The Looming Digital ID: When to Say No!

October 22, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Dr. Carl Broggi

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 10/22/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also our bimonthly emphasis on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. And sometimes we deal with all of them wrapped up together. Sometimes we focus just primarily on Israel or just the Middle Eastern things or biblical prophecy. It pulls together all of them. But today, Dr. Carl Broggi, who’s with me regularly on this program, he’s senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina. He joins me again today as the Lord willing. We’re going to discuss an issue touches on all of those really, but it centers on biblical prophecy and it’s about an issue. Well, it’s been a source of intrigue and I’m going to sit this way and wonder and fear and a whole lot of speculation and this issue and the talk surrounding it. Well, frankly, it’s been the focus of sermons for hundreds of years.

It’s the theme of movies and books and now dominating social media and the internet with the rise of artificial intelligence and the imminent adoption of a global digital ID linking government and industry with finances and health and travel and investments and buying and selling within the framework of 24 hour surveillance and tracking and social credit scores and more. All of those things we’ve talked about, you’re familiar with those? This issue, when it combines all these things, well, it comes forward and it demands a response. Now you say, well, what are you talking about? Well, the consideration is this, it’s of a digital ID that on its face, it’s not scary for most people because we’ve really gotten into the system. But when that data is linked and tied to 24 hour surveillance and credit scores as is used in China and is used against people limiting their freedom to work and to travel and to live a normal life, well then things change.

And it’s the specter of total government control of all people that merges a digital ID into a global system that now brings with it the issue of dread to nearly all people. I’m going to say whether believers or unbelievers, such a merger, digital id, global system tracking and all that begins to look very much like the prophetically identified end times mark of the beast, doesn’t it? And we know that taking that mark is costly, eternal death in the lake of fire, no hope for salvation. That’s a big deal. So how should all people today consider these things, and particularly the person who is God fearing as we are seeing these things come close that are actually resembling a lot of this idea and what’s what we’re going to talk about, the title I’ve chosen to frame our conversation today is simply this, the Looming digital id, when to say No. And with that, Dr. Carl Bruge, thanks for being back again. Always a pleasure.

Carl Broggi:

Thanks Sam for having me. What a great topic. As you know, we’re seeing these things flushed out in this time in human history, all in preparation for a coming day. So it’s important what we’re discussing

Sam Rohrer:

It is Carl, that’s one of the things we’ve talked about, we’ve talked about before, we’ve gotten into the program and all of that. But these are things confronting every person who was alive, whether they fear God or they don’t fear God, but the God fearing people, the ones we’re seeking to right now, they don’t know how to deal with this and that’s why we’re going that way. Let’s take some definitions here. If we can lay this on the table, a lot of our listeners would know what we’re talking about, some may not. So let’s do this. What is meant by an id, it’s identification, but for what purpose is a confirmable ID in the context of what we’re talking today, what’s involved in that, do you know?

Carl Broggi:

Well, when we speak of a digital id, of course digital most folks know is something that’s electronic or computerized. And I have a digital watch on my wrist. It uses not gears, but electronic single signals. I am broadcasting digitally from here in my home up to a satellite. So when we speak about a digital id, we’re referring to an electronic representation of your identity. And of course, we’re already seeing it unfold in one way or another across the world. Most people now have what’s called a real id, which is a little more sophisticated license if they want to be able to travel When you go through the airport, I went through an airport a few weeks ago, and TSA did as I remember the first time in a long time, a full facial scan, which identifies me. And so there are things that are unfolding every day.

There’s driver’s licenses and about 10 states where you can have it in your, it’s called a mobile wallet. And there’s reasons for doing it, practical reasons, credit card fraud is out of hand, bank fraud, fake checks are out of hand. And now a lot of banks are starting to move into what’s called EKYC, electronic know your customer. It’s mandatory in about 10 countries. It’s available in different banks across the US like JP Morgan or Bank of America. And it allows them to basically through your voluntary opt-in to make sure that you or you and that someone cannot mess with your identity or steal your money and other things like that. So this is all being rolled out now in preparation for something bigger down the road.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, that’s excellent. We’ll just let that go right there. I think that’s clear. Let’s go quickly to this because on this program with other guests, I’ve talked about aspects of this. There’s the technological and you could talk about technological impacts, economic impacts, educational impacts. It’s very broad because it brings in everything about life. But today, let’s talk about the theological and why is it important to go to the theological or the biblical consideration and look through that lens first before considering these others?

Carl Broggi:

Well, for us as believers, we recognize that God has specifically detailed coming in one world government, a coming one world system. It’s mentioned via the mark of the beast six times in the Book of Revelation, maybe the most specific references in the 13th chapter where he affirms that no one can buy or sell anything apart from the mark of the beast. Well, oftentimes prophetically God prepares the world for what’s going to happen, like the crucifixion. He mentions it a thousand years before Christ through David, 700 years before Christ through Isaiah 500 years before Christ, through Zechariah, and yet crucifixion didn’t exist. And yet all three mention about Messiah being pierced through. So God has to set the stage, the Persians come along, they invent crucifixion. The Romans perfect it as a means of capital punishment even. So to have digital control worldwide where no one can buy or sell, the stage has to be set. And we are witnessing that in our day in which we live.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright ladies and gentlemen, if you’re just tuning us, we’re right at the beginning of the program. Our theme is this, the Looming Digital id, when to say No. Now we’re going to tie this into what people anticipate and most everybody knows is the mark of the beast. All right, in the discussion of digital IDs of which we are all being confronted regularly and increasingly, how should we view this? When does a digital ID and it’s mandating by government, when does it become a problem? When do we need to say no? And where does that line cross between that and the well the mark of the beast that’s spoken about in Revelation? We’re going to walk through all of these things, stay with us as we go through this program. Alright, Carl, let’s move right into this area. Now we’ve kind of defined in the last segment, but the idea of an ID identification that is in most terms, there are those that are part of this broader system are using the term verifiable in some cases the Sam Altman’s of the world that are involved and others are actually using the word to prove humanness.

That’s a very unusual term, but that’s what they’re doing to prove that you are human and not some creation of artificial intelligence. So we’re into it a very strange time that for most people you can’t wrap your heads around it. So you got your id, your identification. That is you are who you say you are in that kind of thing. And digital meaning it’s a part of the broad system that is now communicable through the internet and through your iPhone and show up on government computer screens and that kind of thing. So I’ll just summarize that if you’re just tuning in, that’s what we just went over. But Carl, let’s go directly. Now I’m going to say to the dreaded and much speculated mark of the beast, it comes off the pages of scripture because no one in their right mind wants to cross that line of taking that mark, but they don’t really understand what it is about that mark or what it is to take it or that’s where the speculation comes in. But when you begin talking about a digital system that’s increasingly sounds like that revelation talks about, that’s why we’re talking about this. So start here, can you identify what scripture says about the mark? What is it? When does it come about? Put together and lay that foundation so we know what that item is that we definitely do not want to take or be a part of.

Carl Broggi:

Let me read a couple verses, Sam from Revelation 13, and he causes all the He here, of course, is the false prophet. He’s like John the Baptist who pointed men to Jesus. This is the antichrist John the Baptist, pointing men to the antichrist. And this second beast causes all small and the great, rich and poor, free and free men and slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. And he provides that no one will be able to buy or sell except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beasts for the number is that of a man. His number is 666. And so the mark is a literal mark. Now I say that because there’s more and more people in reformed Calvinistic replacement theology who say that this is all symbolic and it’s not.

When you read the revelation, there are certainly symbols like Jesus speaks of seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls, seven churches, seven lampstands. And they’re always defined like the seven lampstands we’re told are seven churches. But there are people because of their view on Israel, say that this has already been fulfilled, but it hasn’t never has in human history and there’s no reason to take it anything other than literally. So people ask me, do you interpret the Bible symbolically or do you interpret the Bible literally? And my answer is yes. If it’s a symbol, then you interpret it as a symbol. But once the symbol is understood, you literally believe it. And so the seven golden lampstands are defined for us. And so within the, we’re told what the symbols mean. And so this is a literal mark and the Greek word is used of like a camel who would have a brand on it.

It was used of a snake who would bite a person and he would leave an impression. So it’s some kind of engraved, etched or brand so to speak that is put on a person and it’s of the type where you can’t do anything. You can’t buy or sell anything unless you take this brand. And of course the people who will be taking it will be unbelievers who have refused Jesus and who have given allegiance to the false messiah, the antichrist. And there’ll be billions of people across the world that will indeed embrace this. And so it’s going to be a sad day because these people who have literally sold their soul to the devil, given their allegiance to the antichrist.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, let me just do a quick follow up. There are some that would say that, well, right this mark is you’ll see pictures of people with an emblazoned 6, 6, 6 on their forehead. Alright? It could be something perhaps. Do we know from scripture, is it something that is visible to all people? Is it visible to some mechanism? Is it a spiritually identifiable thing? Does that even make any difference? Go there first.

Carl Broggi:

Well, it’s clearly visible because there are five other places apart from the 13th chapter, 14th chapter, 15th chapter, 16th chapter, and I think the 20th chapter where this is referenced. And there’s an assumption that you can see the people who have taken it and those who have taken it have come under the judgment of God. So it is clearly visible. Now, whether behind the tattoo or however you might want to describe it, there’s some electronics we can’t definitively say, but it appears that there would be because there’s an implication that there’s worldwide control through this particular mark. You can’t go into a grocery store, you can’t get gasoline for your car, you can’t see the doctor. And this will happen at the midpoint of the seven year period. So in the first half, three and a half years of the seven years, there’s no mark. But in the midpoint, when the antichrist comes back to life and comes with signs, wonders, and miracles like the world has never seen, folks will give allegiance and they will decide that he’s the one who needs to be followed and worshiped and they’ll decide that through taking a mark. So it’s not some trick that they just stumble into. It’s a willful volitional decision that will basically seal their eternal destiny.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay? Now in reality, Carl, because this individual, the antichrist at that point is going to be a political figure. We know that from Daniel another, he’s in a governmental position, he has some kind of civil authority, whatever, where he has the ability to demand it, it’s going to come for those people then as well, it’s going to be you’re ordered to do it. And in the passage that you read and beyond, there clearly is an economic component piece, which is why the whole discussion of digital IDs today are factoring into it because he says you can’t buy or sell. So that’s the control mechanism. You’re not going to eat, you’re not going to live, you’re not going to travel unless you do this and take this mark. But he also ties it in to worship. What do we know from a biblical perspective of what that worship is? I mean, do we know, is it a falling down before the image in the temple in Jerusalem? Is it just a matter of saying, well, I can’t unimagined living, I don’t want to die because I can’t buy anything. So I’m going to go ahead and reluctantly take this mark. And by so doing switch your allegiance in your heart and your mind, and that constitutes worship. What do we know? Build that out a little bit.

Carl Broggi:

Well, he says here in the same chapter, and it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast. So there’s some kind of physical statue in the temple which will signal the Jews that this man cannot possibly be the Messiah, just a man claiming to be God would not necessarily be wrong. Jesus claimed to be God. He went into the temple, but he didn’t commit the abomination of desolation. The final ultimate signal is there’ll be an act of idolatry where some statue is given life that can speak, and as many who do not worship, the image of the beast will be killed. So yeah, they’re going to sell their soul to the devil. Some might be motivated by food, but people do that all the time. And the parable of the sower, Jesus speaks of those who are consumed with the worries of life and the cares of this world such that they will not receive him.

So there may be a multifaceted system of motivation, but in the end, their choice to take the mark is basically saying, I am giving my allegiance to this man. And that’s a form of worship, whatever expression it may take. And I’m sure there’ll be some who will be more passionate than others in how they express that. But again, this man will have a number 666 in languages like Greek and Hebrew, there’s no Arabic numerals, so they use what’s called gria. So every letter in the Hebrew or Greek alphabet has a numerical equivalent. And once this man comes along, his name will add up to 666. No one will know who he is. And if someone listening finds out who the person is, it’s sad because they’ve been left behind because Paul is very clear that his identity will not be revealed until after the church is removed and he’ll be a kind of diminutive of person. He’s called the little horn. He’s not the famous person that you might think, oh, there’s the antichrist, he’s going to come out of the scene seemingly from nowhere, kind of like a Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, he came out of nowhere and all of a sudden he’s a world figure. It’ll be like that. And when he comes, he’ll come with false lying signs, wonders and

Sam Rohrer:

Miracles. Okay, that’s excellent. A little bit of time left here, but by the fact that this is midway through the tribulation that this occurs and he says, all right, now worship or you don’t buy or sell and take this mark. It would imply, and it’s logical to believe that a system is already in place that perhaps he doesn’t create on the spot, but he more or less hijacks at the middle. How do you look at that?

Carl Broggi:

Absolutely. I think so. And again, it kind of gets back to what we discussed, that God often sets the stage for prophecy to be fulfilled and the mechanics digitally in that respect are in place. Whether it’s some kind of digital tattoo and there’s no implant but a digital tattoo, it’s going to be in place, it’s going to be functioning. The only difference is there’ll be a number added to that id in which to be able to buy and sell.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, stay tuned. We’re going to go further into this. Our title today is The Looming Digital id, when to Say No. All of these things are happening around us. It definitely looks like what’s talked about in Revelation. It’s coming upon us now. Alright, we’re going to go further into it. Talk about the consequences and the problems. Alright, Carl, let’s go a little further. In the last segment you laid out where from scripture, the book of Revelation talks about this mark of the beast. You talked about the circumstances. When it comes forth, antichrist brings it forth halfway through the tribulation period in the temple in Jerusalem, but it covers the entire world. Okay, we went through that. Now let’s take it just a little bit further to bear down on why I used the words at the beginning, why people, there is a dread about this mark. A lot of it’s best people don’t understand it, a lot of speculation on it, but almost in some cases, rightly so, because for those involved with it, it is costly, there’s a consequence to it. So go down just a little bit further on that about why that mark and anything, let’s go this way, why that mark in particular is so horrendous and is literally a life impacting decision.

Carl Broggi:

Well, Jesus said, Heath that believes in the Son has life. He who does not believe the wrath of God abides on him. And so in a person during the tribulation period, which will be first opportunity in human history to be able to receive this, mark takes the mark. He is definitively rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and he has forever sealed his destiny. There is no reversing this decision. So if I turn over a page here now to the 14th chapter, he says here, if anyone worships the beast in his image and receives the mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of his anger and will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the lamb and the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.

They will have no rest day and night. Those who worship the beast and his image, whoever receives the mark on their name and then in the 20th chapter, he affirms the same thing, that they’re not a part of the first resurrection program, which is a resurrection to life to spend eternity with the Lord. But they are a part because they took the mark of eternal judgment. So there’s great implications. You’re submitting to the antichrist and officially, definitively rejecting Jesus is Lord. And you can’t undo that at that point. You can’t undo the mark. It’s a volitional decision of the heart.

Sam Rohrer:

And obviously we know from scripture this whole battle since the very garden of Eden to that moment in time is over the souls of men. And what you’re saying is when the antichrist says, you take this mark and you worship me, what he’s wanting is their soul. And that’s because as you say, there’s no backing up from it. Alright? So that’s the costliness eternal destiny that’s at stake for those at that point. But it’s coming from the antichrist who is always desired, the worship that is only due Jesus Christ. So we have those things in place. Now let’s move into the current as we consider what is happening, there are those that are a part of this system of global id, internet humanness and all of that kind of thing. There are guys, like we’ve talked about him before, Noah, you all who very is one of them.

He’s the guru of World Economic Forum. And he came to light actually during the whole COVID thing that episode. But one of the quotes he made was talking about the ability that we’ve now come to actually merge machine with human bodies through various and sundry ways. And that’s the transhumanistic thing. That’s the thought that comes out where ultimately he says the goal is really to, well, we’ve now come to the point he says, where we can eliminate free will, the choice to be able to choose between God and the devil free will. He said, we can bypass that now and because we can actually, well, we can actually become God. So in my opinion, guys like him actually went right to the heart of what this is about. We are God man’s attempt to become God driven by the devil. But it’s all of those things that are wrapped up in the movement in which the time, which we’re finding right now that causes I think God-fearing people or should people to say, when are we approaching a point where the things that we are seeing become like the mark? So just out of curiosity here, when you look at these things that are going on, what are standing out, what signs are standing out to you most about these changes? This digital technology Id linked to everything that is clearly emerging before our eyes. What’s the significance of that? As we look towards what we’re talking about,

Carl Broggi:

People want to be able to function in life. And so we often give up freedoms to be able to do that. I wanted to be able to get on an airplane, so I made sure I had the real license ID that was required. And there may come a time where they say, well, you can’t get cash out of the bank unless you’re digitally connected to our bank. Otherwise we’ll take three or four days. And so for convenience, we’ll yield. And so again, there’s technically nothing wrong with that. I had a lady when I first came to pastor this church who would not own a computer, she felt like the antichrist would use a digital system and so she didn’t want to have a computer. Well, that was certainly her choice, but that I think because not understanding the bigger picture led her to miss opportunities for witness even using a computer, kind of like the electronics we’re using today. So we need to be informed as to what it means, what it doesn’t mean, because it’s easy to be deceived.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, and that’s excellent. That walks us right into the next question that I’d like you to lay out and that is this. We don’t know the specifics of a governmental mandate that may come tomorrow. I mean our dollars in big trouble right now. People are aware of it. There’s going to be a digital reset and monetary reset. It’s out there, it’s being discussed. It’s a matter of not if, but when there will be things come upon us, a crisis will come of some type. The power will go out and government will step in and say, all right, here’s an emergency. Now here’s a solution. That solution may run us further down the road towards what we’re talking about. And the whole COVID circumstance, which came, it was an event that was a crisis for which there was a government solution to which they said, right, you don’t go to church, you don’t go here, you don’t go there and you’re going to take the shot in your arm or you’re not going to work, you’re not going to live.

And we all recall what happened at that point. A big event changed the global world stage, but nonetheless, everybody who decided to do or not to do decided it based on certain things. Can you give some underlying biblical principles here that would help to guide in this whole matter? For instance, suppose there’s a digital reset, there’s no more cash. You’re going to have to use this mechanism. It’s going to be a card, but you’re going to have to take, well a tattoo on your wrist as an example, as a mark, because that’s one of the things being experimented with or a chip on your skin because that’s also being experimented with. Where can a person know right now, biblical principle wise, how to draw the line and when?

Carl Broggi:

Well, I think if something’s voluntary, that’s very different than something that becomes mandatory. And so if the government mandates certain aspects to be able to function in the society, we should step back and think, especially if it’s violating our conscience. Like personally, I’m a pastor of a church, I baptized people almost every week, new believers, and there’s ink all over believers, I see it. They’re new believers, they’ve come to faith. And would I teach against tattoos? Yes, I think it’s part of the moral law of God. I would make that argument from Leviticus. I have messages on it, but you can’t undo it. It’s very difficult to remove it. I say just use it as a reminder of the grace from which God has saved you. But if they’re asking me to take a tattoo on my hand, I’m not going to take one because I’m opposed personally to a tattoo, a chip under the skin.

Well, you got to think that through. Is it healthy for you? Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. Does it cause you to compromise other issues like there are aspects of the COVID vaccine, some that were worse than others, depending on the manufacturer that, Hey, is this really even smart for me to do? I don’t care what the government says, maybe I will lose some freedom. So as believers, we need to step back in one, be informed because it’s easy to be deceived and the only way to be informed is to get your head in the Bible. In two Thessalonians two, Paul speaks about the church there who had been shaken. And it’s the same word that Jews in Acts 16 when the foundations of a jail were literally shaken. But these believers were shaken spiritually because they did not know what scripture said.

And so we’ve clearly crossed a line when we are volitionally in violation of worshiping God with our whole heart, mind, and strength, the greatest of all the commandments. And if we step into that realm, we’ve stepped into disobedience and we shouldn’t do it. Obviously a true believer will never encounter this on the level of the mark of the beast because that happens after the rapture. But neither should we grease the skids to bring in the second coming. Neither should we not oppose things that we know can really be used to manipulate control people like in China where you have a social score in many provinces attached to your bank account where they’re persecuting believers. So when you give a lot of control to a few people, you’re potentially really endangering a large number of people. And we need to be alert and awake to those things. Sam,

Sam Rohrer:

Boy, we could go so much further than that. But ladies and gentlemen think about this. That’s why we say all the time, the authority of scripture, if we’re not in the word of God, if we have not determined that God’s word is all true and speaks to every issue of life, unless we have determined that we’re going to fall, we’re going to cross the line many, many, many times. But scripture frank for wisdom and discernment. If the Holy Spirit is within us, he will guide us listening to programs like this. Counsel, all of these things are a part of knowing how to interpret the truth In days of great deception, we come back, we’ll talk more specifically about when we need to say no final segment. Thanks for being with us today. And again, if you didn’t perhaps catch the entire program, I’d encourage you to go back to our website given at the end of the program or our app.

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And I know a lot of you as listeners appreciate it because you comment regularly about enjoying having Dr. Carl Broggi on the program with me. So alright, let’s do that now, Carl, let’s move on to that. I’d like you to address here in the last segment two questions. The first would be this, when is it too late to say no? When is it too late to say no to the mark? And why is this important to ponder? And then we’ll come back and say, when should we say no? Anyway, so let’s do that first. When is it too

Carl Broggi:

Late? Well, there’s, yeah, there’s a near and a far answer to your question, Sam. In the near realm, like in the parable of the sower, Jesus spoke of those who are on rocky soul, who when they hear they receive the word with joy, they get emotional. They have no firm root. They believe for a while. And in time of temptation they fall away. Those people are still saveable. Every time you see the word believe, especially when it’s not accompanied with the preposition in it can just refer to intellectual but not volitional like the demons who believe in tremble. But in the prior soil, he speaks specifically of the rocky soul who hear the word and he says, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart so that they may not believe and be saved. And so when a person hears the gospel in this age, we call it the church age, and they keep saying no, ultimately they can give the devil permission so that they cannot believe and be saved.

Only God knows who those people are. But Jesus gave an example in John 12 where he admonished his own Jewish people walk while you have the light so that the darkness will not overtake you. He walks in the darkness, does not know where he goes while you have the light believe in it so that you might become sons of light. And then John goes on to say parenthetically, because they would not believe they reached a point where they could not believe because he, God blinded their eyes, hardened their hearts so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their heart and be saved. And so there are people listening today who will say yes to the beast because they’re saying no to Christ today and they’re really playing Russian roulette with their soul. And so what Jesus illustrates in John 12, in a segmented way with the people of Israel, Paul describes in a broad way, he deals with the church at Thessalonica.

They were shaken, thinking that they had maybe misunderstood Paul on the rapture and that the day of the Lord, the great tribulation had come. He said, it’s impossible. You’re not in the day of the Lord. If you were number one, the departure, the apostasy, the rejection of the faith would’ve happened first the man of lawlessness would be on the scene also called the son of destruction who exalts himself above everything and everyone. And then he goes on to say that he comes verse 10 of two, Thessalonians two, with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved for this reason. For what reason? Because they would not receive the love of the truth to be saved. This is a future event during the tribulation, though it’s being fleshed out in small ways today.

It’ll be worldwide during the time of the great tribulation because men did not respond as John three 19 says, they love the darkness so they will not come to the light. Then the scripture says, for this reason, God will send upon them a diluting influence that they might believe what is false in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. So behind the great delusion that the antichrist will bring, there’s a refusal because they took pleasure in wickedness. They love the sin of the age. A strong delusion came upon them that they might believe what is false. Now only God knows who those people are. There are certainly huge numbers who are saved during the time of the great tribulation period. The great commission will be fulfilled. Every tribe, tongue and nation will hear the gospel through 144,000 Jewish evangelists plus two witnesses, plus even an angel of God.

But those who had heard the gospel in clarity and power and said, well, if this rapture thing is really true and it happens, I’ll get right with God. No, it won’t happen. It’ll be too late because of a refusal in this age to believe on the Lord Jesus and the coming tribulation, dispensation, they’re going to believe what is false. Listen, if someone can’t under ideal situations, respond to the Lord Jesus today, why would they respond to him when heads are being cut off because they refuse to embrace the antichrist, they won’t. They will bow. And so it is too late after the rapture for those and only God can measure that for those who in clarity and power heard the gospel, but they volitionally said no. And so I would say to anyone listening, today’s the day of salvation. Today’s the day to get right.

Sam Rohrer:

How clear. And you couldn’t be any clearer than that. We don’t have much time left here. But for those who like us who are here, rapture has not yet occurred. We are believers, the true believer who right now is living and seeing all of these things described that we’ve talked about coming to pass. Where do we need to be concerned and how should we be thinking and operating in these days?

Carl Broggi:

Well, number one, again, we need to have our head in this book because Satan can deceive even believers. And like this church that we just read from, they were shaken because they didn’t really know what scripture said. So one, we need to delve into scripture. And even the prophetic portions, which about a third of the prophecies, 300 plus were fulfilled for the first coming. There’s still 600 plus that are going to be fulfilled during the second coming. And secondly, as believers, we should see this day as an urgency to share with lost people. There’s some things in heaven that we do right now. We’ll do in heaven. We’ll pray in heaven, we’ll worship in heaven. But there’s one thing we will not do. And that is we will not evangelize lost people because there’ll be no one to evangelize. And so now’s the time to speak up. Now’s the time to identify with the Lord. Now’s the time to be forthright, praying for opportunities, telling people how they can receive the great forgiveness that Jesus has. And anyone listening can receive it if he’ll call upon Jesus in faith today.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, we certainly do pray and hope that if you don’t know the Lord, you trust him now. And if you do, be more purposeful and intentional than ever to know what the word of God says and live accordingly. Dr. Carl Burgie, thank you so much for being with me. God bless you and all that you do. Ladies and gentlemen, Lord bless you, we’ll see you back here tomorrow. The Lord will.

 

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