truth and law that the Nazi war criminals tried to defend themselves with is how our nation is operating right now, progressive case law and relativism. What a lot of people don’t realize is 20 years prior in that very same courtroom under the shadow of the cross and under the shadow of the Decalogue, the 10 commandments, that’s where Adolf Hitler had come out with his worldview of the master race.

                                             Now you might say, “Oh, that’s unthinkable.” How, underneath a cross and the 10 Commandments, how could Hitler have gone public with his worldview and then his henchmen defended themselves? But here’s the thing, Sam, that befuddles me, this is the puzzlement. How in a nation of 350,000 Protestant churches and maybe 80 to 100 million professed Christians, how could we be a nation that is imploding on itself?

Sam Rohrer:                      There, ladies and gentlemen, we’re going to have to stop it, Alex. I’m sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, all of you, whatever position you are in, if you fail to open your mouth or walk away from the truth, you become a part of the deception and the lies. Don’t do that. Thanks for listening to us today. Dr. Alex McFarland, thank you for being with us, and ladies and gentlemen, stand in the gap for truth.