This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on July 28, 2022. To listen to the program, please click HERE.

Sam Rohrer:                      Well, recently CNN posted an article on their webpage entitled this, An “imposter Christianity” is Threatening American democracy. Now, the article was written by John Blake, who then appeared with Don Lemon on CNN to discuss his article. Blake’s written other articles before CNN, including an August 2017 article entitled “White Supremacist by Default. How ordinary people make Charlottesville possible.” Now, the effort to establish a direct linkage between racism and white Christians is fairly recent and it does reflect a new and strategic attack on Christianity and true Christians specifically. Popular for the last seven to 10 to 15 years or so, this strategy is in part a reflection of the growing secular population of the United States. Would be opinion shapers like John Blake fulfill a very important role for the secularist as they seek to give reasons for people to discard religion generally and Christianity in particular in exchange for secularism and globalism and probably every other kind ism.

The title I’ve chosen for today’s constitutional update with attorney David New and accompanied today by Gary Dull as co-host is this, What imposter Christianity? Setting the record straight. Now, before I bring in David and Gary on this important subject in the next segment, I want to invite back in calling right now, direct from Ukraine, our APN international director and lead on our Ukraine initiative and 10 Man project, Pastor Dale Armstrong for an important update. And with that, let me walk him into program calling in live. Dale, how are you? And glad to have you on board here today.

Dale Armstrong:               Hey Sam, thank you so much for having me. Doing very, very well and always appreciate every opportunity to share online.

Sam Rohrer:                      We’re glad to have you on, excuse me, to get a real brief update. To start with, Dale, can you update for our listeners and many partners on this program who are part of our help with our 10 Man project build off of something that we highlighted last week? And that’s how God is so mightily blessing and multiplying our efforts there and the funds which people have been so generously providing. Can you do that please?

Dale Armstrong:               Well, it is amazing. I don’t know if I’d lay it in the realm of the miraculous, but it certainly is in the realm of the wonderful, Sam. It’s loaves and fishes. When the Lord led us to buy medicines that were manufactured here in Ukraine, we began to develop relationships where prices just got lower and lower. And just recently as we mentioned before, we sent 2,500 IV kits to the east to frontline hospitals, comparably $40 a unit in the United States, which would be $100,000. That’s a lot of money, but it’s also a big need to fill. Sam, we were able to fill that need for less than $2,500, 90 cents per IV kit. And that’s just one example of the amazing things that God’s been laying at our feet literally, so that we can be a blessing.

Sam Rohrer:                      And Dale, just before Gary asked you a question here, I just want to make one comment. Last time when you were on with us, I used the example of the multiplication of loaves and fishes, which is something we know from scripture, but that’s how I would describe what you’re talking about because it’s not limited just to that one item. It’s a range of things that are needed by people. And in this case, you’re talking about hospitals that didn’t, and we’re able to fill that need, but these kinds of needs are also being distributed through our churches and our pastors as well. So anyways, I just want to mention that. Gary, go to you. Get a question for Dale.

Gary Dull:                           Yeah. Dave, I was just hearing what you had to say. I think it’s tremendous what God is doing through the initiative there. There are a lot of other initiatives taking place to help out the Ukrainian folks, but how do you see our Ukraine initiative and 10 Man Project being so unique as compared to some of these other humanitarian relief efforts that are taking place?

Dale Armstrong:               Well, actually that is key, Gary. First, my immediate response is because we focus not on doing the actual work, but by empowering the Ukrainian pastors, many of whom we’ve known for more than 30 years. But by empowering the pastor, we are also able to multiply our efforts because these men know where the needs are. These men know where the experts are. Just as you Pastor Gary, you know who in your church is a plumber, you know who the carpenter is. And in the same kind of situation when these crisis are going on and we empower the pastor, they get so much done so fast, it makes your head spin. And it’s a delight to watch it.

Sam Rohrer:                      I think Dale you’re describing a biblical model. And that’s what we’ve tried to do from the very beginning. Take and say we have a need as Christians in America to meet the need of Christians there in that area. So many relationships between American Christians and Ukrainian Christians. And to follow the biblical model that is working through pastors in the churches’ accountability. All those kinds of things are so greatly blessed. Now in the last minute and a half here before we go to the break, Dale, God’s laid something on your heart as a vision for Ukraine and what’s happening there and how God is using your efforts, our collective efforts as we’re working through the churches in Ukraine. Can you just share a little bit what God’s kind of put before you and your mind and your heart?

Dale Armstrong:               Thank you, Sam. Yeah, my heart’s cry is very simple, is that there’s too many pastors here that I can’t reach. There are literally hundreds of pastors who are out doing what needs to be done on their own abilities, robbing literally their gardens to fill their car full of food or selling vehicles so they can buy medicines. We can’t reach all the pastors to empower the pastors yet. My heart would be to speak directly right now to everyone listening, is we’ve had such amazing feedback from pastors across the United States. But dear sir, if it would be in your heart to raise up a 10 Man team in your church, we will certainly help you every step of the way, because we believe we need 50 teams. We’re on the fifth team right now, but we believe we need 50 teams. I’m sure there’s 50 churches throughout America that could rise up to this and help us and work together with us. Sam, 50 teams is 500 men, but it’s also $5 million. And if it’s $5 million like loaves and fishes, only the Lord knows where and how far that will go.

Sam Rohrer:                      And so ladies and gentlemen, you’ve heard, you’re listening right now to Pastor Dale Armstrong. He’s our international director leading our Ukraine effort in our 10 Man Project of which so many of you have been generously partnering as well as many of you praying. And there are many of you listening right now who have not perhaps either prayed or partnered. Can I put before you this challenge? If you do, I really honestly believe that God will, in essence, take what you do and lay up treasure in heaven as well as providing the means and the needs of these folks, these Christian folks in the nation of Ukraine that’s under such assault right now. is where you can go. I’ll just give that as a reference. You can partner. You can give. You can give specifically Ukraine initiative or to APN for our general needs or to this radio program. All can be taken place there. I would encourage you to do that.

When we come back, we’re going to bring in David New and talk about What Imposter Christianity.

Sam Rohrer:                      Well, the use of the phrase imposter Christianity or white nationalism or warrior Christ or any variation thereof are words very carefully chosen to create a specific image, designed to shape the public discourse so as to disparage Christianity to diminish and tarnish those who are patriotic and Christian. These things are a strategy of deception. And they’re geared to divide, not to unify. It’s in these days that all people and all truth seekers and God-fearers pray for wisdom, know the word of God and pray for holy spirit discernment so as not to be captured by the enemies of truth and actually then become the enablers of evil and deception themselves. It can happen.

David, welcome in to the program now. It’s great to have you back as we get involved into a topic here that has really come to the fore in the last days. It’s a trending thing on social media even as we speak. Something is about to happen. This issue is being vaulted forward and it does tie in with our country. It’s certainly. That’s the idea of nationalism. We want to walk through that with you. But with that anyways, thanks for being on board and it’s great to have you here.

David New:                        Well, blessings to everyone listening with us today.

Sam Rohrer:                      David, actually, you and I and Gary, we’ve chatted a little bit about this article. I’ve referred to this article by John Blake that appeared in CNN. He’s the one who used this title, Imposter Christianity threatening American democracy. You’ve looked at that too because there were things in it that caught your attention, catching a lot of people’s attention. But defining terms is essential. And we talk about that regularly on this program. One of the tactics of deceivers and promoters of propaganda, which I’m going to put this group of people into that, is to take commonly accepted terms and agreed to definitions and then redefine them. And when it comes to the phrase of white nationalism or imposter Christianity as used by John Blake, he did one thing that is a little bit helpful and he actually gave three somewhat definitions of the term. Let’s just walk through each one of those as we can one at a time, define it, give what he gave and then describe it just a little bit. And then we’ll take and rebut some of these things in the next segment. But go, take off. What did he say first?

David New:                        Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, you can download that article by John Blake, B-L-A-K-E, from your webpage on the CNN webpage. His basic argument is that there are three basic mistakes that I guess people like me are making. First, “A belief that the US was founded as a Christian nation.” Well, there’s a real problem with that because America was founded as a Christian nation. His second is “A belief in a warrior Christ.” Now, when he says that, what he means is that there are white Christian nationalists who believe that they are authorized by Scripture to engage in acts of violence. That’s what he’s basically saying. The third one is “A belief there is such a person as a real American.” What he’s saying here, he quoted Sarah Palin and talked about her a lot because she talked about the real American. What he’s basically saying is unless you voted for Trump, you’re not a real American. Well, I’ve never said that. I don’t know anybody frankly who has ever said such a thing.

And then he finishes his article with a topic like this, “Why white Christian nationalism is a threat to democracy.” Now, of course, he knows what he’s doing. When you say white Christian nationalism, that is a code word for people who are white, who are Christian and maybe who believe also that American is a Christian nation. Not all Christians do. But basically he’s using that as a code word because the moment you put the word white in there, he really is saying we are racist. That’s what he’s really saying. The moment you put the word white in front of anything, you are basically calling that group or that individual a white supremacist.

Gary Dull:                           David, this is what I believe to be not only an interesting, but a very serious article. I mean, when you look at those three contentions that he brings up, that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, and of course we believe that it was, and then he talks about they believe in a warrior Christ and that there is such a thing or a person as a real American, if you don’t mind, and these are very interesting terms and concepts that I think that we should study through and take a look at, but as it relates to John Blake, can you share with our audience who he is, what is his background and what do you really believe his contention is in writing this article? I mean, to me it appears to be something that really does come out of the far left. It comes from the perspective of someone who does not understand Christ or Christianity, or even the foundation of our nation. But what is his background and what do you believe that he is attempting to achieve in this particular article that has been picked up by CNN?

David New:                        The latest strategy by people who do not like the Christian religion is to call it a racist religion. Now, back in the ’60s and the ’70s and the ’80s, seculars, when they wanted to attack Christianity, they basically said three basic things. Number one, there’s a separation of church and state. Number two, the constitution is a secular document. Number three, the first amendment. That was their strategy in the ’60s, ’70s and ’80s, and all the way up to 2010. But starting around there, things start to take a different turn. They now are more interested in talking about white Christians as being racist. And if you know in some of these public schools, they teach the kids. If you’re white, you are a racist. You can’t help but be a white supremacist if you’re a white person. You have no choice. You’ve heard of this stuff.

So they have changed direction. And I’m sad to say it has become very effective in many circles. But the damage is enormous because when you put that kind of lie into the culture, you are fanning the flames of racism. And today, the race relations in the United States, to some extent by these people, is worse now than it was in the ’80s and the ’90s. We are literally going backwards in race relations because these people they’re using African Americans, they are using a race as a tool to attack Christianity. That is very unethical and that is very dishonorable.

Sam Rohrer:                      And of course, David, as we’re talking about here at the beginning, these kinds of things are, well, they’re done as propaganda. They’re done as narratives to try and change the public discourse. Here’s another article I’m looking at here right now that’s talking about Christian nationalism. It just came out. And set this as an example, [inaudible 00:15:52] interesting. 77% of evangelical Christians say they’re supportive of Christian nationalism. Again, you got to define it. In this article that’s not defined quite the same, but pretty close to what just John Blake is talking about. But here’s another number I thought interesting, but they also find that 67%… Now, 77% of evangelical Christians are supportive of Christian nationalism they say. 67% of Black Protestants, they are also. It says 65% of African Americans are supportive of Christian nationalism, again, however that’s defined. And that’s the largest proportion of any racial group.

It’s very interesting, David, when you picked out the fact that the change from effectively 2010 or so is to now try to use racism to divide Christians, whites from Blacks, those who support patriotism, nationalists, those who maybe are supporting globalism, which is the opposite of nationalism. Anyway, speak to that because it’s an interesting thing that’s taking place. But as you say, it’s a lie and the numbers don’t indicate at all. They’re trying to really reshape America.

David New:                        It’s interesting that he quoted and he referred to Frederick Douglas. He also quoted and referred to Dr. Martin Luther King, both individuals. I have on quote in my book with a citation called America, a Christian nation. Now the term nationalist is a very, very bad word. And I don’t consider myself a Christian nationalist. Because when you use the word nationalist, you are immediately excluding people who aren’t member in your group in a very bad way. And that’s the image they want to convey. That unless you’re a Christian nationalist, you’re not a real American. And so this is what these people are trying to do. They are trying to divide this country. Christian nationalism basically says that anybody who is not a Christian can’t be a real citizen of the United States. And that is not true. Christians and non-Christians, atheist, everybody, has the same rights under the United States constitution as anybody else. Nobody has more rights and nobody has less rights. We’re all the same before the law. And the term nationalism is why they use that word because that’s what they don’t want to convey.

Sam Rohrer:                      Right. So ladies and gentlemen, part of responding to these kinds of things is don’t accept the definitions when they’re not right and don’t accept the terms, the labels, because that’s what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to label. When we come back, we’re going to take this theme of imposter Christianity that Blake postured and attempt to look at what was right about what he said, what is wrong and then redefine it.


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, one of the strategies of debates or apologetics generally, which we talk about a lot here, is that to use the truth, to identify the substance, sometimes the motivation, oftentimes the process of an opponent who uses deception to attempt to make a point that while it might sound good is not good. Or you could say it’s a point that contains some truth, but leads a person to a false conclusion. Now what I’m just describing there, that is in fact deception. That’s what that does. But you’ll see people do it in debates. And so if any of you out there have ever been on a debate team or whatever, you know exactly what happens. One side tries to make a point, but they can use all kind of strategies to do it. So the point is, how do you refute it with the truth?

In essence, the same kind of thing happens in any court of law. Any court of law built on truth will permit the sharing of evidence to either confirm the truth or to challenge a lie or a false allegation. In essence, this is what all Christians, all of us who are listening right now are instructed to do throughout the scripture. And that is to be discerning, to compare truth and truth statement against the truth. Everything we hear. To identify the truth so that we can identify the false prophet, those who are speaking in error. The failure to do so will lead the person who is not discerning, lead them into error, which will then always lead them into and ultimately to death.

Now, that is the heart of it. So David, Gary, I want to go back to both of you now. David, let’s go to you first. Let’s dissect a little bit and truthfully define the three points that this John Blake made that you mentioned Dave. The first one, the belief that America was founded as a Christian nation. Now, obviously he’s making that statement to try to say that that is a bad thing and a Christian nationalist is this bad person and one of those bad things is that he believes this. So take that statement. True or false, why or why not. Just give a rebuttal to that statement.

David New:                        Well, it is absolutely true that the United States was founded as a Christian nation. It’s very simple to know why that’s true. Britain, England, they are a Christian nation. They still have the Christian religion, the Anglican church as their official government religion. Now here’s something that’s real simple and I hope our secular friends can hear this. When Britain or England or King James I were sending out colonies and establishing them in Virginia and all throughout the east coast, guess what they were doing? What does England expect all colonies that they establish in the west Indies, in America? They expect them to be little Christian nations, which is why along with the economic incentives and the profit incentives to establish the colony, they also had a lot to do with religion. So America from the very first moment the Englishman set foot on the shores of this land, they in their view, however right or wrong, they’re in their view are making this country a Christian nation.

Now the issue is, did the constitution say no to that? And the answer is no, they did not say no to that. In fact, they wrote a constitution. The US constitution originally had zero authority over religion, which means the US constitution could not change America from no longer being a Christian nation, which is why Virginia has the word Christian in its state constitution, which is why the word Vermont has the word Christian in its state constitution. It has the word Sabbath in its constitution. It has the word Word of God. Now this is the most deceitful thing that this individual is doing. Are there such things as white Christian nationalists that are racist to the core? Absolutely. But listen to the numbers. I have tried my best to get a handle on the numbers of these people and nobody seems to know because they want to conceal their numbers.

But I do believe what Tucker Carlson said one time. He said you could take all of those people, all of them and put them in one football stadium, all of them. Now let’s assume that’s 75,000 people. Let’s assume Tucker Carlson is wrong. Let’s multiply that number by 10. Let’s take it up to 750,000 people who are truly racist, who are white Christian nationalists. All right, now let’s do some math. 65% of the population of the United States is identified with Christianity. That’s 320 million people that comes to about 167 million people. How many are white out of that group? 43%. Which comes to 137,600,000 million. Now take 750,000 divided by 137,600,000 million. You get less than one half of 1% of the US population. So this guy’s article is just fine if you want to talk about less than one half of 1%, but he doesn’t do that.

Sam Rohrer:                      No, he doesn’t. And the broad brush stroke and all of that that happens is exactly, ladies and gentlemen, what happens. And so, all right, just hold what David says. Gary, I want to go to you for a little bit of a response on this. The second point he was that said that they hold these people, Christian nationalist, they hold to the belief in a warrior Christ. What does the Bible actually say? Is there anything right about what that phrase warrior Christ? And what’s wrong with it?

Gary Dull:                           Well, first of all, this is an article that I would encourage all of our listeners to try to get and read. And as it relates to what John Blake is portraying here, Sam, in my observation, what is going on is that you have an unsafe person who knows nothing about biblical truth, who is trying to define Christ, trying to define biblical teaching and trying to define Christianity and he really has no idea what he is talking about. In the article there where he is talking about a warrior Christ, he says this and I quote, “Videos from the January 6th attack show a chaotic tear gas soaked scene at the Capitol that looked more like a medieval battle. Insurrectionists, punched police officers used flag poles as spears and smashed officers faces against doors and so forth.”

Now what he is doing there, Sam, is blaming some of these radical people on Christians and saying that these are the acts of Christians. We know that these weren’t the actions of Bible believing Christians. As a matter of fact, our dear friend, Dave Kistler was there on January the 6th. And he told us on this program that there were those who were coming up and trying to incite this chaotic act. But they were not Bible believing Christians. They did not know the Lord. They were not as if we’re acting as a warrior Christ.

When we are talking about that phrase warrior Christ, we are talking about the fact that there were those who think that the Lord Jesus Christ has encouraged Christians to engage in acts of violence. Nowhere do we find that in the Scripture. Now what we do find is that when the Lord Jesus Christ returns in Revelation chapter 19, the word of God teaches us that the nations of the world are going to come against him. And with a sword that goes out of his mouth, he’s going to smite the nations. But that’s going to be a physical battle. That does not relate to where we are today and it does not fit into what John Blake is trying to identify Christians as being. And so he has a faulty understanding of biblical truth, of Jesus Christ, and of the reality of Christianity.

Sam Rohrer:                      Ladies and gentlemen, bear in mind, false prophets and deception always has a little bit of truth, but a lot of error that ends up taking you to a place that the Bible does not take you. And that’s exactly what Gary’s talking about. We have to be very discerning. David, back to you on this. The third evidence or whatever this John Blake points out is that these people use the word true American. All right, well, let me just ask. Is there a true American and you might need to define it. True as in genuine. True as in not false. I mean, speak to that just a little bit. What’s true, what’s false about that statement true American.

David New:                        So much depends on how you define the word. When this guy, this individual John Blake uses the word real Americans and quoting Sarah Palin, what he means is that some votes are not important. If you’re not a real American, your vote is not important. If you didn’t vote for Donald Trump, your vote is not important, because you’re not a real American. That’s what he’s saying. Now, I don’t believe that. I believe people, whoever they vote for, they’re just as American as I am. I may not agree with them, but they’re American. To me when I use the word real American, that means your blood. You got red blood and you believe in freedom and liberty. That’s it. That’s how limited, how I’m willing to go to define a real American. I believe that that involves Christianity, but people who aren’t Christian are real Americans too [inaudible 00:28:58].

Sam Rohrer:                      Ladies and gentlemen, you can ask yourself this question. You can put another adjective in there. Can you measure what would be a law abiding American? Can you identify that which would be a God fearing American, a patriotic American? Oh yeah, you can. You actually can. Where your actions are measured, your words are measurable. Start putting in true American. That’s when it gets a little prompt, because you’re looking in the attitude of the heart. You can measure the other aspects of it.


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, all through the scripture, God, the author of truth, God, who is truth, also the creator of all that is around us, including each of us, also the designer of the concept of family and society, authority, the idea of civil government, the one who established the purpose for civil government. Praise those who do well, punish those who do evil, okay? The one who clearly established the criteria for blessing and prosperity and freedom. Now the signers of our declaration picked up those and they said life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That same God, the author of truth, makes his plan for life and living known. Now the question is whether or not we people of all ages, all times, whether we identify and embrace his plan or attempt to either reject it outright or to, very in a counterfeit way, redefine his plan. Kind of like this article we’re referring to today.

Now in an age of deception, the only antidote is to identify the truth, then embrace the true standards as defined by God. So in the end, before I go to David and Gary for some comments here, ultimately how can two different people come at or multiple people come at what we’re talking about? The idea of what is a nationalist or a patriot and confuse the two or make them similar or alike, or to say that a Christian is bad but not know what it is or not define it, or all these things we’re talking about. Because remember, whoever defines the terms, controls the debate. So when it comes to matters of, well, starting from matters of truth, a biblical worldview is what we’re talking about, a biblical worldview takes you to the word of God and says what does God say.

All right, so let’s go to this. David, let me go to you first on this. That is this. God talks a lot about nations. He talks therefore nationalistic of nations. He doesn’t actually use the word patriotic necessarily in scripture, but there are principles that run throughout and regardless of which person or which nation a person may find themselves or certain things that God tells us about nations and sovereignty and all of that kind of thing that does and should apply even right now and how when we think about this. Can you share a couple of those principles?

David New:                        Well, 1 Peter 2:17 says, “Honor the King.” Now, it’s interesting that you refer to the Declaration of Independence. The very first sentence of that Declaration of Independence is frequently overlooked because it’s saying something very powerful. It says when in the course of human events, what is Jefferson looking for? He’s looking for authority to engage in a violent revolution against the king of England. So what is he looking for? He’s looking for a universal authority to do that. And what is that? What is the one authority that is true at all times in all places and all ages? And that is monotheism, God. And that’s why in the second paragraph he talks about the creator.

Now, the attack against slavery was spearheaded by the Christian religion. It was an international effort by Christianity to end slavery on this planet. Slavery ended in North America by Christ, Central America by Christ, South America by Christ, in Europe by Christ, and Africa by Christ when the missionaries came in and took the gospel. It did not come from the Muslim world. It did not come from the east. It didn’t come from Japan. Slavery ended because of an international effort by Western Christianity. And so this Declaration of Independence, which is monotheistic and Judeo-Christian is the foundation to end slavery on this planet. And so this declaration belongs to all nations and all peoples. It doesn’t just belong to America. And the shot that was heard around the world can still be heard today in the Ukraine.

Sam Rohrer:                      Ladies and gentlemen, again, what David is talking about is a biblical worldview, it comes off the pages of scripture. And what he said is the truth. It’s not a mix. It’s the truth. Gary, let’s go to you right now because you may want to add on to something that David said or go beyond because this is my question for you. As a Christian citizen, now this whole white nationalist thing that’s being talked about right now is driven to try and subdued to instill fear in a patriotic Christian American citizen. Gary, take it beyond that because biblical truth governs and dictates and kind of lays out a path for a Christian citizen regardless of what country they may find themselves in. So take and build on that and take that just a little further.

Gary Dull:                           Yeah, Sam, in reference to your question there, your thought, there are four things that come to my mind and I don’t have the time to elaborate upon them, but I do want to give the points in the scriptures for people to consider no matter what country in which they might be living. Four things to take into consideration. Number one, we need to recognize… And I believe every Christian should embrace every one of these, Sam. Number one, we need to recognize that it is God who brings the nations together. And ladies and gentlemen, you can find that in Acts chapter 17 in verse 26, study this on your own. I don’t have the time to elaborate upon it. But the fact is God brings all nations together and actually establishes their boundaries. The second point is this. We as Christians are to generally obey authorities. David brought out 1 Peter 2:17, but in verses 13 through 17, we see there that we are basically generally speaking to obey the authorities and the law of the land.

However, the third point that I want to bring out is that the Bible teaches us that we are to obey God rather than man. And that comes from Acts chapter 5 in verse 29. And so where you have an authority in a nation or an ordinance that violates biblical truth, we are to humbly obey God rather than man, and then be ready and willing to take whatever ramifications may come upon us for doing that. And then the fourth principle that I share is that we certainly are to be praying for those in authority that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. And that’s found in 1 Timothy chapter 2 versus 1-4. So very briefly in review, God brings nations together. We need to understand that, Acts 17:26. Number two, we are to generally obey authorities, 1 Peter 2:13-17. Number three, we are to obey God rather than man, Acts 5:29. And then number four, we are to pray for those in authority, 1 Timothy 2:1-4. Just some principles to keep in mind that Christians should advocate in their lives.

Sam Rohrer:                      Gary, that’s excellent. And David takes us right up to the end. Ladies and gentlemen, can I just throw one more in here as well? What Gary gave, excellent. What David talked about is excellent. But let me come back and just come in on this again. Every person has a choice. We believe God and agree with him. Or we reject God and we suffer at the hands of just God. If you go to Deuteronomy, you go to Ecclesiastes 12:13. There are two things that God says, “Fear me and keep my commandments.” Now, if anybody does that, anywhere in the world does that, then God says, “Then I will bless you and certain things will come as a result of it.”

Now, if we don’t like God’s idea, which obviously these people who are trying to make Christians look bad or someone who is a Patriot look bad, they’re really opposing that which God says and that which he writes in his word. This is a worldview and it’s all comes right down to this. Do you fear God and keep his commandments or do you reject him and say, “I don’t want to do what you do”? That’s about as simple as I can make it as we approach this entire topic.

Thanks for being with us today. God bless you. And we’ll see you back here tomorrow the Lord willing.