Courage In Crisis: Congo Update and Review of the News
August 29, 2025
Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett
Co-host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Pastor Camille
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 8/29/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Isaac Crockett:
Welcome to Stand In the Gap Today. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett. Joining me today is the President of the American Pastors Network, and that’s Sam Rohrer, my co-host, and today is a Friday edition. I want to get later in the program to asking Sam some questions about the news headlines of this week. And it’s really been interesting how Sam, what you’ve been talking about with several different guests about AI and controls and surveillance, how that works and interweaves with what’s going on in the news this week. But before we go there, we have a special and urgent update. I want you to please pay close attention. A special friend of ours, a guest returning Pastor Camille, talking about what’s going on in the DRC, the Democratic Republic of Congo, our brothers and sisters in Christ. Earlier this year we had a couple of programs about the persecution they were facing and about political oppression and terrorist groups that were going on in the Congo. There’s some much needed updates that we need to get to. And so we’ve invited Pastor Camille on today. Pastor Camille, thank you for the work you’re doing and thank you for taking time to be on our program today.
Pastor Camille:
It is an honor and a privilege. Thank you for the opportunity.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, pastor, earlier this year on this program, we talked with you about a ministry, the Lord led you to start, but that ministry is Africa New Day would be the English version of it. Could you just tell us a little bit about the ministry and what you all do?
Pastor Camille:
Thank you. Africa New Day is a Christian organization and we started this initiative to focus on transforming the people of DRC, the Democratic Republic of Congo through various development programs. Our mission really is to empower the local communities, particularly using advocacy, education and economic development. We believe that God has placed treasures and resources in each individual and we believe that our role with the Holy Spirit is to help each individual realize that he’s God’s solution for a human issue as opposed to looking for help from outside, that somehow each person can actually be a part of the solution. It is environment. So Africa New Day provides the tools and the resources for each individual to actually connect with God’s mission and plan for his life and his community.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, and Pastor Camille, it is great to have you here with us today. If you don’t mind, let’s go just a little bit further into that. Two questions for you is that, do you view Africa New Day as a mission outreach as a missionary, a lot of Americans listening obviously right now. Is that how they view that? Number one? Let’s clarify that a little bit and then a bit more of a history of Africa, new day, when did you begin and whatever you can tell us about that just to allow our listeners to get a better understanding of who you are and the focus.
Pastor Camille:
Certainly. My wife and I were actually born in the capital city of DRC in Kinshasa. We both grew up in Belgium and then had a chance to attend school in Orange County, California in the late nineties 2000. And upon graduation, we received an email that was depicting the situation in Eastern Congo. And at that time we had never been to Eastern Congo. We don’t know anybody, we don’t speak the language. But that situation really grabbed our hearts talking about sexual violence and wars and conflicts. So we shared the email with some of our friends, including professors on campus, and one of our professors replied back to us and said, thank you for sharing, but what can we do? And at that point we have no other answer that just at this point, all we can do is pray. But to us the question sounded as if God was asking us now that you know, what are you going to do?
And one thing led to another, it became very clear the following months and years that God really wanted us to relocate to that part of the country and be used by him to be part of the solution. So when we shipped to Eastern Congo for the first time, we looked at the situation and it became very clear that people were desperate. They felt like they were powerless. The conflict had lasted for two decades already, and they were looking at the United Nations to bring a solution to the Western countries to bring solutions. And as Christian, God was making clear to us that we needed to empower the local population to understand that they could be part of the solution. And so that’s how we said, okay, how does that look like in terms of practical matters? How do we practically help people solve problems in their communities? And that’s how God led us to various initiatives through education, spiritual formation with programs online on radio, but also a church that we were able to start and various initiatives with local organization and Christian groups as well.
Isaac Crockett:
Pastor Camille, I’m remembering the program we did with you and with another person from Africa New Day. And I think taking this biblical worldview as you did and saying, what does the Bible tell us? Rather than saying, oh, let’s wait for America to do something. Or I was surprised to find out that the Congo at one point I think had the most peacekeepers of any country I think. And yet the sexual assaults, these other crimes were just rampant, still are. And so taking that saying, what does the Bible say we ought to do? Starting with the children and helping shape their biblical worldview, helping women and men understand God-given roles and what God says the difference that made. And I remember, I think it was Harmony said, she was talking not too long ago to a group of, I think it was about 35 women, and she asked how many of them had been raped that week, I think she said. And I think if I remember right, about 25 of them raised their hands. And so we are dealing with things that it’s almost hard. Well, it is hard for me as an American to wrap my mind around that kind of violence, those kind of situations. But real quickly here we have about a minute left. How is the Lord using you but using that biblical world, you using a true Christian background, how is that helping the people that you’re ministering to into DRC?
Pastor Camille:
Well, the Bible calls us the light of the world and the salt of the earth. And this could only be a slogan if we think that this is what we need to understand within the four walls of the church, as opposed to saying, okay, well God also said to his disciples, you will be my witnesses.
And using that as an opportunity to say, okay, we hear about sexual violence. How could we be part of the solution? Well, one is to help the women and children that have gone through those kind of atrocious situations. But another part is also to attack the problem at the root cause. If more than 90% of the perpetrators are men, how can we redeem and change the mindset of the men that are committing those kind of crimes? And this would actually lead to how do we start a man’s ministry that help men think in terms of solution as opposed to in terms of perpetrators.
Isaac Crockett:
So there’s so much going on here and this is why it’s so important that we as Christians, that we are a light in the stark world and that we look and see what God, what do you want me to do next? Well folks, we’re just getting started here. We want to hear an update on what is going on right now in the Congo, how we can pray for the church much more. Please stay with us after this short break. You don’t want to miss this. We’ll be right back on. Stand in the gap today. Well welcome back to our program. I’m Isaac Crockett and my co-host today is Sam Rohr. And before we go to asking Sam some questions about some of the things going on in the news, we are talking with our friend Pastor Camille from Africa New Day, talking about what is going on right now in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Pastor Camille, one of the areas that we were praying for earlier this year, and that you all are very, very closely tied into is the area of Goma, a big city in Congo, Goma, and the terrorist group M 23 with connections to the Rwandan government.
They had basically taken the town over. I think the last we spoke about this was maybe in April. What kind of updates do you have on that? I know a lot of people will remember that there’s some talks going on with the US government trying to help broker peace between Rwanda and DRC, but what update have you seen on the ground from the folks living there in Goma?
Pastor Camille:
Well, August 22nd, there was a hearing by the United Nations on the situation of M 23, and they actually reported that in spite of the diplomatic efforts, especially from the state departments of the United States, they have seen continued violence and attacks by M 23 and other armed groups has continued to harm civilians. Unfortunately, we are hearing that July and August, the M 23 fighters have killed at least 319 civilians in North Kivu province. And that’s between July nine and 21st. And human rights watch also detailed mass killings of civilians in July and documented M 23’s, force transfers and deportation of civilians. So the people in Goma are living in terror and fear abduction happening on a regular basis. Rape and all kinds of situations that have led the life in Goma to be almost unlivable have actually left the area in Goma and Boca. And they’ve gone through neighboring countries like Burundi, Uganda, and Kenya. The bank system is not working at this point. A lot of people have lost their jobs. So the economic situations is really dire. So school year starts next week and many parents don’t have the means to send their kids to school. And so this is life in those areas that are occupied by the M 23 group that is backed by the government of Rwanda.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, Pastor Camille. Okay with the group M 23, you’re just describing there’s a terrorist group and the things that you are describing, Isaac, as you said earlier, it’s really beyond the comprehension of most people to understand what it’s like to live and endure that kind of fear because obviously there’s got to be a lot of fear to these kind of things happening. But our understanding is is that there’s not just that one group, the M 23 terrorist group, but there’s another group that you’d refer to in the past, the A DF group that has some linkage to another Muslim terrorist group, ISIS perhaps that are involved in that as well. What can you share about additional groups to the M 23? And are they all in effect? Are they all linked or are they just separate but they do the same heinous things?
Pastor Camille:
Well, it’s never been established that linked, but the areas where the A DF operates, the M 23 Democratic force, that’s what a DF stands for initially from Uganda, have seen a transformation into the Islamic state, central Africa increasing, and they have adopted an ideology and operation form and strategies of ISIS. They’ve been responsible for numerous attacks against civilians in DRC with an emphasis on brutal tactics that align with the Islamic states method. And what’s interesting is many people have said, well, it’s just because of the general violence going on in Eastern Congo that somehow Christians are caught in the middle, false Christians are being targeted by the A DF. We have had instances of people being asked before being killed, being asked, would you convert to Islam? And if their answer was negative, no victim act for the civil reason. Recall.
Isaac Crockett:
Yes. So this is just again the description, their heinous and atrocious, these atrocities. Sam, I think we’re having a little bit of technical difficulty with the signal there from Pastor Camille, but the actions that are going on are unfortunately a part of daily life for many people in the world. But in this case, this particular group that’s connected with ISIS, they aren’t just doing this because they’re terrorists and they’re trying to take over for political control. There’s a religious ideology here where they’re actually asking people to convert people in the Congo. Most of the people in Congo, 80% or more proclaimed to be Christian and they’re coming in and really at the edge of the sword wanting to see them convert. Sam, as we think about this, what should our reaction as Christians be as we hear about our brothers and sisters in Christ going through this sort of persecution?
Sam Rohrer:
Well, I think there are a couple of things that come to my mind. Number one, we know because on this program we’ve talked in the past with other groups of which we’re associated with that are watching persecution around the world. And for those who are listening to this program who are in America now, some this program is also being carried in Kenya, Africa, and some of the nations and some of those folks listening will understand exactly what Pastor Camille is talking about. But for many, this is a foreign thing, it’s like over there. But as believers, the thought that goes through my mind, Isaac, is this, Jesus says in Matthew 24 as a part of the all of discourse that one of the things that will increase prior to his return, which we believe is close at hand, will be the rise of persecution. And he says there, for my name sake, for my name sake, which means it’ll be people who identify with Jesus Christ as the savior of the world.
And that I think is exactly what Pastor Camille just mentioned. So when Islamist or other religious entities say, alright, will you denounce Jesus Christ or will you convert to something else? That is exactly what Jesus is talking about there in Matthew 24 where there is persecution because of the fact that they are a Christian for his name sake. That’s where mine goes right now. And it doesn’t, how can I say it? It doesn’t help to lessen the circumstance, but it does help for those who may be in that circumstance to say that if that occurs, the presence of the Lord in that setting is unique. It is real. And though we in America have not done it, it literally could come here sooner than we think. So we must not just put it off as something that will forever remain over there.
Isaac Crockett:
Yes, yes. This is something to be watching and praying for them, praying for ourselves. Pastor Camille, I think our signal is better with you now, pastor Camille. What can we who are listening, what can we do? Just like your question many decades ago, what can I do? What can we do about this situation?
Pastor Camille:
Well, for one, I would say pray because we believe that through prayer God can intervene and he has the final word and we believe that prayer is powerful. Number two, I would say raise awareness, inform others about the in DRC, the Bible says that when one member of the body sufferers, the whole body suffers. I would also say support humanitarian organizations. If you know any Christian organization that’s operative in the area, Africa New Day would definitely welcome your support financially and also advocate for policy change. I mean, there’s tremendous power in the United States. The United States been able to do a lot of good in the world, and right now they’re brokering this peace deal between Rwanda and Congo. So engage with local and national representatives to advocate for policies that support peace and stability in the DRC. Participate in events that talk about this situation.
Volunteer, if you hear about an opportunity to train people locally through online options, even engage your pastor and spiritual religious leaders about the situation. The churches have also been hit with this economic situation, whereas many people have actually dropped. I mean many churches have seen a drop in attendance and of course a drop in giving. So if they had a missionary operations going on in the country, well they cannot support the missionaries anymore any longer. So if you can rally your pastors and evangelists to be involved in this situation and also engage with the Congolese diaspora, if you are in an area where you know that there are people from Africa and specifically from the Congo, maybe you can get more information as to how you can be part of the solution.
Isaac Crockett:
These are great steps to follow up on. Pray, pray, pray. That’s the first and most important thing is pray. But raising awareness in times where I’ve been, in places where people are suffering, they’ve been persecuted. Just knowing that other people know how important that is. Supporting groups like African New Day that are helping people be independent and helping people have a biblical worldview and then advocating, letting your congressmen know about this and engaging with people from Congo and just working on this. Pastor Camille, thank you so much for the work you’re doing. Thank you for this update and let’s continue to pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ in the Congo. We’re going to take a quick time out to hear from some of our partners and then we’ll be right back on staying in the gap today.
Well welcome back to Staying in the Gap today. And we’ve been on this Friday edition. I’m getting ready to ask Sam some questions, but we had a quick update from a friend of ours, pastor Camille from African New Day working with Democratic Republic of Congo. And there’s a lot going on all over the world, middle East and Africa, but there’s so much persecution that we sometimes either don’t hear about or it’s just sounds kind of washed out by all the other things going on in the world right now. But our brothers and sisters in Christ, some of them are being arrested or beaten or misplaced houses taken away, and some of these African nations like the Congo literally killed and sometimes being asked, will you recant your Christianity? Will you convert to Islam or face the sword? And these are just unimaginable situations for most of us listening today.
And yet the encouragement to pray for each other, to pray for each other here in the United States, as we know as Christians, the expectation is that we will face pushback. We will face persecution, pray and raise awareness to those in our churches and in our communities that need to know about this support groups like Pastor Camille’s Group with African New Day and others, and then advocate to our Congress and other representatives and engage with people who maybe are from some of these African nations or Middle Eastern nations where persecution is happening and see what we can do to help them if they’re in our communities here in the United States. There was a lot, so much information right there, but I want to shift gears here and go to some of the headline news. And it is interesting, we talk about facing awareness of persecution, but what’s been in the news right now is this shooting that took place at a Catholic Christian school in Minneapolis area.
And it’s interesting that almost immediately the first news that broke about this shooting, there was a pushback against really saying things like thoughts and prayers and the mayor of Minneapolis saying they were literally praying when this happened. So there’s been some pushback on that. There’s been a lot of information going on with what appears that the shooter was somebody who claimed to be trans and all these different things. And I guess kind of sickening even is that there have been people going on social media and almost cheering this saying This is what you get for being such conservative right wing bigots like you are in these Christian schools or Catholic schools. And so it’s just so much to try to wrap our minds around right now, Sam, but here we are at the end of this week where all of this happened, where it’s unfolding. And I would just like to get some comments, some thoughts from you as we look at this sort of thing in our news.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, Isaac, unfortunately, one of the things I think overall is that these types of events that if you look at the number of shootings, not just at a religious school or a church, but that have been taking place the last couple of weeks, multiple locations across the country, college campuses, other things. And what it tells me is that it’s just a continual reminder because most of what we are hearing, most of shootings, most of events where lawlessness is taking place and where there is harm being done to persons, to people or to property is not even mentioned at all. I mean, we don’t hear about the hundred murders a week that sometimes happens in Chicago. We don’t hear about the murders that are occurring in other major cities across the country. They don’t even make the news.
So when one, this does come forward to me, it’s a reminder that these things are happening, but one should not think that those are the only cases. Not at all. It’s the death and the harm has been increasing for a very, very long time. I personally tend to think when something does come to the front in media, I often say, well, here’s another example of some harm. But my first thought as someone like on this program where we analyze headline news and kind of go behind the news is to say, why does this one example come to the fore? Why does the media pick this one now to report? And it does not report all these hundreds of others that are happening all the time and don’t consider them to be worthy of reporting. And so I think there may be something behind it. The fact that this individual is Robin Westman was a boy transitioning to a girl.
The fact that that came out, the fact that trans change was a part of it politically speaking, there are things why that can be made to be an issue and all of that. But my mind doesn’t go to that fact. My mind goes to the fact that again, we are witnessing the rise of sin, dominating the minds and the choices of people. And it is a result that of us as a nation generally and as our people generally, as we know from the surveys, have no fear of God and these kinds of things then come forth out of the sinfulness of man’s heart. That’s where mine goes. That’s where my mind goes at the end of the day. And there’s a lot more you could build out on this case. And a lot of the news is the media is calling out certain aspects, and so they are looking at this as perhaps a hate crime as they’re looking at it as some other aspect. But at the end of the day, it’s sin. It’s a manifestation of the depraved heart of man, uncontrolled by voluntary submission to God’s law and a justice system by and large that does not treat and address the causes of the things that we’re seeing as emanating from a sinful heart. But blaming it as I’m already seeing it happen on here was a suppressed individual and other justifications that are coming up with it’s sin. It’s sin. And that’s what we’re seeing.
Isaac Crockett:
Well, that’s so important for you to point that out, Sam, because there’ll be people trying to compare this shooter to that shooter or this situation or that situation. But you’re right, the heart of the problem, the root of the problem is the heart of man. It’s a sin problem. All of these situations are sin problems and the answer is to turn to the Lord ultimately. Now there are so many nuances and so many more things and as the weeks go forward, we’ll probably be discussing some of that on this program. But Sam, I do find this very interesting. Minnesota has a lot of tight gun control laws compared to other states around in the Midwest. And this individual we’re hearing bought the guns legally or whatever. So different discussions there. But last week, and this is a topic that comes a lot on our program, talking about ai, this artificial intelligence and how it’s being used for control and surveillance and things.
And one of the things that you and I have been talking about and we wanted to talk about on this program before the shooting even happened was the control and surveillance using AI in our school systems for the purpose of things like right now of protection. I mean, that sounds good, doesn’t it? We want to protect our children and people are saying, why wasn’t this Robin person wasn’t he or flagged earlier as having problems and being kept away from them? But Sam, do you see a connection between some of the news that we’re hearing right now with the Annunciation Catholic School and what happened there and at the same time an agenda being pushed for preemptive measures using AI to monitor behaviors and risks, particularly in our schools?
Sam Rohrer:
I see it absolutely developing because on one side of the equation you have the increase in crime, you have what Trump has been talking about. I’m calling it out. All right. These inner cities are doing nothing, which is justifying in his mind, federalizing the police in Washington DC and from the federal government’s perspective, we talked about it yesterday on our program, David New and I did, about this aspect of now moving federal troops and taking over Baltimore and Chicago and New City and maybe LA where there’s a lot of high crime and saying, well, you guys aren’t doing it, so we’re going to move in with the federal police and soldiers and we’re going to do what you should not have done. And the president is saying in Chicago as an example, the people of Chicago are begging, begging me to come and save them from the lawlessness.
Okay, now all of that being manifest and making better known is something that is appropriate because it is taking place a soldier to force compliance is one way you fix it, but it doesn’t really fix it because it makes you a police state. The other way is the use of artificial intelligence and the actual term Isaac that used is predictive policing. So if somebody Googles predictive policing, they will find a whole list of things. Now, there are a number of cities including Chicago and Los Angeles that have actually backed away from it because they found bias in the system, not ai, but bias in the system of doing predictive policing, which goes back way before 2020. Actually it was under Obama administration where he came up with a concept of this predictive part in the fact that we can actually identify the criminal before they commit criminal action and do something on it.
That was a lot of pushback at that point. But what I’m seeing and what I think is happening is that the attention to all of this action harm being done, crime being done is being raised. I think you’re going to find that the president’s going to go ahead and put more soldiers on the streets. I think that as in fact that Americans don’t like to see soldiers on the streets. And I think there’s going to be pushback to that. And I think you’re going to see the alternative. Well, we could come up with this way of artificial intelligence actually being a mechanism to well be more just than something else. And it does have the mechanism for surveillance of every person. I think you see a solution already coming up into what is being made a bigger problem or
Isaac Crockett:
Well, and Sam, if that brings peace in these situations, if that means less mass shootings and things like that, I believe that you will see a lot of people excited right about that. Well, let’s talk about that more. We come back from side of the break. We’re going to take another quick break to hear from some of our partners and we want to wrap things up on standing the gap today. Well welcome back to our program, same as we’re wrapping this up and we’ve been tying in some of the things that are going on in the news and to be looking at why are they focusing on this thing or on that story of all the different murders that have happened, why this one? And there’ve been other mass shootings, but whenever it happens at a school, obviously it gets a lot of attention. But one of the things we’re looking at is this idea of preemptive policing using AI technologies in the schools.
And I guess just stepping back from this, Sam looking at this, I’m thinking of, I’ve been in some Muslim countries that we’re were controlled very strictly, maybe even Sharia law type of stuff going on. And there was a certain level of safety as a tourist walking around in a big city. There was no fear of being pickpocketed because the laws are so extreme. If somebody would be caught stealing from me, his hand would be cut off. I remember my dad talking when he would go into former Soviet Union, USSR Moscow in places smuggling Bibles, that crime like pickpocketing or that sort of just being robbed at gunpoint, that it was unheard of in that totalitarian regime. Yet in those Muslim countries or in the former USSR, Christians had no rights. And so I guess Sam, where I’m getting at here is do you see historically that people are willing to give up, they’re willing to accept surveillance, they’re willing to accept a big brother government if it means that they think they’ll have more safety, and is that something we should be concerned about in our nation?
Sam Rohrer:
Isaac, you just went right there. Yeah, absolutely. Because history does tell us that when fear is planted and developed, which is exactly what’s happening in our society and around the world, all the headlines are sensational. They are all geared to make people fear. Why is that? Well, because when people fear, fear, their government fear the crooks down the road, fear of the terrorists, the illegal immigrants who are a threat or whatever the bogey man is in Germany, before they, what did Hitler do? He burned the rice stack down, created a circumstance and blamed it on the Jews, made the people fear the Jews, whatever. When people fear something, they are no longer able to think with confidence and think clearly. And if that fear is fueled and governments fuel the fear because it makes people to the point of saying, help me, help me. I can’t afford to live.
I can’t live under this fear anymore. And there’s always somebody willing to step in and say, well, I’ll take care of that. Most of the time it’s government. And to some extent we are seeing that witness now where government’s going to step in and do what other parts of government wouldn’t do because you can trust him and you can’t trust over here. So there’s a problem, fear, and there’s a solution. We can take care of it. Now, it may not be constitutionally the right thing with the federal government going into cities. That’s not constitutional. But people are going to say, well, yeah, but I want to walk safely. So answer is Isaac, yes. But when that happens, people will give up their freedom in exchange for the perception of safety and that’s all it is. And what they walk from is they walk from a point where there is freedom but maybe uncertainty and they walk into the hands and into the plane of, well, it’s not security, it’s a prison.
And with the development of artificial intelligence, which is now connected to the 30,000 satellites that are circling the earth using surveillance that is keyed to biometric, we talked about that in a previous program, Mark Lerner and I did. We could go Thursday yesterday, and those are linked, which are being done with databases that are being fueled by tens of billions of dollars out of our last big beautiful bill that was funded. It’s funding them. And the president promised a half a billion, half, 500 billion to fund these. And they’re all linked through artificial intelligence and now fed with information from health and health and social security and financial data through IRS and the real ID piece that we’ve connected that along the program before all of these things are being connected together. There is the ability to now step up and say, well, we have a mechanism now American people that can operate justly, it’s colorblind, it can be programmed to just deal with everything just the way it is and Isaac. And that is exactly one of the things that is taking place right now is that a new God I believe is surfacing in America that can give the appearance of safety, but in every respect creating a digital prison.
Isaac Crockett:
Sam, it’s interesting. We know that Solomon reminds us there’s nothing new under the sun, and yet we also know we’re getting closer and closer to the return of Christ. But what you’re saying is that if we can make people fear, if we can make people afraid, they’re easier to control. And what does Jesus constantly tell us as he warns of things to come? You’ve already related to the olive discourse in Matthew 23 and 24, mark 13, Luke 21, the Olive, Jesus warns not just of the second coming of Christ, but of the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem in AD 70 where the Romans Titus is going to come in and try to take control, make people afraid, take control. And in all those cases, he says, do not be afraid when you see these things happening. Do not fear, do not be afraid. He tells us if we know Christ, we heard about this great persecution going on to our brothers and sisters in Christ in Africa, and yet we should not be afraid.
And Jesus says in Luke 21 that they can’t harm a hair on our head. Now, he says right before that they’re going to kill some of you and they’re going to bring some of you before princes and put some of you in prison and things. And the whole point is that God’s providence and control is there and we can turn to him and he has us spiritually. We have eternal life to look forward to. So Sam, as we look at all these days approaching to use the words of Jesus Christ, as we look at all these factors coming together, seeking to control us and to make us afraid, as we close final statements here, what do we do? And then if there’s time, have you close us in prayer too, but what do we do as we see this happening?
Sam Rohrer:
Well, first of all, the apostle Paul says, God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a power and of love and of the sound mind. So it’s the spirit of fear. It’s just the fear of being afraid. That’s what it is that is not present and should not be present in the mind and the heart of a believer. But here’s how I would answer that. I think I came up four things about as we see these days approaching. First is do not be ignorant of the times. We need to understand what’s going on. Do not be ignorant of the times. Secondly, do not be afraid or perplexed because of the times we talked about that. Thirdly, be assured that our God and his plan of redemption is right on time. And fourthly, be confident that when we trust in Him, he will be with us and never leave us nor forsake us anytime. I think if we follow those things, Isaac, are our feet are on the solid ground. Do not be ignorant of the times. Don’t be afraid and perplexed of the times. Be assured that our God and his plan of redemption is right on time and be confident that when we trust in Him, he will be with us and never leave us nor forsake us anytime.
Isaac Crockett:
Thank you. Amen. That is great. See him. If there’s time, would you close us in prayer too?
Sam Rohrer:
Absolutely. Heavenly Father, we thank you Lord that you’ve given us indication of where we are. You’ve given us the assurance of who you are, and you’ve encouraged us to trust in what you are. And Lord, you are our security and our refuge guide and direct us here in these days. Give us wisdom, we pray. In Jesus name, amen.
Isaac Crockett:
Amen.
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