“Woke” Injustice: A Biblical Response to Critical Race Theory

“Woke” Injustice: A Biblical Response to Critical Race Theory

Dec. 12, 2024

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Bryan Osborne

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 12/12/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue. 

Sam Rohrer:       Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our monthly focus on creation and apologetics. My special guest today is Bryan  Osborne, been with me many times. He’s an author, conference speaker, and Christian apologist for answers in Genesis. Now today I’m going to shift from addressing the two leading headline events that I addressed yesterday with Leo Hohmann on this program and on Monday also with JR McGee, which are currently those items which I think are currently shaping not only the lives of Americans, but globally for all people. Those two issues concern the unfolding impacts resulting from the fall of Damascus and Syria as referred to it, and the resultant reshaping of the Middle East and the disturbing presence on the second issue of intelligence gathering swarms of drones, which are monitoring and mapping with impunity US military bases across the us it appears across the world trailing US Naval and Coast Guard ships hovering over critical infrastructure as well as the homes of key federal agents and the properties of yet to be sworn in Donald Trump.

Sam Rohrer:       Now, if you were not able to catch these two programs this week, I’d encourage you to listen via our Stand in the Gap app or online at stand in the gap radio.com, so that you can be aware of and how to think truthfully about what’s happening in these two very important and developing areas. Now that being said, let’s move to an issue today of ideological and cultural significance that in part influences how the thinking and perceptions of Americans in particular, and that’s been dramatically shaped broadly educationally, politically, and even religiously. And it’s that area often referred to CRT, which stands for Critical race theory. Now you might say, well, I already know what that is. Or perhaps because of the election of Donald Trump, people have generally rejected, at least that’s what said the impacts of political correctness. And there are some who actually feel like it’s now all of a sudden going to revert back to the prevailing worldview of the forties or the fifties, or maybe even back to the founders of the 17 hundreds. But frankly, if that’s what you think I’m going to say, you’ll be disappointed. So stay tuned as we approach this issue today here on a fresh way. The title I’ve given to today’s program is the same as a new book title that we’ll discuss in part today written by my guest, Bryan Osborne, entitled Woke Injustice, a Biblical Response to CRT. And with that, welcome in from Northern Kentucky. Right now, Bryan Osborne. Bryan, thanks for being back with me.

Bryan Osborne:  Awesome. It’s great to be back with you,

Sam Rohrer:       Bryan, Let’s approach this issue in your book from sometimes or oftentimes what I like to follow a problem cause solution approach because it just helps to kind of logically allow us to progress and deal with big issues in a short time. So first off, would you do this, define in brief CRT critical race theory, what does it mean and also what is it, define it in that terms and how did it get the name that it got?

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, that’s a great place to start. So CRT in a nutshell is an evolved Marxist worldview. It assumes that society is made up of oppressors and the oppressed primarily according to race, according to critical race theory. And it assumes the oppressors have really structured or build society to always benefit them and to suppress the oppressed. And as a result, society is systemically oppressive. And so there’s always oppression happening all the time. And so that’s what it is in a nutshell. It be lobbed out of Marxism. And the way you get to name critical race theory is Marxists basically use those two words to try to explain society and they want to be critical of society, not critical in critical thinking, but to be critical of to break down, to point out problems. And the theory doesn’t mean like a guess, it means like a worldview, the way you view all the society.

Bryan Osborne:  So it’s a whole lens you view things through. And so you have a critical theory which views society through the oppressors and the oppressed. And then what the critical theorist does is they’ll put between those two words critical theory, what they think is the biggest systemic problem in a culture. So you can have critical class theory, critical gender theory, critical race theory, and with American’s history with slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws and stuff like that. Of course for the Marxist they say, well, in America it’s critical race theory. That is the biggest issue. But also today you get critical gender theory, which is related to the L-G-B-T-Q movement, but that’s where critical race theory comes from. It all comes out on Marxism.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay, and then simple terms critical in this term just means they think important. Is that right?

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, well it means to be critical of it means to really attack to say this is a bad thing and a bad idea or a bad situation. Yeah.

Sam Rohrer:       Alright, let’s go on here. Since you decided to write this book Woke Injustice, you put woke in quotes, a biblical response. Bryan, I would assume you logically must have felt that a concise biblical response to this issue either didn’t exist or perhaps you could come at it from a different perspective that would help people maybe in a more clear way. But it begs the question, what is the fundamental problem with CRT or critical race theory and its dominance in our culture that demands a serious response? Put it another way, even as you’ve referred it in your book, what’s the big deal about CRT?

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, go back to the first part of what you were saying there, Sam, and the reason I wrote the book is that there are some really great books out there on critical race theory, Vodie Baucham’s Fault Lines, it’s phenomenal. Owen Strachan, Christianity and Wokeness also very, very good. There’s some other great by people like Virgil Walker and Daryl Harrison do a phenomenal job breaking CRT down, and I learned a lot from them. But my gifting, I think Sam, how he’s wired me, is to take concepts and boil them down to their core essence. And so to really give a short answer, and I think for most people that’s where they’re at. We don’t read as much as we used to. Can you give it to me in nuggets bite-sized chuck so I can get through it really quickly? And so my goal was to take these really important ideas and to really just boil it down to their core components and give a concise biblical response.

Bryan Osborne:  And so it’s hopefully easy to read for pretty much all readers and they can get a good answer biblically, that’s why I did that. And then CRT is so dangerous in so many ways. Sam gets all the fundamentals wrong. It’s actually an attack on biblical authority, biblical anthropology, how we understand people, the sufficiency of the gospel, and then unity as a Marxist worldview. It wants to cause division to actually collapse a society, not build it together so it can rebuild in a Marxist utopia framework. And so it gets all the fundamental wrong. And then the bigger reason that I care, and I think we as Christians should care, is not only is this in our culture, it’s dominating our culture. And it’s a worldview that is partial towards one set of groups and actually it gets another set of groups. But also when you bring this ideology into the church, it basically says the gospel isn’t enough. That if you want racial reconciliation, if you want unity, what Christ on the cross isn’t enough. We need outside help from a pagan ideology and you need to do works to make it happen.

Sam Rohrer:       And hence

Bryan Osborne:  Gospel sufficiency.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay? And hence the social gospel, ladies and gentlemen. Again, everything’s got a reason and a source. So when we come in the next segment, we’re going to go into this issue of the cause. Okay, now Bryan ‘s described it, he’s defined it. We’re going to go a little bit further into how did it start, why did it start a little bit of history and then the extent to which it has infiltrated our culture. Well, if you’re just joining me today, thank you for being on board. We’re going into our second segment now. Our theme today is this woke in justice, a biblical response to CRT, which as you know, would stand for critical race theory. And my special guest is Bryan Osborne. He’s a author or a conference speaker and Christian apologist for Answers in Genesis with me many, many times. And he’s just released a month or two ago, actually in October, this book by this title, which you could find on Amazon or a IG website as far as that goes.

Sam Rohrer:       I’m sure. Now, Bryan, in the introduction to your book, you say this in part CRT, critical race Theory graduated from the college classroom long ago and has spread to every corner of our society. Unfortunately it’s featured in schools, corporations, media, government, agencies, politics, and many Christian institutions. I’m going to say it goes by many different names. He said, is that a malignant cancer spreading animosity and injustice wherever it is found? Now, you said a lot of other things as well, but I pulled that out because what I just said there, Bryan, I think goes to the heart of what I want to talk about next. That’s the next aspect. You’ve identified the problem in the last setting. So let’s talk about the cause in the final segment, we’ll talk about the solution to how we address all of this, but as to the cause, build it out a little bit more from where did, where origin, what’s the origin of the CRT philosophy? From whom, whom, why? In other words, would you fill in the gaps on this? Again, the origin of critical race theory just didn’t come up out of nowhere. How long has it been around? And a little bit about some of the growth that leads you to say that it’s been developing expansively in our culture.

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, that’s a great place to start. And I like to phrase it this way, Sam, and that is CRT is not a helpful analytical tool. SM is falsely assumed. It’s an entire worldview. And so it comes straight out mark. So you give it the coral Marx. It basically said you got this fight between those who have and those who don’t have. And the have nots seem to rise up and revolution to take from the haves what they deserve. And so he even defined an SD pressures versus the oppressed. Now for Karl Marx is more just on economic terms, but it was still the same basic idea. And then in short, what happened is when there wasn’t the grand toppling of capitalism that Marx predicted would take place when people would rise up against capitalism, that did not take place, many Marxists. It went back to the drawing board and began to say, okay, what went wrong?

Bryan Osborne:  Why didn’t Marxism work? Well, we thought it would, why didn’t it really get rid of capitalism? Why didn’t the people rise up in revolution? And then all comes a guy named Antonio Gramsci who was an Italian Marxist, and he basically argues, well, the reason that those who were oppressed never rose up is because they didn’t even know they were oppressed. Why? Well, because the oppressors have structured society in such a way that they always won and always benefited them. They’d rigged the rules of the game. And that’s what people grew up with. They knew nothing else. The oppressed didn’t even know they were oppressed. That’s why they never fall back because they have just been lulled to sleep by the society that just has oppression ingrained in it. They didn’t even know they should fight. And so he called this hegemony. And Sam, that sounds a bit nebulous.

Bryan Osborne:  Here’s a good example. My son Ian, who’s now 11, he loves to make up his own games, right? He wants the family to play his games with him. But when we play Ian’s games with Ian, guess who always wins? Ian, right? He wins every single time because it’s his game. He makes up the rules. Well, that’s what the idea of hegemony is, that the oppressors have rigged society to always benefit them, they always win. And so their goal was to say, well, now we need to wake up the oppressed to their oppression. So they’ll fight back and revolt. And then you fast forward a bit again. Early in 19 hundreds, you had the Frankfurt School, which is a famous group of Marxists who got together, kind of put all these ideas together, fine tune them, applied it to all the society, and they called it critical theory. And then they moved to America. You’re talking again, early 19 hundreds. These people went into our classrooms, especially on the college campuses, began preaching their new ideology with religious fervor. And after decades and decades of indoctrination, they’ve raised up a generation of people who have embraced a Marxist ideology, which is why you see so much what we see in our college settings today in America and throughout the west.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay, now just a little further, because at the Frankfurt School, I’ve covered that issue with other guests in the past, but just identify again, because the combining and the Frankfurt School, it wasn’t just the Marxist concept of economics and class warfare. You actually brought in the distorted view and intertwined it specifically with education as well, didn’t it? So it made it a really formidable strategy.

Bryan Osborne:  Oh, well, no, absolutely. And their whole goal, bear in mind, it’s an entire worldview. So it’s not just something you can add on to what you think. No, it’s the way you view reality. And so with Marxism, it gets all the fundamentals wrong. It views humanity wrongly. And so they view humanity as groups, identity groups. You’re either the oppressed or the oppressor period. You’re one of those two groups based on superficial characteristics. They say the problem for society is oppression, period. That’s the only problem and only the oppressors are guilty. So the answer is a revolution to tear down and rebuild, as some might say. The Bible says that your identity is found in the fact that you’re made in God damage and there’s individual accountability before God, that our problem is sin and that all are guilty, and that the answer is salvation through Christ, not a revolution. And also, bear in mind with Marxism, it views Christianity as part of the oppression Christianity and what it teaches, the family unit, biblical sexuality, those are part of the oppression. Therefore it views Christianity negatively. It actually wants to get rid of it.

Sam Rohrer:       Alright, now that’s good. We could go so much deeper into that. You do. So more in your book. Let’s go to this question here. Just identify an example or two just because of time, example or two of how or where. Maybe describe it that way of how critical race theory has actually used it in cancer terms metastasized into identifiable policies or cultural norms. So pick something from politics wherever you want to go, pick an example or two of how it has actually metastasized and totally distorted the entire view.

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, I’ll give you three letters, Sam, DEI. So diversity, equity, and inclusion, basically, DEI for the most part is CRT, spelled a different way. And so within DEI, which by the way, DEI training, DEI, parameters for who gets in, who does not get in, this is literally everywhere, whether it’s the workforce, the federal government where you’re talking about classrooms, scholarships, literally everywhere. And what this basically says is you must include diverse groups to achieve equity. Now, all those things are rooted basically in A CRT understanding of those words. So diverse groups, who are the diverse groups? Anyone other than the oppressors. Now say I understanding in the American context, according to CRT, whites by definition are the oppressors. Blacks by definition are the oppressed along with other minorities. And you get that title just by the nature of your skin shade, your skin color. If you look one way, you’re an oppressor.

Bryan Osborne:  It says not based on attitude, actions, words, no, just based on your shade of skin, you get the title either oppressed or the oppressor. And so you get that. And then equality, well, we must include those diverse groups. You got to get rid of the oppressors, they can’t be included. You must include the diverse groups who are the oppressed groups. So those would be those who are blacks, who are the minorities. And this is all to achieve equity, not equality. Now equality will be equal opportunity. Same starting line, equal chance equity says, no, no, no, no, no. The outcomes must be the same, which is socialism, one-on-one, take from one to get to the other, be sure you’all end up in the same spot. And so basically, Sam, in short, you could get a job or not get a job, you could get a scholarship or not get a scholarship based solely on the shade of your skin.

Bryan Osborne:  There’s a word for that called racism. And this is literally everywhere in our culture today. And so that’s just one example. Another example, a bit more very recent, the Daniel Penny trial. You’ve been keeping up with that at all. He is a white man, he was a Marine who was on the subway. There was a gentleman on the subway who had taken drugs and was very much off his locker, and he was threatening people and they were scared of death. He said he was going to kill somebody and get back to prison. And this guy who was white, the other guy who was on drugs happened to be black. The marine gets up and restrains the man to keep him from hurting anybody until the police can get there. A few minutes later, well afterwards the man dies because the police were not resuscitating him because he was prefilled, because he was homeless and so forth and so on.

Bryan Osborne:  And so basically the man died. And then what happened is Daniel Penn is taken to court because of what he did actually saved the lives of the people in the subway, but they wanted to prosecute him in New York because of the shade of his skin, primarily because it happened. He was white and this guy was black and he had to be guilty because using the pressor, this guy was black, he’s the oppressed. And they made it more of that issue. Even in the court trial, the prosecution called Daniel Penny, the white man who attacked the black man the entire time. And this is literally just social justice, DEI on the display, even in our court system happening just the other day. And so these examples are literally everywhere. Those are just a couple of quick ones.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay. And those are great ones. They’re very relevant. Lemme just ask you just a final quick question here. In your research as you look around, do you think or believe that the, I’m going to say the pernicious influences, these evil influences of CRT, are they affecting all cultures and societies around the world equally, or do you think it’s primarily an American or western problem that we’re talking about?

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, I think you see a bigger influx, influx of this ideology in the West, for sure, in America, definitely. It happens other places too. The Latin America liberation theology, it’s the same ideology. You see it in Australia in big ways. We’re still technically far us in some ways. Other places though, you’ve got China, who’s straight up communists, Russia, similar thing, which is still kind a branch off of Marxism. So the ideas are still literally everywhere. Those are some places that don’t have it quite as much, but they’re different shades and levels of it on a global scale, but you see it in a big way in the west.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay, that’s excellent. Ladies and gentlemen, think about this CRT. Could it be a strategy to undo our Judeo-Christian West as compared to China that is communist and has been for a long time, as an example? Yeah, I’d say so. Think about that. Now when you come back, we’re going to go further, good to slate, go further in answering some key questions that Bryan has identified in his book, for instance, what the book is not and what the book is. We’ll talk about that in the next second. Okay, Bryan, let’s go back now and just continue to discuss your book, which you’ve written Woke Injustice, a Biblical Response to CRT or Critical Race Theory in the book you set up in the introduction part of it. I actually didn’t have a copy, but I read it on Kindle. I just downloaded it, which people can do. You start out by asking and answering a few questions. I’d just like to pose right now, I think it helps our listeners to understand how you’ve laid the book out. But first you say this, what your book is not. So let me just phrase it this way. So isn’t your book, so this would be from a design and purpose perspective, what is your book Not Okay,

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, that’s a good question. I did that for a reason. I want to understand. They dove into my book that we’re not focusing on the evils of America’s past. Yes, there were atrocities, evil atrocities in America’s history, slavery, segregation, Jim Prolongs, awful things took place in America’s past. And they have consequences, even generational consequences. And so that’s a reality, but it’s not the focus of the book. And I mentioned in the book that oftentimes we’ll cover some of those atrocities as we teach different lectures as a ministry. When I talk about racism, the biblical response to racism, maybe some of the evils of the past, we talk about them, we point out how many of those evils come from a secular evolutionary worldview. The redefine humanity is just rearranged SCO with no true value. You can manipulate how you want, and that’s the consequence of that worldview. So we talk about that in other ways, but that’s not the focus of this book. And so yeah, I want to give that people a heads up as they dove into what I’m talking about in the book Woke Injustice.

Sam Rohrer:       And I think that that’s good, Bryan, because as you said at the beginning, when I ask you the question, what’s different about this book compared to others? And you appropriately named some other books and authors on this topic because it’s not like no one’s ever talked about this topic before. And it’s not like everybody believes that this thing is a good thing. No, they don’t. But as you were saying, and the reason I’m asking you these questions here is that condensing complex thoughts are sometimes a difficult thing to do. And on this program we deal with big issues like this, and for us it’s always a challenge because we try to deal with an issue, introduce it, discuss it, and then bring a conclusion all within the space of an hour. And that’s very, very difficult. So that has been my goal for a long time as well. So I like that aspect of what you’re talking about. So you laid out, it’s not a matter of going back and looking at history, covering all the backgrounds of what things have been like. You’re going right to the heart of what CRT is, which then leads me to the next question. So if it’s not what you just talked about history and all of the recounting of atrocities in the past and all that kind of thing, then what is your book? So spell that out then. What is the book about?

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, so the question really comes, well, is CRT the answer to understanding these past tragedies, their current effects and how we deal with it in the future, and leading to racial reconciliation is CRT the answer? That’s what we’re addressing. And the answer is no, dramatically, dynamically, no, because it’s an anti-biblical worldview. And so what I want to do in this book is help Christians especially understand this is not a helpful analytical tool. It’s antithetical to the Bible. And Sam, I think, I truly believe, for so many Christians, they’ve been duped, hoodwinked, and to believing at least parts of really bad ideology because they hear words or phrases that sounds so good, words that we resonate with. Words like justice, words like anti-racism, words like equity. We hear words like that and we think, okay, wow. Well, someone using those words, they must be on the same page as me in the way they think about things.

Bryan Osborne:  So surely they’re good, I can jump on what they’re selling, right? But here’s the deal. When the critical race theorist uses those sorts of words, when they talk about anti-racism and equity and all these different things, when they talk about even things like racism and so forth, they don’t use those words the same way we use them. They have a different dictionary, so same words but different dictionary. And so when we buy into their usage of those words, we’re buying into a pagan ideology that actually hates Christianity and undermines real racial reconciliation. And so I want to point that out. So in the book, what I do is I say, Hey, here’s what they say. Here’s the word, here’s how they define it. And I give examples, I quote them, this is not Bryan Osborne says this. This is what they say, this is how they define it. And then I give a biblical response Bible verses, here’s the biblical response to this idea and how it’s not biblical at all. So it’s very straightforward. Here’s their idea, I’m telling you this is what they say. Give you examples. Here’s a biblical response. So the Christian can really easily understand it and apply it.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay, and that is excellent and that’s very practical. Now let me just go ahead to another question then I’ll come back and fill in a little bit more here. And that’s this your first chapter. I think you have about 15 chapters approximately, but your first chapter is entitled, laying the Foundation, worldviews, neutrality and Faith, an intriguing title. And since, as we discuss routinely here in Stand on the Gap today as you do and your cohorts there at the Anders and Genesis, and that’s the reality of worldview you’ve been using that term. We use it a lot because it describes how one looks at the world, not just a narrow slice of the world. Here’s my question, would you lay the foundational worldview of CRT, refer to it many times, build that out now a little bit from which then you build the remainder of your book. So you lay down a foundation in greater detail in chapter one, and then everything else is kind of based off of it. So build out a little bit more of that foundational worldview of CRT here now.

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, it’s important for people to understand, and I’m sure your audience does that. Everyone has a worldview. It’s all your most basic beliefs that you assume about the reality before you engage the world around you. You can’t function without a worldview. We’ve all got one. The question is, where does your worldview come from? And there are only really two options, Sam. Either God’s word is your foundation for your worldview, and you build your thinking from that foundation, or man’s word is your authority, and you build your thinking from man’s authoritative position and build your thinking from that platform. So you put your faith either in God’s word or man’s, you all got faith, just where do you put it? And for CRT, it puts his faith in man’s ideas. It goes back again to Marxism. Marx did not like Christianity. That was false. He thought was part of the oppressive apparatus in our culture today.

Bryan Osborne:  He wanted to get rid of Christianity and its ideas and its teachings and its structure of family and gender and so forth and good, all that stuff. And so it did not like Christianity. And so from that worldview, they have interpreted all of reality through a different lens. So for the critical race theorists, they interpret all things through oppression. They interpret all things as easily oppressed or the oppressor. It’s all of it. It’s just assumed. CRT, the critical race theorist, they’re not trying to prove CRT. It is assumed and interprets all things to that particular lens. So for the critical race theorist, there’s always racism. There’s always oppression in every event, in every circumstance. The question is how did it manifest because it’s assumed to be systemic and literally everywhere. And so people must understand that that’s taking place. The critical race theorist is not neutral. Marxism is not neutral, and it interprets all things through a particular grid. That is the core issue. So I go throughout the book and I show how this is how the critical race theorists interpret these things, how they interpret society, how they misapply this idea and lead to some really bad consequences. And so that’s kind of the main thrust

Sam Rohrer:       And that’s excellent. And I’ll share just a quickie here with you. Some years ago, I interfaced very closely with a pastor of a large church outside Philadelphia here close to where I am. And there was this oppression mentality that was evidenced toward me because of my color. I’m European by birth, I make that perspective some white from that perspective. And I was automatically accused. And that was therefore an oppressor. And as we spent time together saying, why and how does this come about? And I went to the authority of scripture. He was a preacher and he actually preached excellent sermons on salvation and passages of scripture. But what brought us to discussion, Bryan, was our view of a government, my view of government is limited in its justice, to punish the evil doer and praise the good as can contained in Romans 13, so forth.

Sam Rohrer:       But his interpretation was totally different. He said, no, the purpose of government is to make sure that justice is administered and that means to put in place effectively the DEI or critical race theory policies to make sure that oppressors don’t oppress. What I just summed up right now was probably hours and hours and hours of discussions. I was trying to figure out where are we coming from, but this was a pastor who would absolutely agree with the authority of scripture was straight on salvation. So the point I’m just saying here is that people can buy into this in a very well, it can be very deceptive. That’s my point. Comments.

Bryan Osborne:  Absolutely. And I think for a lot of Christians who embrace different parts of CRT, I would call them CRT light. They don’t embrace the whole thing, but they’ll bring in nuggets of it and try to use parts of the ideology to, in their minds, help with societal issues and reconciliation within the church. But Sam, it’s so sad because this ideology actually causes division. That’s what it’s meant to do. It’s meant to cause conflict and division. That’s what Marxism wants to do to tear down, to rebuild, to Marxist utopia. Ultimately that’s what it’s trying to do. So we bring this into the church, it actually brings division and brings animosity, and it actually undermines the gospel by saying, you must add works. If you’re an oppressor, if you’re a white person and an oppressor, you must work for salvation. You’re not automatically covered by the blood of Jesus. There’s more that must be done. And blacks as the oppressed are innocent. By definition. You’re undermining the gospel in so many ways. It’s so sad to see that, but it’s not uncommon.

Sam Rohrer:       No, it’s not. And ladies and gentlemen just mention that just to say that it’s possible that even really good people can buy into deception, pieces of it, big pieces, small pieces, but it ends up being a distortion of what God says in the biblical context. So with that in mind, we’re going to come back and say, all right, now, all these things in place, I’m going to go to and ask Bryan how he in his book, takes people to find the solution. In other words, what call to action can we lay out? Alright, ladies and gentlemen, as we go into the final segment, again, thank you for being a part of the program today. And as we approach the end of this year, it’s so hard to believe. Sure, you’re like me. Say, where did the year go? Right? A new one is just right down the road.

Sam Rohrer:       We have a lot to thank the Lord for even in the midst of such confusion and uncertainty that we see all around us, I trust that we would be far more focused on being grateful to God for what we have than to be focused on that which we don’t have or think that we need to have. That’s a state of mind, that’s a worldview. And I think it’s important what I encourage us all to consider as we move through this month, but in that area, being grateful. If you’ve never written to us, could I ask you to write to us? Let us know. I’ve gotten some of the most wonderful letters, and I think I may read from a couple of them maybe next week on programs, just powerful impacts that this program has been having in the lives of people, not just here in this country, but overseas, where the program’s now being carried.

Sam Rohrer:       It’s just really a wonderful thing. So it’s good for us to know, just sit down and take a moment. Let us know what the program has done for you, encourage you, edify you, how, give you an example. Let us know that you’re praying for us. So very, very important, a partner in prayer, more powerful than you would think and partner with us financially. It’s important, it’s critical. We cannot function without the finances. Just like no household can function or no church can function. Only the government can print money. We can’t. So we need your help and God will provide that. So I would just ask that time here, the remaining part of this month, be a time that you participate with us in prayer and financial. You can do that on our website or easily on our app. Alright, Bryan, in today’s program, we’ve addressed rather in, I’m going to say cursory fashion.

Sam Rohrer:       There’s so much more. It’s whole concept of critical race theory, world view. You’ve thrown into it that that’s broader than critical race. It’s critical class. It’s a number of things, but you’ve explained that. You’ve defined it. We specified the problem and give some examples of how we’re actually seeing it work itself out in governmental policy. But it’s all through, it’s in our churches. I gave that a brief example in the last segment, that kind of thing. It’s all over, so we can’t get away from it. We’ve talked about the cause, but now I’d like to shift to presenting a solution and herein a biblical response. Your book woke injustice, a biblical response to CR two because frankly, it doesn’t make a lot of difference what we think about it. It’s what God thinks about it, and that is a biblical response. So before I ask you to do that, let’s clarify here just once again. When you used in the title woke and injustice and effectively equated it with critical race theory, what does injustice have to do with woke and what’s the connection to CRT? Explain that just briefly first, and then tell us the solution as you lay out in the book.

Bryan Osborne:  To be woke in general today means to be awake to these supposed systemic oppressions in a society. So it means to be awake to reality. A CRT would define it as Marxism would define it, to be awake to the oppressors and the oppressed to be awake to systemic oppression. You’re wake up to that reality. That’s what it means to be woke in general in our culture today. You might remember a while back, Kamala Harris encouraging people that they need to be more woke, right? This was her idea. Wake up to the systemic oppression. It’s a general meaning of woke today. It has changed meaning over time, but that’s what it generally means to most people today. And then this woke is it’s injustice for so many reasons. I connected to injustice because basically woke to perpetrate discrimination in the name of diversity. It actually practices racism in the name of racial reconciliation. It actually practices segregation in the name of inclusion. And so that’s why I call it woke injustice because they’ll say we’re doing all these things in the name of justice. What they’re actually practicing is injustice in the name of justice, which is a radical injustice and totally anti-biblical. That’s the connection. That’s why I use that title.

Sam Rohrer:       Okay. And I think that that’s excellent. Thanks for doing that. Because in essence, as I look at it, CRT, this wilkin justice part of it literally takes everything that God lays out as a defined thing. Male, female color of skin would be another one, or right or wrong, or marriage as being appointed man and a woman only. These are godde defined things. CRT takes in the woke part says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you hold any of those, you are an oppressor and you’re limiting somebody else. And therefore the injustice, ladies and gentlemen, justices only possible if administered from God’s perspective, according to God’s design for how it’s done. Anything other than that, it’s not justice. So anyways, with that Bryan  here, cultural and personal biblical response to the reality of CRT, the woke and unjust worldview. What is it? And again, those two things, the cultural, what can be done and the personal.

Bryan Osborne:  Yeah, I think they’re both connected. So I think basic idea is this, dear Christian, God’s word is enough for those Christians who have embraced different parts of CRT. What they’re basically saying is the Bible is not enough to help us with justice and reconciliation. We need outside help. And they’re actually suggesting we get outside help from a pagan ideology that has Christianity, which really doesn’t make sense when you think about it. No, God’s word is sufficient. We clinging to that. We did our thinking from that. And when we do that, Sam, we have answers to engage the culture with and to be rooted in our own personal lives. And so we reject CRT teaching, we reject the idea that you’re identified by your group. Now we realize biblically, you’re identified as an individual made in God’s image. And by the way, I’ve been using terms white and black during our talk just to communicate CRT.

Bryan Osborne:  But Sam, we know biblically there is just one color of skin, brown, different shades of brown. And there’s just one race of people. These human race even sticking to that biblical reality helps us to get rid of these bad CRT ideas. But then also we hold to biblical teaching that sin is the problem and that is a problem for all people. It’s not simply oppression just for some people. And we realize that the solution is not a revolution, especially a Marxist one. But the solution is the gospel of Jesus Christ and clear biblical teaching as well onto the light of God’s word and be the salt and light God has called to be proclaiming the truth and the reconciliation that’s found only in Christ. Then we can see the amazing growth of unity within the church and hopefully within our culture, preach the gospel. That only happens when God’s word is proclaimed.

Bryan Osborne:  And the gospel of Jesus Christ changes hearts from the inside out. Because racism at its core, it’s not a skin issue. It is a sin issue which be dealt was by the gospel. So I tell Christians all the time, we’ve got the answers to racism. We’ve got the answers to racial reconciliation. It’s found in God’s word in the gospel. My question to Christians is what are we going to do with it? And please, dear Christian, don’t give up God’s word for pagan ideology that causes division and hate. Clean the God’s word. We have answers. Stand bold, defend the faith, and you can be the salt, light God’s cause to be in every way, whether it’s about origins or social issues or reconciliation in our culture today.

Sam Rohrer:       Amen. Bryan , ladies and gentlemen, just think about this. There is oppression in this world, but from where does it come sin? Who is the great oppressor, the devil. And when we agree with him, well, we become part of the problem. But how do we escape it through faith in Jesus Christ? That’s freedom. That’s true Liberty. Liberty in Christ comes from that. That’s the response. So yeah, oppression exists, but the answer is not found in moral oppression. It’s found in Jesus Christ. What’s exactly what you said. Bryan , thank you so much for being with us ladies and gentlemen. Again, the book we’re referring to has all of this information and I encourage you to go, I think either Amazon has it or on the website@interestofgenesis.org. The name of it is Woke Injustice, a biblical response to CRT Well-written. And Bryan , thanks again for doing that and being with me today. God bless you, and we won’t talk to you again probably until next year. So have a wonderful Christmas holy day time with you and your family. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for being with us today. And the Lord willing to be right back here. We’ll be back with you tomorrow, right here.