A Confused World: Talking Peace – Walking War

March 10, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: JR McGee

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/10/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s a new week of programming here and what promises to be another full week of global events. And headline news seems like we are not in a drought period when it comes to global events and big news to the contrary. And today I have recurring guest, JR McGee, extreme Leadership Group founder and CEO and Counter-Terrorism Specialists and a whole long list of other things that he has done. But he’s joining me again today for our monthly focus on domestic and global security from a biblical worldview and also biblically prophetical perspective. And that’s how we come at the things when JR and I are together. Now, my title for today’s program is This, A Confused World Talking Peace Walking War. And with the Lord’s help, we’re going to get into the specifics of today’s emphasis, including a commentary on our president’s operative international strategies, what it is, what it may be as people examine that.

We’re going to look closer at the world’s three war hot spots, Ukraine, Europe and Russia, one spot China and Taiwan another, and then Israel, Iran, and the Middle East. That’s a third. And then we’re going to conclude with a more prophetical look at the rise of Russia as well as a reminder of how we as believers should be considering and conducting ourselves in light of the events of the day. Now for the rest of the week, let me just give you a short roadmap of planned programs like I try to do tomorrow. Dr. Jamie Mitchell will be leading this program. Special guest Greg Scholler will be with him and their emphasis will be a slightly different approach to an historical perspective of constitutional amendments in a general way, differently perhaps than what David knew does with me when we are together, which he will be with me on Thursday.

That topic is not yet fully decided, but it may well be about putting Bibles in school that’s being worked out. We’ll confirm that shortly on Wednesday, Dr. Carl Brogue will be with me again for our bimonthly emphasis on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. Now with that said, on Friday, Dr. Isaac Crockett is scheduled to lead. That’s what we’re planning on at this point. For him to lead the program, he and I will be together. Our focus at this juncture is the theme of lay ministry. Lay ministry where men preach and pastor, but maintain employment outside the church in the world, much like the Apostle Paul did in his tent making days when the early church. So anyways, all these things don’t miss a program as I believe that they’ll all be edifying and very encouraging. Now with that being said, I’ll provide in right now JR McGee Jr. Thanks for being with me today,

JR McGee:

Sam. It is always a pleasure to be with you and our audience. It is just a gift from God for me to be able to do this and I never take it lightly

Sam Rohrer:

And it’s always a pleasure to have you on, and I know that our listeners appreciate the times that we spend together. So let’s get right into it. JR we’ve got a lot to discuss. One of the things we’ve discussed on previous programs is that we are in the broader aspect of what the Bible speaks about. A time of increasing wars and rumors of wars, Matthew 24, but many other passages. We have a new president, Donald Trump, who by his own personality, strong clearly and the current stature of the US in the world right now anyways, the most influential financially and militarily and so forth. But these things together is forcing a change as we’re watching or in relationship with literally every nation in the world by these actions that have happened. And by his words, the president’s words, he is demanding peace in Ukraine. He’s demanding peace in the Middle East and literally around the world. But we know that in these end days, prophetically peace will be in short supply. So we’re in truly historic and prophetic days filled with peace talking, but more evidence perhaps of war walking, put it that way. So here we go. From a moral perspective, I’d like you to bring to bear your perspective on what may be the president’s international strategy, which is literally driving everything that we’re going to be talking about today.

JR McGee:

Well, Sam, he’s done this now enough that for people who are paying attention, it’s coming into clear focus, exactly what the strategy is, and it’s a four step process. Step one is he decides he wants a foreign leader to do something or accomplish something or to change something. Step two is he makes some kind of an outrageous or obnoxious statement about that that gets everybody’s attention and throws everybody off balance. Step three is the left and the liberal extremists start screaming and banging at the moon about how this will never work and how it’s stupid and how it’s borderline insanity. And in step four, the foreign leader agrees to do exactly what Donald Trump has been asking them to do. He’s done this in Canada with Trudeau. He’s done it in Mexico with Claudia Scheinbaum, who’s the new president of Mexico. There’s now Mexican troops back on the border and Mexico is assisting the United States in policing that border and dropping the illegal immigration to less than 3% of what it used to be.

He did it in Venezuela with Nicholas Maduro. And I don’t know what exactly our Secretary of State told Maduro, but he got really tough and said what he would and wouldn’t do and what he would do to Trump. 24 hours later, he sent his personal presidential plane to the United States to pick up some of the very worst of the worst Venezuela criminals and bring them back to Venezuela. And now they’re being very cooperative. He’s done it with France, with Manuel Macron. He’s done it in Germany with Frank Walter Steinmeyer with Hamas and the Rebuilding Plan. He came out with this really off the wall plan that everybody said was ridiculous, but now being led by Egypt and Saudi Arabia, the Arab world has put together a plan for 53 billion to do essentially the same thing. And frankly, I think that’s exactly what Trump was trying to do.

He was trying to throw everybody off balance and get the people in the local area to step up and do something different than what they’ve been doing for the last 50 years because it hadn’t worked. He’s now doing it in Ukraine with Russia and he’s made these statements and everybody’s criticized these statements, but now you, Ukraine and Russia are finally coming to the table and look at what happened last week with Vladimir Zelinsky. I think he thought that he was still dealing with President Biden and he’s not. He’s dealing with an entirely different tiger and now they’re sitting down and talking, and Russia is being willing to talk. He’s getting them to take ownership for their own defense. They’re going well past the 2%, now they’re into 5%, maybe even more. All of this stuff that he’s doing is working behind the scenes. Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, JR, that is a good perspective and when we come back, I’m going to ask you to probably comment a little bit more on that. We’re going to go into the matter of Russia and Ukraine, NATO, Europe, that is a block, and China, Taiwan, ladies and gentlemen. So stay with us. There’s a lot happening, a lot of demanding. It may work out like the President once and JR was talking. On the other hand, maybe it’s possible we don’t know yet. Well, we’re going to find out and we’ll talk a bit more about that as we go into the program. Well, if you’re just joining us right now, we’re at the beginning of the program, focus today on considering global events from a well, a national intelligence perspective, a military strategy perspective. My guest is JR McGee, that’s his background. And on this program, jr. I don’t know if you realize it or not, probably do, but we’ve been doing this.

When I look back at some history today, we’ve been doing this trying every month to focus on these things for about four years now. It’s hard to believe. So let’s continue at this. At least join. So if you’re joining us for the first time, we do this regularly once a month on this focus of global events, international events bring to it a perspective, as I said, of intelligence, military perspective, strategy, perspective. That’s what JR McGee, my guest has instructed for well over 30 years, but also bring to it a biblical worldview and a prophetical perspective because you cannot talk about the events of the world internationally, at least in these days without looking at biblical prophecy. Well, let’s put it this way. You can look at it, but you cannot look at it accurately without looking at it biblically. So that being the case, my theme today is this, a confused world talking peace walking war.

So let’s go to the first hotspot here, Ukraine in Russia from well before the 2024 US elections. Well before that last election in November, Donald Trump repeatedly stated that a war in Ukraine with Russia, as we’ve now been witnessing for years, he says, would have never happened had he been president. He’s insisted repeatedly that he will bring this war to a quick end. Now the promises are under any perspective, I’m going to say boisterous. The expectations are enormous from a political perspective though, the failure to deliver on peace, well the stakes are high, and from a geopolitical perspective, the consequences for a failure to deliver are even higher. Alright, JR, we are talking about the president’s strategy, do big things then back off and then people fall into line. Alright, well let’s just go here to Ukraine. Many pieces on the table, an angry session in the White House between Trump and Zelensky.

We all remember that a quick promise by European leaders to really, they wanted to attack Trump. They don’t really like him and promised support to Ukraine. That happened a couple of weeks ago. Many statements by the president that NATO is dead or near dead and threatened to remove all of our support directed discussions between Trump and Putin that did not include Zelensky. Now European leaders themselves are calling for a new European army, a continent wide new draft and more so there’s a lot happening there. Okay, just quickly again, what’s your response on the events to date with Ukraine and Europe, those two in regard to Trump’s demands as it relates to Europe, NATO and us. Let Russia out for the moment. We’ll go there next.

JR McGee:

Well, Sam, it’s interesting that you brought up the point that we’ve been talking about this for four years. About four years ago we saw things really begin to take a dramatic shift, and I’m not sure it was directly responsible from the previous administration, but the entire world started moving in a direction about four or five years ago. And it is been picking up speed and it’s incredibly important that we understand what’s driving this and what’s behind it and where it’s going. So your question is incredibly important for today and for our listeners for today. The interesting thing about this is Zelensky has been borrowing money and arms from everybody that he could, but the United States has picked up the vast burden of the financial and the military response to keep the Ukrainians going. And they’ve done far better than anybody ever thought that they could.

Everybody, I mean literally everybody thought that Russia would go into Ukraine and it would be over in two to three weeks, but they’ve been doing very well. Now, this meeting that Zelensky had with President Trump this past week was very interesting because he came in thinking that he was going to leave with yet another pocket full of money and a lot of promises. And that didn’t occur because you’ve got somebody in there now who says, wait a minute, I want to know what I’m getting for my money and I want to make sure we’ve got some type of return on investment and I want to know where the money that we’ve spent is going. And that meeting didn’t go anything like Zelensky thought it would. In fact, I believe my personal belief is that he was briefed to challenge Trump because he thought that he could get more out of Trump if he challenged him in front of the TV cameras because Trump wouldn’t feel like he could step up and defend himself.

Well, that didn’t happen. In fact, Zelensky, in terms of intel, these meetings that we go to, he had his head handed to him and he walked out of there kind of shellshocked. But look at what happened. He’s immediately turned around and gone back and said, yes, we are very appreciative of the United States. We really wouldn’t be here without you guys, and we want peace. We want to figure out what to do to get this. And Russia took advantage of this and launched some very major attacks against Ukraine, their energy infrastructure, their electrical grid, their oil pipelines, even some of their hospitals and I mean very large rocket attacks. And Trump immediately contacted Putin and says, look, if you continue to do this, we’re going to hammer you as well. And those have stopped. Now both sides are looking at this saying, okay, we are pretty much where we are.

How do we get to where we can come to some kind of peace? Russia clearly wants to retain as much of the territory as they could. Ukraine wants as much of the territory that they’ve lost back as they could. So you’ve got the basis of negotiation there. Neither side is going to walk out of this with everything that they want. That’s the art of negotiation and that’s the art of the deal. And the thing that Trump is doing is he is one of the very few mediators that both sides will grudgingly respect. And the steps that he’s taken in the last two to three weeks has only increased his willingness to put forward a position that says, I know what I’m doing, I know where we’re going and I know what we’ll put up with and what we won’t put up with. And both of you guys are going to play nice.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. And JR

JR McGee:

Responding to that,

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, and JR playing rough is the case. That is true, but there is no peace agreement yet Zelensky has not agreed to give rare earth minerals to the United States. And if it happens, and we take it, as we talked about last week, Leo Hohmann and I did on this program, we can’t get minerals out of the ground unless we put some troops that are protected. And that’s already a no go with Russia. I am going to submit that there are a lot of pieces yet that make this agreement to a peace arrangement actually further off than not. Now, maybe a quick comment, but I got to get to this other one as well in this segment because Taiwan and China increasing alignment with Russia makes this whole thing even more complicated. I think. So you got to give some comments here. Trump strategy regarding China, Taiwan, because China is bolstering its forces.

JR McGee:

They’re very related. And Sam, you make a very good point. If you ask 10 different people what their opinions are on how this is going to work out, you’re going to come out with 16 different answers. And I think that there’s a long way to go before they come to an agreement. The only thing I believe that we know for certain is that for the first time both Russia and Ukraine have agreed to begin talking with each other. Where it ends up, I don’t think anybody knows yet, but I do know that they’re finally agreeing to talk. And I think that’s under Trump’s offices. And I think that both sides realize they’re not going to get everything that they want, but they’re going to try to get everything that they can. And it’s the exact same thing with China. China is moving very quickly to take advantage of the situation as it stands right now because Trump’s very focused in on domestic operations.

And you and I don’t talk very much about domestic strategy and there’s a reason for that. But Trump is highly focused on inside the United States. China’s taking advantage of that in their aggression towards Taiwan, their aggression toward the South China Sea nations, their aggression towards others like South America. They just had a warship fleet that circled all the way around Australia, New Zealand for the first time. That was a very powerful message. A lot of people think, oh, so what four or five ships made a circle around a couple of island nations? No, that’s a really big deal. And Trump is trying to get China to agree to at least discuss this issue with Taiwan. And China is saying that no, there’s no discussion. Taiwan belongs to us. One side or the other is going to have to give in this. And I believe both sides will have to give. But I think China, unlike Russia, China cannot afford to lose Taiwan. So I think this is going to be pushed, and that’s why I think China is the most important threat that we have against the United States today. We have to keep the eye on China. They’re building more ships, more planes, building their military faster than we even did during World War ii. And if we don’t respond to that, we’re going to be in really bad trouble very, very quickly.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, we are, and that brings us right up to the break, JR ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We’re just giving a, believe me, we could go so much deeper into all of these, but because of time we’re giving this broader perspective, we were hotspot number one, Ukraine, Russia, Europe, all of that developing hotspot two, China, Taiwan just touched on that. And then the Middle East, Israel, Iran, an imminent potential conflict with Iran, but Iran’s also connected to Russia and China. We’ll cover that in the next segment. Well, JR let’s pick back up on the discussion, and I’ve said we could go so much deeper. This is very hard to do what we’re doing in the space of an hour. You actually need to be with me two days a month in order to get it done, but nonetheless, or we need to be three hours a day.

Neither one of those right now are happening, ladies and gentlemen. But anyways, Donald Trump announced a couple of weeks ago, and you’ve already referred to it about, I’m going to say this way, the out of the box. And it was an understatement. The out of the box proposal, Gaza proposal, we would take over the ground, would treat it as a building project, would make it a casino Riviera of the Middle East. I mean it was a big, big, big deal and lots of comments on all sides, but to say the least, it caught the world friend Dan foe by surprise. Now as far as I’m able to see though, no one really understands the proposal because it has shifted. It’s not precise and no nation that I’ve seen has actually stepped up to support it. Alright, now comes into some of what you’re talking about. Let’s go here. First question, what’s your further perspective on the Gaza proposal? It may be that it was just so far away out there that it was never intended to be, as some would say, and it was only a motivation to get the Arab countries to get involved maybe. Anyways, your thoughts. What do you think about that?

JR McGee:

I think your last point was probably closer to the point. Donald Trump is not a man who really is predisposed to doing the same thing over and over again if it doesn’t get results. If anything, he’s a man that’s driven to get results. Now, I don’t want it to sound like I’m a huge Trump fan. I am not. But I look at what he does and I try to look at why he does it and what kind of results does he get. And frankly, they’ve been really much better than I thought anyone could have achieved in this shorter period of time. His Gaza proposal in particular. If you stop and look at what’s happened over the last 60 years, people have done the same thing over and over and over again. It’s always been a two-state solution, but it’s never ever worked. Doesn’t matter who’s tried it doesn’t matter how much they worked on, it hasn’t worked.

He did not want to come out of this horror of October the seventh and the attack that was made on the Israeli people right back into the exact same model that is failed so many times. So in order to get people out of that mindset, you’ve got to push them way outside their comfort zone. And the one thing, I think what he realized is his proposal had to be so outrageous that people would do anything to keep him from doing it. And there’s no way that the Egyptian government, the Saudi Arabian government, UAE and Qatar would’ve put together a plan to rebuild Gaza and come up with 53 billion to do it if they weren’t really scared that Trump was going to come in and do what he said he was going to do. And I think in the absence of anybody stepping up and doing something different, he probably was going to go do it.

But the main purpose was not for Trump to turn this into some kind of Riviera. It was to get the other Arab nations off the dime and get them to step up and do something about their part of this long-term problem that has existed for 60 years without any type of resolution whatsoever. And I think that what we’re seeing is they’re finally beginning to do that. Same thing with NATO and Ukraine. You’re looking at the NATO countries are finally beginning to up their military spend and they’re talking about what they’re going to go do to protect their own countries by supporting Ukraine to protect them against Russia. Trump is being effective at being outrageous. And if that requires people to laugh at that, okay, but what I’m seeing is he’s getting results. They’re sometimes unpredictable results, but they’re different. We’re not repeating the same mistakes over and over again. And frankly, I think that is an outstanding result because in my lifetime I’ve seen so much time, so much money and so much effort wasted in doing something we already know won’t work. Why in the world would we continue to go do that again? But that seems to be the UN’s modus operandi,

Sam Rohrer:

Alright? And obviously a lot of truth to that, doing the same thing again, but expecting different results. We’ve heard that. All right, so there’s a very pragmatic, we’ve talked about in his program before. The president is operating clearly under anybody’s imagination. He’s a pragmatist. That’s what he’s operating from a point of pragmatism, which means then certain things happen the way we’re talking about it. But pragmatism, again, we spent programs on, I’m not going to go there, but that’s the determination, pragmatism. Now here’s another aspect of it. Let’s go further into the Middle East. You got the Gaza piece. It’s out there, it’s changing things. It’s causing nations to come up and offer suggestions in Egypt and basically get them to own the Palestinian circumstance, which they don’t want. They don’t want the Palestinians. But all of this is forcing something in that direction. Now here’s another part the president has stated, and he’s just stated again that if Hamas does not get all the prisoners back, he said a couple times that he would reign hell down on Hamas and the Gaza and threatening the annihilation of Iran.

Now, big talk. All right, high risk. What do you mean by that? Well, when it comes to our enemies, particularly I’m thinking now in the Middle East, is Islamic type enemies threatening or demanding that people do things when they already don’t like us or don’t trust us. The strategy of demanding and threatening annihilation, which is what Iran has been threatening to us, destroyed the great Satan and Israel, the small Satan. So we know that that’s a part of that aspect of it. But there is a risk that the threatening of them does not bring them to the point of being compliant and acquiescent and in their opinion, kneeling to the great Satan. But just the opposite that it forces them and galvanizes their anti-US coalition. And that is also kind of what we’re seeing. So in your opinion, what’s likely to unfold regarding Iran and particularly since this Thursday, Friday of this week will mark the observance of Purum, which is important to Iran and it’s also very significant to Israel and it’s right out of their pages of scripture. So there’s a lot on that. Put some of those pieces together,

JR McGee:

Pieces together, those are huge pieces of the puzzle. And I think a lot of Americans don’t really understand the Jewish observance of Purim. And if you go back to the book of Esther, Hamman really hated the Jews and he manipulated king us to come up with a law that said that he could kill all the Jews. And Esther was a Jew and Esther was the king’s wife. Most of us have heard this story. And Mordecai was the uncle of Esther who convinced her to stand up to the king and asked for protection and the king protected the Jews. And that to this day has been celebrated as Purim. And that’s where Israel was threatened with annihilation. God saved them. And if you look over the years in the 3000 years since this occurred, the nation of Israel has faced several existential threats on or around the holiday of Purum.

And that’s a big deal to the Israelis. And this is something that’s really going on right now. And Iran is playing a huge role in that. Iran is trying desperately to save her nuclear program. They have enough nuclear material to make six to eight bombs. They’ve got the rockets to deliver them. It will only take a minimum, a maximum, I’m sorry, a maximum of three to four weeks for them to have a launchable nuclear weapon. I mean, we are past that point of just retaining this program. And for Israel, that’s an existential threat. So Donald Trump is trying to put something in place where he is putting Iran on notice that they cannot continue to go down this path. Their program, they’re essentially in what we call a use or lose situation, they’ve got to use their nuclear program are going to lose it. And the Gaza strip issue in Iran are linked, not just because Iran is the financial and the tactical supplier for Hamas, but their programs, their entire purpose is linked. And Donald Trump has released all of the weapons that the Biden administration embargoed and given Iran permission to use them at their discretion as they see fit. And that means Hamas and Iran. And I believe that at this point, if the nuclear program in Iran will be targeted, I think the United States has a very high likelihood of participating with Israel to attack that. And together the two countries have more than enough assets and more than enough capability to take that and Iran’s long-term threat off the table.

Will that occur? We’re going to see,

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah. Well we will see, and we’re about the end of the segment, but JR you know that we’ve talked about it and we’ll wrap some of this up in the next segment, ladies and gentlemen, is that Iran does not operate by itself anymore, and it hasn’t for a long time. And this is something we’ve been observing for years, their alliance with Russia. It’s already been mentioned, their alliance with China, which right now there are drills happening off the coast between Russian Navy, Chinese Navy and Iranian Navy. So that if we and or Israel takes on Iran ostensibly got to consider, are we willing to also take on Russia and China at the same time raises a stake. I’m saying high risk in what is being done. Now we’re going to conclude by looking at some biblical prophecy about some things that we know well, ladies and gentlemen, we’re going into our final segment now and it’s not going to be possible to answer every question that has been raised in regard to the president, his strategy.

Will it work, will it not work? Will it actually congeal people to go to war or will there come from it? A time of amazing peace change, though for sure as we’ve talked about is happening because literally every nation in the world, every leader of every nation is having to reevaluate their connection to our nation. And just as much as things are happening in our country through executive order action that touches every person, not one person, life has not been touched or being touched in ways that yet to be unknown means still unknown. So is the case on the global stage, which makes these days extraordinarily interesting and to be observed. Now that being the case JR, let’s go back into as we conclude today’s program where we’ve taken just a few of the headline news of the day these past weeks and considered them from a human perspective shaped by the lens of scripture.

And your view and your perspective is very, very valuable. It may not reflect everybody’s perspective that are listening. You and I don’t always agree on our perspective. We come at a different perspective, but we ultimately always agree on the part that it touches scripture because that is the truth. And it doesn’t change, it’s not open to perspective. But let me go here now because we’re going to go to Russia years ago, you remember this and I do as well, that when Russia and Ukraine began to engage in a war in a significant way, and ladies and gentlemen, you remember this probably as well, president Joe Biden, then he blustered and he threatened and like the arrogant leader that he was or the extent that somebody was telling him to say what he did. Either way, he threatened Russia with sanctions and penalties and he was very bold.

He stated that he would by his policies, bring Russia to the point of economic poverty and collapse and he would bring Vladimir Putin to his knees. You may remember that it was very bold on this program. We discussed that threat right on the heel of when it was just said. And I said specifically in that program that that announcement indicated more of Joe Arrogancy and wishful thinking than it did of reality. Because when you look at biblical prophecy in these end days, Russia, according to how we read scripture, does not disappear as a power, but actually becomes a rising power JR. Then you stated right after that I said yes, in fact and sanctions, that’s the direction you went. Strategic, at least sanctions against the nation have never worked. So now we sit here today with a Russia not weakened, but strengthened opposite of what Joe Biden said would happen.

But yet days ago, Donald Trump threatened more sanctions and other penalties against Russia when they were not doing what he wanted them to do in regard to an agreement there with Ukraine. So there’s a parallel almost in place. So let’s look at this prophetical aspect of Russia as it relates today. Share your thoughts JR regarding Russia’s position and military power in these end days. What do we know and what should astute believers be observing regarding Russia? And I’m going to say the other axis of power. Iran, we talked about China, these are operating together. Turkey, we didn’t throw that into it, but that’s a part of the mix. So kind of put that together and bring the prophetical aspect to play here.

JR McGee:

Sam, there’s an awful lot the Bible has to say about money. And the two verses that I find that I think are closely related to this is Matthew 6 24. It says, no man can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. And Proverbs 1128 says, he who trust his riches will fall, but the righteous will flourish like foliage. Sanctions don’t work. And the reason why they don’t work is because it’s too easy to find a way around them. Russia’s got a shadow fleet that they use to transport their oil anywhere. They want to sell it anywhere they want. Iran does the exact same thing. China’s doing the exact same thing. But what we’re seeing is Russia is continuing to into the role that’s predicted by the Bible precisely as the Bible predicts it.

Biden did predict that his actions were going to destroy Russia, but the ruble in Russia is stronger now than when before this all began. And I think that Russia is going to come out of all this mess with Ukraine and Russia’s going to be stronger and they’ve gained territory, they’ve gained resources, they’ve gained assets that they don’t have now. And I think ultimately Russia’s going to then turn her attention on the next target country from the former Warsaw Pac Nations. I personally believe it’s most likely going to be the Baltics next. If it was Georgia, then it was Ukraine. And I think the Baltics are next. As Russia sees this strategy that they’re pursuing working, even if it doesn’t work perfectly, it’s working. They’re not going to give that up. Now let’s turn to Iran. Iran’s watching all of this go on. They’ve watched for three years how America has been fairly ineffective other than money at protecting Ukraine.

And Iran now sees Russia is their only hope for protection, and I think they’re going to be right. And here’s the big biggest deal. The other Middle Eastern countries right now that the United States has lost influence with, they’re on the fence as to who their strong horse is. And I think once this is all over, those countries are going to come down on Russia’s side and they’re going to come down hard. And that the ultimate threat from my perspective is China, Russia, and Iran. They’re growing their alliance both economically and militarily, like you said. Like I said, there’s a naval war gaming situation going on right now off the coast of Iran that China’s participating in, Russia’s participating in, and several other Middle Eastern countries are participating in. That’s a big deal. I think that these countries all know that even though the United States military is weaker than we were, we have problems.

We don’t have enough naval ships, we don’t have enough planes, we don’t have enough almost anything. We’ve used up our equipment in the Middle East protecting other people, and now we’ve given away our reserves to Ukraine. Our military needs to be rebuilt and rebuilt immediately. But even in that state, Russia and China don’t really want to take us on head to head in military campaign. So I think that this strategy that they’re developing, which is an asymmetrical conflict, they’re going to attack infrastructure like telecommunications. Think of all the cables that have been damaged recently, the electrical grid, internet banking, transportation, food and water distribution. We are very, very vulnerable with that. And now there’s one piece of the, and most people aren’t talking about, and that’s India. India is very much in play for Russia and China. India is open to talking with Trump. They’re open to working with the United States, but they’re playing their cards very close to the vest and they can very easily realign with China and Russia. And I think that the Middle Eastern strong horse philosophy applies to India as well. India is going to go where they think that they’re going to be protected. Now, if you look at Deuteronomy chapter 31 verse six, it says, be strong and be of good courage. Do not fear nor be afraid of them. For the Lord your God. He is the one who goes with you. He will not leave you nor forsake you.

Sam Rohrer:

And JR and JR, Just because we’re out of time, we’re going to have to leave it there because that’s the place to leave it. Ladies and gentlemen, we’ve covered what we can from human perspective. Be aware that what man plans, God overrules God’s plan, as we’ve talked about so long, will come about on that we can be fully confident. So we pray for those who are in leadership that they would do that which is honoring to God’s word and that we do what we must as long as we are here. And that is share the gospel and live holy lives.