Health Freedom Update: Becoming More Free or Less?

Health Freedom Update: Becoming More Free or Less?

September 22, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Twila Brase

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 9/22/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand in the Gap today and the beginning of the last week of September. By all measurements, this week may well be an historic week, the week ahead of us that is coming off the heels of an historic week and certainly an historic weekend, including an historic gathering and tribute to Charlie Kirk yesterday in Phoenix. If you were able to watch any of what was shared yesterday in the Kirk Remembrance, one thing is for certain, perhaps more people heard the elements of the gospel message in Charlie’s death than in his life, which is often the way it works. The power of forgiveness was certainly showcased when Charlie’s wife, Erica publicly forgave the assassin. And those involved in days like this, God remains merciful to those who have ears to hear, but time does run out and God’s judgment against sin will come in full force because so many others have made so many comments on yesterday’s remembrance.

I’m not going to be devoting more time on that to today’s program other than to say God is at work furthering his prophetic plan of redemption and it’s right on time. Satan is aggressively at work because he knows his days are short. Deception dominates, lawlessness, pervades, and the return of Christ is closer now than at any time before and literally could be today. Now, we should therefore all of us who know the truth should be faithfully at work because the day will soon come when no man can any longer work. How do I know these things Well, because what I’ve just shared is exactly what the Bible says. Speculation is not worth the time. God’s word is priceless though because it is 100% truth. And that being said, today, I’m really glad to have back with me Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom website there@cchfreedom.org. And for this month, and this will be our month’s focus on Health freedom, health freedom update, the title I’ve chosen to frame our conversations today is this is Health Freedom Update Becoming more free or less. And with that, welcome to the program right now. Twila, thanks for being back with me.

Twila Brase:

Thanks Sam. I’m glad to be here.

Sam Rohrer:

I’m glad you are there as well. And Twila, before we get into all of this, and I do want to mention for all of those you’re listening, like I’ve often said, anticipate the weekends because some of the biggest events occur on the weekends. That’s the way it’s done. Anything where government or politics are involved, they make things happen on the weekend because it falls into the middle of the cycle. People aren’t really listening and all of that. And for instance, a couple of things that did happen that are no coverage, and we will talk about some of these on our Wednesday program, I think if it works out here. But for instance, the UN voted over the weekend for a two state solution in the Middle East and they’re going to be voting again coming up right here in a couple of days. And in that it does say for peace and security or peace and safety.

Think about that for Israel and Palestinians. That’s right off the page of scripture. Then you had Saudi Arabia and Pakistan announced a formal treaty that in essence begins what could refer to as a Middle East, NATO. They bind themselves to each other. They’re trying to bring in other nations so that if Israel does anything against any other nation like they did in Qatar, that all of the Arab world will unite against Israel. That’s no small matter. And then obviously tomorrow, today, tonight and tomorrow starts the fall Feast of Trumpets, Rosh Hashanah followed by 10 days of all what’s called the 10 Days of all and culminating in Yom Kippur from a biblical perspective and historic perspective, these are eventful days. When you look back in history, big changes happened. I’ve just put these out here that there’s a lot happening all together. But one of the areas that gets shoved out is what we talk about is health freedom. And so Twila, I want you because you stay on that and are looking at it from your perspective. I just have a question for you. Is health freedom being threatened in a way because of funding changes perhaps made in the big beautiful bill to the Obamacare Affordable Care Act? I mean, there’s a budget that’s hanging out there now. Congress went on recess, it’s not passed. The Democrats are saying they’re not going to come back because the BBB is destroying Obamacare, all of that kind of thing. What’s happening in that area?

Twila Brase:

Well, I could see a lot about this. I guess one of the questions is really how bad is a government shutdown? It is like they hold this government shutdown thing over our heads and wouldn’t we all like less government and the essential pieces of government continue, the military doesn’t get shut down. There are things that don’t get shut down that are essential for the country. But I don’t think of a government shutdown as being that bad of a thing because of course the government is too big as it is. But be that as it may, let’s just answer your question about healthcare and why is healthcare the trigger point for this whole discussion? Well, first you need to know that Congress has, there are 12 full year appropriation bills and Congress hasn’t enacted a single one of them. So this is just staging, I think it’s a seven week that they want this continuing resolution.

And the left is saying that this is going to, by keeping the big beautiful bill and what’s in it on healthcare in law, 17 million are going to go without health insurance. Cancer rates are going to go up and the country’s going to get sicker with cuts to research. So I guess I’d say several things about all those claims. 17 million, not even sure that’s an accurate number, but illegals won’t get coverage. The taxpayer subsidies that were expanded during Covid and those are all taxpayer funded subsidies to more and more and more people, those will disappear and there will no longer be a cap on how much of their advanced premium tax credit that they have to pay back. So if their wages went higher and they now should no longer have that amount of money coming to them as a subsidy, they have to pay it back.

And Biden and company had limited that put a cap on how much they’d have to pay back and Trump and company took that off. And so I think some of the big things to think about this are that Medicaid is a cash cow for health plans. It’s a cash cow. Why not just pay for people who actually come to the doctors and the hospitals to get care? Why is the government paying per member per month to the health plans no matter whether those people come in or not? Why aren’t we only covering the people if we want to have this kind of program? Why aren’t we only covering them when they actually come in and get care? So I think that health insurance has been made very expensive by Congress. They’ve redistributed our wealth and we should be getting rid of as much of this as possible. And so we should not let the Democrats hold this over and say that this thing must be undone. No, it must stay in law. We must get rid of as much taxpayer subsidized coverage as possible.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, so we’ll touch more on this theme, the cost of healthcare as we get into it, but that’s tied into the budget. But you’re going to be hearing that come up because theoretically the government runs out of money on September 30th, but I think you’re going to see something this time. But as Twila says, would it really make that much difference to theoretically be out of money? They’re not going to be out of money, believe me, it may just be the thing that’s needed. We’ll be back in just a moment as we go further into the discussion day on hold.

If you’re just joining us today, thanks for being on board. This is our focus, our monthly focus on health freedom. Try to do this once a month and our theme today is health freedom update becoming more free or less. And sometimes that’s a difficult thing to measure as they talked about in the first segment with special guest Twila Braze. We only deal with this subject so far, primarily with Twila. She’s the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. They have a website@healthfreedom.org and is really the finest one that I know that is in this space and has been there for a while. And so that’s why I’m glad to have her on today to talk about this because there are so many things happening. It’s not possible for any single person to stay up on all of them. So in this area of healthcare and freedom, we’re going to move into that now.

Now one of the areas, I just had a couple of individuals ask me the other day, what do you think about RFK and what kind of a job he is doing? It seems, well anyways, I’m going to go that way and pose her a question on that because the selection of Robert F. Kennedy to head the Health and Human Service, he’s a secretary now of that, as we all know, appointed by Donald Trump. Initially it was generally perceived as a good thing by at least conservative health type people. Now, many months in major changes have been made without a doubt. Major changes have been made. Key appointees of the FDA and the CDC people have been fired or they have quit policies against certain unhealthy foods like dies in food and so forth. Processed foods have been issued directly under the direction of RFK as secretary. Significant changes in vaccine policies have been promulgated.

And not long ago, Robert F. Kennedy, before Congress announced in his words, the largest effort ever by Health and Human services to encourage what he called wearables by every American. He said in four years he wanted every American to be wearing a wearable because he said each American can take control of their own health through that. But some people like conservative Catherine Austin Fitz as an example and others have declared that Make America healthy again, is really a Trojan horse to encourage the digitization and tracking of every person, which is also a goal recently stated by Donald Trump himself in some meetings with AI guys and some of the others. So there’s a reason for that. So anyways, Twilight, what’s being done in the Trump administration and healthy human services viewed through one lens? I’m going to say this through one lens, it looks like it’s more freedom, health freedom. If you look through another lens, it looks like it’s taking it to less freedom. So here’s the question. From a healthcare and health freedom perspective, how are you viewing the actions of this administration and specifically RFK with health human services, with these changes that have been made? How do you put ’em all together and settle them out?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think there’s a lot of avenues to look at above and beyond ai, but I am glad that you mentioned AI because I was listening to four experts talk about AI and they talked about how the health plans now are using AI to just automatically deny your claim. And so I think that an ai, is it hallucinates? It just makes up things. And the expert said there is no that AI doesn’t understand consequences of their suggestions. So if they happen to suggest suicide, well you don’t just doesn’t mean anything to them because it’s not a moral, it’s just a program, it’s just a computer program. And so AI could actually be used to take away our freedom and the doctor’s freedom in the exam room. And there is all this talk about freedom, but then I look at several different things in healthcare because I don’t necessarily see the freedom moving into healthcare.

The whole real id, which I know you said we were going to talk about it at some point, but that could become a vaccine passport, a digital tracking system, a no card, no care system, and the Trump administration’s doing nothing about it. And then there’s zero attention to HIPAA. So all of this whole thing about let’s have wearables, okay, well wearables would be letting all of this information potentially go into digital systems and then people would be thinking, well, it’s digital but it’s protected by HIPAA. But HIPAA doesn’t protect anybody’s privacy. I don’t see anything coming out of the Trump administration to bring people back their privacy and keep outsiders out of the exam room. And then of course there’s just zero acknowledgement that seniors are captured in the government healthcare system, Medicare, that’s going broke in eight years and that is increasingly rationing care. And they have no way out. There is no health insurance on the outside for them to pick. So to me it’s age discrimination at age 65, suddenly your money is no good to buy health insurance anywhere. And so there’s none of that happening out of the Trump administration. At least not yet.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, well that is significant then. So I think we can maybe come back on some of those. So it’s a mixed bag. I think that’s what you’re saying. There’s some things moving more towards freedom and there’s some things moving not is that basically you’d answer that question

Twila Brase:

And all the things that are happening with the vaccinations is really, really great. There’s just so much great happening there. But on the bigger issues of healthcare, sort of like on the MAHA, right, there’s a lot of stuff happening. But on the healthcare in general, which should be MAGA, there’s not a lot happening.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Alright. Well let’s go into the vaccines a little bit more because mentioned that, but as an example, can you cite any of the things that listeners should note that perhaps would be the most significantly good things that have taken place relative to vaccines?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think just cutting down the workforce at HHS, but also eliminating government forces, biased corporate forces in these committees firing the head of CDC and a bunch of people going out with her and those who are really biased toward government control, government mandates being eliminated. And then even how the committees now which are filled with truth tellers like Robert Malone are eliciting responses from big pharma that show how it worked with or kept from FDA, the vaccine injuries for the COVID shot as they worked to get the billions of dollars that they would get through emergency youth authorization. And then the whole thing about autism, there’s going to be a big announcement today. We don’t know exactly what it’s going to be, but there’s going to be something and maybe it has to do with vaccines, I’m uncertain about that. But also just looking at hepatitis B, there’s now tension on hepatitis B. Why are we giving hepatitis B, which is for people who have lots of sex outside of marriage and who are drug users, but giving that within 24 to 48 hours to babies, newborns, why is that happening? And so I think all of this stuff is being brought into question and I think this is very good because it’s causing a lot of people to rethink things that they thought about vaccination and the government and the push and the mandate.

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, I agree as well. I mean just anyway, we’ll just let that sit there. Let’s move into the other area, wearables. I mentioned that at the beginning because I have found that anyways, I want your thoughts on wearables. We know what RFK said before Congress and it was positioned as a, I want people to be able to take healthcare back into their own hands, but talk to me about what your thoughts are on wearables and then we’ll go further some other questions for you then.

Twila Brase:

Yeah, so I think there’s some real advantage in wearables. It’s a matter of who gets the data. Is the data controlled by people? Is there actual consent or in order to have one, you give up all rights to your data and they can just use it as they want to share it with the government, share it globally, whoever they want. I think that’s one of the things. But I do think that there’s a lot of things with wearables and if there was more competition among them, you might be able to find which ones are more accurate and which ones are less accurate. It’s a little bit like the laboratories that are coming now where you can go and get the labs yourself without a doctor’s order. There’s a lot of things you should be able to do yourself without a doctor’s order. This may become more and more and more important as in the exam room itself and in the hospital what we’re having are corporate controlled doctors, not necessarily doctors who are in your corner even though some of them might want to be. And so if you end up with this information in your own hands and you do your own research, this can be very good for you. But if what happens is all of this data can be turned against you because you’ve now collected it from your body, they know your whereabouts. They know if you were using alcohol at the time, they know all of this kind of stuff, then that would not be good. So I think there should be a lot of caution with it, but there is a lot of opportunity with it.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, now that brings us up rather than posing another question to you on that. We’re going to just carry it over into the next segment Twila, because I was just reading an article about how now big pharma in response to this are actually salivating and putting themselves into position because of the value that this data from the wearables could do for them all. Anyways, ladies and gentlemen, we’ll be back in just a moment as we continue into some discussion today. Health freedom update becoming more free or less, there’s just so many things changing in matters of health policy, AI gets involved as well. There’s so many things. How does one sort through that? We’re trying to do a little bit of that today. We come back, we’ll continue on this concept of wearables and then we’re going to move into healthcare funding overall and some big changes that are actually taking place.

Alright, well welcome back and speaking today with Twila Brase. And our theme here again is freedom update becoming more or less free. And we’re talking really about changes. Most of those things that impact this broader concept of health freedom come out of Washington policy, federal government. Things are, well anyways, I won’t go. It’s more than even in the states. It’s mostly out of Washington and there are so many things that have been tampered with over the years from the way we constructed, the way we understand health insurance to be, which we’ll talk more about the cost of what healthcare is to now the goal to intertwine artificial intelligence through data centers and actually as those that are involved in it, including out of our administration, are anticipating that actually that AI doctor is worth 1200 doctors and therefore will be better than the one that you’re going to right now.

Those kinds of things. Big changes, they’re in the winds and it’s happening. So that being the case, Twila, let’s go back here. On this matter of the wearables, I did a program on wearables from a different perspective, not a health perspective, but from a tracking perspective. And on that program, the guest that I had, James Spencer was with me, we were talking about this and the idea that anything of that type that’s collecting information all of the time will automatically go into the system. That system is a AI run and it’s all being consolidated in the data center. So therefore, as you suggested on the other side, well yeah, there is that concern of what about everything else because it’s also listening and there’s also a lot of other input that’s being collected, not just my heartbeat or my blood pressure. And so with that regard, we ended up talking in that program about if you have a blood sugar issue, something I type might be absolutely wonderful for a person who’s monitoring their sucrose levels and that kind of thing. But beyond that, alright, so anyways, back on that theme. Talk a little bit more about it really from the standpoint of freedom. More thoughts from you on that please.

Twila Brase:

Well, the interesting thing about what Secretary Kennedy said, he wants every American wearing a wearable in four years and they’re going to have a campaign out of HHS, which he calls one of the biggest in the agency’s history. So you can tell that the government is planning to spend a lot of time, effort, and money on trying to get all of us to wear these devices. Well there’s a lot of people who don’t necessarily even and are starting to even look a little bit differently at the phone that’s in your pocket and thinking about, well what’s happening with this phone and how many people are listening in and all of this kind of stuff. And now actual devices that would be on your body and would this eventually move to devices that go in your body, including the pills that have sensors that have been ping your medical record to say that you have taken them. I just think people have got to look very carefully when the government wants to have information or wants you to get that kind information or give that kind of information away even if they have a really good reason for it. Like you get to take over your own health. You get to know how high does your glucose go every time you eat? How long does it take to come down?

How are you breathing, how many steps are you taking? All this kind of stuff. You just have to think what could happen, where could this go? Who’s in power now? Who could be in power the next time? And then how much is it going to cost? Because one of the things that he says is they’re exploring ways that would mean the government of making sure those costs can be paid for. And if those costs are paid for by somebody, then whoever pays for it is going to want to make sure it is used a certain way and that certain data gets reported because they’re paying for it. So I think there are just things people should not just walk into this willy-nilly and think, no problem here. There could be problems here when it comes to freedom and autonomy.

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, I would agree so as well. So ladies and gentlemen, just again, I think that is, like we had said before, be careful, don’t rush into it like it’s a panacea because no information collected is secure information. That’s a bottom line fact of life. And so we’ll just let that sit there for right now. Let’s move to another area, Twila, because in your research and evaluation of policies and changes, other things that we’ve talking about that could impact health freedom in America, you and I prior working on putting together a roadmap for the program, which we do and it’s very helpful, and that was this area of, it’s called Health Ecosystems. Now I did a little bit further looking and it just happens to be the title of a notice by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services that on May 16th of this year filed in the federal register at that time with the title request for information entitled Health Technology ecosystem or Ecosystem. So here’s my question. What is this new health technology ecosystem envisioned by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid now published in the Federal Register and does it lead toward greater health freedom or less?

Twila Brase:

So they launched it on July 31st and they described it as patient-centered, voluntary and opt in. And they use those words a health tech ecosystem, but in their own documents it’s really called A CMS and that’s center for Medicare Medicaid Services, CMS Aligned Network or CMS Interoperability Framework. So these are government programs and they would like everyone to be linked up to them with their healthcare apps so that there would be more and more information running into this government data system from everybody from their wearables, from their apps that they have all of this sort of thing. And they say that this is one way where we can have better research to know better things for healthier lives as well as just the ability to be healthier and have more information about you when the doctor sees you and all that kind of stuff. Well, doctors don’t hardly have enough time now to look at the information because they’re so busy doing, clicking all the buttons and checking all the boxes and all that kind of stuff.

I just look at this as less what they say about it and more as just building this enormous data system that all sorts of people will want access to this even greater treasure trove of data if they’re successful. And I know you mentioned before the break, big pharma, big pharma would be looking at getting even more data and potentially without any consent from anybody, they just go to their IRB committees and IRB would waive any kind of consent requirements saying that it was minimal risk to people. And so all of this data could just be tapped into without your consent and things could be developed, studies could be promoted. And we all know now about the bias of studies, right? During COVID we learned a lot about the bias of studies against Ivermectin and such. And even RFK is saying now that HHS is probably not going to publish any of these peer reviewed journals like the Lancet or JAMA or all of these kind of journals that we all looked at as though they were truth and now we found out how biased that they are. And so here would be this whole treasure trove of data now that they could use to put out more studies and you wouldn’t even have any idea whether those studies were true or not. I just think it’s really important for people to look further than the words and to understand that this health tech ecosystem is actually the CMS aligned network. It’s a government system,

Sam Rohrer:

Alright? And I think that from my perspective, all of this move towards digitization of which this is further and the heavy push towards it all governed and overseen by AI makes it for the case that, well you know what, with this we can cut the cost down and we can ensure more consistent analysis and all that kind of thing. But in reality ladies and gentlemen, under such a condition, you really do trade your independence for dependence. Now that being the case about a minute left, we’ll carry it over to the next segment if we need to Twila, but in the system as well the costs, we talked about that there’s some major changes. One involves John Hopkins United Healthcare and expected healthcare costs that are coming up across the board. Update us on these things.

Twila Brase:

Well I think that the John Hopkins cases, it’s so interesting and it shows what’s happening all over the country and they have ended their contract negotiations with healthcare, which is the biggest health plan in the entire country, in the entire world. And this is all about out of network. And so the dispute isn’t about money but it’s about the terms. And Johns Hopkins claims that United Healthcare wants to keep their power to delay or deny necessary patient care while United says that Hopkins wants to be able to refuse care to certain patients with employer-based plans. So you can see this kind of thing that is happening, but it does have to do with money because delay and deny actually have to do with whether or not they’ll get paid or they won’t get paid. And then the other thing with increasing premiums, so the estimates are out and the expectation is that employer sponsored coverage will probably rise about 9% on average, but will rise up to 30% for individuals with their health insurance premiums.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, well obviously we’ve got a problem coming so I’m going to want you to answer that question as far as what is the resolve you’re seeing coming here on this cost impact? And then we want to conclude ladies and gentlemen, I’m going to ask while give us an update on real ID because it’s becoming a thing. We’ve talked about it a lot. We’ll give an update on that in just a minute. Enter into the final segment here. You’ve said much about, and it’s appropriately so about the increasing cost of health care. It’s not health insurance for the reasons you talked about Medicare cost, Medicaid costs for the states, it’s all going out. And you’ve said, I think it’s a great way of phrasing it, it’s senior discrimination because anybody, when they reach 65, they’ve got a jettison what they have in most cases and then sign up for Medicare, which then locks them into the system, doesn’t give them greater advantages, all that kind of thing. But the cost part of it, and you earlier said eight years Medicare’s bankrupt. Alright, what is being done? Do you think we are within months maybe because of this budget impasse perhaps or whatever, are we at a breaking point where there’s going to be a shift and there and do you see any way that in this there may be at all a shift back to actual real insurance?

Twila Brase:

Boy, I would really like that. I mean we have a bill that’s called Make Health Insurance Real again or making health insurance real again. And because we actually need real health insurance back because the Affordable Care Act, everything that it did enforce this into these qualified health plans forced us to pay all this additional money. That was the whole wealth redistribution scheme. And Senator Max Baus that day when it passed, he said, we have something, I’m paraphrasing here. We have finally corrected the mal distribution of income in this country. So the Affordable Care Act was nothing about healthcare. It was this entire scheme to redistribute our wealth. And so the real question is whether or not the powers that be are going to let us get back to real health insurance. Would the Trump administration push for that? Will anybody in Congress push for that or will states decide that they are going to essentially tell the federal government, we remember our 10th amendment right here and we are bringing back real health insurance state by state, which they could do.

And so it’s a battle, but somebody has to actually see it worth fighting and maybe we get to a certain point where it’s become unaffordable and people suddenly realize the only options here are to get back to real health insurance or to go whole hog into full government socialized medicine, which takes away all of our rights to make every doctor a government employee. So I don’t know what it will take, but our organization is trying to not have it get all the way to there and we just open up the doors, open up the escape hatches out of Medicare, start to build a real health insurance market outside of Medicare. There’s going to be 80 million people in Medicare. That’s a serious market to be had if they could just be let out and they could pay real insurance prices which are real affordable. It’s like it’s for real catastrophes and it’s real affordable and it’s real insurance and we don’t want to get to that point where we have to make that kind of a choice.

Sam Rohrer:

No, we absolutely don’t. But changes like that, they’re not made unless something really drives it up against the wall. Hopefully maybe a shutdown if occurs, maybe that’ll puts focus on it or employer. Well anyways, we’ll leave it there. But ladies and gentlemen, that’s why Cash and what we’ve talked about and Twila talks about so much finding a doc who will take cash from you and other of these things because we really can’t wait for something to happen. You have to maybe do some other things on the side and going the cash route perhaps. So any further comment on that, make it but then go here and give us a quick update on Real id. It’s been a while since you’ve been with me. What’s happening on that if anything?

Twila Brase:

Okay, well the only thing I’ll say about it is we have our Wedge of Health Freedom and join the wedge.com. But the way back to freedom in this country and Health Freedom and Patient Freedom and Doctor Freedom is what we call the three C solution cash catastrophic coverage and charity. You put those three together and we’ll be back to a real market-based, real affordable, real patient-centered healthcare system. The payers and the payer that be, they don’t want that, but that is exactly where we need to go. Now, regarding real id, I will tell you that we are encouraging people all over the country and we are hearing from people all over the country who are going back to the DMVs and getting out of their real ID and getting a state driver’s license again. And we love to hear from people because that lets us know what’s happening.

Then we’ll have some, there’ll be a few surprises coming up from out of our camp here, but one of them I’ll just let you know is we have been working on a legal analysis to real id. I’ll say more about that probably the next time that we get together. But we are definitely moving to Stop Real ID in this country because we know where it’s going and we know how it can be used. And I was just reading an article about how some other country is using this to determine carbon credits. They said something like, we’ll know where you go, we’ll know how long you stay there. This is all about a digital ID and that’s the plan for real ideas, a digital id. And it can be used by the tyrants in a very bad way.

Sam Rohrer:

And that is the bottom line. And I’m glad to hear that you’re hearing from people who have perhaps gotten their real ID and going back and getting what in most states is a choice before it gets to the point where we’re not given the choice. And so that’s a really critical thing. Alright, just a couple minutes left before we go, any other item that we didn’t cover today, Twila, that you’d like to mention as far as update here on this matter of health freedom, anything at all?

Twila Brase:

No, but I just want to add that people can go to refuse real id.org, refuse real id.org and please share that on social media and don’t wait for your renewal period for your license. Go back and make the switch now and if your renewal period is coming up, choose not to get the real id not to get the enhanced id get a standard state driver’s license.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And again, make it clear for those who are listening a standard driver’s license, is there any downside for not getting the enhanced or the real ID just state that again,

Twila Brase:

The only downside is if you don’t want to get a passport because you can fly, there are 16 different IDs to fly and I would encourage everybody to get a passport and when you get the passport, get the passport card at the same time, it’s only like $30 more. And then use that to fly or use your standard ID and see how long they’ll let you do it because our intention is to stop this whole thing and you’ll never have to ever choose to have anything other than a standard state driver’s license. But be calm by getting a passport, but be strong by refusing to get the real id.

Sam Rohrer:

Ah, very good. I like that. Alright, well we’re at the end of the program pretty much today, ladies and gentlemen. And again, Twila Brase has been my guest on her website. I’ll give that to you again, CCH Freedom, that’s Citizens Council Health Freedom, cchfreedom.org. Information about all the things that we’ve chatted about today and I would encourage that for anything related to these items we discussed, health freedom at all. If that comes to mind as a matter of question, her site is a great place to go for that. Again, Twila, thanks for being with me today. It’s a pleasure to always have you on and listeners love having you on because it’s always good information that they can trust. So thanks so much for that. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us today on this Monday program. Join us tomorrow. We’ll be here on Wednesday, the Lord willing, Dr. Carl Broggi will be with me. We’ll be focused on Israel prophecy in the Middle East. He just came back from there. We will catch up on some major things taking place there. Thursday, David New should be with me and at this point changes can happen, but at this point, Dr. George Barna will be joining us again with the latest release of information, which is pretty amazing stuff. So all of that this week, the Lord willing. Alright, thanks for being with us again and until we meet again, stand in the gap for truth.