From Twisted Truth to Wild Weather

From Twisted Truth to Wild Weather

July 21, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Michael Snyder

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/21/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to another edition of Stand In the Gap today. And as I often say on this program, the intensity and the frequency of notable events augmented by instantaneous global communications. Well, what’s it doing? Well, it’s generating for one thing, an overload of data that’s far too great for any single person to observe and digest. And as I sit and I put these together, these programs, I’m researching things, there’s just simply too much to get ahold of and that’s the way it’s for all of us. Then the overload, as we’ve talked about before, some degrees it it’s by design. On the other hand, it’s a natural consequence of man-centered technology gains the internet and what we hold in our hand makes that communication immediate. Right now, since the days of the COVID bio weapon assault on the world since those days, we’ve all witnessed the orchestration and the total control exercised across.

I’m going to say the entirety of our communication systems. We’ve all seen and many listening to me, including ourselves here, have personally experienced the literal silencing of truth and truth tellers. We’ve seen the arrogant promulgation of carefully crafted deception and propaganda that is exploding now increasingly through the integration of artificial intelligence. The result is that people either consciously or unconsciously, we tune out most of these things because we can’t handle them. And that brings well sometimes benefits and sometimes downsides, but this is the reality of where we are. So those of us who fear God, those of us who embrace the authority of scripture must continually keep recalibrating our minds and our hearts through God’s word and godly counsel to stay aware of what’s taking place. Now that being said, I’ve asked Michael Snyder, attorney economist, investigative journalist and publisher of the Economic Collapse Blog, and the most important news to join me again for some commentary on three leading issues which I’ve created great confusion, a distortion of truth. They’ve been around for a while, they’re going to continue to stay around for a while, but it’s also leading to, as I am finding severely wounded credibility on the parts of many people and Michael’s carefully written about each of these three. So the title I’ve chosen to frame today’s program is Simply This, from Twisted Truth to Wild Weather. Michael, welcome back to the program. Thanks for being back with me.

Michael Snyder:

Oh, it was great to be on with you today, Sam

Sam Rohrer:

Michael in this segment here. You were with me about a month ago. We focused then on primarily on matters of, so that’s not where we’re going to go and highlight so much today, except that I must mention this that just the other day, the president in a report to the house faith team, I’d listened to a couple of times to hear this exactly, but this is what he said. He made a statement that the American economy has never been greater, and he said business hiring has never been higher. And he said that inflation is dead. That really caught my mind if the inflation is dead. But then June’s inflation numbers came out right after that indicating a major spike in inflation likely due to the impacts of perhaps tariffs now showing up. But here’s my point, Michael, for the president to say that inflation is dead flies in the face of everyone listening right now when they go to buy food and everyday type of items because they know that inflation’s not dead.

Prices are still going up. In the next segment, we’re going to talk about the Epstein file situation as well as one day the list of pedophiles will be released to the next, where there is no list in the entire matter was always a hoax. These kinds of statements, Michael, and 180 degree turns is an issue. How should truth telling people how should they think and respond in such times when I’m referring to as days of deception, I’m saying that DAZE days, days of deception. And how do you as a God-fearing investigative journalist navigate such times?

Michael Snyder:

It’s very difficult, Sam, because everyone has an agenda these days. The Republicans have an agenda, the Democrats have an agenda. The corporate media has an agenda. The pharmaceutical companies have an agenda. Literally everyone that’s promoting a message has an agenda and many of those that are promoting their agendas are not afraid to use lies or deception as tools to further that agenda. And what makes things even more kind of toxic is that we live in a society today where so many people are ripe for deception because they want to believe certain things or they want to believe a particular, whether it’s a political perspective or religious perspective, whatever it is, but they want to believe what they’re being told by whatever sources it is. And so they’re right for deception. So it’s very, very hard often to know who to trust to separate the truth from fiction.

But I see everything through the lens of scripture in particular. I focus on the end times and the Bible characterizes the end times as a time of great. We know the prophetic scriptures and so we need to understand and realize that, that we are in an environment of deception. I believe that it will intensify that we’re seeing so much confusion now and I believe there will be greater confusion ahead of us. And so we need to fix our eyes on Jesus. We need to fix our focus on scripture. And whenever we are confused or are wondering, well, what should we believe? Turn to scripture and let that be the baseline, let that be the rock, the foundation and then seek God and ask for his guidance and direction. Because Sam, I’ll be honest, it is not easy to navigate it through this environment because things are crazy.

Sam Rohrer:

Michael, your answer to that, I mean, I knew generally where you were going because that’s the same way I am. I think back in these days, Michael, to the days of New Testament, we would think that if we’re in days of deception now were those people back there in days when there was no deception. Answer is no. I think even of the original scripture tells us about the Berean, that when they would hear certain things from the Greek philosophers, the communicators of their day and all of that, they would hear and then they would say, Hmm, let’s go back. And they would gather together and then counsel with each other and in comparison of scripture, they would go down through to consider whether or not what they heard was true. Michael, that’s to some degree what I’d like to do with you on the program and on our regular standard and up-to-date type programs that we do for that reason.

But ladies and gentlemen, as Michael said, we have to be recalibrated daily with fixing on the authority of scripture and looking at a biblical worldview about which we talk always on this program about how to view that which we are seeing because we know we are in days of deception, truth has fallen on the street. And because of that, those of us who fear God must some cases develop even new skills about how to take things regularly. Back to the word of God, we come back, we’re going to go into one of these areas that’s out there that’s right now, it’s confusing a lot of people, is this matter of Epstein? I’m calling it the Epstein Surprise. We’ll talk about that because it’s there. How do we think about it? How do we respond to it? If you’re just joining me right now, our theme is this from Twisted Truth to Wild Weather, and my special guest again is Michael Snyder.

He is an investigative journalist. He’s an author of a numerous number of books. He’s got two websites, Michael T. Snyder dot substack.com, the economic collapse blog is another one.com. You can find things there, but he’s an independent journalist and so he depends on people’s support just like we do on this program. So if you are benefited by it, it’s not a lot the subscription to his, but not a lot that it may be something you’d want to consider just as I ask all of you to do, not forget us in your prayer and your finances as well, it’s important. But in our past, we’re looking at three issues today, I’ll tell you where we’re going to go. Epstein issue, we’re going to talk about now it’s in the news, we’re going to talk about the president’s and the next issue or next segment, I’m going to say the confusing 50 day Russian warning that was given.

That’s another one that’s there and it’s unfolding. And then we’re going to talk about the wild weather. Alright, so that’s where we’re going to go here. Now, in our past, the American people have been subjected to, I’m going to say to a number of mind the bending events, other words to describe it, but mind bending events where something incredible happened, A lie then was perpetrated by government to bring about decisions and legislation in almost every case that otherwise would have never happened. And people believed it, it occurred and then it stuck. One is the surprise of Pearl Harbor, how that came about. Another is the assassination of JFK and those files have now been released, the perpetrators and the strategy behind nine 11, that’s another one. The Russian hoax, that’s another one. COVID, that’s a recent one. Well now it’s the Epstein files. Well that once were but appeared to be no longer in that case, the criminals and pedophiles victimizing underage young people sufficient to put Ghislaine Maxwell in prison for 20 years as the result of multiple grand juries convened to consider her issue.

And that the fact that, well, now if it’s not true, then she’s innocent and needs to be released and there is no justice to be done to the perpetrators because there were none according to this last statement. Therefore, there’s no victims. And to this it’s been said that that entire issue was made up by the attorneys for the victims. There weren’t any victims. It wasn’t real, it was all made up and therefore Maxwell’s innocent. So there’s no issue. So move on. Now, frankly, this is truly mind bending and it’s not just for me, it’s for everyone because you’re all listening and a part of that, Michael, you’ve written on this particular issue several times further updating as more information kind of comes along. But in short, here’s my question to you. In short, how should we look at this unfolding Epstein turn of events event?

Michael Snyder:

Well, I think we need to take a step back and look at it from a broader perspective because this is huge. The entire country is talking about it. And to me and to tens of millions of Americans, the legitimacy of our system of judgment is hanging in the balance. Because for years and years and years, we’ve heard about this giant sex trapping King case. There’s these pedophiles, these very powerful men, and there were all these victims and we’ve been hearing about all these years and then we were promised, promised throughout the campaign for months, once the administration began, oh, the files are going to all be released, it’s all going to come out. You’re finally going to get justice. And now we’re being told, oh, you’re going to get nothing and just forget about it. No, that’s not acceptable. Ultimately, we need a resolution for the good of the country, release the information. If there was nothing there, if it was a hoax, if whatever, we’ll then prove that, release the files, show that, and then we can move on. Or alternatively, if there is something there which most of the country believes there is, then we need to deal with that. And we need to hold the pedophiles, the very powerful men who are abusing girls accountable.

And we’ve got a situation where there have been court cases where we had one of Epstein’s victims. She took Prince Andrew to court and it was very quietly settled out of court for millions of dollars. So why is Prince Andrew paying out millions of dollars if nothing happened? Then there was another case where there were eight victims of Epstein who claimed they were sex trafficked to Epstein and many of his powerful friends, the case was brought against JP Morgan Chase, the largest bank in the United States and the largest bank in Germany, Deutsche Bank because they had very deep ties with Epstein, which I’ve documented in my article that I did on this. But that was settled out of case Sam JP Morgan Chase agreed to pay $290 million to Epstein’s accusers and Deutsche Bank agreed to pay $75 million. So this was a hoax. Why are these big, giant, too big to fail banks paying out vast amounts, millions and millions of dollars for something that couldn’t be proven?

It’s because in these cases it could be proven. Of course, Alan Dershowitz has come out and he said, I know all the names. He was intimately involved in the case and he knows that it’s not a hoax. I mean, come on. There is obviously something there and the American people deserve to know the truth. And so what is going on? Ultimately, we don’t know all the details. Who is guilty? Who is not guilty? But even if the files that they have been corrupted, of course there’s certainly a possibility that the Democrats could have taken things out, added things to the files, altered the files. Well, if that’s the case, well what we need, Sam, what we really need is a new investigation. Appoint a special counsel, launch an completely new investigation, interview the accusers, those that are still alive, those that haven’t been killed, go back and go to Epstein’s Island, start digging around and find the truth. Because to me, this is a pivotal moment in terms of our entire system of governance, in terms of the entire legitimacy of our system of justice.

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, credibility, as I mentioned earlier, is hanging. I believe it’s been damaged, it’s already been damaged, but the credibility of those in government, the credibility through COVID has been obviously damaged Everything that I mentioned. So here, let me go further on that. In short, this matter is either, it’s either Epstein, the whole Epstein thing is either a total hoax as the president is now saying, he said it’s a total hoax. It’s not true and manufactured by the Democrats, just like the Russian hoax thing was. So this is a hoax and therefore everyone indicted as of necessity, therefore they are innocent or we’re in the midst of a grand coverup with incredibly dangerous implications. It can’t be both. And that’s what you’re just saying. Now, even Speaker house, speaker Mike Johnson just finally came out and is demanding transparency, whatever that means, but he’s demanding transparency from the White House after house Republicans voted to not permit Ghislaine Maxwell to testify before Congress. That was an interesting thing there. It was last week that it happened. But from your perspective, Michael, what are the implications? What are the implications we’re facing as a nation and what’s at stake here from perspective?

Michael Snyder:

Yeah, if we don’t get transparency, if we don’t get to the bottom of this, people are going to have doubts. Why is this being covered up? What really happened? Who are the powerful men that got off scott free? And there’s going to be rampant speculation. And the implication politically is it’s going to hurt President Trump and the Republicans, it already is. Polling has already shown it’s hurting them. And we get to the midterm elections and the Democrats are already pounding the drum on this, and they already forced a vote in Congress because they smell blood in the water. And this whole thing, if it’s bottled up, it’s only going to help the Democrats big time. In fact, this is one of the biggest political mistakes, errors, fumbles that I’ve ever seen in my entire life, just from a political point of view. But ultimately, Maxwell, get her in front of Congress and have her testify and let her tell her story.

And Epstein’s victims, get them in front of Congress, let them tell their story to the entire world, those that are still alive, those that haven’t been killed, but let’s get the people and let’s get everybody in front of Congress. Let’s launch a new investigation and let’s get to the bottom of this. And that’s actually for those that want Trump to do well through this whole thing. That’s the best thing that could happen for Trump potentially, is to clear the air on this, get the truth out there, and then this won’t be hanging over Trump all the way up to the midterm elections. And if we get to the midterm elections and we still don’t have transparency, it’s going to be really bad for Republicans.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, ultimately, Michael, just think about it, ladies and gentlemen. When truth falls in the street, as Bible says, what happens, there is no justice. That’s what we’re it is the ability to believe that justice will be done When that disappears, well, lawlessness emerges and people begin to do what is right in their own eyes. And what does that speak to? What time of life and history of the world did we mount? That was when we come back. We’re going to move from there now to this confusing 50 day Russian warning. Okay, Michael, let’s move to another issue that I’m putting that mind bending description I used earlier of things that are happening that are just hard to deal with another one because it’s in this area, the president’s announcement pronouncement just some days ago here that inflation is dead. And then right after they came in, release, government release, that inflation in fact is not dead and actually just spiked in June to Epstein and his pedophile ring being exposed and seeing justice done, denial that there never was an issue.

And it’s all a hoax just we talked about in the last segment, but there’s another one that just occurred in its regard to Ukraine and Russia and the president’s highly anticipated, highly telegraphed threat that he said he was going to levy against Russia, which became a 50 day warning, but was accompanied with promises made to supply Ukraine with vast amounts of US weapons to use against Russia when not long ago, Ukraine’s, Vladimir Zelensky, we remember his performance in the White House and the president has sailed a number of times about being a criminal and all that kind of thing, really demeaned him. Totally. And said that not one more dollar would go to Ukraine. Alright, so we have multiple circumstances, absolutely not. And then all of a sudden it changes. So you’ve written on this one about the Russian threat. So let’s go here. The Russian Ukraine war has been active officially, although it started before, but the active invasion, their portion since 2022. And there have been many twists and turns in that time. We all know that you’ve written about them a number of times, but what is your take now on this current 50 day warning to Russia by the president where it’s accompanied in the same statement with the promise to provide the most significant weaponry to Ukraine for use against Russia by selling the weapons to NATO members and have them deliver the weapons to Ukraine. This is quite an unexpected, put it that way. What are your thoughts on this?

Michael Snyder:

This is extremely alarming to me, Sam. During the election, Trump talked about we’re going to have peace with Russia. And I was like, yes, yes, let’s have peace with Russia as opposed to the Biden administration didn’t even want to talk to Russia. So I was like, this is great. We’re going to talk to Russia, we’re going to try to have peace. And I thought that’s exactly what we need to do. But I cautioned in my articles, I said, look, this isn’t going to be easy. It’s going to require a tremendous amount of diplomatic finesse. So it’s very important that Trump not threaten Russia, not try to issue ultimatums, this sort of thing because Russians don’t respond to threats. They’ve already been threatened over and over again by the Biden administration, by Europe. That’s not going to work. But we need to get together, get to the table and talk.

And the Russians are not against peace, but however, in fact, the Russians have said, okay, this is what we want to end the war. Now are they asking for too much? Yeah, in my personal opinion, they’re asking for too much. And so I think that’s a legitimate argument that the Russians are asking for too much. But the Russians have laid out what they want, their conditions for peace. But instead of saying, okay, we need to dig in, we need to try to talk more. President Trump now appears to be losing patience. And he said, okay, you’ve got 50 days in, 50 days from now. If you don’t end the war on our terms essentially, then we’re going to slap tariffs on you and everybody that does business with you, a hundred percent tariffs. And nobody does more business with Russia than China does. So it conceivably will be slapping a hundred percent tariffs on China, which would be disastrous in many different ways.

So that’s very alarming. But then also there’s this giant new weapons package, which we’re being told is the first wave where we’re going to be selling them to the Europeans and the Europeans giving them to the Ukrainians, but they’re US weapons escalating the conflict at a time when we should be trying to deescalate. So this is very alarming. Of course the Russians have been escalating as well, but I fear that we’re blowing the window of opportunity that we had, Sam, and I believe it’s a very narrow window of opportunity to try to make peace with the Russians. And where now Trump seems to be siding with Lindsey Graham and other members of Congress, and then of course our European allies, the Warhawks that want conflict with Russia, that want to try to win this thing that are, in my view, bringing us dangerously close to the kinetic phase of World War iii. So this very, this pivot is very alarming to me.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, now let’s go here on it. You’ve said, and I agree, that threats against Putin have not worked, sanctions have not worked. Now there are some that I have read who have said, well, but this is just a clever deal making because in reality the president knows that we can’t sanction Russia because that’s already been done and it hasn’t worked. We know that you just can’t put tariffs on the people who do business with Russia because there’s already a deal with China and there’s already a deal. So those aren’t real, which means then the president used a word about sending potentially weapons. But on the other hand, these are new weapons. So both are on the table.

Tony, the ETH secretary of Defense has said, already said, we don’t have any more excess weapons because we’ve already sent them and they’re all gone. So now you have multiple things on the table, sanctions, but you’re not going to do sanctions weapons. But then you got a back door because well, we don’t really have any surplus, excess weapons. And so all of these things are out there as confusion, and some are saying even like this, providing us weapons to Ukraine by selling NATO members, US made weapons, fulfills the president’s promise not to directly provide weapons to Ukraine, but it’s pretty close to not subsidize NATO because now we’ve gotten them to agree to begin buying things even though those who know that NATO members don’t have the money and they get the money from the International Monetary Fund, which is funded by US dollars. So it’s kind of like what in the world’s going on? So some are saying this type of arrangement that the president is taking where everybody’s off balance is actually a very clever way of deal making. But on the other hand, alright, on the other hand, so what are the implications to this type of an approach in conducting foreign policy? What are your thoughts?

Michael Snyder:

Yeah. Well, ultimately it is a shift in the direction of war. And the big picture is we want to avoid World War III because for decades, our military people have been conducting scenarios of, okay, there’s a conflict in Ukraine, and then it blows up and then it results in a nuclear war. And now we’re looking at this type of situation for real. And so the fact that now we’re seeing an escalation, very, very alarming to me. But President Trump’s in a tough spot because the Russians feel like time is on their side because they’re winning in Ukraine, their troops are moving forward slowly but surely gobbling up more territory, more territory, and the Ukrainian forces are getting worn down. They’re running out of men to draft and throw into the conflict. And so the Russians figure, well, if they don’t agree to our demands now, we’ll just keep moving forward until we’ve eventually achieved our goals. So the Russians don’t feel pressure to compromise, although they should because it’s also in their interest to avoid World War III as well. So President Trump is saying, Hey, look, if a slow negotiating approach, while the Russians are just moving forward, the Russians have the upper hand, so let’s escalate to deescalate is kind of the phrase they’ve used. But that’s a very dangerous game because when you escalate, well, then the Russians escalate, then we have to escalate again. Well, every step brings us closer to the unthinkable,

Sam Rohrer:

And it does. And we got about a minute left in this segment, Michael. I mean these things that we’re talking about, we do not have all of the facts. Everybody’s in the same boat. What is real, what is not real? What is true, what is not true? But one thing we do know, the Lord is in control. We know that he’s working out his plan. And the other thing that reminds me and your thoughts on it is just that we are told by scripturally to pray for those in authority. And that’s where I am back to. We need to pray for all of those who were there that they would do the Lord’s will, even if they don’t even know the Lord or fear the Lord, right?

Michael Snyder:

I completely agree. We need to be in prayer for President Trump. And if I was sitting in his chair, my number one consideration would be to do whatever it takes to avoid a nuclear war. That’s consideration number one in my view. And hopefully that will be consideration number one for President Trump. Okay,

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen. Okay, those are some thoughts there. We’ve dealt with two issues so far. When we come back after this break coming up here in just a moment, we’ll move to the weather. And I don’t know where you are living, but many, many, many places in this country have been hit by major floods. Some cases the ground is shaking. Some cases it’s still dry, believe it or not, it’s drought, but weather. So we’re going to go to the weather, and I want to talk to Michael Snyder, my guest today, but some of what he’s written an article and some of the things that have been said because this is also on the table. What do we think and what should we think about what we are seeing with the weather? Okay, Michael, let’s go into our final segment here just a few days ago. We’re actually in the midst of it and probably are going to remain there the way it looks for weeks, maybe months to come.

But a few days ago, the meteorologist for W-P-L-G-T-V is designated in his report one day he called it the year of the flood so far. And because he said so far in 2025, the National Weather Service offices around the country have issued more flood warnings, not watches, flood warnings, meaning it was imminent and it happened flood warnings than any other year on record dating back to 1986. And without doubt, even without the floods, I’m saying even without the floods, the weather, it’s been wild with the floods, it’s historic. But is this just a blip in a normal variation in weather conditions or is there more that we should consider? So here’s the question. In that recent article on the floods, you wrote this in part, you said this all throughout history there have always been floods. In fact, there have been times when particular areas have been flooded quite dramatically, but we have never seen anything quite like this. So here’s the first question. How should God fearing people, those who wanting the truth, those that were interested in the things we’ve already talked about, how should we, they interpret not just the floods but the entirety of wild weather? Put it that way because you’ve been writing much about it, but this is broader even than just the floods, but go where you want to on that question.

Michael Snyder:

To me, this is part of the end time scenario where we see a picture in the book of Revelation and throughout the prophetic scriptures of the elements just kind of going wild and wild certainly describes what we’ve been seeing in the United States here just recently where we had a 1000 year storm in Texas and a thousand year storm in North Carolina, a thousand year storm in New Mexico and a thousand year storm in Illinois. And those four 1000 year storms collectively produced 12 1000 year floods within a period of three days. Now even season meteorologists were completely taken aback by that. And AccuWeather produced an article, which the title of the article by AccuWeather. Now this is AccuWeather, not sensationalist, this is about as uns sensationalist as you’re going to get when you’re talking about AccuWeather. But the title of their article was How did we get a dozen a thousand year Floods in three Days?

And so they were trying to explain all this because it’s so unusual. And then following that in Vermont, on July 10th, the town of Sutton, Vermont was hit by biblical flooding. That was the term used in the article that I quoted Biblical flooding on July 10th in the town of Sutton, Vermont for the third year in a row on that exact date on July 10th. So that’s really weird on the exact same date for three years in a row. But that was in Vermont. And then following that in New York and New Jersey where we saw on Monday, we saw just terrible flooding. In fact, it was the second wettest hour where we had two inches of rain fall in New York City in an hour, the second wettest hour ever recorded in New York City. And we had terrible flooding in the New York subways where literally water was rushing in and pouring into the subway cars in New Jersey, there were a couple people died in New Jersey, the governor declared a state of emergency.

And so my point is, yeah, in the past we’ve, we had that one year where flooding on the Mississippi River was really bad. We’ve had isolated to particular areas where we’ve seen flooding before, but literally, and we’re being hit in every part of the country, west, east, north, south, all over the map. We’re seeing historic and tremendous flooding. And so what does all this mean? What’s the bigger picture? That’s something to think about. But I would like for people to consider when you look at the scriptures and God uses flooding as a tool, as a judgment, as a wake up call, as a warning, we see that it’s a theme throughout the scriptures. Could God be trying to get our attention in some way? I don’t know the answer to that, but I think it is a question that we should consider because what we are witnessing is not even close to normal.

Sam Rohrer:

And Michael, I’m glad you went there because that is something that I have mentioned before. You and I have chatted about it, but it is when these kinds of things occur, what then is the response? And it makes me think of the fact that in scripture, because God is not in any of the picture of anything that we’re seeing, the earthquakes, the ground rumbling, the potential volcanoes, the ring of fire that you’ve written about. I mean, it’s all those kinds of things. Flooding has occurred all around the world. China’s had massive flooding. Italy’s had massive flooding. So it’s not limited to here. That’s something also, all of these things that God has not mentioned in any of them either in the solutions or in the cause, which to me is extraordinarily significant. It makes me think this Michael of that throughout scripture, I haven’t found that God turned over control of the weather to the devil.

Now man is tampering with the weather and that is clear. But God causes it to rain. He causes rain to be withheld. Scripture says that he has his way in the whirlwind, that’s the tornado. We know scripturally that the earth is groaning due to the curse of sin as it awaits the Lord’s return. That’s the earthquakes and the volcano. All these things that are happening, we know these things from scripture. So Michael, then it makes me think of the promised second Chronicles seven 14 where people quote it often if my people who are called by name, humble themselves, but they don’t go to the verse before where God answers the prayer of Solomon and he says, I hear you when you call, but when you see me withhold reign or cause these things weather wise to occur, when you see me do these things, then if my people will humble themselves and pray. So there seems to be a direct connection. So Michael, go just a little bit further as we get close to the end here again on the response to all of the things that we’re talking about, because that makes all the difference in the world how we respond, doesn’t it?

Michael Snyder:

Yeah. Ultimately national repentance, I think that’s what God wants. And I believe he’s warning us in a multitude of different ways through preachers in the pulpits to things happening, whatever it is. But I think ultimately the response and what we should want as a nation is national repentance. One thing you didn’t mention is fires. That’s something to consider as well, because we’ve had the flooding, but then the number of wildfires

Sam Rohrer:

So

Michael Snyder:

Far this year has more than doubled from last year started in January with the worst wildfire disaster in US history there in California where it seemed like the whole state was on fire. Certainly much of Southern California for almost the entire month of January. And it’s just continued. Now. We’ve had the horrible fires in the Grand Canyon area, but so many things are going wrong. But ultimately the response on our part should be repentance, national repentance. And to me, something I was meditating on this morning, Sam, is that ultimately in the court of law, the evidence of guilt is presented before a final judgment is rendered. And I think in so many ways in our society with the exposures, the scandals, everything that’s going on, guilt is being demonstrated in one way is that I believe God allowed Roe versus Wade to be repealed, to see how we would respond.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, and Mike, unfortunately, we’re out of time. Mike, we’re out of time, ladies time. Gentlemen, thank you for being with us today. But that is the question, how are we interpreted these things? Do we look to government for an answer or do we go to scripture and say, God, what are you saying? That’s what we should be doing.