This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on August 2, 2022.  To listen to the program, please click HERE.

Sam Rohrer:       While today as we begin this program, Nancy Pelosi has evidently just touched down in Taiwan. Now sadly, in my opinion, as she is meandering around the South Pacific with an unknown mission, an uncertain message, and a fully proven, compromised, and corrupt relationship with communist China and the godless globalists overall and a fairly great disdain for most American citizens, she is an uncertain person at a very troublesome time.

Now, the communist Chinese threat to shoot down her plane, they haven’t done that yet, but that’s being tested and these next hours may prove to be interesting. Now personally, while I doubt that China will do that, they will do something to take over Taiwan during these weak days of a Joe Biden administration, who as a person, they compromised long ago. And I’m going to cover details of whatever happens on this program in the next days. But that being said, we’ll hold further comment on that issue for the moment and then move on to another issue of significance ongoing here at home.

With the draconian and historic COVID-justified lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we all remember them. Those were designed to do what they have done, really, to break nationally economies, create personal and international hardship and chaos. There is one good thing, though, that happened out of that whole thing and that is the elites did not anticipate this, but that’s the mass exodus from the public government school system as parents removed their children by the millions and enrolled them in Christian schools … private schools, but mostly Christian schools … or began to homeschool their children.

And while it took the disastrous and shortsighted stay at home in school masking policies of government schools to shock many parents into the ugly reality of the politically correct and immoral propaganda being taught to their children in the schools. And as well for many, they saw the lack of rigor in academic excellence there, the eyes of hundreds of thousands of parents across the country have been opened. And with that revelation, parents are voting with their feet. You may be one of them. And they are exiting their children from the government schools in droves. Yet now, with this vast exit into private Christian or homeschool options, there’s a renewed push for what is broadly known as school choice, and it’s gaining a lot of traction.

And with this option for direct government funding, because school choice comes in various methods, with this comes the question of motivation. Why would those in government want to do this? And the potential for control through the means of government funded vouchers. Yet there is a man, an organization, that’s been laboring for years trying to awaken parents as to the dangers of government schools beholden not to parents, but to a godless system that hijacked the public school system a long time ago.

And that man, among others, is also raising questions about whether the push for school choice now, this new push, is really in the parent’s best interest or perhaps a strategic best interest of government who sees the need to try to corral these exiting millions from the controlled school system. And that man is Ray Moore leading the movement, Public School Exit. He’s a retired military chaplain with at least two masters in divinity. And I’ve asked doctor, he is really, but he’s also a Lieutenant Colonel retired, but I’m going to refer to him as Ray Moore. And that is his name, Ray. He’s going to join me in just a moment as we examine school choice and Christian education, the good, the bad and the potential trap.

And with that, let me welcome to the program right now, Ray Moore. Ray, thanks for being with me.

Ray Moore:         Hey. Thanks, Sam. And it’s always great to be on. I think I was on maybe a year or two ago, and we look at your agenda and you really are covering a lot of important topics, and I’m glad you’re taking this one up.

Sam Rohrer:       Well, this is an important one to me, and to you, and to many obviously. But let’s start right off with this. Years ago, 20 something years ago, I think you began an emphasis on, you called it exodus mandate. And you did that before anybody ever heard of COVID and before many parents saw the horrors, perhaps up front, of government education. But here’s my question to get it going. Why has the education of children been such a passion of yours, personally, for a long time?

Ray Moore:         Well, I guess it started in our own family. My wife and I started homeschooling our oldest son in 1977 when I was finishing up my theological seminary training at Grace Seminary in Indiana. And I was finishing up my master of theology, and we had moved down to Purdue University to open up an evangelical campus ministry. And we just were in a moment where we couldn’t figure out what to do with his schooling, because he was first grade level. We looked at a Christian school, but it became problematic because of the costs and other issues.

So we decided to do a family school, a homeschool, and that’s how we got into it. And it was an experiment in 1977 and we were probably among the first few hundred families in the modern era. But we didn’t know … It was very early in our own thinking at the time. Our theology had not formed up clearly. But it was such a wonderful thing that was happening with our oldest son that we kept at it and we homeschooled, put them in Christian school usually. And then in 1997, I launched publicly the exodus mandate project, as It’s 25 years old.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay. And Ray, I’m going to jump in on you right now because you laid that basis down. But I want to go into this in the last minute and a half in this break, because you’ve recently started something called public school exodus. It’s not the same thing as Exodus mandate, but it’s similar. And here’s a question for you, Kirk Cameron, who does work with you as well. He said, “In my opinion, the public school system has become public enemy number one.” Because he says, “Whoever controls the textbooks controls the future. Whoever is shaping the hearts and the minds and souls of our children will determine whether or not we live in a free country.”

Well, that clip’s actually on your site, But here, from your perspective, and I think it’s tied into that, give me the top three or four reasons, very quickly here, of why every concerned Christian or patriotic parent should not have their kids in a government school.

Ray Moore:         Well, the first one would be theological or biblical. We believe the scripture clearly assigns the education of children to the family and the church, not government. The government has no biblical or even legal, constitutional authority, in our opinion, to be educating children at the K through 12 level. Now, they’ve usurped that role. That’s the first argument that needs to be made.

The second one is all the harmful things that they’re doing there now. The system is totally corrupt and it’s one of the main instruments that the devil is using to corrupt the culture. We’re not going to win all these other fights that we’re in if we don’t save the children. 80% of Christian children who are public schooled through their entire career abandon the church and the Christian faith. And then another reason is that churches and private associations can fund this system that’s desperately trying to be birthed.

Sam Rohrer:       All right, with that, we’re running out of time. Ladies and gentlemen, when we come back, we’re going to continue our discussion with Ray Moore. Our theme: school choice and Christian education, the good, the bad and the trap. We’re going to give a review, a public education in the next segment, past and present.


If you’re just joining us today, our theme is this: school choice and Christian education, the good, the bad, and the trap. Now, our special guest is Ray Moore. He’s the president of the board of Exodus Mandate. Recently began an effort entitled public school exit, and they have a website at Our discussion today is on this theme of education. We talked a little bit generally last segment. We’re going, into this segment, get into a little bit of a history of public education, past and present.

We’ll go to then Christian education, the rise of Christian education in this country, why it happened. And then we’re going to conclude with the focus on school choice and the potential trap that may be involved in this current push. That’s where we’re going to go. Stay tuned as we continue through that. Now, the concept of education itself, that of teaching children, we know that’s not a recent idea. That’s historic. The understanding that children learn, can learn, need to learn, need to learn facts and principles of living, that’s not a recent revelation either. That’s been obvious from the beginning of time.

But the real understanding of education really revolves around the questions, from my perspective … And I’ve been involved. I have six children, I have 16, now, grandchildren. And I was involved in education when I was in legislature in Pennsylvania for 16 of my 18 years in education committee, I’ve dealt a lot in this area, so I have an interest in it. But I would say that the basic questions of education revolve around this: who, what, when, where, how, and why.

For instance, who? Who’s responsible for the teaching of a child? Who is the teacher of that child? The parent? The grandparent? The church? The government? Christian teacher? A Marxist teacher? The who? Now the what consideration involves what content ought to be taught to the child. What worldview is presented by the teacher of that content or the textbook? What selection process is used to determine what is included in the content? All of those things.

The question of when deals with an understanding of when children begin to learn, when they can grasp the simple to greater truths. The consideration of where obviously involves selection of, where’s the best location for the learning of that child? A home, a brick and mortar building, a government financed school building, or perhaps a dirt floor in front of an instructor somewhere. That’s happened much throughout time.

The how involves the methodology of instruction, of which there are many. And there’s not only one. And it’s modified over time, even as it comes to individual child learning styles. So there’s that. But perhaps the greatest consideration, I think in my mind involves the question of why. Why do parents hold the primary duty for educating their children? Why does God say to fathers and parents to bring up their children in the fear of God? Why does godless government always seem to want to usurp the role of parents in the educational process?

To get my flow, those are things that actually have to be considered when talking about the decisions for educating our children. Okay, with that lengthy introduction, Ray, in this segment, I’d like to give a brief history of public education past and present. Most people think, for instance, that public education has always existed in this country, but that’s not true, is it?

Ray Moore:         Oh, and it’s not well known that for the first 220 years of American history, say around the time of the pilgrims up through the 1840s, we had no state controlled, state sponsored public education in America. All the education services were provided by churches, family groups, and private associations and community groups. In New England, there were sort of a hybrid model where the community and the church were one and the same. There was no real clear proper separation of church and state, so the community schools were the Christian schools.

But in 1840, we date it from 1840, it actually was from about 1837 to 1845. Horace Mann began to develop in New England, particularly Massachusetts in Boston, the idea that the state government would control education. And that was the genius of it. And it spread like a cancer after that throughout all 50 states. But it did take it decades for it to happen. It really didn’t finally get control till around 1890.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay. Right. You established the fact. That’s, again, news for many people. Public education was never the default position in the history of America. It did not exist until around 1840s, approximately, which then brings to the question here, my next question to you: Why then, in that 1840 timeframe, why did government get involved in public schools? Now, you mentioned Horace Mann, just because it wasn’t one man had an idea. What was the culture like that made that idea of Horace Mann actually become accepted?

Ray Moore:         Well, they pulled a trick play on the Protestant clergy. And this is a sad chapter in American history, because this was appeared the 1830s before the civil war was appeared when there was a mass migration of Catholics, particularly the Irish, into New York and New England. And they were Catholic and they weren’t Protestant. And at that particular time, the United States was almost an entirely Protestant nation.

So Horace Mann sold the idea to a lot of the Protestant clergy that we will have state controlled public education, and we will use the public schools to coerce and convert Catholics to Protestantism. And some fell for it. Now, we’re an evangelical group, so we believe in the evangelical message. But it’s still wrong to use a government to coerce any group into your faith. So many people rejected that. But some went for it and they said, “And then you’ll keep your personal doctrines at home, we’ll just teach the Bible and the 10 commandments, but you keep the trinity and the fact that Jesus died for your sins, you teach that in your churches and we’ll just have a generic brand of Protestantism.”

Well, the Catholics rejected that and they pulled out and formed an entirely separate parochial school system, which is still with us today. And that’s how it happened.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay. Well, that’s greatly interesting. Let’s go into this, because … So now, you’ve got Catholic parochial, which still exists. You have the public schools, now going back in time, that still had a very Judeo Christian culture because of the reasons that you’re talking about. There was Bible reading in the school. That was there when I went to school. There was prayer, there were the ten commandments hanging on the wall, and it really reflected a fairly decent instruction. But then that began to change and has changed, certainly so that the government school system today does not look anything like it was, for instance, in the 30s, 40s and 50s, does it?

Ray Moore:         Right. I finished high school … Am I on?

Sam Rohrer:       You’re on. Go ahead. Why did that happen? Why did that change actually occur, where that transition took place to what I just referred kirk Cameron early on said. Now, government schools, public education has become public enemy number one. For a long time after that transition that you mentioned, the public schools really was not at all a public enemy. They had the Bible reading and there were 10 commandments on the wall and so forth. But there was a change that happened. Tell me about that change and bring it up to the current-

Ray Moore:         Well, I finished high school in 1961. That’s how old I am. And we still had prayer and Bible reading and prayed the Lord’s prayer every morning in homeroom. And a pastor would come from town and speak in a chapel once a month. So it was not a Christian school, but it was Christ friendly, Christian friendly. Well, the big change came in ’62 and ’63 when the Supreme Court overruled against prayer in schools and then Bible reading.

A lot of people think that was the beginning of the downfall, but actually, it was the end of the beginning. The downfall started in 1840 when we let the government take control of state education and we gave up education in our churches. It cascaded down rapidly after 1962 and ’63. So suddenly, all this debris and waste and toxins are washing up on our beaches now, but it didn’t happen … The downfall was very rapid after 1962 and ’63.

Sam Rohrer:       And Ray, that’s an interesting thing that you mentioned. And I think that’s distinctive. I want to make a comment on it, that generally speaking, the day when the Supreme Court took the 10 commandments off the walls and said bible reading and prayer were not legal in the school, most would say, just as you said, that was the time that education began to fall off the cliff.

But you’re saying that actually was almost, perhaps, a period on the process that began much earlier when people in this country decided to let government take the primary responsibility to lead education rather than the parents and the church. And I think that is an extraordinary observation. I appreciate you making it. We’re just about out of time here, so I’m just going to go on. But ladies and gentlemen, I hope that this little bit of a look back helps to frame where we started. And obviously, where we are right now, doesn’t look anything like where it was when we started. And it had an awful lot to do about who took the lead. So when we come back, we’re going to look and move into Christian education. Because in this framework, in the middle of the last century, the idea of Christian education began to surge forward. I’m going to talk to Ray Moore, our guest today, about the history now of Christian education: the rise and the why’s. Why did that happen last century? We’ll build that out in the next section.


When it comes to Christian education, now we just talked about the history of public education in this country. It never started that way. Education was always in the domain of parents and the church as a community, but it was never a government. And you will not find … I don’t know any state constitution, certainly not the federal, that gives any right for involvement in education. None. Because it is with parents.

Now, I will say this: as somebody who’s been in office before, here is the linkage to government. Government has … I know in the Pennsylvania situation here, because this is where I’ve served for many years … It’s generally in this phraseology: government has a public interest. That’s different. Those in government, certainly, we had an interest in what education is all about, but no authority for control. Now, that’s important to understand.

During the last century, things happened in public education, as it continued to devolve, gives rise to Christian education. And Christian education deals also with those questions that I ask: who, what, when, where, how, and why. Because in that, if we don’t answer it biblically, it’s going to be answered by, as what we’re seeing today, godless in government. Now scripture, though, does reflect that children … which we’re talking about education of children … children are a gift of God to parents. Not to government, to parents. Parents specifically, the father has a duty to train up that child in the fear of the Lord to seek truth as stated in Deuteronomy chapter six: to teach God’s ways to the children from the morning to the evening throughout all of life, all of the day.

The reason? So that we can learn to fear God. Those children can learn to fear God and keep his commandments, which alone brings the blessing of God, security, prosperity, long life, good health, all results of God’s blessing. Now, here’s an interesting thing. When Harvard University … And our guest Ray Moore talked about it … When you go back into the days, the early part of our country, the Puritan days, the Pilgrim days, Harvard University was established in 1636, one of the first things. It was begun for the purpose of teaching men how to preach the gospel. Important. Well, Harvard or Yale today, they know nothing about that, right?

But that’s what it was to begin with. And at that point in time, the why part of education was very important and they laid it down. Matter of fact, they established the principles for education and put it on the wall of Harvard University. It’s on a plaque there now. The last time I saw a picture of it, it was overgrown with ivy, not a wonder. But this is what it says. Listen to the wisdom of this. This is the purpose for education. “Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well that the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ, who is eternal life.”

On the same plaque, it says this, John 17:3 then as a reference. And it goes on and says then, because of these things, “And therefore, to lay Christ in the bottom as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning.” That wasn’t just for the person preparing for the pulpit. That was carried over for all of K to 12 education, teaching of children. Now, what a difference.

Okay, Ray. I’ve entitled this section here right now, the rise and the why’s, W-H-Y apostrophe S. The why’s of Christian education. As we did in the last segment with a history of public education in America, let’s revisit the history of Christian education in America. Because in addition to the biblical underpinnings of education, describe the early days of education in America, Christian education: whose responsibility it was, how it came about, put all of that into the timeline that you were building out in the last segment.

Ray Moore:         Maybe I could just segue back to the beginning. We mentioned, and I’m chairman of the board of that group. It’s three years old. But the actual CEO and president is Dran Reese in San Diego. And she was, the instigator who asked me if I would come on the board, so I did. And I serve on the board along with Alex Newman, who’s really one of our up and coming young leaders.

It’s important just to put that out there. And I’d urge you to have both Alex Newman and Dran Reese on your program at some point in the future. Okay now, back to the other question. We’ve always had Christian education. I’ve got a lecture I gave, it’s called What Once Was, Can Be Again: Christian Education and the Reformation. And that’s actually on my webpage, And it’s only at 28 minutes long. I’d be honored if people would take a look at that. It’s actually a video: What Once Was, Can Be Again.

And we examined there, the history of Christian education down through the centuries, say from the early church, particularly during the reformation. And the reformers all were as much into Christian schooling and Christian higher education as they were into the five solas of the reformation. Now, when it comes to our country, we could say in some degree it was founded because of a desire for Christian education. The pilgrims left Holland, if you may remember, and came to Plymouth because their children were leaving the faith because of the culture, and they wanted to provide a sound and a good place for them to grow up as Christians.

And that’s all in the writings of William Bradford. From that period right up to 1840, there were no state sponsored public schools. And I’ll emphasize that, because they did sometimes talk about public schools, but all they meant was that they would be for the public and run by the public, and they were mostly Christians. This is a renegade system that’s taken over. It’s not the original American model, and it’s certainly not a Christian model. Now in modern times, Christian schooling revived itself in the 1970s and 80s. But in our day, it’s taken off and growing exponentially.

And we are in a kairos moment right now for the growth, the major growth, of Christian schooling and homeschooling. Kairos moment is a Greek … Kairos is a Greek word for opportune time. English doesn’t have a word quite like it. Greek has two words, Chronos, which is we get our word chronology, and Kairos. We are in an opportune time with a massive growth of K-12 Christian education or homeschooling.

For instance, since the pandemic, or when the pandemic started, let’s say in March of 2020, I believe it was … may have that off a little bit. They shut down the public schools. And at that time, there were two and a half million children being homeschooled nationally, which is pretty good. And they closed the schools and 55 million children were suddenly sent home for a time. Couldn’t go to school. And since then … And we believe and we believe we can verify this … that five or six million children now are going to be permanently homeschooled, most of them Christians. And it could go high as eight or 10 million, the jury is still out on it, because of their pushing critical race theory, mandating masking and vaccinations in schools.

And a lot of parents are just not going to do that. And a lot of non-Christians are leaving the schools. Private campus Christian schools are growing at a rate of 10, 20, 30 in some cases, 40% a year. And I’m dealing right now with several dozen cases of groups that are forming up, and several in my community here and all over the country, setting committees up in churches to start up new Christian schools. And we believe there are going to be hundreds of those forming this year, perhaps, and certainly in the next several years.

We’re in a kairos moment, which means a divine moment. It’s using the Bible to describe very large events in God’s economy, like the reformation was a kairos moment. The rise of the early apostolic church was a kairos moment. And we’re in one of those moments. And we believe that it’s possible … The jury is still out, as I said … that we could grow this movement to 30 or 40% of the total K-12 education. And we could collapse the public school model. Literally, it would implode and fall apart. And then there would be a mass rush, a tipping point would be reached and there will be a mass migration into private Christian and homeschooling.

That’s what we’re working toward. And we really would like to abolish the state model all together and return back to the original American model before Horace Mann, and that would be in keeping with the biblical model as well.

Sam Rohrer:       And Ray, that’s a super and quick overview. But anyone listening right now would say, well yeah, if that’s happening … ” And I tell you, I know it’s happening. Listeners to this program all across the country, many could be actually a part of those parents who have taken their kids out. And there are many unsaved parents who have taken their kids out of the public school. And I know some who’ve actually come to Christ because they’ve taken and put their kids into Christian education. So this is a Kairos moment. It really is.

But when those in the government who seek to use the schools to inculcate our children with Anti-god views, LGBTQ views of morality, no 10 commandments, no recognition of God, they are also noting this exodus. And ladies and gentlemen, and that does give rise to what we’ll talk about in the next segment, is that, well, if you can’t fight them, maybe you can bring them in. And that’s where school choice comes into the picture, and we’re going to tell you what is happening at this moment in regard to, well, some of the current push by and for school choice. I’ll have Ray update us on where we are on that issue in the next segment.


Sam Rohrer:       All right. Well, we set up the program here now for a discussion on this matter of school choice. We don’t have nearly the time to get into the broad evaluation and description of the wide range of school choice, so we’re going to narrow this down to where we are right now. But I can say this: from well over a generation since what I’m going to term the rise of what we would term now the brick and mortar Christian schools … Although again, Ray has given a history. Christian education goes way back, obviously, right?

But the movement that we would term Christian school, brick and mortar coming out of our churches and so forth, generally in the late 60s, 70s and so forth, in that area, same time homeschooling began to grow as well. And as Ray was saying in the program, he started to homeschool with his wife, his children early in the process. So did my wife and I. We were one of a few at that point, and it was a hard thing to do. Now, it’s really become a movement.

But government, all from that time, began to try many ways to stifle the growth of any alternative to government schools, public schools, mostly seeing it as competition in the classroom, competition for funding, a lot of ways. And it was just an entity that they could not control. I can say that, because I was in the legislature for 20 years. I had to fight this battle. But the fight legislatively to recognize parental rights in education was a major battle in the 80s and the 90s. And again, as I mentioned, I was a part of that here in Pennsylvania. It was a big issue across the country.

And during that time, the concept of school choice arose where many people began to float the concept of somehow accessing, granting government money and give it out to schools or to parents to ostensibly help parents educate their children. And here in Pennsylvania, I was here for a fight where our then governor at one point, Tom Ridge, led the fight here in Pennsylvania … Many states were under the same kind of thing … but led for school choice, and specifically, a mechanism called vouchers.

Well, at that point I and others saw vouchers … because it was government money voted on by the legislature to be given out to parents … I saw it as a Trojan horse then to control Christian and private education. And ultimately, I opposed that here in Pennsylvania, and we worked instead and were able to pass a comprehensive tax credit approach to education to provide financial assistance to parents in Christian schools here in Pennsylvania. It’s called the educational improvement tax credit, and allows for businesses to direct taxes that they were going to pay to the state to an entity that would provide funding for students of need in Christian education.

It avoids all lawsuit, keeps the money out of the state coffer so it’s not government money. No action of lawsuit here or anywhere in the country for this approach. And we were able to defeat vouchers because we knew it was going to be a mechanism to control the schools. Now, there is, because of the exodus of so many people from the public education system, as you heard Ray talk about, the issue of school choice in the form of vouchers is coming back up again.

The question there, is that really now vouchers as school choice and the interest of parents, or perhaps a trap being set by government to control Christian education? Okay, Ray, I set it up at best I could. Share with us a little bit about the current and the increasing push for vouchers to help parents choose alternatives to government schools. Who’s doing it? What’s involved in it?

Ray Moore:         Yes, it’s a real threat. And it’s an odd thing because it’s being pushed by a lot of conservatives and Republicans, which is generally where we would normally find our political alliances. It’s an odd thing. The left, many of the Democrats, are against vouchers and school choice because they see it as a threat to the monopoly of public schools. But I’m against it because it’s a threat to the autonomy of private and Christian schools. It is a trap.

I mentioned earlier in my talk about the early beginnings of public schools in the 1840s, how Horace Mann tricked the Protestant clergy then to think they could use state controlled public education, to coerce Catholic children. And you don’t have to be a Catholic to know that’s wrong is wrong. It’s wrong to coerce anybody’s children using the government to do it. But this is another trap, another trick play, and it’s coming from our friends. And it’s very hard to fight your friends on this.

But we’ve got to avoid the voucher, and I’d urge your audience … I know you’re in different states … Talk to the Republican legislators not to adopt the voucher. Now, we’ve known this for a long time. But recently, our close friend Alex Newman uncovered the fact that the UN, UNESCO, has a plan to use tax money to control private schools. And he’s put this out on the Newman Report and Liberty Sentinel. And we have a copy of it at our office if you want me to send it to you. It’s kind of a long report. Can’t go into it extensively now, but contact me at exodus mandate,, if you would like to read this report.

And it’s so significant, Sam, that I think you might want to have him on your show just to discuss it in detail, because he says that UNESCO has a lot of information about how they’re going to use government money to take final control over the private school system. They’re very explicit about it. So they do not believe that parents have the responsibility to educate the children. It belongs to the state or to government. And we know already that the UN and our federal government are almost like they’re merging on some of these concepts.

Let me read you a couple of quotes. He says, “It will allow for the collection of all children’s social and emotional data to measure compliance for our future social credit system.” That’s called social, emotional learning. They’re going to control the schools if we take the money. We have a saying in our movement: when you reach for the money, the handcuffs go on. And a lot of people say, “Well, I’m against the voucher if there’s strings attached.” No, the voucher will be a chain to the public school, to the Christian school system, so it can’t be accepted.

And we’ve got to resist it politically, because once it becomes law, then it puts the non-voucher schools at a distinct disadvantage. I was talking to a leader in this state the other day and she said, “Well, you don’t have to accept the voucher.” What will happen if … And I said, “Look, if it becomes law … How many people are going to go out and buy a General Motors product if the government is giving away Fords? Everybody gets a free Ford?”

It will economically put the non-voucher schools at a disadvantage. And in many cases, they will be forced out of business just through the pure economics of it. So no, it’s not our answer to say, “Well, you don’t have to accept the voucher.” You’ve got to oppose it politically in your states, and you’ve got to talk the legislators into seeing that this is dangerous to the private Christian schools. And most of these Republican legislators like Christian education homeschooling. But why would they want to harm their most loyal, faithful constituency?

If anybody is hearing this and interested in this report by Alex Newman, I can send it to you and you might be able to look it up. It’s called the UN Report: Use Tax Money To Control Private Schools by Alex Newman on the Newman Report. He’s one of our up and coming … Well actually, he’s not up and coming anymore. He’s one of our top Christian journalists in the nation. The New American magazine regularly, he has a Liberty Sentinel and he is on a Lindell TV too.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay. And that’s fantastic. And Ray, we are out of time, but that’s a lot of information. And ladies and gentlemen, I could give you many more reasons for saying government issued vouchers are problems. I don’t have time to do it, but I’m saying it is, in fact, a real problem. There then is a trap. But the movement of parents taking their kids out of government schools, that is a very, very good thing. And I hope this was a helpful program to you today.