Compelling Evidence: Too Much to Ignore
August 4, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: J.R. McGee
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/04/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also the first Monday in August. The summer is flying fast, isn’t it ladies and gentlemen? At least it is for me, but it seems like it’s just moving so quickly. 2025 has been, by all considerations, thus far it’s been historic in many respects, politically, financially, things that have happened has been historic geopolitically and frankly, even in the weather. For instance, this year has been designated as the year of the floods. Why? Well, there’s been over 17 1000 year floods that have occurred just in the United States alone, let alone the rest of the world. And we’ve commented on some of this over the last weeks, but that’s a big deal over the weekend. Then you will note, and you probably saw a volcano that has sat dormant for 600 years, just erupted in Indonesia, spewing ash, 11 miles wow, up into the air.
And that followed an 8.8 earthquake in eastern Russia was the fifth largest earthquake, fifth or sixth largest earthquake depending ever recorded. That sparking what many believe a cascade of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions around the world. And it’s continuing even as we speak. And all the while fires, which we haven’t heard much about, fires of historic proportion as they are saying are burning here, out of control in the United States and Canada and elsewhere. The coverage of these is literally being crowded out by the news of other, more unique perhaps in devastating weather events. But the evidence of something big underway doesn’t start or stop with the weather. And when considered with other things, it becomes noteworthy. And then for those with eyes to see this evidence, this broader evidence is eye opening and it’s compelling. And today, JR McGee, military strategist and instructor of, I’m going to say our military’s finest Delta Force Navy Seals and founder of Extreme Leadership Group, he deals in matters of intelligence and counter-terrorism JR joins me again today for our monthly review of what we consider the most significant global geopolitical and prophetical issues. We weave them together. The title I’ve chosen for today’s program is this Compelling evidence, too much to ignore, compelling evidence, too much to ignore. And with that welcome JR.
JR McGee:
Sam, it’s a pleasure to be with you and our audience and I wish everyone out there a godly, weak and good fortune in all these things that are coming to pass.
Sam Rohrer:
Amen to that. And jar, let’s get right in. We have a lot to go over today. We always do. We talk about there’s not enough time and that’s always a challenge, but let’s get into it before we talk further of compelling weather evidence and intel and military from that perspective, let alone a biblical and prophetical perspective, which always weaves these things together. From your perspective, what does an increase in major events like we’re seeing a rush to war or increasingly devastating weather events and maybe overlapping with economic changes driven by global debt and unsustainable amounts like that we’re seeing as a national security observer. What does this say to you, if anything,
JR McGee:
Sam? The only thing constant in our world is change and there’s always change. Sometimes the change is minor, sometimes it’s dramatic, but we’re seeing change across the board. It’s not unusual to see major change in any one area and maybe not even major change in two or three areas. But when you see major dramatic change in almost every area, you have to pay attention to it because something is going on and something unusual is going on that we clearly need to pay attention to.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, so just by the fact that it’s not normal, you can’t find a pattern in history or all these things you’re saying, the coming together, the convergence, we would say that alone causes observers to sit back and say, wait a minute, let’s look a little bit closer. That’s what you’re saying, right?
JR McGee:
Absolutely.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. Now let’s go on to the weather side. I set up a few things there, but Russia had that 8.8 on the Richter Scale earthquake last Tuesday major. Some have said that it has awakened the entire ring of fire, that volcanic action, that area, that fault lines that go on eastern Asia up to the Japan and Korea up then around Alaska and then down our east coast, our west coast rather. But to some saying it’s actually awakened all of that. But just since then, there’ve been other earthquakes. There’ve been two major volcanic eruptions. Earthquakes have occurred on our west coast. They’ve occurred in the middle of the United States along the New Madrid fault line and they actually occurred at 3.0 in New Jersey, but it’s also happened down in the Antarctic zone as well. Plus there’s a thousand earthquakes that happened just in July around Mount Rainier and around Yellowstone, both of which are super volcanoes. So this appears to be linked from a scientific perspective. Alright, let me just come back here. What are your weather observations and the compelling evidence that we see or may see from what is occurring with these weather events?
JR McGee:
Well, Sam, the activity in Russia’s getting a lot of news and it’s crowding out a lot of the other news, but things are happening all over the world. They’re just this week there’s been an extremely rare snowfall in Australia with up to 16 inches of snow and heavy rains and they haven’t seen that level of snow there in decades. In fact, no snow in over 10 years. And now they’ve got a massive amount of snow. Just this week, hurricane force winds have hit the UK and Scotland and Ireland, 90 mile an hour winds that have just disrupted all kinds of things. And that hasn’t made very much of the news. Just this week there was a record long lightning bolt that was captured here in the United States over 515 mile long lightning bolt. Now I’m an electronics engineer. The power that it takes to generate an electric arc that long is almost incalculable. And like you said, there’s two volcanoes that have erupted in the cam check of Peninsula and the earthquakes going on in Mount Rainier all over the world. And it’s compelling that these things are happening where it’s not unusual to see them happen. Every now and then, this is just in the last week, there is something statistically significant about the increase in the number and the increase in severity. Sam, we have to pay attention to this stuff.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, so we’re mentioning some of this we’re calling compelling evidence and there’s just simply too much information that’s in our news cycle to be aware of all of these things. So we’re mentioning these things as we walk through because the result is we don’t want to ignore them. What message does it deliver? Should we be looking, should we be considering? The answer would be say, yes, we should, but what should we consider? We’ll work that out as we go through the program. Stay with us When we come back, we’ll look at this area of not just weather things but wars and rumors of wars of which there’re again, many, many, and we’ll go down through a few selected ones. Welcome aboard. My guest today is JR McGee. He’s generally together once a month as we take a look at generally the larger issues that are occurring around the world from a geopolitical perspective.
Jr’s background is that of national intelligence and military purposes. He’s a trainer of our best guys. And so he comes from that perspective, but he also has a knowledge of scripture and biblical prophecy, which is important because on this program we try to take on this daily standard gap today program headline news primarily or cultural events as they are trending, and then evaluate them from a biblical worldview perspective. But you cannot look at the news of the day or headlines without looking through the filter of biblical prophecy. And we’ve covered that many, many times. So I’m just going to let that there. But anyways, we’re on that path here and the title have chosen is compelling evidence too much to ignore and really taking the perspective of looking at the big events of which we just talked about big weather events. And then there are big war rumors of war events we’ll talk about next.
And then there are other big events of national alliance, coalitions of nations that are developing and all of those things being precipitated by economic changes and all of that. And we’re going to conclude by bringing a resolve to it of saying when the end of this, who’s in control. So that’s where we’re going to go into roadmaps to stay with us as we walk down through that. But Jr, we talked in the last segment a little bit about the weather and you mentioned from your perspective of when so many things begin to happen on so many fronts that from whether it be a statistical perspective, an historical perspective, or a security perspective, anybody who’s really watching needs to back up and saying, wait a minute, something as unusual, and then take a look at it. So you set that up in that way. Now as we witnessed historic weather occurrences and increases in earthquakes and volcanic actions in diverse places, which is what scripture says it means globally.
It’s not just one area. We’re of course reminded that scripture says that this will occur as the Earth scripture says again begins to groan due to the curse of sin under which the creation prevail. Scripture tells us awaiting the return of Christ. That’s how it all things fit together biblically. But there’s also the area of increasing wars and rumors of wars, particularly as Jesus four tells in Matthew 24 and all of that. So here’s your wide open space here. When you look around and see what’s taking place to you, what are the most significant, I’m going to say areas of war or rumors of war that you find to be most compelling evidence that we’re in the end days?
JR McGee:
Sam, you and I have talked a lot about this specific issue on several different shows. I think the audience is very aware of just how concerned I am about China and China’s growing ability to dominate electronically and for the information warfare spectrum. But Russia is also dead set on reconstituting what was once known as the Warsaw Pact. Russia wants to put that back together. The Bible tells us clearly that the Russian Federation is going to be the big alliance with Iran and other countries in the Middle East against Israel. So I know beyond a shadow of a doubt prophetically and from a perspective of activity that’s occurring today, Russia is handling these adversities very well. They’ve resisted Trump’s advances towards settling this thing with Ukraine. They’re in a war of attrition, which means they think that they can simply outlast Ukraine, but Putin understands he has got to have a win in this.
He can’t settle for a draw politically or economically, he’s got to have a win. And if you look, the ruble is down slightly, the price of oil is up slightly, but overall Russia is doing much better in all of this than we thought. But then again, so is Ukraine, but it’s bigger than that. You’ve got India that’s becoming a very dominant player both technologically and financially on the world stage, and they’re beginning to put some of their weight forward in several different areas that affect the United States. And we’re working very hard to create an alliance with India. But at the same time, the administration is using threats and force to position India to take steps that India doesn’t necessarily want to do. For example, India is one of the largest purchasers of oil from Russia, and that’s what drives a lot of their economy. And the administration’s trying to stop India from buying that.
Well this weekend India said, no, we we’re still going to buy that. However, there’s several oil tankers that are at anchor right now because India is not allowing them to offload. So that’s also in play. You’ve got several other Asian countries that are beginning to flare up. This is becoming worldwide. It’s not just China, Russia and the Middle East. It’s becoming more metastasized. In fact, Europe is trying to get involved in the game far too late and far too little. But for example, France and the UK are trying to put heavy pressure on Israel to actually support and save Hamas. I never thought that I would see our European allies try to protect a terrorist organization that has murdered innocent people. That’s what we see. And we even see large portions of the United States on the left trying to support a terrorist organization that routinely murders people and starves people.
It is mind boggling to see how all of these things are playing together. And believe it or not, they’re not isolated. They are all connected. They’re all connected financially, they’re all connected technologically. Every one of these countries is jockeying for position and how they’re going to be positioned and in aligned with the new coming world order. Everyone sees that this is happening and everyone wants to get the best seat at the table that they can. These things are not happening in isolation, Sam. They are happening in coordination. Most people can’t see where that coordination is coming from. You and I both know that ultimately it’s spiritual. This is all part of God’s plan, but man thinks that they are superior and can work their way through all of this and play it out. But just creating a lot of chaos and a lot of confusion and the stability that we’ve known since the end of World War II, up until probably the end of the 21st century, 1999, that’s gone. And I don’t think we’re going to see that again for a long time.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, I agree with that, JR. And so you basically laid it out no matter where you look, you would describe as everything basically as to some one degree or another transition. Of course, we’ve been hearing the word about new world orders since the days after World War II and George Bush, the first in his pronouncements on the floor that a new world order was going to come to Donald Trump talking about a world order and the BRICS nations talking about a world order and the World economic Forum during COVID day saying that great reset was going to come. It’s very, very clear that the world and the world’s leaders are, as you’re saying, aligning themselves for however they think is going to put them in the best position for whatever this world order will be. And in the midst of this, they’re threatening each other, rumors of wars. Now, let’s go back here if we can to the Middle East, China, Taiwan, you and I have talked about this potential for a long time, yet it appears that that may be perhaps increasing. And then China’s role in the Middle East with Iran, that is a developing thing. Comment a little bit about back to you started with China. Let’s go back and give us some thoughts on China and the Middle East with Iran, China, Taiwan,
JR McGee:
China continue. Every month, China becomes more aggressive toward Taiwan and they’ve made it very clear they will not settle for anything short of acquiring Taiwan. And I’ve talked to a lot of Americans, even governmental people, military people, academic people, and a lot of them say, why should we care about Taiwan? They’re a country that are way over there. We’re tired of war. We shouldn’t be messing around in that. If China wants it, let them have it. The reason why Taiwan is so ultimately critical is almost all of the chips needed for American technology and rural technology come from Taiwan. Almost 95% of them do without Taiwan. There are no computers, there’s no cell phones, there’s no TVs, there’s no banking, there’s no internet. All of that is controlled by China. Can you imagine having your ultimate adversary control every element of American society? How can you win under those circumstances? And now China is actively working with Iran to reestablish their nuclear program. It’s hard to believe, but China views Iran as the ultimate proxy in both the Middle East and in Europe. Believe it or not, they believe that Iran can play a role to foster their focus and their national security interests into even Europe. And it’s amazing how all this is playing together and playing out. And most people don’t connect the dots. They don’t see how important these things are. But Sam, they’re going to be critical in the coming days.
Sam Rohrer:
And ladies and gentlemen, I hope you get the idea these things are occurring. Everything we’ve said is objectives. It’s there to be seen as believers, though we do understand that the heart of the king is in the hand of the Lord and like rivers of water, God moves those king’s heart and therefore the policies that they make according to God’s ultimate direction, that is a thought the world doesn’t consider. We’re back in just a moment now we move well from weather. We started, we talked a little bit about wars, rumors of wars and how everything is in transition. All the leaders of the world have been talking well for decades about a new order, a new world order, the great reset, whatever you call it. It’s all the same thing. It’s a new governance for the world to which all national leaders have been aligning themselves, positioning themselves, planning some for a long time.
That’s what the United Nations is all about, a new world order. Okay, so that means transition. And clearly JR as you and I are talking here today in the program, these transitionary things, wars, rumors of wars, economic changes, all of those kind of things are all feeding into this development and everybody’s getting in line to position themselves as they think they’re going to come out the winner. But as you’ve stated, and I’ve stated just in the last segment, at the end of the day though, God’s directing their hearts. They don’t know it, but we as believers know it. And that’s a big deal. Now, we’re told in scripture again, we’ve gone here many, many, many times. Matthew 24, where Jesus says, all right, there’s going to be kingdoms, rising kingdoms, falling wars, rumors of wars, there’s going to be earthquakes, pestilence, all the things, some of the things we’ve touched on, and that these things will be evidences that will only in increase in frequency and intensity.
Now, when I think back Jr. When Barack Obama came into office, everybody looked and said, what has happened here? Hope and change was the promise. Well, there wasn’t a whole lot of hope, but there was a lot of change. And I said back really early then on this program, trying to figure out and saying, well, what’s actually happening? I said, you know what? I think God has raised up Barack Obama to prepare the world for his return by helping to facilitate a movement of nations. And in fact, that’s happened because Russia came into the Middle East at that point. You’ve already talked about the role of Russia. And those things began to happen. Joe Biden came along and he was a weak one controlled by other people, and his weakness tended to foster. Some of these other nations are thinking, well, now we can move because there’s no stopping us.
But then Donald Trump comes along. Now he’s not weak, but he goes to the other side and really through threats, I want to talk a bit more about it now, tariff threats. Every nation of the world has had to jump, come back and do something. But now in regard to Russia, so let’s go back here in regard to Russia. In the matter of Ukraine, a week ago when the president was talking to the UK and changed his mandate on Russia and basically said, you arrive at basically our definition of peace with Ukraine or Trump said, the president said, I’m going to impose a 100% secondary tariff on everything that comes out of Russia, primarily oil, which was going to be a threat to China and to India, which you mentioned Lindsey Graham come back and said, oh, well a hundred percent, it’s not enough. Ought to be 500%. So now the stakes are really, really high. Secondary tariffs is a real big deal. I don’t know if that’s ever happened. So here we go. The threats are high, the mandates have been made. It’s causing nations to align. What are your thoughts on some of these threats as a strategy? They’re likely outcome in particularly regarding Russia and the secondary 100% or maybe 500% tariffs on anybody who buys Russian oil. What do you think?
JR McGee:
Well, academically, it’s extremely interesting Politically, it’s a unique strategy. And militarily, it’s dangerous. I’m a firm believer that sanctions don’t do anything other than create animosity and move people away from the US dollar. This week, Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitri Pesco clearly said the same thing. He said, Russia is immune to US sanctions, and they have demonstrated that. But now tariffs are different. Tariffs do work. They’re immediate, they’re visible, and they’re measurable, but they’re also somewhat unstable in that they can be applied and turned off at the drop of a hat. And that makes all of this pretty interesting. Former president, Dmitri Medvedev of Russia came out with some inflammatory rhetoric on this threat of these tariffs. And in response, Donald Trump has moved two ballistic missile submarines off the coast of Russia. Those have consequences. Those are specific actions that move us closer to conflict because the more people begin to escalate this, and the more personal it becomes, the more likely somebody is to make a mistake. And then you’ve got the Deputy Foreign Minister, Soja Raikov has said that most of what we’re seeing out of the United States is performative and politically motivated. And that’s not stated, but it’s echoed in Europe and Asia. A lot of the countries think that this is for show.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, JR under
JR McGee:
Cuts, its political
Sam Rohrer:
JR.
JR McGee:
And it’s effectiveness. Okay,
Sam Rohrer:
Let me throw in there. Because to support that claim that it is political, therefore not serious. The Pentagon I saw this morning just came out and said, well, the submarines didn’t actually move that that was charade, I think was the actual word that was used. Charade, which means maybe they weren’t moved and Russia said, we don’t think that they were so into that kind of a thing. You make statements, but you don’t know whether they’re true or not from a military or strategic perspective. Is that kind of thing dangerous or helpful?
JR McGee:
It can be both Sam and frankly, nobody’s going to tell anybody whether those boomers actually moved or not. The key element that makes them so effective is no one really knows where they are. China is trying to develop a technology where they can detect them and track them. But as of today, those boomers are effective simply because nobody knows where they are. And the very thought that somebody says that they could be moved, the Russians have to take that seriously. And that’s the whole point. It’s not whether or not they moved. It’s what did they do to respond to the possibility that they have moved? And yes, that can be dangerous if people take the wrong perspective or they take it politically or they escalate. That’s how wars start. They start out very gradually and then it happens. All of a sudden, very similar wars occurred just like bankruptcies do. Everybody thinks everything’s okay, it’s okay, it’s okay. And then all of a sudden you cross that Rubicon and that red line and now you’re into it and you can’t back out of it. That’s what makes this ultimately uncomfortable.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, let’s go back here. Let’s talk about the economic part as well because it touches on these east west alliances. We’ve talked much about that the eastern nations of Russia, Iran, North Korea, China, and maybe India as a result of this threat by the president against buying Russian oil as an example, it may actually force India into further alignment with China, not the United States, but all of this is surrounding the US dollar at least it affects the US dollar and these BRICS nations, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and now there’s about 20 other nations that are pretty much a part of it. All of this has at the end of it, their finances are involved in this. It’s what a tariff is. It’s finances, but there’s a big alignment in a reset financially that’s behind all of this as well factor that into this mix.
JR McGee:
A lot of people talk about what they think, what they feel, what they believe. And from a strategical point of view, I want to look at data. And data says that the US dollar holdings around the world now account for about 58% of federal reserves in all the different countries. That’s down from 72% in 2001. That’s a major move out of the US dollar. And the dollar shares dipped even in the first quarter of 2025 from almost a full quarter percent while the Euro and the Swiss Franc are edging higher as a trusted reserve currency potential. And then you’ve got the BRICS nations and CAD, A-U-D-S-E-K. So it’s not just the Euro and the yen, the American dollars beginning to get pressure from all different sources around the world. And our economy is 100% based on the fact that we are a reserve currency and the world wants to use the US dollar for trade. I believe that our greatest weakness as a nation is we use sanctions to punish people and that motivates them to move away from the dollar, which is our fundamental foundation upon which everything else is built. If we undercut the dollar, we’re undercutting everything else that we do, Sam. And that is dangerous. That is incredibly dangerous.
Sam Rohrer:
And we’re about out of time here JR. But in reality, on one hand I think the president is trying to preserve the dollar, but these things that you’re talking about, the threats and the continued use of threatening sanctions and so forth are making the other countries not run to the dollar from it. Ladies and gentlemen. So these are things, again, they’re motivations, they’re drivers, a lot of things driving transition, a lot of things. And all of that’s involved in some of what we’re calling today compelling evidence. There’s just too much to ignore. When we come back, we’ll say, all right, now in light of all of these things, alright, as believers, we have a hope this place differently than the world. We’ll talk about that hope and who’s in control. Well, as we go into the final segment, thanks for being with us today, particularly if you joined us at the beginning of this program.
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So anyways, I’ll just leave that there. Jared, let’s get into this and now conclude and wrap up what we’re talking about today because we’ve taken big, big issues. When you talk geopolitical or political, most people say, oh, well what’s that mean to me? Well, frankly, it means a whole lot because the Bible talks about political doesn’t use those words, but it talks about nations and it talks about coalitions of nations and it talks about God’s promised coming kingdom, which is going to be a physical nation, all these things. So what we’re talking about is real, but let’s go here in this regard. When government by its very nature means power. And God has established that in Romans 13, God established, he ranked literally by meaning of the word there, authority of which civil authority nations are a part, but so is the father and mother in the home and so is the employer.
And so is the pastor and the pulpit, all positions of God ordained authority when they do what God says, everything just runs. Oh, just like a clock. But when any one of them steps out and abuses their rank or ordered position, rebellion is the cause, lawlessness is the result. And we’re talking and was witnessing a lot of that today. So here’s a question to you and just go where you want on it. When we say compelling evidence is our title today of which there’s too much to ignore, why is the evidence compelling? Let’s go back and kind of revisit what we talked about in the first segment and why should we not ignore it and factor this into it? What should all of this evidence say to any person who has eyes to see and ears to hear?
JR McGee:
Sam, that’s a great question. We look at something called a strategic risk profile. August, 2025. Here’s what the strategic risk profile is for the United States right now we’ve got a critical infrastructure exposure, and China in particular has multiple cyber terroristic groups, not the least of which is one called Volt Typhoon. A PT 31 is a organization that they have a PT 41 is a different organization that goes after financial networks. And they penetrated not only the United States, but they penetrated Europe, they penetrated other Asian countries, Australia. And that’s for a purpose. They don’t spend that kind of money and they don’t spend that kind of effort to get inside of something just for looking around. And we found that they’re involved heavily into our energy networks, our electrical grids, our water systems, telecommunication, transportation systems, banking, financial networks, and they have put into place back doors and things that they can control these things that is really serious.
And we look at our supply chain and our weaknesses. We have outsourced almost all of our manufacturing and our ability to make things to other countries. Donald Trump and the current administrations trying to import manufacturing back into the United States. But Sam, it’s going to take time to build these businesses back up to make these things and to train people. It’s hard to find people right now who are trained machinists, who are trained welders, who are electricians, who are plumbers, and it’s economic as well. I’ve got a friend who has two sons and one son went to a major university and got a degree that not very useful, currently making about $27,000 a year. His other son went to a technical school, learned how to become an electrician, makes almost a hundred thousand dollars a year, has absolutely no student debt. His other son has over $200,000 in student debt. Financially, it doesn’t make sense for us to send our kids to these universities to give them something with little to no value. We’re going to have to train up a generation of people who want to go into manufacturing, who want to go in as plumbers. And those traditions and those companies and industries have been belittled when they’re the backbone of our country. And the national SharePoint exploits that we’re just hearing about right now. This shows how vulnerable all of our systems are.
Organizations that are hostile to the United States have gone in through SharePoint and have integrated themselves into almost every one of our high class classified high performance systems and systems. Not in a way to benefit them, but to attack them. And here’s the thing though, this is not bad. This is factual. It is what’s actually occurring. But a lot of people look at this thing and they become fearful. And fear is a terrible thing. Fear makes people make bad decisions and do stupid things. I don’t look at this from a fearful perspective. I look at this as a wonder is seeing God in action. God is controlling all of these things for his plan, his purpose, his benefit, and we’re part of that. And we can give into fear and think about how bad things are, or we can get out and go do something. We can get out and talk to our neighbors.
We can go talk to our friends, we can talk to our family, talk to our coworkers. If we truly believe that Jesus is who he said he is, that he rose from the dead, he paid for our sins, and we can go to heaven simply through belief in him, we should be telling every human being we come into contact with that story. That’s what should benefit us. That’s what we should be doing. And that is a marvelous opportunity. This has created a field for witness that is white and to harvest Sam. And one last thing the Bible tells us in Matthew 16:13, and in the morning it’ll be foul weather today for the sky’s red lowering ye hypocrites. You can discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the sign of the times. The sign of the times is all around us. Look at it. See, listen. But go do something that’s positive and do something for the Lord.
Sam Rohrer:
And with that, ladies and gentlemen, that’s exactly what I encourage you to do today here. Observe fear, God, keep his commandments, share the gospel. Look forward to his soon return.
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