Take Up Your Cross and Follow Me:
The Challenge…The Rewards
September 8, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Dr. Renton Rathbun
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 9/08/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.
Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s another week where we’ll address headline news or selected cultural trends through the lens of a biblical worldview. Now today is our monthly focus on apologetics biblical worldview and education, and we do that every month with Dr. Renton Rathbun. He’s a speaker and he’s a consultant on biblical worldview instruction for BJU press. And he’s also the host of his own excellent and targeted podcast designed to help parents walk through the challenges to biblical worldview which are impacting their children. A very valuable thing for parents, and I’m going to say grandparents too, where there are children involved in education, that podcast is entitled The Renton Rathbun Show. And you can find it at the website of, let’s see, renton rathbun.com, rentonrathbun.com. Now on this program, we try to select the foundational biblical truths on this focus, I mean this focus and on all of our programs, but take biblical truths which have direct application to visible trends or characteristics in our modern day application.
Today our focus is on a command given by Jesus and recorded in three of the gospels, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, and Luke 9: 23. This command is very familiar, referenced often, but I’m going to say very little understood. And in our day in some sectors wrongly interpreted and deceptively applied. The phrase is this, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. But what did Jesus really mean when he said this? How should we apply it to ourselves today? The title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is this, take up your cross and follow me, the challenge and the rewards. Now, before I bring in Dr. Rathbun to engage this important command, let me just recall just a few of the previous programs on the last time we were together. I rehearsed and went back and looked at the programs that we had done that apply and in this focus of apologetics biblical worldview with an application to some point on education.
Now I did that last month, I’m not going to repeat them, but let me go back and just pick up the last three months of 2024 just to give you the idea of the breadth and the depth of the subjects that we are trying to address. And you can find that on our website. Just search for put in, Renton or you can put in Rathbun or Renton Rathbun by speaker and then you can find all of them. But here’s one for instance. October 28th, we did a program entitled Navigating Life and a Sea of Distrust. November 10 and 17, two days we did a part one, part two form on the theme of pragmatism and the collapse truth. That was an excellent series. November 30 was this very popular phrase, follow your heart and we entitle it, follow your heart. Well, maybe or maybe not. And then in December, second of last year, we did the life changing power of forgiveness and that program, I will tell you, I heard from multiple people across the country with life-changing results as a result of the power of forgiveness. So I just put those out there for you. Now again, our theme today to get going on that is take up your cross and follow me, the challenge and the rewards. Dr. Rathbun, thanks for being back with me.
Renton Rathbun:
Thanks for having me on this important subject,
Sam Rohrer:
Renton, before we develop more into the definition and the context and the application and the challenge and rewards that we’re going to do in today’s program, can you share the broader setting of Jesus’ command? What we’re looking at here, what was Jesus doing in this broader time of his earthly ministry, the notable event for instance, which immediately preceded him making this grip in command and whatever else you want to put in on that.
Renton Rathbun:
So the thing that we want to remember for today’s program that I think will help our listeners really wrap their head around what we’re getting at is the fact that Christianity throughout time has always been about what will you do with Christ? This is the question of the Old Testament all the way into the New Testament. What will you do with Christ? Almost, and I say this as someone that is not a historian but has heard it from historians. Almost every heresy relates somewhere back to Christ. And when it comes right down to it, when we say we’re a Christian, what we’re saying is we have come to believe that Christ is the son of God and even most importantly is God himself on earth. Now, I say that to say that Luke, as he starts talking about Christ and who he is, the whole book of Luke seems to be saying something about who this son of man is, that the son of man is God on earth.
And so if you look at Luke six, five, Christ is talking about himself being the Lord of the Sabbath. The son of man is the Lord of the Sabbath. And then you see Christ collecting his 12 disciples by Luke seven through eight. You see these miracles, these incredible miracles that we see Christ doing, all of which is to say the Messiah that has been promised in the Old Testament is here before you right now. And so he does all these amazing miracles. By the time you get to Luke nine, he has even given the disciples authority to cast out demons to heal the sick. And he sends them out and even says this, he says, take nothing for your journey. You’re just going to have to trust. You’re going to have to rely. What we see here is this practical reliance he’s demanding of his disciples.
But right after that in Luke nine, you see the feeding of the 5,000 and the disciples are perplexed. They don’t know what to do. They’re like, how are we going to feed all these people? And Christ says, what do you have these tiny two little fish and loaves of bread and miraculously he feeds all those people. So you go from a practical reliance to a miraculous reliance on Christ. And then he comes into asking them after the feeding of the 5,000, he’s miracles, all this stuff, this teaching them to be reliant. He says, who do they say that I am? And of course they get it wrong. And then he says, who do you say that I am? And what he is getting at is that same thing, what will you do with Christ? He is preparing them for this statement that is going to come out of their mouths where they say, we believe you’re the Christ of God. And so that has ramifications and that’s where we are, right? When we get to that taking up the cross statement,
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, so that’s preparation in reality, we’re not standing there on the plane after Jesus just fed the 5,000. We didn’t see that, but now we know it’s true because it’s recorded in there. So in many sense ladies and gentlemen, that question that Jesus ask his disciples, who do you say that I am? Really it’s applicable to us too. Who do we say that Jesus really is? And out of that comes this question that he puts before them, a matter of, if you’re going to follow me, then here’s some things you need to do to prove it. Alright, well we will get further into that phrase here. Again, the theme today is this, take up your cross and follow me. We’ll talk about the challenge of that and also the rewards of that. We’ll be back in just a moment. Well, you ever wonder what the phrase take up your cross and follow me means?
Well, we’re talking about that today. My special guest is Dr. Renton Rathbun. He’s with me once a month generally sometimes a little bit more. And we take important biblical truths such as this, come at it from a biblical worldview perspective and then make application to things that we’re seeing and happening around us. And then because of the nature of Dr. Rathbun as being a speaker and a consultant to BJU press on matters of biblical worldview within their curriculum development, then oftentimes there will then be some application to education. Actually there is, and everything we talk about, there’s an application to education, but that being the case, we’re just tuning in. Just to give you just a bit of a background. Now, one of the most important steps in any consideration of biblical instruction such as what we’re looking at today, and as I emphasize on this program so often in evaluating, well evaluating frankly everything in life from well, that which we hear in the media or anybody who’s speaking culturally or headline news is to do these things.
Number one, you hear what’s being said and then you consider the source who’s saying it. You got to define the terms, the words that are using because words mean things. In an our deceptive age, people are taking words that people assume to be the case and they apply something different than they control the debate. Thirdly, have to understand the context from which whatever we’re hearing is coming. And then here’s the key, compare it against the breadth I’m going to say of unchanging biblical truth. That is a biblical worldview coming to bear where at the end of the day, whatever God’s word says is the final. So we hold to our opinion, our thinking, but if God’s word changes it, we change and that is it. I’d lay that down there just as a thought going into it. Now, Renton, when I read Jesus’s command regarding taking up one’s cross, I see a clear if then process.
For instance, when I read it like this, it says, if any man will come after me, then let him decide I’m putting in then, but it’s implied, then let him deny himself and then take up his cross daily and then follow me. So if any man will come after me is the fundamental question. If anybody comes after and wants to follow Christ, then the if is followed by these three performance he she will deny himself. He, she will daily take up his cross and he that person will follow Christ. So would you briefly describe these three steps? Define them in what they mean in context. In other words, when the disciples heard these things from Jesus, what did they hear and what did Jesus want them to hear? And frankly then by application for us to hear today,
Renton Rathbun:
We have to remember the context that what we have is Jesus teaching his disciples to rely on him both practically and miraculously. This requires this denial of what we think we need to, if I can put it this way, steady the leap. So maybe you’ve heard the term, a leap of faith. We need to have a leap of faith to believe. But we always seem when it comes to that part where it says deny yourself, what are we talking about? What we’re talking about are those things that we think we kind of need in order to make the leap. So I will deny myself of course, Lord, and I’ll take up the cross Lord, of course, as long as you are rational, as long as this makes sense, as long as I have good reason to believe, then I will leap. And what Christ is saying, no, you need to deny all those things, all the conduits you think you’re holding on to so that you can then make the criteria for how you will believe and you will believe as I tell you to believe, yes, it’ll be practical belief, but it’ll be miraculous.
So this requirement of denying yourself means stop trying to find something that will make it okay for you to believe in me and believe So you can’t steady yourself before the leap. You must leap deny all those things and trust in Christ alone. And the daily part is saying, well, yes, if we’re talking about salvation, of course you are justified once, but sanctification, in other words, the work it takes to follow Christ on a daily basis is a daily work. And we find that out in Colossians three that this killing of your sin is a daily work, but taking up your cross I think is the most misunderstood. What’s interesting about that phrase is that this was a very strange thing for the disciples to hear today. We hear take up your cross and we have an entire this plethora of images and theologies and doctrines that come to our head when we think of the cross.
We have songs about the cross, but to them that was just a way to torture someone to death. In other words, what it sounded like to them was God was saying, take up your suffering unto death daily and follow me. This had to have been very strange for them to hear. But Christ had just got done talking about his own suffering and his own death and his resurrection on the third day. Then he asked, who does everyone say that I am? Who do you say that I am? Well if you want to follow me, the suffering under death is something you’ll have to do daily. You have to pick that up daily if you are going to follow me. So you have this idea of salvation and then you have this idea of holiness, a daily work of holiness in the following. And so what he’s saying is this big is something quite large that you can see why they would be confused at first, but he demands them to know these things because this is what was talked about all through the Old Testament
Sam Rohrer:
When you’re talking about taking up your cross from an historical perspective. I looked this up a little bit too, and I mean as you say, when we now as believers reflect back on Christ’s coming and why he came and his death and his burial and his resurrection, it centers on the cross. So we look back at the cross as a culmination of an event, which obviously without it we cannot be saved. So you mentioned that, but in the days when Christ was here, that was the form of execution and as you said, torturous execution. And it was actually in place for centuries before Christ came and a couple of centuries afterwards. And as I saw things, it says that when someone was told to carry their cross, it meant they were on their way to execution. So it was a different thing than the way we look at it now, anything further to say on that? Because it’s different for us looking back and say, carry your cross, pick up your cross and what it was for the disciples who at that point, whenever anybody did that, they were on their way to death.
Renton Rathbun:
That’s right. We have taken that phrase and cheapened it and even created and evil way of thinking about it. There’s a book out written by Greg Johnson. He was a pastor for many years. I think he still is a pastor, but he has come out as gay. He’s one of the people that really pushed this idea of gay Christianity. And he wrote a book entitled, Still Time to Care: What We Can Learn from the Church’s Failed Attempt to Cure Homosexuality. And so his whole idea is that homosexuality is an orientation. It is not a sin that needs to be conquered, but it’s this orientation that if you don’t act on it, you’re okay. And he refers to this orientation, the same sex attraction as being a cross that he has to take up daily. In other words, he is now saying that the cross we take up is actually the identity that might cause us to suffer.
And this new identity politics has found its way into cross taking. And so my identity as a gay Christian is this difficult suffering that I must do in order to maintain this sinful condition that I refuse to work on, which is my same sex attraction. And that’s just complete evil. Really what taking up the cross is talking about in denying yourself. It’s saying get rid of anything that you is a condition by which you must hold onto to believe Christ is my Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ beside me, Christ beneath me. That’s what I need. And so this radical reliance on Christ is what Christ is getting at. He’s talking about how we must suffer as Christ suffered. We must die as Christ died. Galatians two 20 tells us we suffer and we die with Christ. And your identity is tied into Christ, not something here on earth, not some identity you want here, but in Christ and only in Christ. And so this denial of yourself is this denial of all these things we think we need to drag with us, but rather taking up the cross is not taking up my sin and following Christ, taking up the holiness and the bitter sufferings of Christ so that I can follow
Sam Rohrer:
Ladies and gentlemen, that’s a good question to ask ourselves. Ask myself literally, are we taking up the cross? Are we denying ourselves not running to scripture to see how it can justify something that we inside want to do? But are we daily saying, Lord, no, no, no, no, no, no, not as I will, as your will be done, not conform to this world but transformed by the renewing of our mind to your work. That is all a part of what we’re talking about. We come back, we’ll further go into this theme as we go through right now, continuing on in our theme today. Take up your cross and follow me the challenge and the rewards. We’re going to look in this section here at the challenge of doing that and we actually kind of got into that a little bit in the last segment. It is not an easy thing to deny ourself.
It is not an easy thing to take up our cross with the expectation as the disciples in Jesus’ day that we were immediately placing ourself on the road to execution. That’s what it meant back in those days, anybody who took up their cross was on the way to execution, the most cruel form ever in the history of the world. So in that context, many times when we hear a command or an instruction, we hear the what portion. That’s very important of course, what to do, deny yourself. That’s a what, take up the cross, that’s a what. But behind every command of scripture, I’m going to say every parental command or law or dictate of government, there is what you do. But then there is the why is there the law, why is there the command? And until the why I have found is understood the execution of the what can actually be rather robotic or mechanical.
So it’s with this command of Jesus, why does Jesus say, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. It’s the why Renton. When I read this command of let Him deny Himself, my mind ran directly to Matthew chapter 10 and verse 33 where Jesus at other point also said some very sobering, I mean some really sobering words where he said there, but whoever denies me before men, I will also deny before my father who is in heaven. And I don’t think that’s very often understood. So here’s the question, could you tie these two commands together and how it makes take up your cross and follow me mean so much more.
Renton Rathbun:
And that brings us back to the whole point of this whole conversation. What will you do with Christ? Christ is the mediator. There is no other way to the Father except through him. He is the only way. And so if he is the only way, then he is your only hope to have an advocate so that the Father would bestow upon you forgiveness. And if Christ denies you before the Father, you have no hope. There is nothing that you can grab onto down here. There is no philosophy, there is no theological idea from any other religion that will save you. You need Christ not to deny you before the Father, but to advocate for you before the Father. And so this obviously has to do with our salvation. And so the question then comes, well then how is it that I not deny Christ here so that he will not deny me before the Father?
Well here’s the way you deny yourself here on earth and then you take up the cross. These are closely tied to just like you said, the why and the how. So the denial of self is both practical and miraculous. It’s practical in that I must reject my desire to have a part in making myself saved the way I want to be saved. But it’s also miraculous because Ephesians two says, you’re dead in your sins. There’s nothing you can do. But God in his great mercy provides the Holy Spirit that gives you the faith you need to believe. And with that faith we jump back to the practical I must believe. And so there’s not just a demand, but there’s provision that Christ gives us to follow him.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, that’s excellent. Let’s walk a little further into that and make some further application. Because what we’re talking about, you started practically and miraculously somebody in their own head. I mean each of us in their head can say, all right, deny yourself. Okay, I grasp that and take up the cross. Okay, I can understand that. In the other hand, I don’t really know what it means to deny myself. We’d probably convince ourselves of something different and take up the cross. That just becomes some kind of a theoretical thing. So here’s my question. What are some of the, I’m going to say the greatest challenges to not denying oneself and by so doing to deny Christ, it doesn’t have to necessarily be an overt action or certain words build that out just a little bit
Renton Rathbun:
So we don’t merely want to have salvation our way, we also want holiness our way. Just like you mentioned at the beginning of this, you said there’s an if then statement. If you take up then you can follow. But what we want to do is our temptation is to be the author of the if then statements. And this goes for me and this is why what we’re doing here is probably one of the most powerful conversations you can have about apologetics because this has to do with all of us. Much of the apologetics today are ways that we can find confidence in just something small, but at least something that our confidence can be driven to outside of Christ. We do this in our own hearts and I’m guilty of it myself. It is easy to say, I will follow you Christ as long as I can be the if then if I am healthy, if I have much life ahead of me, then of course I will follow you Lord.
But if I get a diagnosis, then I don’t know what to do because my confidence really was in my pride of life. That’s where my confidence was. And if you take that away, Lord, I don’t know if I can follow you because that makes it too real. We are happy to follow Christ and deny ourselves as long as Christ is reasonable enough so that we can have at least some confidence in our own understanding as Proverbs three five forbids us to do. But we do want just a little confidence in our own understanding because if we can just hold onto that, God has to be rational. Christ has to be rational. He’s not rational. I don’t know if I can follow him. And so we hold on to that little piece. And even like I mentioned with Greg Johnson as Jude, the book of Jude warns us, there are those that will allow culture to define how it is. We can follow Christ even down to the lust of our flesh. And so the lust of my flesh, if I can just hold onto a little bit of that Lord, then I will follow you. And that temptation always corrupts this denial.
Sam Rohrer:
And Renton, it makes me think of this. We talk about sobering things. Jesus said, if you deny me here, I will deny you before the Father. But it also makes me think of the passage where Jesus said in the day when we stand before him, there’ll be many, many people who come before him and say, but didn’t we do all these good things in your name? And clearly they would’ve called themselves Christians in this life they would have done and manifested a lot of things they thought was just fine and appropriate. And Jesus said, depart from me. I never knew you. I’ve often said those words are the most gripping words of all of scripture. Wow. But that’s what you’re talking about here. There are far more who may think they’re denying themselves when in fact they are not and not taking up the cross of Christ as based on what Christ just said there before. So answer that if you want to, but then also this question, get it in here. That was a challenge. That’s some of the challenges. But what is the reward or the rewards to denying oneself and truly taking up one’s cross? What’s the benefit, the reward of that?
Renton Rathbun:
It’s interesting, what I’m talking about sounds impossible because the flesh within us just desperately wants to hold onto something we can see, touch, feel, or reason with in order to be able to use that to rely on Christ. And Christ says, no, I don’t want you to use any of that. And so there are many people that will be something we fight with. But there are those like we talked about that has given into that temptation and they will be the ones who will be told, I never knew you, but the rewards, all the rewards to those that have believed. And this is that practical miraculous reliance. There’s a practicality of do this, but then there needs to be something miraculous because we look at it, we thought, I don’t know if I can do that, Lord. In fact, I know I can’t. I know I will put my trust in my pride of life.
I know I will put my trust and the confidence of my own understanding. I know that the lust of my flesh are going to push into this. Can you help me? And the rewards is that Christ of course says Of course I can help you. And Ephesians one is so clear about that Ephesians one tells us that all of these gifts that the Lord wants to give us the ability to believe, and even that he foreknows and all those sort of things are ours through Christ. It is not that Christ just merely asks us to do something hard. He makes it possible through his power. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.
Sam Rohrer:
Ladies and gentlemen, I hope and trust that as you’re listening to this, that you have put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ, that you have in fact come to know that we are more than conquerors through him who loved us and gave himself for us. And that is a part of all that we’re talking about denying ourself here, taking up our cross and following Christ truly following him, doing what he says, not what we want, but what he said. We come back, we’re going to conclude with implications and consequences of what we talked. Well as we go into our final segment, thanks for being with us today. And thank you also for a number of you last week. I’ve been saying all along, if you’ve never written to us, please do so. If God is blessing you through this program, let us know how.
And I actually have got several letters that have just come in and I’m not going to read right now. I’ll probably do that maybe on Wednesday, read some of them. But so very, very powerful how God is using this program in the lives of so many people in helping to connect. And I’m going to say people who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Scripture tells us we make a choice to pursue truth and if we do, we will find it. But we have to choose just like what we’re talking about today. If we are going to choose to follow Christ, then certain things will happen. If we want to know the truth, we have to choose to pursue it and then God will make it possible to bring it to light. And it’s so wonderful to be able to hear from so many of you exactly how God is just taking principles that are being shared here.
And some have said just completely revolutionized their life. One said, set me free from, I’m going to say enslaving mentality, not knowing what scripture actually says and then finding that. So all of that is just a wonderful thing. So if you have not reach out to us, if you have not chosen to make it a part of your daily or at least weekly prayer life to pray for us, please do that. And the same thing goes for partnering with us financially. These programs, it costs money like everything. And I do know I am less like all of you. I go to the store and things are more expensive. We all know that. But at the same time, God will meet our needs. So I would say if God is blessing you by participating and partnering with financially, you will not only help us, but you’ll also lay up treasure in heaven.
And that is something of a critical nature. So on is going to put that out there. And then I will move on here now. Alright, Renton, like all biblical instruction, a proper understanding is critical. And that’s what we’re trying to do in this command of Jesus today, is to properly understand it and then that allows us to make proper application. But choosing to make the right choice is the matter of free will. God gave it to us. We are not made robots. We have an ability to choose and it’s God’s will that all people would make the right choice to fear him and keep his commandments. We know biblically, ladies and gentlemen, that God did not make people descend them to hell. Like some would say hell was for the devil and his cohorts who rebelled against God as created beings, human beings made an image of God.
Sin came. And now the whole plan of redemption is about God establishing a way that we can be reconciled back to him. And that’s part of what we’re talking about today. But one verse in scripture that really makes it very, very clear about this matter of choice, Deuteronomy 30 19 says this, God has put before us two paths in the consequences and implications couldn’t be more distinct. In that verse, it says this, I call heaven and earth to record this day before you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life that both thou and thy seed may live forever will. So we have a choice. That’s the whole point. Renton, what are some of the implications of wrong understanding and of reliance on this? Deny yourself and take up your cross daily command, but to approach it wrongly. What are some of the implications? And then walk from that into some implications and consequences of the right compliance, right understanding of this part. Deny yourself and take up your cross. Okay,
Renton Rathbun:
A lot of people don’t know this, but in basic training in the military, you have to take several classes. It’s not just a bunch of running and pushups and living out in the woods. There’s actually classes you have to take. And I sometimes wonder how many people would be interested just if I just put it out there, how many would like to take a class on disassembling an automatic weapon and then reassembling it? That’s one of the classes. Another class is that if you’re captured and tortured, these are the steps you take. If you’re captured by the enemy and tortured or another class, how do you follow maps with a compass? To a lot of people, they would not find those classes very interesting. Some people might, you got different kinds of people, but in the end, who would really be interested in those classes?
Well, the people interested in those kinds of things are soldiers that are well aware of the suffering unto death that they have agreed to in being a soldier. So assembling or disassembling and resembling a weapon becomes very interesting to you because this could save your life. Being captured and knowing what’s coming and knowing how to handle that stress is going to be very important to a soldier because they know, they see it coming, they fear it and want to know how to deal with it. Not getting lost is desperately important to a soldier. They need to know where they are. And so suddenly all those things become vastly important because of who they are. I worry about people that call themselves Christian and become very bored when it comes to the commands of the Lord that this whole thing is just so boring to them.
And why wouldn’t it be boring if this is not who you really are? See, when Christ says, take up your cross, deny yourself, take up your cross. That becomes vital information. And you are dying to know what that means if you are one of his. If you’re a soldier of Christ, you want to know what it means to deny yourself. You want to know what it means to take up that cross daily and follow him and what it means to join in his sufferings and to be dead with Christ and alive with Christ. All that becomes so important. And so this is why in Ephesians chapter one, verse 18 through 19, it says, you need to know, Paul is telling d Ephesians, I am praying for you that you will know the hope of his calling. What are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints? And what is the surpassing greatness of his power toward us who believe this has to be fascinating and glorious to a soldier?
His heart has eyes that have been opened because they are anticipating the suffering unto death. A soldier is anticipating the hope of coming home and finally being where he belongs. This is our hope. So when it comes to what are the benefits and the implications of a true understanding of denying yourself, it’s that the eyes of your heart will enlightened so that you may know the riches of God’s holiness and those riches are yours because you are in Christ and there is no more condemnation. Your faith begins to increase and you rely less and less on your own understanding. And the ways that you want to believe are no longer relevant anymore because you are relying more and more on Christ and God’s sovereign authority over your life
Sam Rohrer:
And Renton, that brings us right up to the end. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen. I hope that you’ve been encouraged by this and that perhaps this well is command. If you’ll follow me, deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me is better understood today because certainly if we can do this through the help of the Holy Spirit, it’ll be the best manifestation and the shining of our salt and light and the gospel to those around us. Anything we can do because the world will see this commitment. Dr. Renton Rathbun, thanks so much for being with me. To God bless you ladies and gentlemen. We’ll see you back here tomorrow.
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