The Growing Israel Divide

The Growing Israel Divide

September 24, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Dr. Carl Broggi

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 9/24/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also our bimonthly focus on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. And what a time to be focusing on these three things: with the gathering of the United Nations this week their vote on splitting up God’s promised land to the nation of Israel. They’re endorsing of a two-state solution with the promise of peace and security. Literally the words as a part of the resolution, peace and security, the focus on Israel increases, it increases as Jerusalem becomes increasingly a burdensome stone for all people. As prophesied in Zechariah 12 three. And when combined with the comments regarding Israel for and against, as precipitated by the event dominating the last week’s, the murder of Charlie Kirk division and confusion regarding Israel and what God says about Israel is being promoted and it’s frankly growing within the Christian community itself.

So it’s appropriate to identify again about what God says about Israel, his promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and how believers should interpret the events of the day. My returning guest, again to discuss these things as Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina, and most of his own program as well, search the scriptures.org. And I know many of you listening have communicated to me you appreciate these focuses and his preaching as I certainly do as well. The title I’ve chosen to frame our conversations today is this, the Growing Israel Divide, the Growing Israel divide. And with that, I welcome back to the program Dr. Carl Broggi. Thank you for being back with me, Carl.

Carl Broggi:

Well, good morning, Sam. It’s great to be with you as always. And in light of these last few weeks, you’ve selected a really critical topic concerning this divide over the people of Israel. So I’m glad we can

Sam Rohrer:

Discuss it and I’m glad that you can be a part of this. And frankly, before we get into that, specifically, you just returned from a couple of weeks in Israel. You led a tour there, as you often do. Here’s just a general question just to get us going. While you were there this time, did you notice or sense anything different while you spent time there in Israel this trip compared to earlier?

Carl Broggi:

Well, immediately when you arrived at the airport, it seemed empty. They had just resumed international flights. And so when you go to all these different biblical sites to speak around the Mount of Olives and you’re usually fighting for a spot, I say fighting but competing for a spot and there’s 50 tour buses up there, there was two, the mount of beatitudes, there was one bus there other than our own where there’s usually 300 at first, we’re the only people in Capernaum. So it’s extremely empty because people are still wrought with fear, I suppose, tourists from all over the world. But in one sense it’s safer than before. The long range surface to air missiles have basically been obliterated in Iran. Their air force greatly incapacitated and their nuclear capacity was melted into the side of a mountain. But secondly, I would say, Sam, the people are divided over this hostage issue.

There’s one side who says free them even if it means a peace agreement the other side, and we’re talking about a hundred thousand people protesting in Tel Aviv. On the other side, it’s victory at all costs, even if it means having to lose the 20 or so that are still alive. So there’s that point of division within the country. And of course if you have a relative, you’d say, I’ll do anything to save my son to get him home. And I understand that. And then there’s a growing resentment over the ultra Orthodox Jews who don’t serve in the IDF. So there are gradations of Orthodox Jews only about 15% serve and you recognize him with the yarmulke or the women will have a full skirt, but 85% do not. And that has really irritated a lot of people.

Sam Rohrer:

That’s interesting. And I can see that division, division, and I want to go now into this now between the UN’s action, the two state solution, the world is aligning against Israel, we can see that it’s clear the numerous commentators like Tucker Carlson and others have seized the murder of Charlie Kirk, for instance, to either blame the murder on Mossad or at least to advance the differing views of Israel and US toward policies toward Israel. So there’s a blending that I think the blending of turning points, Donald Trump political policies toward Israel and what the Bible actually says about Israel has become more confused now, not less. And therein is where I’d like to go with my first question. Well, it may be obvious it’s worth restating from a macro perspective, why are the gentile nations, the United Nations, put them that way? Why are they so protective of Israel’s enemies and hostile toward Israel and why is there such increasingly hostile rhetoric toward Israel now even from within the professing Christian community?

Carl Broggi:

Well, it’s a great question. We often say as the United States Church goes and as the US goes, so goes the world and the US has fundamentally changed perspective, especially in evangelicalism concerning Israel. And that’s largely due to replacement theology. The idea that the church has permanently replaced Israel, God has no future for her. So you have covenant theologians like RC Sproul, NT Wright, who is nothing but NT wrong with a lot of the heresies he’s taught. So there’s that side, this rejection of the distinction between Israel and the church. We often refer to that as dispensationalism, almost like that’s some dirty word. But I think on top of that, you have this whole social justice movement where kids on college campuses are being taught a form of Marxism, the oppressor versus the oppressed. And so the Palestinians are victims and Israel is the oppressor and young men and women are being taught this and they’re believing it hook, line, and sinker, and they have no framework biblically in which to evaluate.

So you’ve got a number of reasons, but I think the principle reason is it’s satanic the devil’s behind it. He was behind the attempts to stop Christ coming the first time, whether it’s the murder of Cain or demons intermarrying to destroy the human race or Pharaoh killing all the baby boys or Talia trying to wipe out the Judaic, the line of Judah or Herrod’s murder plot or King Herod’s slaughter of the babies, which the Revelation tells us was inspired by the devil himself. He failed at point A in destroying the coming Messiah. So now he’s trying to destroy the Jewish people so that Messiah will have no one to rule over. And the Scripture predicts this, it prophesies it a number of places, and I think that is largely what is underwriting much of the evil that we see in our day.

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen, that was about as clear. I think Carl as could be stated. At the end of the day, ladies and gentlemen, we talk about so much what we are witnessing, where we see physical events and physical killings and physical war. We know biblically that there is spiritual warfare in the highest of places and that’s why Dr. Carl Broggi took it to where he was. Ultimately, this is Satanic effort to try and derail God’s plan of redemption, which is laid out in biblical prophecy. He will fail. But we also know from what the Bible says, the road is going to get increasingly bumpy for those here on earth. Anyways, we’re going to go further into that and deal with some of the more common questions that are arising out of this. For instance, why do we support Israel? What does the Bible say about blessing and cursing and what does that mean to Israel?

We’re going to go through these in the next two segments. Well, if you’re just joining us today, thanks for being on board. Our focus today are the theme that are titles, put it that way, which I generally try to do to frame the direction of the program is this the Growing Israel divide. And my special guest today, so glad to have him back, is Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina has his own podcast and it does a lot of q and a. And that’s what we’re going to do with the bounce of the program basically goes some q and a on some of the key questions surrounding Israel and the increasing hostility we see by both, I’m going to put it this way, by the gentile world, leaders who hate God clearly and Jesus Christ specifically, but also within the division within those who profess to be a part of the church.

And so we’re going to go further into that right now with this, one of the most commonly recognized versus supporting Israel comes from Genesis 12, three. I referred to that in last segment. Carl, you’ve commented on this, actually we both talked about this in the last program or one of the last programs that we’ve done in regard to a Tucker Carlson interview with Senator Ted Cruz, which actually centered on this verse. And unfortunately as I’ve watched and kind of rewatched that Senator Cruz unfortunately was not adequately prepared and somewhat stumbled on this verse and I think missed a great opportunity for clarity in that setting. But it does emphasize the need to understand what I think what this verse really means. So let’s start with this. What does God really mean? What did God mean when he gave that bless and curse promise, which says this in that verse, I will bless them that bless thee and curse them or curse him that curse of thee. And then if you could combine into your answer to this question, Carl, what has arisen I think as a result of the Charlie Kirk time remembrance and that is this, I actually have heard some saying that, well, yeah, that verse is pretty clear, but it does not pertain to Israel. It was limited specifically to Abraham because Israel as a nation had not yet come into being. So anyways, explain that verse if you don’t mind.

Carl Broggi:

Yeah. So when God said to Abraham, I will make you a great nation, to me that’s just basic reading comprehension, which tells you right off, it’s not a singular person but a nation of people that was still to be made. Yes, they didn’t exist. Abraham and Sarah were the first two who were involved and used by God to form this new nation. And what a blessing they’ve been some 4,000 years later, here we are discussing them and he says, I will bless you and make your name great again. It’s still future hadn’t happened yet. So you shall be a blessing. And then he gives a warning, and I’ll bless those who bless you and the one who curses you, I will curse. So how do we bless Israel? I think we spoke on this two or three programs ago, one by I think defending her rights to exist as a people in Deuteronomy, I think it’s a 32nd chapter.

God describes Israel as the apple of his lie. It’s a kind of a protective love. And I’m just turning here to another passage in Zechariah and here it says in Zechariah two, for thus says the Lord of hosts of glory, he has sent me against the nations, which apples to you for a he who touches you, touches the apple of my eye. So God again describes her as the apple of his eye. Literally the Hebrew says the little man of his eye, meaning the pupil. And again, it implies something that is precious and in need of protection in God’s supervision, in his commitment. One, we should defend her right to exist as a people. When we mess with that, we’re messing with God. Secondly, her right to own the land that God gave, he said here in verse one of the Abrahamic, covenant and Genesis go forth from your country and from your relatives and from your father’s house to the land I will show you.

And he spells it out in Genesis 15 that it’s a piece of property from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates. And that was never realized in Israel’s history, never has been even at the height under David and Solomon, which tells you since God is a promise keeping God and since the covenant that he makes in Genesis 15 or reaffirms is unconditional, it’s not based on Israel’s faithfulness, it’s unilateral that he’s still going to keep that promise and that puts a covenant and reformed theology on very, very shaky ground. In fact, in the future, Sam and the prophet Joel, I’m just turning there now and he says this, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehosaphat. We call it the Kidron Valley today. Then I will enter into judgment with them on behalf of my people and my inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and they have divided up my land.

So God closely identifies the land with himself, he calls it my land. And we would be very foolish to divide it. And then third, I think we can bless Israel by standing up against the anti-Semites of our day. In fact, in the olivet discourse in Matthew 25, we looked at many, many months ago at different kinds of judgments. And one judgment is the judgment of the nations. And there’s three groups of people, the sheep, the goats, and my brethren. So the way people treat my brethren, the Jewish people will display whether or not they’re born again gentiles or whether they’re goats unbelieving gentiles. So we should stand up for Israel. And when we have movements like BD, s and entire so-called Christian denominations, the boy boycott, divest and sanction to go against the Jewish people, I would say to anyone listening, if they’re in a church like that, they should leave because they want God’s blessing on their own life and not to be a part of a group that is going against Israel.

And then fourth and finally I’d say that the bless Israel is to share the gospel with her. Israel is an ignorance in Romans 10, Paul says, for they being ignorant of God’s righteousness in seeking to establish their own, have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God. By the way, that’s the way a lot of Gentiles are today. They’re in ignorance. They think they can get right before God by the things they do rather than through the gifted righteousness that comes in the basis of Christ’s death. But the ignorance that they have is partial. Well, he speaks not of a total hardening but a partial hardening, which tells me there are Jewish people who will respond to the gospel and we should try to evangelize them. I was in Jerusalem last week, there’s 33,000 born again messianic Jews in the city of Jerusalem that meet in follow Yeshua’s the Messiah.

And so one of the things we’re admonished to do in Psalm 122 is to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. And when you pray for the peace of Jerusalem, you’re praying for their mass conversion because only the Messiah can bring that peace and the Messiah cannot return. Matthew’s gospel tells us until, which is a time indexed word, until the Jewish people say blessed is he referring to Jesus who comes in the name of the Lord. So we curse Israel when we deny their right to exist. We curse Israel when we deny their right to the land. And the Hamas charter, I think it’s Article 28, don’t quote me on that. It spells out that the Jewish people are to be eliminated off of that ground we call Israel. And that’s basically being fed and supported by replacement theology in our day. So I’m grateful for Israel and for the blessing that we receive from them. We have a savior, we have the book that we’re discussing today all from the Jewish people

Sam Rohrer:

That is so well stated. Let me go further into that because it’s into some of that further breakout that some people are confused maybe. And that is this, we are witnessing what’s most prominent now are let’s say national policies. Even the folks like Tucker Carlson and others that don’t want any support to Israel are saying, look, we’re spending taxpayer money. We ought not be doing that. And so support is often linked to financial support or however that may be. So that’s all kind of floating around out there in that general pot. But some will say, but we’re not opposed to Israel. We’re not saying destroy the land of Israel or we, whatever. But we’re saying don’t help them. So here’s my question, and you may have to take it over to the next segment, but does the bless and curse promise and what you just talked through right there and you’ve made it clear what it is, the land, the people and so forth, meaning because some get confused on that. They think that if we say no to Israel regarding anything they do, we’ve cursed them. If we disagree with anything that they do, we’ve cursed them. Therefore to bless Israel, we have to support everything they do politically, militarily and all of that. And therefore, alright, so is it that, is it unilateral support for everything that the political government of Israel does or is it more to align with the elements of God’s Abrahamic covenant that you just talked about with the land and all of that?

Carl Broggi:

Well, if we want to see Israel blessed righteousness exalts a nation, it’s really said in reference to Israel though we can apply it to other nations, but sin is we reproach to any people. So if we really love Israel, we want to support policies that are reflective of biblical truth. Red, white and blue flows through my veins. I have two sons who are marine officers, one who is right now in a troubled spot of the world. Does that mean that I support everything the American government does? Certainly not. We need to be discerning and we need to be discerning on Israel. But when Israel stands for righteousness, we should stand for them as well and do everything we can to protect her. And God will bless America if we do that. If we don’t, we’re in deep

Sam Rohrer:

Trouble. And ladies and gentlemen, hope you get that. We’re going to go further into some other questions, but ultimately at the end of the day, everything that we evaluate all around us must be through the pages of scripture. If we make that our lens and go accordingly, we’re on safe ground. Stay with us. We’ll be back and continue with some more questions in just a minute. Well, our theme today is the growing Israel divide. And certainly we can see that all around us, some driven by theological positions such as replacement theology and those who hold to that who think that Israel really has no continual right to exist. And we’ve talked about that before to the nations of the world driven by the spirit of antichrist itself that does not like Israel because of God’s promises to Israel. So all of that is all intertwined.

We’re trying to deal with some questions here. Now, Dr. Carl Broggi, my guest again today trying to work through some of these things together. Let’s just leave where we were last segment, Carl, regarding approaching policies that Israel may put in place as believers, we need to approach all of those things through the lens of scripture. So understanding that whether it is our president or a Prime Minister Netanyahu or the Knesset of Israel or the Congress of the United States, when they do that which is biblically reflective, then we praise and we encourage. But when they take positions hostile to God and the word of God, then we must of a responsibility speak against it. And that’s basically what you just talked about. So it’s not a unilateral support of all things, but we have to be discerning. Now let me go here and slightly change and you can come back, you can comment further on that part if you want to.

But I want to go here on September 12th, just some days ago, there was a vote by the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly about 140 nations of the 193 approximately voted for it. Some abstained, only a couple really voted against it United States and Israel. But that vote was to divide the land of Israel giving a separate state to the Palestinians. I think it’s significant now in reality, it perhaps is some would say more symbolic at this point for this reason. And that is that the UN at the moment does not have a means to enforce it. However, the vote is further aligning I think the nations of the world into a common position regarding Israel. And certainly that vote that they put up puts them right on the record. Absolutely. And then Donald Trump’s comments before the United Nations yesterday as a do nothing body is somewhat true.

And I think that’s interesting, but I’ve also been thinking more about that and I think his comments were carefully worded because in these comments he condemned the United Nations for their do nothing posture and actually accused them of actually attacking national sovereignty by encouraging illegals to cross sovereign borders. And that’s exactly true. They did that in the Gaza. But on the other hand, he did not condemn the United Nations formative purpose as a piece ensuring body of the world, which is what they say they were put together for. So he didn’t say that the purpose was wrong, he just said that their ability and effort to go about it was wrong. And it was almost like it was a challenge for the United Nations to become stronger and to find a way to actually enforce its peacemaking mission. Now that’s what I just said. There is my opinion as I’m looking what’s taking place, but within the United Nations resolution on the two state solution, they say this, these words are there guarantee peace, prosperity, and security for all peoples of the region.

And according to the official UN statement, this is what they say, the broader commitment by UN member states is to take tangible time bound and irreversible steps toward a peaceful resolution of the conflict, emphasizing that only a political solution can deliver lasting peace and security. And Carl, in that I’m thinking in effect, a statement can serve as the basis for a peace and safety statement. It says nothing about a seven year peace treaty as Daniel talks about, but it certainly could become the basis for a rising world leader to affirm the statement. Here’s my question, share again from scripture. The conditions and the details known from scripture about the agreement out of which peace and safety will, I’m going to say likely soon come. What do you think about all this?

Carl Broggi:

Well, your comments about the UN are right on. I’ve been waiting for this meeting because it was announced two, three months ago and it was 142 in favor, 10 against a dozen who abstained. Thank God that the US stood with Israel and they voted against dividing the land. But what they’re doing concerning Israel is exactly what God says in Joel chapter three and verse two, that he’s going to use partially as a basis for judgment because to mess with that land is to mess with God almighty and is to show your utter unbelief. With that said, I do believe the stage being set now whether God uses the United Nations or not in the process after the church is raptured, we don’t know, but we do know in Daniel nine, which you referenced a moment ago in Daniel 9 24 through 27, which is kind of the Mount Everest of the book of Daniel, he speaks about 490 years into Israel’s future and he divides the prophecy into 70 sevens and of course 70 sevens of what?

And so 70 weeks of years is the way a lot of English bibles translate it. And you might think, oh, this is 77 day weeks. But in Jewish mind to this day, they not only have a week of days like we do a seven day week, they have a week of years. And so God having dealt with 490 years of Israel pats looks into 490 years of Israel’s future. And he speaks that after the 69 weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing and the people of the prince who to come will destroy the city. And the sanctuary that was literally fulfilled the end of the 69th week brought us to Palm Sunday. It’s actually a mathematical prophecy. I have five messages on it, just preached on it last Sunday, tried to put five messages into one. But it brings you to Palm Sunday based on a starting point in an ending point.

And the starting point is in calm secular history. I used to say like the encyclopedia botanical list, but people don’t know what an encyclopedia is today, but it brought us to Palm Sunday and then after that time, Messiah would be cut off and the city would be destroyed. And that’s exactly what happened. And so there’s a space of time between the death of the Messiah and the 70th week or the final seven years of human history. I often tell my Jewish friends I did at a Shabbat table last Friday, I said, if you’re looking for a candidate for the Messiah, he has to be cut off or executed before the city of Jerusalem and its sanctuary is destroyed. And that happened in 70 ad and Jesus was that Messiah, the first one ever to proclaim to be Messiah in Israel’s history that said there’s a final seven years that is still in the future.

And so when the antichrist comes on the scene, he is going to try to convince the Jewish people that they need him. And so it says he will make Daniel 9 27 a firm covenant, a great covenant depending on your translation with the many, the many being the people of Israel. That’s how he uses the phrase throughout the book of Daniel. He’ll make a firm covenant with Israel, you could say for seven years. But in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offerings. And Jesus quotes this, he’s reading off of Daniel 9 27 in the all of it discourse. He said, when you see the antichrist go in and commit the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet, not the historian but the prophet Daniel, you should get out of dodge because all wrath is going to break loose like we’ve never seen before.

And so the fact that Israel is back in the land that has to happen in order for this to be fulfilled. And after 1900 years, God regathered them. The fact that Jerusalem is now under Israeli control, not out of a war that they provoked, but a war that they were attacked under. And the fact that there are plans to rebuild the temple. So this future event will literally actually happen. We were in the Temple Institute last week and there’s a model of the future temple. There’s full architectural plans. They’ve reproduced every article of clothing, every piece of furniture for a future temple with the exception of one. And I asked them the last time I was in there, I said, I see everything but the Ark of the Covenant. And they said, because we know where it is. With that said, the stage is being set for this seven year covenant and God is using things to bring Israel back just as he had predicted that he would do. At the end of time, the replacement theologians had concluded God’s done with Israel, nothing’s happened for 1900 years. And then God did something spectacular. And that’s what we’re witnessing today.

Sam Rohrer:

This is speculation. We don’t know about this, but we do know about this covenant that the antichrist, this political figure is going to come on the scene and he’s going to make this agreement and it says he will affirm in agreement this peace and security. I look at the language of that UN resolution. I say, well, peace and security is pretty close to peace and safety as scripture exactly used. But now you have the Abrahamic accord sitting here on one hand, but now you have the body of the world, the global gentile government body of the world having this agreement using almost the same languages. I don’t know what you think about that. Do you think this supersedes Abraham like a covenant or something comes new? It could be this one

Carl Broggi:

Thing is

Sam Rohrer:

What do you

Carl Broggi:

Think? I absolutely agree with you. The only point I would make is the UN can’t pull this off. Only the antichrist will be able to. And that’s because Paul says when he steps on the scene, he will come with signs, wonders, and miracles. People are going to faint at his feet because of the satanic power, which they think is godly power, but the satanic power that he’s going to display and they’ll follow this guy even Israel initially.

Sam Rohrer:

Yep. So ladies and gentlemen, you get that, but you have the framework right now. You have the framework now has been done again by these Gentile nations or United Nations actually using the words peace and security. They say guarantee it, they can’t stay with us. We’ll conclude. Well, as we go into our final segment here for today, the growing Israel divide has been our focus. And I think all of you listening to the program now know that that is happening. We see it all around us. And sometimes the question is why we’ve tried to deal with some of those earlier in the program. But I’d like to conclude with just coming back and focusing on the importance of knowing biblical prophecy, understanding and interpret what the Bible says correctly. And we’ve already alluded to some of that because if we believe that God’s word is authoritative and we know and we’re going to talk about this on Friday’s program, when Dr. George Barnett joins us here, his latest research is clearly indicating that even those who profess to be born again don’t really believe that sin exists.

A large percentage, we’ll talk about that on Friday. But if God’s word is not authoritative, then well, something else then becomes the authority. Could be ourself, could be other things, and therein is the problem. But we want to anchor on the authority of God’s word and what the Bible says. Carl, you’re about to begin. You said last Sunday you preached a multi five weeks into one relative to prophecy unfolding. I think you’re about to begin a week of prophecy teaching at your church. We’ve talked about it here on the program before and part that’s why we do this emphasis on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. And that’s because it is so important. But in terms of what we’re even talking about today, again, why should true believers be interested in biblical prophecy and why did God give us these insights into the days in which we live?

Carl Broggi:

Wow, that’s great question, Sam. Well, about a third of the scripture is prophetic in nature. So if a pastor is going to teach the whole council God, he can’t ignore prophecy. Now there are people who would want me to speak on future things every single week because of their great interest and people should have a great interest. One of the crowns, there’s five crowns listed in scripture that God rewards his people with we’re saved by grace, not by works, but in heaven. We’re rewarded for the service that we do and the power of the Holy Spirit. And that service is indexed by the way we think. And when we think about future things, it causes us to love his appearing. And so the crown of righteousness is given to those who love his appearing. And so prophecy should be taught, it shows us that God is in control.

People think, well, the world’s falling apart. It’s not. It’s coming together. God is setting the stage for the climax of history, which is the return of his son. It will encourage someone to be different in almost every passage in the New Testament where the return of Christ, either in catching up the church or in the final segment of the second coming program where he comes to the earth, there is a ex as to how we should live. John says, we know that when he appears talking about Jesus will be like him because we will see him just as he is in everyone who has this hope set on him, purifies himself as he is pure. So if we’re living with the expectation that the Lord is coming, it changes our behavior today in two Peter three where he deals much with the return of Christ and how a day will come when God will literally melt the heavens and the earth and create a new heaven and a new earth.

And then he’ll say that in light of this, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct in godliness? And again, prophecy drives us to a change of life to want to please the Lord, to whom we’ll give an account someday. Prophecy brings comfort. When Paul and I always preach one Thessalonians four that speaks of the return of Christ and you’re dealing with a loved one who’s laying in that casket in front of you. And Paul will say, the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel, the dead in Christ will rise first we are alive and remain will be caught up in the air different from the second coming where he comes to the earth. We meet the Lord in the air. We call that the catching up from the Latin, the rapture. And so word to comfort one another with these words. And so a study of prophecy brings comfort, it brings perspective, and it certainly should motivate us in sharing the gospel with those who are lost. It should drive us to sharing the gospel because a day is coming when it’s going to be summed up whether the Lord comes in a hundred years or next week, it shouldn’t change our obedience to the command to preach the gospel to every creature under heaven. And he uses us in different capacities in that process. But all of us are to be involved in praying, seeking for men and women and boys and girls to find the forgiveness that can only come through Jesus.

Sam Rohrer:

And to all that you said there, I say amen and amen because that’s exactly what the scripture says. And here we don’t have much time left, but I got to ask you this because the disciples actually went to Jesus and said, how can we know when the time is? And Jesus gave the example of you look at the stars. I mean look at the sun in the sky and you’re so, there are things that scripture tells us that gives indications. As you already said, Israel is back in the land. So things start when you look at what the Lord gives us as indications of not the rapture, indications of the tribulation period in that last week of Daniel. Is there anything really, Carl, as you’re looking at it that is not on the table or moving anyway, what are your thoughts on that? It seems like so much is right on the table happening converging, increasing in intensity and frequency.

Carl Broggi:

Well, God clearly says Sam, that in the latter years in the last of human history and there’s been 6,000 years of human history, God would gather the Jews from the four corners of the world and put them back in the land. That didn’t happen for 1900 years. But here are the Jewish people, the only people who have been off their land for a few thousand years. You don’t meet Mr. And Mrs. Ammonite or Mr. And Mrs. Canaanite, but you meet Jewish people in the same land with the same name, Israel speaking, the same language that has been revived and still practicing the same Jewish rights because God has his hand. So we know we’re in the final timeframe of human history because God tells us when you see them regathered in the land, that’s this final timeframe that sets the stage for the coming tribulation period.

When I look at Revel, I mean Matthew 24, 4 through 14, he’s describing the birth pangs, which I take it because these verses perfectly parallel the seal judgments of Revelation six, that the birth pangs in the true stent are still future. But to have birth pangs, you have to have a pregnancy. And I believe that we’re near full term and that if anything, we’re seeing the Braxton Hicks contractions because God said at the end of time there’ll be mass apostasy. And that’s what we’re seeing. We’re seeing more and more people turning away from the truth of the Bible and rationalizing scripture. We’re seeing the days of no, which are days of lawlessness and violence and sexual immorality. As you study Genesis six, we’re seeing the days of Lot that coming to the son of man will also be like the days of lot which are days of perversion, homosexuality, widespread global, even in places like Israel.

Tel Aviv is what San Francisco is to the United States. And so we’re seeing all these things being lined up and in place. And this Sunday we’ll be dealing with Dr. Price with ready to rebuild, which you need a rebuild temple for 24 15 to take place when you see the abomination of desolation take place. So all these things collectively happening together, tell us we’re very close. Look, if I knew he was coming in five years, I’d still get up tomorrow, go to work, support my family, pay the bills, do everything that I’m supposed to do. I don’t know when he is coming for sure, but I am to live like he died yesterday, rose from the dead this morning and is coming again this afternoon. We need to live with that sense of expectation and the fact that the table is set, our eyes should be wide open when sadly, most Christians are fast asleep.

Sam Rohrer:

Dr. Carl Broggi, thank you. May the Lord bless you. I thank you so much for your ministry and for spending time with us. Search the scriptures.org, ladies and gentlemen, his website. So much good information there. And we thank you for being with us today. Ladies and gentlemen, I pray and we do before we put the programs together, that the Holy Spirit would use it to bring insight and edification to those with ears to hear. Hopefully that is you. And may we all be encouraged more greatly than ever the return of Christ is at the door. Are we actually living like it? I pray that we are.