REAL ID & The May 7 Deadline: What’s Next?

REAL ID & The May 7 Deadline: What’s Next?

May 29, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Twila Brase

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 5/29/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our monthly emphasis on health freedom with Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom with a website@cchfreedom.org. All right, CCH freedom.org. Since Donald Trump’s appointment of Robert F. Kennedy, RFK as Secretary of Health and Human Services and his vision of Make America healthy again, anticipation of truly health friendly policy changes have been high. For those wishing like us to reclaim so much what we’re going to say of lost health freedom that we’ve seen in America over the past years and not surprisingly, those who have made their choice to, I’m going to say sell out their Hippocratic and constitutional oaths for a certain amount of shackles. For some it’s few and for some it may be billions of federal bribe money, including politicians and big pharma and big government elites and big media.

For that group fear has been high for what might come out of an RFK Health and Human Services guided agency. Now, approximately three months into the process, numerous health policy changes have been announced from such things as outlawing. For instance, certain of the most dangerous food dyes to changes regarding COVID vaccine requirements and much more. So today on this program, we’re going to get an update on the key policy changes from HSS, the CDC and the FDA all under that rubric with an update on real ID since the phased implementation date of May 7th was not delayed, that was now behind us, but that real ID phased implementation date was not delayed by the Trump administration. So in addition, we’re also going to update from TWI on what the Trump Executive Order allegedly, and I’m going to say that because whatever it is, but slashing a drug cost, what that really means. Now, all this and more today here on Stand in the Gap today and the title I’ve chosen to frame today’s health freedom update in our conversation is Real ID and the May seven deadline. What’s next? So we’re just going to go off of that theme. We’ll talk about that particular item in segment three, but with that Twila, welcome back to the program. You’ve been a busy woman traveling all across the country and thank you for the efforts that you’ve made.

Twila Brase:

Yeah, well it’s always glad, I’m always glad to be here. Thank you, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

In the last weeks since you were with me, it’s about a month ago now. You and your team have been truly busy about your mission of, I’m going to say defending and attempting to regain much of our lost health freedom. And I’d like to start with an overview of your trip to DC. Now, if folks don’t know that you were down there, but you did go, it’s an important thing to do, there are important people to see. You can spend a lot of time in DC and sometimes when you leave you wonder what had I done? But I want to ask you, what were your goals for that trip and to what degree were you able to see some of these goals achieved?

Twila Brase:

Yes, it is quite the thing to try to see progress in dc but we did have three goals and one was to get the Retirement Freedom Act reintroduced. And while we were there, we found out that the house, it was reintroduced in the house and we were able to talk with the author Gary Palmer, Congressman Gary Palmer in Alabama. We also were able to talk with Senator Cruz’s staff because he has been the author of the Senate version. And really we have about 12 months left where this could perhaps get passed, but it is considered controversial and so it’s going to be difficult, but there are some thoughts like maybe it could be tacked onto another bill somehow. So another one was that we have a bill that we call it Make Health insurance Real. Again, the Affordable Care Act took away real health insurance and the kind just for catastrophic and insurable events. And this bill would allow everyone all over the country to reinstitute and sell those kind of really affordable only insurance only for insurable events kind of policy. And then so we’re working on that one with a congressman’s office and we actually met with that congressman. And then the last thing is real id, we were asking for the rule to be stopped and the law to be repealed, but it is amazing how few people really understand what real ID is, even in the halls of Congress.

Sam Rohrer:

Tony, that’s not surprising. I was in the halls of the Pennsylvania house back when it was first implemented on that particular item and it was amazing then how few people understood what was even more concerning since it came out of Washington was how fewer people there understood. And the greater part was how few wanted to know what it was. That was the bigger problem I dealt with. And we’ll talk more about that in the third segment, but if you were to look in your trip there to DC specifically, we’re looking at health freedom, your focus, what is the most significant gain, if you could put it that way, in health freedom, and I’m going to say not in word but deed, in other words, not people talking about something, but is there anything substantive? If so, what is it that has happened thus far this part of this first part of the Trump administration that have been genuine gains in health freedom?

Twila Brase:

So I think there are some substantive things, and there are some that feel like they’re going to be substantive and we’re just kind of waiting. One is that Trump has really targeted illegals and removing them from the country and ending healthcare funding for illegals, which the federal government funding the states and the states letting these people into these programs like Medicaid and their illegals are undocumented, but they’re getting all of this free money from the taxpayers while taxpayers are hardly able to pay for their own care, right? So he did the executive order called ending taxpayers subsidization of open borders, and that includes stopping federal funds for emergency healthcare, for example, to undocumented illegals and then the withdrawal from the World Health Organization. And I really think that’s going to hold. I think that is true. I think that the World Health Organization doesn’t like it at all because we’re the biggest funder, but I think it’s great. The COVID shot just got taken off of the schedule for healthy children and healthy pregnant women, and they are going to require more research for the COVID shot to be given to anyone who is healthy.

Anyone over the age of six months who is healthy up to 65 years old, well actually all the way through to the end of life, but unhealthy people could get it without all that research.

Sam Rohrer:

Those are just a few ladies and gentlemen of things that are either substantive actually have been accomplished or in process with a likelihood of being accomplished. And it is good to be able to note some of those. When we come back, we’re going to dig a little bit deeper into now some of the impacts that RFK himself have had and a little bit more about the COVID vs change as well as some of the other things that have happened coming out of the HS under his leadership. Well, if you’re just joining us today, welcome aboard. This is our focus, our monthly focus on health freedom. We do this once a month, that’s why it’s monthly. And our guest is always TWI a Brase. She is the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. They have a website@cchfreedom.org, which if you are interested in matter of health freedom, and I don’t know anyone listening to me right now who is not, or should I put this way, you should be interested in health freedom because it literally affects everything from standpoint of what doctor you go to, to what he requires, to what hospital you go to if you can find a hospital, if you can find a doctor or what insurance you have.

All of that is a part of health freedom. And we talk about it regularly on this program and it’s because as we’ve talked about before so many times is that the area of health freedom is the one area of freedom that centralized totalitarian government always likes to get their hands around because when you can control a person’s health, you can control their fears, you can control their movement and all of that. Now just being said, health freedom is important and that’s why we do it monthly. Now, in this aspect, twi, let’s go into this other area here. We started by talking about Robert F. Kennedy as Secretary of Health and Human Services has brought change already. Many who are hopeful for positive change are anticipating good things. Others who fear having their little fiefdoms disrupted, they fear what he may do. But just two days ago, the Secretary of Health and Human Services RFK released this quote on X and he said this quote, I couldn’t be more pleased to announce that as of today, the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule.

Alright, now with that statement, does it appear or it does appear that a positive change has been made by removing the COVID vaccine from the recommended immunization schedule for healthy children and healthy pregnant women. Although I’m going to put in my thought here and I’m going to want you to give the overall perspective, yet it does appear to let stand the recommendation for now that the COVID shot deadly shot, we now know confirmed all over has been confirmed that it’s still given to people who would be 65 and over and those likely to get sick. To me, that seems kind of strange because sick people really don’t need the COVID shot because it’ll make them sicker. And so there’s a little bit of a not quite sure what all I read in this. So what’s your take on this change form over substance or is this a true win for health freedom? What are we being told and what are we perhaps not being told on this change?

Twila Brase:

So I think it’s a win and I think it’s a win because you can tell by all the bemoaning that going on in the media, all the articles coming out against Trump and RFK and FDA and in all of them. But I think it’s also a political move. It’s kind of a splitting of the baby. And I think that might be because I believe that President Trump is still claiming that operation warp speed was a success even though it wasn’t. And even though it endangered the American population, even though there are millions of lives, it’s not funny, there are millions and millions of lives who are their forever changed. Either somebody died that they loved or they have permanent disabilities. And then there’s a study that just came out in the last month, I think from Yale News, which talks about finding in tissue more than 700 days after the shot, finding the spike protein.

And you might recall when they said it’ll just stay in your arm. It won’t go anywhere, no worries, no worries, but it’s all over. It goes all over the body and it’s the toxic spike protein that is still there more than 700 days later in a certain percent of people or a certain number of people. And so it has stain force and it’s toxic and we don’t even know how long it will stay. Some people say that the pseudo uridine is what keeps it from breaking down. I’m not sure, and I’m not a scientist, right? But what we know is that there’s continued damage, but it’s still a win to at least take in some of it away and then to require research for others before they will recommend it for healthy people.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, I would agree with that on that. I’ve had other physicians, doctors actually on the program and talked about the mRNA component of the shot is what makes it stay in the body for 700 days, literally forever because the body is now producing the spike protein and yes, big harm. So this is a change in the good direction, I would agree. But more needs to be done, obviously. Now let’s go to another area of change. This was a big one, and it has to do with, well, let’s put this way, the processed food cartel, I’ll put it that way. Those who’ve been making much of our processed foods here in America for a long time came under the gun with an HHS change April 22nd, the FDA actually made a decision to do this. They said to phase out all petroleum based synthetic dyes from the nation’s food supply by 2026. And of course when I read that, it makes me say, yeah, petroleum based synthetic dyes, all of that sounds really nasty. And of course that has been a part of RFKs concern about dyes in our food now. So what about this? What’s your take on this and form over substance or is this a true win for health freedom?

Twila Brase:

I think this is substance over form, but I guess we’re going to see, I think when you look at what has happened to this country and how big we have allowed the federal government to get, then you deal with these problems that we shouldn’t have the federal government dealing with our food. There’s nothing in the constitution that says the federal government can make enactments about our food, but the federal government is giving so much money to our food makers, to the industry that they’re the ones that currently have power. Whereas the people have a lot less power in figuring out what these things are. But I would say that the American people have increasingly, when they buy something, they look at the ingredients and they turn certain things away either because of dyes or different kinds of fats or the number of sugar. So the American population is getting much more smart about this much. But I do think that this might be more substance over form, but we shall see.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And we shall see as well. Okay. And the last remaining minutes of this, I’m going to open it up for you. What other areas of HSS Robert F. Kennedy policy initiatives either has happened or in discussion that you have identified that would be good for health freedom?

Twila Brase:

So it’s good that they’re going after DEI. And you see a lot of the industry now are backing away from DEI because of the Trump administration. But I think one thing I would like to see more from RFK is going after the medical schools where DEI is still taking place. And it’s just so dangerous for patients to have doctors now on pass fail scores rather than actual scores in order to keep them as doctors and keep them in medical school and they’re really not even qualified. So that is something that they’re going after, but they need to go after it even more. Taking out some of the federal contractors, getting rid of the NGOs and all their DEI money and equity money and this money and that money, they just suggested that they might stop publication of any government research in these fake news research journals.

And so I’m just calling them because they were responsible for faulty COVID research. They were responsible for faulty claims about the shot and about the ivermectin. And then something that I know that probably nobody even knows in your listenership, and that is the Medicare Advantage, value-based care pilot projects in something called the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation. All of them have been shut down. They were all creating by the government new models for paying for healthcare and for delivering it, which is not where the government should be. And some of that could have been rationing of care. But interestingly enough, the study found that the center A study found that the center increased spending in Medicare by 5.4 billion because of this center. So a lot of this, getting rid of this waste and these programs and these agencies is very, very good. I will say that I think that RFK is more a focus on public health right now. Then he has been focused on actual care and coverage in insurance industry, Medicare, Medicaid, and I’m hoping that he will start to focus more on making that happen. Even though Trump has said, we’re not going to touch Medicare, we’re not going to touch Medicaid, they have to be touched.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, they do. We don’t have much time left. But from your estimation, do you think RFK understands the personal side of the health freedom aspect of the patient doctor relationship or is he just staying up on the big issues?

Twila Brase:

I think he understands the public health side much better. Even in his questioning by the Senate. I think that was pretty clear. But I also do think that there is a concern he has about health that would extend naturally to the patient doctor relationship and the ability to actually get really good services. The United States is moving from a medical model to a nursing model in healthcare. And a lot of people don’t understand that. But that’s not necessarily good for the patient because we’re losing the medical expertise. And it would be nice if he would understand that,

Sam Rohrer:

You know what, that nursing model thing, we got to talk about that further. I think our listeners would appreciate that. With that in mind, stay with us ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back in the next segment. We are going to talk about real id. We’ve passed now the May 7th implementation date. Trump administration did not slow it down, which means something’s in effect. We’re going to talk about what’s next then, well, on May the seventh, we’re just a couple of weeks behind us now the unconstitutional national ID card, what am I talking about? Real id? That’s what it is. It’s unconstitutional because it requires the states to conform and yield their rights for citizen determination to a national standard that is unconstitutional. A violation of the 10th Amendment, if not more. That’s real id it’s national ID card. Anyways, the May 7th date was allowed by the Trump administration to go into effect, and I’m going to say here because I’m not happy about this.

The GOP controlled House and Senate in Washington did nothing. And it was pushed hard and deceptively statements made by Christie Noem, secretary of HS, Homeland Security. She made statements that were simply not true about real id. And as a result, that May 7th date a phased implementation, and Twila will discuss that a little bit more was allowed to go into effect. And I’m going to say here, just from my perspective, because when I was in office here in Pennsylvania, I fought this early on in the late two thousands, 2000 6, 7, 5, what came into effect in 2005. But by so doing meaning the Trump administration not doing anything to delay this date, I’m going to say without equivocation that they are willing to take credit for moving the real Id forward more officially I’m going to say, than Barack Obama and Joe Biden, who at least under their administrations delayed further past implementations.

Though I’m going to say it puts them on par with George Bush II because it was under his leadership, globalist leadership that allowed real ID to be put into place along with the Patriot Act, if you all remember that, which did what it consolidated federal government control over so many aspects of American citizens’ lives and a usurping of state sovereignty. And that’s a big deal. Well, now it’s reached a point that it has not reached before. Let’s talk now real ID from your perspective. Why didn’t anyone in the GOP Congressional leadership or the Trump administration do anything to delay the real ID phased implementation? I mean, you were busy talking to people. I communicated to people why did nothing happen this time?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think for several reasons. One, I think they’re like, it’s 20 years, it’s a done deal. We’re not going back. Just kind of that whole thing. But the other thing laid on top of that is that I don’t think they have any idea what real ID is, and I don’t think they have any idea where it’s going. And so the bureaucrats, the globalists, they’re all pushing this and lots of the legislators are clueless. I was just in South Dakota where some folks there organized a meeting of conservative state legislators and their eyes, I think their eyes were open, their minds were blown. Let’s just put it that way. They really had no idea. And it’s on their plan that they will be doing something to try to fight real ID in the next legislative session. But the other thing is their constituents and the chamber of commerce.

So the Chamber of Commerce in Minnesota really wanted real id. And that’s one of the reasons the Republicans, it was the Republicans who put it in who conformed to federal law here in Minnesota. And the Chamber was regularly saying, we need real id. But they’re constituents, the average Joe, right? They want to stop illegal aliens and they want to stop voter fraud. And so the bureaucrats are using those two issues to tell these proponents or to tell these people that real idea is going to solve this problem. And so they’re using these two issues to convince Americans that it’s a good thing while Americans are being sold into the framework of a social credit system, a digital biometric controlled system meant to really put limits on what you can do in your life. And I just read an article about what’s happening in the country of Ghana. In the country of Ghana, they have a biometric scheme and it’s for everything. It’s for paying taxes, it’s for getting medical care, it’s for driving a car. Everything you can think of is happening through the biometrics, the face scan, the fingerprint, and this is how it’s moving. They started out in these other countries, but it’s a globalist thing and we have to see it and we have to stop it. And lots of legislators are clueless and you have to help them to understand.

Sam Rohrer:

And Twila, in my opinion, you summed that up very, very well. And it’s one of those things, ladies and jump. You ever hear this little phrase that talks about the frog boiling slowly in the water, put him in the water and he’ll hop out, put him in, turn up the heat slowly he’ll boil and he’ll never jump out. It’s been how many years now? 20 years. 2005 was the year that real ID was first introduced. It was referred to by Lamar Alexander, US Senator from Tennessee who correctly identified it and led opposition as a national ID card. Well, back in that point in time, a national ID card was, show me your papers. We all get that in our mind, right? It was opposed. So you just wait. You just push it off and you wait. Now it’s 20 years later, people are 20 years older.

What they heard 20 years ago, well, nothing’s happened. So I guess there’s nothing to worry about. And the frog is just about to be boiled. And what happened on May 7th was that this was put into effect and it’s phased in. So twilight. Yeah, it really is incredible thing. Just wait long enough and people will end up embracing what they just hated the other day. But here now, what happens next? May 7th is now gone. What about people who don’t have the real id? They’re going to be hearing more that they need it, but what is the matter in law right now and what do you think will happen as the next step and what people should do as a next step now that May seven has actually come?

Twila Brase:

Well, the first thing that people should do is go to refuse real id.org, refuse real id.org and get educated. And we have some special forms and that forms with documents one pagers up there, the entire timeline of real id. Just on one sheet of paper, we have How to Lose Your Real ID and switch back to freedom. And this is one thing that people are doing, but May 7th came and went the day before May 7th. Christie Nome had to tell Congress and she had to admit that people could fly without a real id, but they’re going to have to go through some exit checks just like they would have to if they lost their real ID and some trip, right?

So anyway, they have a two years, May 5th, 2027 is their new deadline bill. They don’t consider it a deadline. And most federal buildings are now requiring the real ID or a passport or passport card. You have to call them up and ask. And so they’re continuing to tighten the screws. And even on the TSA page where it lists 16 documents you can use to fly the day after Christine Noam said, you wouldn’t be able to fly without a real ID on April 12th, suddenly there appeared an alert above that list and said, this list can change anytime. So they might decide that the only way you can fly is a real ID or with a real idea or a passport. And so the things are, who can impact this? Well, every American can impact this by going and making the switch. And if they tell you you can’t make the switch, you have to ask them for the documents that say that that is true official documents like the rule, like the law, because there’s only five states according to Homeland Security that mandate the real id. The rest do not. So that means there’s a rule or there’s a law somewhere. They give you the option of a standard state driver’s license. And so we really must have more and more people refusing going to the standard state driver’s license and getting a passport or passport and passport card and using them to fly sleep at night until we solve this problem and get rid of the real id.

The other thing is that states can do it and your AG’s, your attorneys general can do it. And if you know a great attorney general in your state, I would like to hear from you. We have sent letters to all 50, but we need to know the ones who were most likely going to be in our camp and we need to talk to them.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, and that’s excellent. About a minute left. And simplest terms, if a person does not have a real id, which I don’t, I’m not going to get one, you’re advising we don’t have, what is it under law right now that we cannot do other than go into a federal building? If I go into a federal building, have a passport, I don’t care to go into a federal building right now, so that’s no big deal. But is there anything else that you know of that a person not having a real ID with a gold star on it, which makes it a real ID that they cannot do under law? Is there anything?

Twila Brase:

Well, what it says, what the law says is that the real ID is required for access to federal buildings, nuclear facilities, commercial flight, and any other purposes that the secretary shall determine. So right now, there are no other purposes, but the secretary alone can make that decision without going to Congress or the president and decide other things like medical care, like opening a bank account, like getting an education. You just think of the things you pull out your ID for, and then the idea that they’re planning to digitize it, put it on your phone and have real time access to it. So that would just make even more things that you couldn’t do that they get that far.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And that further action of totalitarianism, if that can happen and to give any secretary the ability to make that determination, ladies and gentlemen, tells you all you need to know, you don’t want to get the real Id avoid it when it come back. We will then move to the Trump Executive Order where drug costs are to be slashed. We’ll find out about what that means to you. Well, as we go into our final segment, we have one more area to cover on our matter of our focus on health freedom today. We’ve talked about the real ID in the last segment. It’s big, it touches everyone listening to me right now. And again, probably the best place that there’s most current information on this subject right now would be on Twila’s website@cchfreedom.org. So I won’t review any of that at the moment, but we’ll leave that there.

But talking about health freedom issues is you’ve had some good policies and some things coming out of the Health and Human Services, F-D-A-C-D-C, they sit under Robert f Kennedy’s leadership. But under that area, there have been some good things happening so far. Much more of course needs to be done. But the direction is certainly a good direction. There is one final one we want to touch on, and that is an executive order signed by the president on April the 15th. Executive order 1 4 2 7 3. Not that that’s necessarily important, but the title of it was Lowering Drug Prices by once Again Putting Americans First. Now it’s interesting, it’s an executive order with a marketing title, but that’s the idea. It’s lowering drug prices. But according to the section two of this executive order under section called policy objectives, it says this, I’ll just read it to you so you get a flavor of it.

But it says this, it is the policy of the United States that federal healthcare programs, intellectual property protections and safety regulations are optimized to provide access to prescription drugs at lower costs of American patients and taxpayers. Now, that’s just a piece of this rather lengthy executive order. Now following that section two, there are 13 other sections with varying degrees of specification that all ostensibly help drug availability to increase and lower costs to be achieved. Now that’s effectively the structure of that executive order. Alright, now, Twila, as I read this EO, there were many good things, particularly the intent to lower costs and all of that. Yet I must say in a complete objective perspective, lowering costs for healthcare was exactly what Joe Biden talked about and exactly what Barack Obama talked about and Hillary Clinton talked about. But what their idea was, was certainly not anything related to health freedom. So let me ask you the same type of question I posed earlier. Is what this EO contains executive order contains, is it form over substance? Is it word over deed? Or in fact, as a result of this, are there genuine gains to be achieved relative to health freedom?

Twila Brase:

Okay, well this is always such an interesting area. I would say that in short, these are price controls. There’s a real tenor here of controlling prices, which is never the free market. But because government has poured so much money into and therefore has so much control over healthcare through Medicare, Medicaid, the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program, they have a lot of control. But I view the pharmaceutical situation perhaps differently than lots of people. And I just say, why really? To what degree does FDA protect us? Look what happened during COVID. To what degree did FDA protect us? Well, they did not protect us at all. And this is just billions of dollars pouring into FDA and it’s as political as any other organization, right? And should we not free the pharmaceutical companies to live and die on their own ability to reduce good products and to be sued?

If they don’t, they spend 10 years and 2 billion to bring a drug to market to get it through the FDA process, which means only the big guys can win here. And the little guys and the people who have something really innovative, they might be able to get on for a little bit, but then they usually have to sell to the big guys. They can’t deal with all of that. And so we’re losing so many innovative ideas, so much creativity, so much fast research and production of things that people could really stand behind because they’ve really proven their product and they will live and die by it. They’ll put all their own black box warnings out there. The FDA has really halted what’s available for all of us. We’ve got this right to try. Well, we have the right to try because the FDA was just stalling things and taking 10 years to get something that could save lives now. And so I just have a different view of how this should go. And just doing price controls does not seem to be the way to do it.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright. And I didn’t know for sure what you were going to say Twila, but that was how I walked away from reading that as well, was that, yeah, price controls is an accurate way to describe it I think. And I think it’s pretty fair. So at the end of the day, is this neutral or coming out of this executive order? Will the current situation, which is not good relative to what you just talked about, is that actually further harmed? Is this just a neutral then in your opinion?

Twila Brase:

Well, price controls, if price controls are really imposed, price controls leads to limited supply. So it decreases supply. The companies will decide which ones that they can win on. They might not even start another medication. It’s hard to say what they will do. They’ll deal with the situation. And so if it is price controls and if it is limited supply, we as patients will just see less things available, less innovation. I’m really for pharmaceutical products that are great and that are really working in people’s lives, but also we need affordability. And there are lots of products that people shouldn’t even be taking, but they put them out there and they don’t really work that well, but the insurance company will pay for it. And so that’s when they get, this whole area just needs to be flipped back to free market. And we need the doctors to be able to prescribe things that make sense and we need to bring affordability back. And so there’s a lot of problems in this whole area, but unless you bring back a free market and freedom, I don’t really think you’re going to solve them.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. I agree with you. You got a minute and a half before the program closes. Lay out. Just describe what you are pushing toward. Describe a little bit more free enterprise and this whole cash payment and that kind of stuff. That ought to be

Twila Brase:

Well, cash solves everything. And because cash brings back transparency, it brings prices down to the pocketbook, it has, it brings back conversations, frank conversations. It takes all the third party payers out. It takes the government out. And then we have really, what do people want and what are people offering? And if somebody wants something new that’s going to pop up somebody who will offer it and what’s an affordable price for it? And the market decides these sort of things. And then there’s charity. It will bring back charity. Medicaid is not charitable. It doesn’t even feel charitable. And so real charity, I had a doctor tell me that if there was more margin in their day and in their money supply, that they’re not given to third party payers just trying to survive, right? They would have the ability to be charitable, which is what they want to do. And so the government has taken out Charitability by imposing all these third party fingers and hands and regulations and everything else into the industry. So when I say the mission of medicine has been taken over by the business of healthcare, we’ve taken out the mission, we’ve taken out the charitability, we’ve taken out the affordability by giving it all to a business that’s just using the patient and the doctor for their own purposes.

Sam Rohrer:

Twila Brase, you did a great job of putting that all together very succinctly. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us today. Again, that was Twila Brase. She has a website@cchfreedom.org. All the things that we’ve talked about from real ID to drug costs to Medicare and what’s involved to cash payment, all of those kind of things you can find on the website, encourage you to go there. Thanks for being with us today. And again, this program and a transcript of it can be found very easily at Stand in the Gap radio.com or on our app at Stand In the Gap. See you back here tomorrow.