Elections, Selections, and the Ways of God

Elections, Selections, and the Ways of God

Nov. 5, 2024

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest(s): Hon. Jeff Coleman

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/5/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:       Well, hello and welcome to Election Day here in America and this Tuesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. Now for all of you listening to me on Biblia Sima Broadcasting Superstation 90.7 truth FM radio that’s in Kenya announced that yesterday there in Kenya, this program is being heard a day late because of the time change difference, but it’s being heard in Kenya and surrounding nations in Africa. We welcome all of you to this program and we’re glad that you are a part of our growing stand in the gap today, family. And whether you are here in America or in any other nation, it seems all eyes are on what happens today here in the United States in this election, which tends to focus on the presidential, but so many underneath of that of great importance. And I’m going to say that while the results at the close of this day are at this moment, frankly, humanly impossible to know or what the climate in this nation will be, the attitude will be at swearing in day of the new President, whoever that will be in January.

Sam Rohrer:       I will say though that God above already knows the outcome. Isn’t that a good thing? And for those of us who know the Lord, we must rest securely and confidently in him. And because of the importance of this and this program, I’m just going to open right now in prayer. We’re going to close in prayer as well. But let’s pray here. Heavenly Father, we thank you so much, Lord, that you are in control of all events around the world. Nothing goes by catches you by surprise, we pray, Lord, the day as we face an election in this country, all the world watches that righteousness will be lifted up. Any kind of injustice and corruption will be exposed. And we pray, Lord, that you will make clear your will. And for that, we commit our time here today on this program. In Jesus’ name. Amen. Alright, well because this is election day, I have decided to make today’s focus on not just this election and its potential outcome and what we know at this time, but consider important biblical principles regarding elections generally and God’s role in elections and what our attitude should be toward the many unknowns.

Sam Rohrer:       The title I’ve chosen to frame the conversation today is this Elections, see elections and the ways of God. And my special friend is also my special guest, rather, is a friend, a special friend for many years who I was able to serve alongside for four years in my 18 years in office when we were both state here in the Pennsylvania General Assembly. That’s the honorable Jeff Coleman. He’s now principal of Churchill Communications host of Morning Light on Lighthouse tv, channel 49 out of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, author of the book with all Due Respect, where among other things he analyzes modern campaigns and the attitude that should govern political campaigns and personal candidate behavior. Boy, it’s appropriate today with that, Jeff, welcome to the program.

Jeff Coleman:     So good to be here, Sam. Thank you,

Sam Rohrer:       Jeff. Well, I tell you what all eyes are on the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania today. We call this the Keystone state because that is our name. We referred to it, but it’s amazing how the entire country, all the polls are pointing to what happens in Pennsylvania. So we’re sitting here at a most interesting time, potentially humanly speaking, being the determiner of this election today as it relates to the US President in particular. That makes sense for us to weigh in with our thoughts. Both you and I have run for statewide office before here in Pennsylvania. We’ve seen a lot of things, a different experience than most listening to us, whatever have had obviously, but makes what we’ll say and what I’m going to ask you to say, I think pertinent and that is this. Give us a comment on what you know right now about what’s happening here in Pennsylvania regarding early voting, the overall climate regarding the voting process here in Pennsylvania. There are questions anyways. Give your thoughts on what you think may happen here in Pennsylvania today.

Jeff Coleman:     Well, I think Sam, that overall, this is a pretty exciting place to be. It feels like everyone in Pennsylvania has been interviewed by someone from the BBC or CNN and at least four or five, six times, if you live in a city, you’ve had your door knocked on every few minutes you’re getting a text from one side or the other. So it’s been an inundation level when you’re looking at $16 billion total in federal spending, which just for context is about 30 times, at least 30 countries. It’s larger than the GDP of those countries. So this has been a significant amount of spending and attention where people are today universally. I don’t think there’s anyone you will meet in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania who will not say they are hopeful that today is the last day of this process, that this is the end of a what, really a process that began in 2016 and has never ended.

Jeff Coleman:     You have people, Sam, as you know, who haven’t removed their yard signs from 2016 and have just perpetually kept their house decorated for the election, almost like Christmas that never ends. But early voting way up, Republican early voting up, not as significant as the Democrats but up. There’s certainly a closing voter gap. The distance between Republicans and Democrats in Pennsylvania closed significantly. So this is a very competitive state. Every single person has been tracked from the time the polls closed the last time four years ago until this point. And then you’ve had a flood of new voters, young people, minorities, other groups of people who normally don’t participate in the process all participating. So stress, anxiety, fatigue, not a whole lot of excitement or joy. I mean that’s certainly been missing. There isn’t the kind of optimism that you normally have in an election.

Sam Rohrer:       Jeff. We do have a number of things that are on the ground. I mean, we know that there have been ballots that have been turned in Lancaster County here in Pennsylvania that people know about it, that there were fraudulent votes that were counted. That’s a problem in the system. Our Secretary of State here is trying to prosecute those election guides. They’re making a story strange things. There have been ballots that I’ve heard about that US Mail never delivered. There are some that have gone to other states. There’s a lot of potential problems in this voting process that stand to come up as well. So there’s a lot of unknowns, isn’t there?

Jeff Coleman:     I think there are unknowns, but we know more than we normally do meaning, and this is where the sovereignty of God comes into play. If you think about all the elections before that have not had the kind of technology tracking security validations, all of the additional layers of human and technological guardrails, and still we’ve been able to produce a president in spite of ballot boxes being stolen or irregularities. So I think overall these elections come down to the quality of the people who are our neighbors, who are working at courthouses and working at local precincts. And everyone in Pennsylvania, I think by and large has

Sam Rohrer:       Indeed. Jeff, thank you so much. Elections. See elections and the ways of God are theme today my guest, honorable Jeff Coleman. As we walk through and come back, we’re going to talk about the Christian approach, certain basic principles we all should keep in mind. Well, thanks for being with us today. This is election day and the honorable Jeff Coleman, a person I served with in the Pennsylvania House for a number of years is my guest today. And it’s appropriate we thank to talk about certain things about the election. We have an update just to overall view on what we know really at this point in time of the day. We’re halfway through the day here in Pennsylvania, well across the country, but we also want to talk about some other things, other facts, other truths that should help us as believers to put the momentous aspect, the expectations of this important day into perspective because there are so many things that are frankly as we know beyond our control.

Sam Rohrer:       So as we approach today’s elections since for most Americans, we’ve enjoyed the civic privilege and it is, it’s a civic privilege of voting for our elected leaders, but we often have a tendency to just assume that it’s normal. It’s a normal thing in human civilization. Yet throughout the history of human civilization, I’m going to suggest that voting has been more of an exception to the rule. And honest voting has been an even greater exception that we take for granted but shouldn’t. Biblically, there are a number of principles, but I’ve picked out five basic principles that are really good. At least I’ve thought these things through and it’s been good for me. Hopefully there’ll be good for you as Jeff and I walk through these good for all believers and those who fear God to keep in mind in such eventful days such as this a national election to which the whole world really looks on. So in a segment, I’d like to identify some of these. Jeff, let’s walk through. And again, these are not sacrosanct, these principles. These are just five that I picked out. I’d like to deal with four of them in this segment. We’re going to save the fifth one, perhaps the most important in some respects for the last segment, but identify the first principle why it’s important. If you want to walk right into the second one after that, go ahead and do that.

Jeff Coleman:     Yeah, well look, Sam, I think for Christians, if you were a follower of Jesus, you have dual citizenship and our citizenship is in heaven. That’s the long view. But then you’re born in a country or come to this country and become an American citizen, you have the rights and privileges of citizenship. So look, the first principle is I think we’ve got to avoid apathy. You cannot be apathetic or a bystander kind of like prayer. We know that God ultimately controls the outcome, but he invites us to participate. So our country, even though the outcomes are determined by God’s sovereign hand, we have the privilege of participating. So apathy is not an option, do not be apathetic. I think the second one is, and there’s a correlation here, that while you’ve got differences in representative governments versus what the scripture would lay out as a theocracy, we’re not a theocracy.

Jeff Coleman:     I think it’s clear that we are a representative republic. There are some principles and similarities that the founders use to guide the establishment and create the framework for government. And that comes early on in scripture in the book of Deuteronomy, which essentially says that God gives us this ability to appoint judges and officers in the land. So God is going to choose the king, but the down ballot offices in positions, we have the privilege of participating in that process. So it’s a beautiful picture and why wouldn’t we invite ourselves or accept the invitation to be a part of that process,

Sam Rohrer:       Jeff? And that is a great point, and that one you just mentioned there about the people there in Deuteronomy, obviously Moses wrote that book, but God’s speaking to all of those people and he tells them there in that passage about judges and officers, shall thou make thee in all of thy gates, which the Lord thy God has given you throughout the tribes and they shall judge the people with just judgment. I think that’s interesting. We could bear down on that, Jeff, because the purpose of government is to enact justice. So the appointment, the selection of leaders who understand the fear of God and execute justice as defined by God is a fundamental obligation of those in government. And again, we could camp on that for a long time, but that’s part of the people. When we select elect, we should be thinking who fears God?

Sam Rohrer:       And if they don’t fear God, then I don’t want them in there. But that’s the partial responsibility of the people. Now here’s another one, Jeff, I picked out at ladies and gentlemen. I’m going to call it the third principle. And that is this, when a nation becomes corrupted, and it tends to always happen because of the nature of man, but when a nation tends to become corrupted, God throughout the Old Testament would hold the people partially responsible, not completely but partially. And I would take you to a passage, ladies, gentlemen, you can take a look at it at your convenience. But in Ezekiel chapter 22, look at verses 25 to 29, Ezekiel acting like a prosecuting attorney under God who is sitting as judge is pronouncing a judgment on the people of Israel and God’s going to levy judgment upon them. In that passage, you will find that God calls out these categories of people.

Sam Rohrer:       He levies a charge against what is called the prophets and then the priests and then the princes. Our founders looked at that as the three branches of government, prophets, lawmakers, legislative justices, judges, judicial prince’s, executive branch. That’s how they viewed it. But these were the leaders of the government and God charged them with involved in bribery and corruption and setting aside the law of God. But then it goes right into it and the people participated with them together, they learned how to exploit each other and used the system of government and God then levied judgment on them. So in fact, the people were partially responsible. And then Isaiah one in 23 and talks about those in office being rebellious and actually conspiring together. And God held the people of Israel partially responsible. So we cannot blame the condition of America solely on those who are in office. It is a reflection of us, representative republic, we put in office those who are there. That’s a major principle. But then Jeff, there is another, there’s a fourth principle that is good for us to be aware of, particularly in these days when so many things are uncertain. What is that and why is it important?

Jeff Coleman:     Well, the command, and this is to Christians. I mean the rest of the world who looks in on how Christians behave, don’t have the same obligation. But if you are a follower of Christ, if you identify as a Christian, Philippians four, six has this warning about anxiety and anxiety, not just whether or not you’re going to have your food tonight or what you’re going to wear. I mean the repeated commands in scripture against fear reminding us of God’s provision. But it’s this notion of not being anxious about the direction or the course of a nation of an entire country, that every single one of these moments where corruption is exposed and leaders are fallen is a reminder to us that there’s a perfect ending to this for those who trust Christ and the other kingdom is calling and keeps reminding us of that. So all of the broken elections and broken leaders and these moments that reveal of the broken character of us as citizens and our leaders remind us that there is a perfect solution to all of this. And that is one day all of this corruption will be held to account and Christ will continue to reign on the throne.

Sam Rohrer:       Jeff, that is such a hope that we as believers possess, we should not forget that and be caught up like the world gets caught up when fear is fear mongered by the press and by others. But ladies and gentlemen, call your attention. Go to Philippians four six and take a look at that, that Jeff just quoted that and the peace of God. Well it says be careful, be anxious for nothing in verse six, but in everything. And here’s the alternative, it’s not just be anxious for nothing. Do something positive and not this in everything by prayer and supplication with gratefulness thanksgiving, let your request be made known unto God. And here’s the key and the peace of God which eth all understanding shall preserve, maintain, keep your hearts and minds through Jesus Christ. The world in all of its efforts seeks to disrupt our heart.

Sam Rohrer:       Does it not make us fear in our heart or to make us think in our head thoughts that are not true thoughts which are not just, and the scripture tells us in all cases, don’t get caught up doing what those who have no hope do and being anxious over things that we have no control over to the contrary, at such times, let a request be made. Note unto God, pray. Take them to the Lord in prayer. Think on the things which are positive and true, knowing that we know the one if we know him. I trust that you do through Jesus Christ, personal faith in him that you know him because that peace of God will keep our hearts and minds. What a thought, what a great, great thought that is particularly on today when we come back now, we’re going to shift gears and talk a bit further and say, now we got to face the reality though of a world in which we live that’s full of sin and frankly it’s a corrupted world.

Sam Rohrer:       Well, as we continue the honorable Jeff Coleman and I, Jeff and I served together for a number of years, several terms in the Pennsylvania general Assembly. Jeff, it’s really good to have you back with me today. I thought of no one better to give some thoughts on election day you’ve run in your house seat. There’s a whole story there associated how God gave you that victory that first time you ran. And same thing for me when I ran, and we both have run statewide and learned a lot in that process, but now we face an election that the whole world watches here. They weren’t watching your statewide race and they weren’t watching mine, but the world is watching what’s taking place here because the presidency of the United States of America is at stake and there are a lot of things that will occur, a lot of unknowns and perhaps some knowns.

Sam Rohrer:       But looking at this aspect, the last segment, we talked about four principles that those who fear God should keep in mind to help keep our minds settled in days when things are not settled. But there’s another reality that we can’t walk away from, and that’s the fact that there’s a challenge that we face in America today, frankly, it’s a challenge faced by all nations, and that’s the fruit, I’m going to call it the fruit of sin and a depraved heart, which drives all people everywhere. And of course this is a biblical worldview if you’re listening to this aspect is a biblical worldview of life. It’s not shared by everybody, but it is shared by us of us who fear God. And there’s a phrase by the British historian, Lord Acton is of the era of our founding fathers here in America. And he said this, it’s a quote you would recognize.

Sam Rohrer:       He said, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And that truth of course comes right from the pages of scripture, not quite those same words, but that principle come from the pages of scripture. But it’s also from an observation of human civilization. It’s just what happens over time. Our founders made it very, very clear in their writings and expressed through their worldview, Judeo-Christian worldview, they expressed this view, this reality in such documents of law as the Mayflower Compact as an example to the Declaration of Independence to our constitution or three organic documents of law and was reflected throughout our entire foundation for law and how government was set up here. All of those, this central thought was major in their thinking and they did a lot of things to try to, well, to address it and to understand that it was reality. So Jeff here, from your perspective, in your experience and research, what can you say, what are your thoughts about the reality of the tendency of citizens and those in authority to yield to this love of power? The Bible will talk about the lust for power and money and fame. We see it, we know it, it’s there. Is there an antidote? And how does this reality apply, for instance, to where we are today in America because this reality is definitely flavoring this election?

Jeff Coleman:     Well, Sam, the documents that you mentioned are all built in response to human nature, meaning the founding generations and those who came before talk about the Mayflower complex. These were people who deeply understood the flaws, their own flaws, their own tendencies. And the notion of original sin or being born into a corrupt world was baked into the formula. So the response in these documents, the overflow is a system of checks and balances and accountability which were designed to address those very flaws. Fast forward to 2024, I think what you hear many people saying is, well, corruption is a reality of life, but there’s nothing we can do about it. So we simply have to use and rely on flawed broken instruments. So all of the principles and character traits that we used to expect from our leaders, especially humility, which was the kryptonite, if I can use that term of leaders through generations, meaning when pride is allowed to go unchecked and it flows out certainly from words in actions, in the abuse of power, in personal corruption, personal habits, personal behavior, all of those clues would, yes, there’s certainly a reflection of society and what we’ve come to tolerate, but they also are a warning that there is going to be at some point a reckoning for that pride.

Jeff Coleman:     And so those documents lay out a warning to this generation that you cannot separate the character of leaders. You cannot separate the character of the person you select for president or for borough council or township, supervisor from their decisions, their decisions flow from their personal character. When you don’t have that clear choice of a person with character who also has good public policy, public, then your conscience has to kick in and you have to make a decision about exactly what you have to do at that moment. But that is the legacy that they left us.

Sam Rohrer:       And Jeff, that’s interesting because as you’re speaking there, I’m thinking of a passage and example here back in the book of Deuteronomy. We just quoted from that a little bit in the last segment, but in Deuteronomy chapter eight, the template that God laid out for Israel, which is what our founders, to which they’ve referred and they copied, they observed history, they observed Israel, they observed God’s promises and his requirements and they put those into effect here in our nation. But that antidote, you talked about humility, and I thought that is absolutely fantastic because humility comes along with gratefulness, which our founders, the pilgrims implemented the Thanksgiving day. It was a matter of humility and gratefulness. But in Deuteronomy chapter eight, ladies and gentlemen, if you’d taken you read that God said to the people of Israel, I’m going to give you a land flowing with milk and honey. Houses.

Sam Rohrer:       I will give you prosperity. I will bestow upon you health, I will give you security from your enemies will be a result. All of these blessings which we as a nation have enjoyed, but God told them very carefully when and once these things happen, once these blessings come, God said, I’m warning you do not get to the point where you think that all of these things which you have came from your own hand, think about that. In other words, don’t think that well these houses that have been built, this technology that has developed this freedom that has taken place, the strong military that you have happened all because you were smart and you forget that I gave it to you because God said, as soon as that happens, I’m going to turn those blessings into judgment. Because what happens, ladies and gentlemen, is when we are not grateful to God and humble before him, it says that we effectively think that we are God or government is God and believe that government is the one that keeps us secure.

Sam Rohrer:       God says, no, I am the one that keeps you secure. Or that prosperity in a good economy is something that we do through fiscal policy or the Federal Reserve or policies out of Washington. God says, now forget that business. I am the one that makes those things happen. It’s gratefulness. So when we are not grateful we become God. That’s a critical, critical, critical thing. And Jeff, I’m glad that you mentioned that because there’s nothing more important in leaders, ladies and gentlemen, whether they’re in the home as mom and dad or average people or people in positions of authority in the church or in civil government. Then to understand that they are where they are because God allowed them to be there. And we’re all going to give an account one day and therefore in humility, knowing that God resists the proud we behave ourselves circumspectly and wise and which is why we are to pray urgently for all of those in positions of authority. Why? So that we may live a quiet and peaceful life basically doing what God tells us to do. Jeff, a minute here, we’re left in this segment. Any additional thoughts to add to what has been said here in this segment?

Jeff Coleman:     I think if anyone today is praying for the next president, it is not for them to win or lose the election. It is that they will recognize that however their victory comes by whatever margin tonight that it was for God’s purpose and not their agenda and not certainly to fulfill campaign promises. So praying for humility or for God to humble leaders without having to take a drastic ultimate measure against that prideful, arrogant leader. We don’t want to be a country that is led by arrogance. We need desperately need humility. God dependent leaders at the top.

Sam Rohrer:       And Jeff, again, back to what you said and what we’re talking about because of a depraved heart, our founders knew God told the people of Israel, if you do not fear me, submit yourself in humility and gratefulness to me as the source of all blessing. If you do not do that, then you will yield to the lust of the flesh and the eyes and the pride of life and you’ll pursue money or fame or something else, all of which will bring the judgment of God. Think about that. Think about that in relationship to our election, our nation, yourself, myself, personally, the nations of the world, all of these things are impacted and directed and spoken to directly by the word of God. We come back, we’re going to finish with the fifth principle, the confidence of God’s sovereign plan. Well, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us here today on the program.

Sam Rohrer:       I know that this is a day of great expectations this election day. A lot of the spots, different messages running in the breaks on this program have talked about prayer, have talked about voting, the implications of it. And certainly days of elections are days of choices. We make a choice. Some are going to choose to not go anywhere, some are going to choose to vote. I hope that you choose to make a choice. But at the end of the day, I trust that all of us who claim to fear God would have considered already what God has determined to be the kinds of attitudes and values and character traits of individuals for whom we have the opportunity to vote so that we can expect God to bless pretty tough to vote for those things that God hates and ask God to come back and bless, isn’t it?

Sam Rohrer:       I mean that just makes sense. So it’s important. And before we close the program out here today, Jeff and I hopefully want to pray as I open the program we want to close. But Jeff, as true believers, whether as citizens or people in positions of governmental authority or any authority level, frankly, there is a confidence that we should have that sets us apart from those in the world who tend to look to government of people or people in government to do what they were frankly never designed by God or can’t ever do. And that is that we don’t make God of men or we don’t bestow upon government an institution established by God to replace God because we can’t see God and we can see those in government. It’s very easy for people to what only belongs to God, to government. And in the last segment, if people are not constrained by the word of God, they will be constrained by the own lust of the flesh and of their eyes and of the world. And that is to gain more power and to gain more fame and to gain more money. And of course then the result of that is bribery and corruption, which is what God judges nations for. So all of these things are linked. But walk into this and identify the fifth principle here, Jeff, and identify it and why it’s a good place for us to anchor as we leave this program today.

Jeff Coleman:     Well, I think the fifth principle, Sam, is where everyone can breathe, at least those of us who understand that it is God who raises up and puts down leaders. I mean, this is the principle at the heart of what Christians acknowledge when we surrender our lives to Christ, that ultimately in our lives and in the life of our country, God is the one who establishes authority and he removes leaders. As I said at the beginning, we have the privilege of participating in that process. One of the scriptures that I learned, I was probably five or six in Maureen Gordon’s school, and then she made me memorize out of the King James, that wonderful passage in Proverbs 21, the king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord and he wills it wither however he will. And that nothing quite captures it like that phrasing because it says it all. It says that no matter what the king, the president, the governor, the town councilman thinks is the extent of his leash, there’s ultimately a fence around that person’s power and authority. And it would be good if those leaders recognize it. If they don’t recognize it, the boundaries are still there and they are limited. Their power and authority is severely limited by a sovereign over them.

Sam Rohrer:       That’s a great thought. Let me cite ladies and gentlemen, these five principles. I’m just going to state them again quickly and then Jeff, I’d like you to pray and then the first time, then I will close after you. But here are the five principles we came up with. First of all, don’t be apathetic. When God’s people have a say in the selection of governmental leaders, we bear partial responsibility for the policy those leaders elect. So don’t be apathetic. Secondly, modern representative governments very greatly, but we’re not an Israeli theocracy. But there are many similarities. And with that, God has given us a responsibility to be careful about those who assume office, our judges and others. The third one is when the nations don’t humble themselves before God and become grateful, they will become corrupted. And when that happens, God will hold the people at least partially responsible.

Sam Rohrer:       And that was the reference Ezekiel 22 chapter. And then the next one is, is that do not be apathetic. Do not be apathetic, but also do not be anxious. Take our request to the Lord in prayer. And then this last one, ultimately understand that the end of the day it’s God who raises up and God who puts down, and God will hold all in positions of authority accountable to him, including you and me. So let’s be careful about what we do and how we choose. Jeff, would you take these things to the Lord in prayer here today?

Jeff Coleman:     I’ll be happy to. Sam, heavenly Father, over the past days and months, we confess to you that our hearts have been tainted by fear and anxiety. We have placed our hopes and our trust and our confidence in lesser things, in people, in powers, in earthly authorities. And so often we have not consulted you in our responses to each other, to fellow believers, to those in the outside world who watch us on social media, who observe us by the signs that we put in our yard, by the responses, things that we cheer for, the things that we cry for. I pray that you would reset our hearts and center them on the truth that the king’s heart and a President’s heart is in your hand. We pray that you would prepare the next President tonight to be able to concede an election or declare victory in a way that is honoring to you. We pray for their families, both Vice President Harris and former President Trump and their families. We pray that you would keep them guarded from words and actions that would bring discredit to the idea that this is a country that places their full confidence and trust in God. Forgive us, we pray and walk us through these hours and months ahead with your grace and your mercy on America. We pray this in Jesus’ name, amen.

Sam Rohrer:       And heavenly Father, to what Jeff has prayed, I say amen and amen and will across this country on all levels from lower level positions to the highest level, may you put into power those of your choice. And Lord, we pray, may they be those who fear you. We pray in Jesus’ name. Amen. So ladies and gentlemen, one concluding thought. So when you go to vote, consider deeply your responsibility, our responsibility to elect candidates who uphold God’s standards. But if someone wins, who opposes those standards, don’t panic. The Lord is still on his throne regardless of who inhabits 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or any other seat of power. Amen and amen. Thanks for being with us today, ladies and gentlemen. God bless you all. If you have not voted, do so and let’s see what the Lord does. We’ll see you back here tomorrow. The Lord.