Goodbye Humanity 1.0:
Quantum Computing & The Beast System
March 6, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Leo Hohmann
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/6/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and thanks for joining me today and I’ll be having a conversation just a moment. So stay with us with recurring expert guest, a favorite guest on this program based on what I’m hearing from you and folks all across the country. And that’s Leo Hohmann, author, researcher, independent, investigative journalist, and author of the 2017 book Stealth Invasion. So Leo, when you come in, I have to say you need to write a new book. But anyway, you can tell us about it. But Leo also has a website at Leo Hohmann, that’s H-O-H-M-A-N-N two ns leo Hohmann.substack.com. And I’ll repeat that. But as I mentioned yesterday on this program that Leo would be joining me today as we’re going to touch on a couple of themes, highlighted one particular article that he’s written recently. In addition, we’re going to give some further analysis and insights into the President’s 100 minute address to Congress two nights ago.
Now, as I’ve said many times on this program as God fearing citizens, and most of you are listening to this program, you’re definitely in that category or you probably would not be listening to this program. But nonetheless, God fearing citizens, you listening today as we live in this time, the Lord has warned, we’ve talked about it many occasions that Lord has warned that this age in which we live would be dominated by deception. So he said, be very, very careful. Don’t fall into the trap of deception and be deceived. So therefore, we must daily recalibrate our thinking about what is and compare what the scripture says to what we see and hear all around us. Now, that’s the solution, quick, that’s the problem, that’s the solution. Now, as I’ve addressed in many recent programs, some with Dr. Renton Rathbun, Dr. Carl Brogue, Dr. Marlene McMillan and others, deception always includes a lot of truth.
And the more truth it contains, the more compelling the deception and the deceivers will be. So that’s a truth we need to understand. So with Christ’s warning as a foundational consideration on this program, with God’s help, we try to bring a biblical worldview to bear regarding the headline news of the day. Now today, this is where we’re going to go. We’re going to consider three different areas. First, some additional considerations, as I mentioned of the president’s congressional speech. Second, a consideration of what is actually unfolding in Europe regarding the Trump peace proposal in Ukraine. And then thirdly, in the last two segments, a consideration of a recent Microsoft announcement. They say an entirely new form of matter, which means no longer is it just solid liquid and gas, which we’ve all learned in our high school science classes. But this new matter will make it possible a meaningful quantum computer available not in decades as some have predicted, but in years that’s what they say. We’re going to go more into that. You don’t want to miss that. The title I’ve chosen to frame today’s program highlights, which we’ll cover in the last two segments, that and others, is this goodbye humanity, 1.0, quantum Computing and the Beast System. That’s the title. And with that, welcome to Leo. Thanks for being back with me today. You’re busy, you just got off another interview. I’m glad and hope you have enough strength to go through this hour.
Leo Hohmann:
Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Sam.
Sam Rohrer:
You’re welcome. Let’s go with this. The president’s address to Congress on Tuesday night, many favorable observers said the speech was heralded in many good ways. It was a hundred-minute length. That was an historic thing, the boldness and the clarity. It was highlighted by many, the Democrat response where they just sat in open rebellion with one member having to be hauled out by the sergeant of arms or other things where they just sat with their arms crossed and didn’t even respond to even the most positive things, whether like instance the President highlighted a little boy with cancer who desires to be a policeman or others who’s had lives damaged due to the consequence of transgender policy or the malicious taking of life by lawless legal aliens. They just sat there and they wouldn’t even respond to any of that. That is notable. But here’s my question to you. When you observed it, what in your opinion, were the most significant themes communicated by the president that night? Let’s go there first. The most significant, actually communicated.
Leo Hohmann:
Well, he hit the issues that I think you would expect him to strike on cleaning up the border, working for peace in Europe where we’ve got this escalating war for three years now, getting bloodier and bloodier between Ukraine and France, which many say is just a proxy war for the, I’m sorry, UK and France dealing with Russia…But yeah, with Ukraine and Russia. And many people believe that’s just a proxy war for NATO against Russia. Well, he’s been trying to change the dynamic on that, and I liked what I heard from him on ending this obsession with transgenderism and woke in the military in the school districts where he’s now saying that schools that continue to promote this won’t get any federal funding. He’s talking about closing down, actually closing the Federal Department of Education. So many good things on that front. Sam and the Democrats, as you said, did not respond well to it at all, even on some of the things that you would think would be Democrat issues, like no tax on tips and overtime work and social security benefits for our aging senior citizens. Those are all things that Democrats, the old Democrats would’ve been in support of, at least in theory and would’ve applauded when they heard a president of any stripe of any party mention it at a high profile event like a State of the Union address.
Sam Rohrer:
Yep, totally agree. And the last minute there, just a quick response, anything conspicuously missing from your perspective or an area you wished perhaps would have received a bit more attention than it did?
Leo Hohmann:
I noticed he did not bring up this Gaza takeover plan where he is talking about taking the United States, taking ownership and redeveloping the Gaza Strip into some sort of an entertainment district. I think that might’ve been a good thing because of that, that means maybe that plan’s not going forward as fast as he would or not being received on the world stage like he thought it would. And I don’t think that’s a good idea, but also I would’ve maybe have liked to have seen them focus a little bit more on some of the things that would help the middle class. We’re in a period here in history where the globalists are saying you’ll own nothing and be happy, and people are being forced out of their homes, out of their cars because of rising taxes on property taxes rates are skyrocketing 20 to 40% in many states.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, Leon does have to step in because we’re about out of time. So ladies and gentlemen, obviously you can’t put everything into a speech. But anyways, just a quick overview. When we come back, we’re going to shift to one area that was mentioned that is regularly the news and that is Ukraine and Russia, if you’re just joining us, welcome aboard. Some of you may be in a car right now. You may be in your kitchen perhaps listening, or you may be, well, who knows where you were because this program carried live on about 50 stations here and then throughout the day about another 500 more across the country. Tomorrow this program will be carried across the country of Kenya in Africa, and a couple of neighboring nations pick this up as well. And so you may be, who knows where you may be, the Lord knows, but wherever, if you’re listening to the program, pray for us, uphold us in prayer because our commitment here is to the truth and you are a critical part of that.
So with that being said, titled for the program today and the focus is this goodbye humanity, 1.0 Quantum Computing and the Beast System. And that’s going to come off of an article that my special guest today, Leo Hohmann, the website@leoHohmann.substack.com, wrote an article a couple weeks ago or just about that. And we’re going to go there in segment three and four. And so you’re probably wondering what in the world is that all about? You really want to hear that not being the case. Leo, let’s move now to the continuing unfolding issue of Ukraine and Russia, which have been going on and on. We know that the president’s proposal, he has made a proposal and a demand for peace there. It’s really not just, it’s a demand to the president of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky, and in that agreement basis for the peace plan is linking USAID.
If on the other hand, it doesn’t link USAID because it’s been cut off, but it does link any assistance to Ukraine to providing access for the United States to the vast amount over a trillion dollars worth of rare earth minerals that are in Ukraine. And at first, Zelensky adamantly refused that I think the whole world now knows, but he now seems willing to sign whatever that agreement is. It appears that Donald Trump’s logic is that while the European Union and nations of Europe gave monetary assistance far less the United States obviously, but gave help to Ukraine, they did it in the form of a loan while Joe Biden in the United States have just given, handed out far more funds to Ukraine but with nothing seemingly in return. So Trump is basically saying we want something back for the money that we’ve already put in and ostensibly link anything we would put into that.
So give us your rare earth minerals, which we need and then we’ll call it even now. That’s the pragmatic approach to deal making. I think that’s the simple part of it, but that doesn’t seem to be sitting well with the Europeans and I’m not totally sure where it actually sits with Russia frankly. So here’s my question to you, Leo. As you’ve been observing and writing about it, is the president’s proposal, in your opinion for peace in Ukraine, achievable, are all the pieces on the table that’s necessary? Is it ultimately going to be accepted by Russia, Ukraine as the other party and the Europeans generally? I mean they’re all a part of it. What’s your sense?
Leo Hohmann:
No, the short answer to that question is no. I don’t see anything leading to a lasting sustainable in that region that’s going on right now. I don’t see any of what’s going on right now leading towards a lasting or sustainable piece. Even the deal for the rare earth minerals, Sam, let’s say that that deal gets signed and now what happens, the United States has a vested interest in Ukraine beyond just geopolitical NATO, whether or not it’s allowed to go into NATO and whether or not it’s worth all of this funding, we now would have a vested interest to protect there because we’re invested in this claim on its rare earth minerals. And so now we would have to defend the country against Russia. So in that sense, I don’t really see what’s all that different than if we just go ahead and allow them to join NATO and say that if they’re ever attacked, article five is invoked and we’re now pledged and obligated to defend them. Either way, it seems to me like we’re overextending ourselves into an investment that would take boots on the ground US troops to really defend.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. And I think that argument is something that I share as well because the value of those minerals under the ground are things that frankly European nations would want as much as us. And so I think they’re actually going through the process of saying why should they get it and not us, but Russia also would want them anyway, so that’s there. So we’ll just let it there. Now here is another question somewhat as follow up. The overwhelming response was that when Zelensky met with the president and the vice president in the White House, that what he demonstrated was an extraordinary arrogant, he wore his shirt and not a tie as an example. And everybody probably has seen that argument that went on. It was kind of an amazing thing and I think everybody would agree that who was he to come in on the president’s turf on our turf and act like that?
So I think that’s clear probably to most people, but some say it was an indication that he is just stupid. On the other hand, some saying that it was not so much stupid but cleverly intentional so as to make himself in the eyes of the world who are looking to make him look strong against Donald Trump, who the Europeans and Zelensky don’t really like. Anyway, so here’s the question I just have to you. What do you think is Zelensky stupid or stupidly clever as it relates to that now infamous meeting? What do you think about that?
Leo Hohmann:
I think I would probably lean towards the ladder. If you look what happened directly after that meeting, he flew out to London, England and was wined and dined by the British. He got an audience directly with King Charles. They patted him on the back and said, don’t worry about that mean Trump. We’ll take care of you. If that was his goal, then it succeeded and he might be able to have his cake and eat it too. If we come back now and he apologizes to Trump or he doesn’t apologize, but he has said that he regretted, he came about as close to apologizing as you could without actually saying I’m sorry. And now then he gets the mineral deal with the United States as well. So he could end up with both the United States and Europe backing him in this war with Russia, which this is the problem, Sam, I think the whole mission of Zelensky is to draw the United States and Europe into that war.
That is what he craves. That is what he wants more than anything else because he knows that his army, his military is not sufficient to defeat the Russian military by there is no analyst out there worth his stones that could say that Ukraine can defeat Russia. That is a known fact. So he has to draw these other countries, these other great powers into the war if that’s his goal. And I do think that that is the goal, not just from Zelensky but the European globalist elites and the swamp in Washington. I think Trump has his sights elsewhere, but he could get snookered into the globalist elites plan to deal a below a military geopolitical, blow to Russia, knock it down a few notches, perhaps get a regime change and install a western puppet. And now you’ve got control not just over Ukraine’s, rare earth minerals, but Russia’s as well. And if people think Ukraine has a lot of rare earth minerals and they do, Russia has 10 times that many Russia is the world’s richest country when it comes to what lies underneath the soil. They don’t always have the capability to get it out of the ground and process it, but they have more rare earth in Russia than any other country in the world.
Sam Rohrer:
And that’s interesting, Leo, because the more we move into technology and computers of all types and all of that, the rare earth minerals become even more important. So ladies and gentlemen, stay with us as we’ll get into that issue in the next segment. But here’s a question for you. Doesn’t it seem to you Leo, that as a result of that encounter between Zelensky and the president and the positive response of the European folks with NATO and all that, they are seemingly putting themselves together to put together a European army. They’re talking about conscription and forcing people imposing a draft across Europe. What are your thoughts?
Leo Hohmann:
Yeah, that’s a very interesting question. We’ve got a lot of talk and news just breaking today on that front, the president of France, Emmanuel Macron came out in a speech today and talked about Europe preparing for war with Russia and he talked about a forming some sort of pan-European nuclear shield to go along with a pan-European army, which he has long called for that. I think Macron is the one to watch in Europe. He’s not a very popular politician in his own country, but for some reason they never seem to be able to get rid of them. Isn’t that interesting? And you’ve got Trudeau and France a hundred percent in line with this talk of war. The country seems the world right now. Sam seems itching to go to war. Can you sense it in the air when you’ve got Trudeau, Keir Starmer in the UK saying we need boots on the ground and planes in the air to defeat Russia. Both sides seem to be poised for World War III.
Sam Rohrer:
Well it does. You’re not the only one to observe that, but I think that is clearly there. There’s something moving and pushing for that. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We’re going to shift from that move into this area of what Leo has referred to it, goodbye humanity 1.0. We’ll talk about that in a minute. Alright Leo, let’s change gears. All of these things we’re talking about today are all, well, let’s put it this way. There are connecting nexus or linkages between everything we’ve talked about today. There really are. You’ve got to connect them. So we’re going to go here to one because this in an article you wrote, it was actually just a couple of days after the last time you were with me back here in February, you wrote an article entitled Microsoft Boasts. I’m looking at the title, I think this is the actual title.
Microsoft boasts of having developed entirely New State of Matter will kickstart quantum Computer. That was kind of the title because it says it all, Microsoft boasts of having developed entirely new state of matter will kickstart quantum computer and then give a little sub quote underneath of it that says, quote, before humanity 2.0 can come into being, they must use ultra powerful AI to put the nail in the coffin of humanity 1.0. And that’s where I pulled my title from today. Goodbye Humanity 1.0. So let’s walk through some of this article now, and I know you don’t have all the information, you’re not a programmer, I’m not going to be asking you questions like that, but you have done a lot of research. Let’s get into it. How is Microsoft describing, how are they describing this entirely new state of matter, which is neither solid liquid or gas that I referred to in the first segment we went to high school or everything has got to be, it’s either a solid or a liquid or a gas. Now Microsoft says we got something entirely new. What are they talking about?
Leo Hohmann:
They’re talking about something they call topo conductors. It’s something they say they’ve been pursuing and researching and trying to get to that point for 20 years and now they’re at the precipice of doing it. It’s basically a much smaller, more powerful way of making a computer chip Sam where they can now instead of megabytes and terabytes, and I don’t know what they’re up to now with that, but I think it’s terabytes. But they’re talking now about qubits of computing power in which you can just gather and store so much more data with so much less space and a much smaller unit. And they would do it through these top of conductors, which are, they say a new type of matter, not a solid liquid or gas, but some sort of synthetic creation that they’ve been working on for 20 years. So that tells you how big this is and if they can pull it off, they’re saying in a number of it used to be seen as decades before we get to the level what they call supercomputing. Now they’re talking a matter of years, which means less than 10 years, probably three to five.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, and that’s significant and I’m going to quote that reference that you just referred to so people can hear that in contacts. Again, it’s in your article and ladies and gentlemen, if you have not subscribed to Leo’s articles, you can, and again, that website is Leo Hohmann.substack.com being independent, meaning he relies on you and people around the world independently to support him. Unlike most of the media or so much of the media we’ve heard about who’ve been supported by USAID as an example and controlled. Alright, so that’s what keeps a person independent is when they’re not receiving aid particularly from government, but that being the case in the article, let’s go further on what we were talking about there, Leo. You relate a quote by Microsoft, which I think is more significant and then it’ll bolster what you just said. You quote them, the topological superconductor is a special category of material that can create an entirely new state of matter, not a solid liquid or gas, but a so-called topological state and you’re saying you’re going to get quoting Microsoft said on its blog, and they went on and they added this quote, this harnessed to produce a more stable cubit Q-U-B-I-T, not a cubit as in Goliath being so many qubits tall.
This is a cubit, a measure of information Q-U-B-I-T-A more stable cubit that is fast small and can be digitally controlled without the trade-offs required by current alternatives. So that’s basically what you are referring to. There’s a lot in there because all those words need to be interpreted, but there is a phrase there that stood out to me and that stood out to you too, and that is able to be digitally controlled. What does digitally controlled mean to you and why is it potentially more than significant in their usage of that phrase?
Leo Hohmann:
Yeah, I think that’s a veiled reference to the versioning social credit scoring system where everybody, every thing living and non-living on the earth will be digitally controlled, meaning it’ll be tagged and tracked and they will know where it is at all times. If it’s a living thing, they will know what it’s doing, what it is purchasing and what even you’re using your purchases for because everything will be tied into this centralized computer system Right now we don’t have the computer computing power to implement such a system. I know it’s been talked about a lot if you read papers and such coming out of the World Economic Forum and other globalist think tanks, they talk a lot about digital tracking, digital identity for humanity, and while it is being implemented in some countries, it cannot be fully weaponized the way we would think of when we talking about the beast system.
And so if they are able to harness the power, as they say of super computing and without the trade-offs, they mentioned that as well, trade-offs required by the current alternatives where we’re talking about huge amounts of space being required and huge amounts of water and electricity, water to cool the servers down and keep them cool and electricity to power these things. They’re building these data centers all over the country, but they’re very intense in the terms of space they take up and power they need to operate. But if they can come up with a smaller, more powerful computer chip that does not require as much electric power and therefore water as well, resources basically is what we’re talking about, then they could go ahead and implement what they want to implement, which is the digital control of all things.
Sam Rohrer:
And we’re going to go into that a little bit further in the next segment. You did not reference it and I ask you not to, but we’re going to go next deck because that is the usage of artificial intelligence because there is a role that that plays ladies and gentlemen, Leo, as you were talking about within the ability to conduct global surveillance, Chinese style surveillance tracking, ultimately driving it down to the individual where they cannot buy or sell if they don’t have the right credit score and can keep up on top of all of that. Part of that is the capacity to store all the information, meaning driver’s licenses, health data, financial data, mobility, tracking, where you’re living, where you’re going, where you’re moving, and bring all of that down. It takes a tremendous amount of space and of course the faster the computation can be, well the quicker the response can be. So we’ve been moving towards this for a long time. You’ve referred to it, I think you were one of the first to refer to this system as the beast system. We know prophetically, that’s what we’re coming out to. But out of curiosity, when you began to write about what you called the beast system, which involves this tracking ability, do you remember when that began? When did you first start writing about that?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, I remember even in the mid to late nineties, people were talking about the RFID chips that are on products sold in major department stores and whatnot even back then. So we were already seeing the beginning stages of this drive, this obsession if you will, by humanity to be able to track tag and track things. It didn’t really come into being on the human level where we wanted to track the movement of people. I don’t think until after nine 11 they started talking about upgrading our system of identification with the real ID and the biometric. You now have to get fingerprinted and have that biometric identifying factor merged in with your driver’s license, which was just proof that the driver’s license was never intended to be a driver’s license to begin with. It was a mass form of national identity card. If it was just to make sure that people were responsible drivers and had maybe gone through some basic training and their driving skills, then why would they need your fingerprint? Right.
Sam Rohrer:
All right, there you go. And then we’re out of time ladies and gentlemen. Stay with us. We’ll come back. We’re going to extend this conversation and we’re going to share what they say about this quantum computing and how small they can get it. Alright, Leo, let’s go into our final segment now. Again, ladies and gentlemen, this issue we’re talking about here at the moment is this new development announced by Microsoft’s CEO. A new technology called quantum computing. They’re describing it as they have developed and discovered a new form of matter no longer constrained by that which is only a solid or a liquid or a gas, which is what we’ve always thought was the case. They’ve said they have something new. Okay, well what does that something new do? Well, they’re saying it’s going to revolutionize everything relative to the computer industry, everything related to the internet, to processing of information to the storing of information and what was thought to be decades away.
They’re saying is within years and generally, I’ve found that when statements of that type come forward and they say it’s available in years in reality they’re pretty close to already having it already. They don’t announce it until they have something almost there because most of this stuff, I don’t know about this, but most technologies, the internet included and everything else has come out of the military development. DARPA has developed most of these things and then they release it to the public for a retail advantage after they’re already locked in and using it. So what they actually mean, I don’t know, but what they’re saying is it’s at hand and it’s significant. Now here’s another statement. Microsoft, CEO, Satya Nadel, and this again, Leo is in your article, you quoted him, you say this Nadella, Microsoft EO Nadel added this. Imagine a chip that can fit into the palm of your hand yet is capable of solving problems. Get this ladies and gentlemen that even all of the computers of the earth today combined could not.
Did you get that? Imagine a chip that could fit into the palm of your hand yet is capable of solving problems, having computer power, processing speed, all of that kind of stuff that all the computers on the earth today combined could not. That is why it’s called quantum computing. It’s beyond a comprehension and why they’re saying it’s in a different form of matter. Now, Leo, I find that an astounding comment to stay the least, particularly when you connect what I asked you about in the last segment, and that is digital control aspect of it. This becomes something almost like a sci-fi type thing, but it’s right at hand, isn’t it? What dots are connected in your mind when you see that kind of a statement and say, wow, this technology unbelievable is really at hand, literally at hand, A chip in the hand?
Leo Hohmann:
Yeah. It seems to me what he’s referring to there is what’s called the singularity where the power of computing through AI and this I guess new form of matter that they say they’ve discovered becomes so powerful that it can now in a single unit achieve a singularity, meaning more intelligence, more artificial intelligence than all of the computers combined and all knowledge that is known to man over the history of the world can be embodied in this single computer chip. That is incredible. It also brings up the whole idea of the computer chips and artificial intelligence becoming sentient, meaning that they can take on a sort of mind of their own. Right now, when we think of ai, we think of, yeah, it’s artificial intelligence, but it’s still, it’s just it’s computers, but giving us information. But it’s still programmed by human beings and it is limited by what is programmed into the chip by the human being with the software systems. Well, if it becomes sentient, it now has so much knowledge that it can think on its own and not just answer maybe a simple question based on pre-programmed information, but be able to break new ground in terms of philosophical mental ability. If it gets to that point, then humanity really is in trouble. I think, Sam,
Sam Rohrer:
Well, that’s where you get into everything that you’ve written about and we’ve talked about as well, the transhumanism concept where you technology with the human body, which is what the folks at World Economic Forum, what the folks like Larry Ellison at Oracle, those that are involved, the billionaires that are involved in these 500 billion commitment, they say to the building and the expansion, the completing of these multi, there’re at least 10 underway right now across the country of which the president sat down with them the day right after the inauguration and said, full commitment is there. And they said in that setting, the linking of all cameras, dash cams, police cams that are in their house cams, individual data, health data, financial data, they made it clear that all of that was there. But now you’ve got this mechanism that they’re saying literally will fit in your palm has the processing speed analysis, speed of ai, but holding the capacity for literally turning a person into a transhuman. This is what these guys have been dreaming about for a long time. This is what goes through my mind. What else goes through your mind right now?
Leo Hohmann:
You’re right. They didn’t connect that.at the White House meeting. That was actually a statement made by Larry Allison a few months prior in I think the fall of 2024, where he sat down with a podcaster in an interview and said that we would all be on our best behavior because there would be internet connected cameras everywhere watching and listening to us 24 7. And so this is the same man with that evil intent who has been heroize made into a hero by President Trump. I believe Trump mentioned him again just in his address to Congress a couple of nights ago as one of the men that he looks up to when getting advice on technological issues. And so here we have a case where this man is clearly Larry Ellison of Oracle sold out to evil and desiring to use the power of this technology for evil. And yet President Trump is either ignorant of it or willing to dismiss it because he sees some other applications out there. He keeps talking about competing with the Chinese and the necessity of not getting left behind on AI in this global competition factor. But if that’s the case, he might need to hook up with somebody other than Larry Ellison. And Sam Altman is another one who’s not much better than Ellison.
Sam Rohrer:
No, you’re right. And we’re about to end of the program right now. I’m just going to conclude here. Leo, thanks so much for being with us today. Ladies and gentlemen. The things we’ve touched on is just a portion of those things which are happening. We share these things to help us to understand, perceive what is taking place, and to pray for wisdom for those who are there in Washington, to pray for our President, to pray for those around him. The kinds of policies that have to be made cannot be made safely based just on pragmatism. It requires the discernment of the Holy Spirit and understanding of prophecy as well, because these things that we’ve described, of course, they describe the very elements of that which the Bible says will happen in the days that are just ahead of us. We’re just at incredible days. We share that for that reason so that we can think bigger, be dependent upon the Lord himself and go to his word for truth. Alright, Leo Hohmann, thanks so much for being with us ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being with us.
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