Undeniable Deception: From Peace & Safety to “Saving God”
October 15, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest(s): Leo Hohmann
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 10/15/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this very full Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. Today I’ve united back with me, Leo Homan, well known, to all of you listening to me right now. He’s an author, researcher, independent, keyword independent investigative journalist. He’s got a website too, you can go to Leo Hohmann. There’s two Ns in that name, leo hohmann.com or on leo hohmann.substack.com, and I’ll give those again as we go into the program. Now, on many occasions, my friends or acquaintances will stop me, which some did the other day and ask me, say, well, Sam, you’re up on things that are happening, so what’s happening? Or they may just say, what’s new? Well, my response is increasingly tell you the truth. I can’t fully answer that question. I don’t have enough time, and simply there’s too much happening too fast and in such overwhelming volumes that I don’t know any person, including myself for sure, where it’s possible to note everything and consider everything that’s happening.
And I’ll tell them. And then I said, and then when you add in artificial intelligence that’s generating fake news, fake videos, fake headlines, deception, and adding that to the picture and confusion and distraction by the volume amounts every day across digital media, it makes literally every person and our entire nation more vulnerable to danger, to manipulations, brainwashing than ever before because you just don’t know what is true. What should I get excited about? What should I ignore? But this is what I tell them and I tell myself, and I share it with all of you’re listening. I know you’re in the same boat as I am. What I do know is that God’s word though is always true. God never changes. His plan for human civilization is moving forward right on time, and we should note what we can. We need to pray for discernment and wisdom daily and compare all things against the authority of scripture.
Why? So that we do not become perplexed, as Jesus said in Matthew 24. Don’t be perplexed, don’t be deceived. Don’t be confused as the world and around us is. And that’s basically where I go. Now today, I’ve asked back again as I mentioned, Leo Homan as I do with all of our recurring guests because their perspectives help us all to compare notes and like iron sharpening, iron to consider events differently, but always in the light of biblical counsel and wisdom. The tide I’ve chosen to frame our conversation today is this undeniable deception from peace and safety to saving God. Yeah, you heard that right? You’ll understand how it all fits together. Leo, thanks for being back with me today.
Leo Hohmann:
Hi, Sam. Good to be there.
Sam Rohrer:
Leo. I want to get your perspectives on a number of things. We’re going to look at, for instance, the Trump Kushner, Tony Blair, Steve Witkoff real estate deal, the Peace Gaza deal, and where that sits now, that’ll be the next segment, the one after that. I want to talk to you about Russia and Donald Trump’s threat to send Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine and the implications of that which are big. Then what I want to conclude with some commentary about the president’s recent comment aboard Air Force one about his heaven bound statement, a very sad statement frankly that he made, and then a shocking statement yesterday by Eric Trump in an interview he did with somebody that his father and the MAGA movement, as he said, is literally saving God and saving Christianity in America. An incredible statement. We’re going to look at that in the last segment. But Leo, here’s what I’d like you to do right now from a 10,000 foot level, you’re looking at the big picture as I am. You see all the things that are happening from a big perspective. For Americans in particular, what would be the top two or three or four largest areas of deception, I suppose I’d say that way that you were noting and writing about?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, I guess I would start. These are in no particular order because frankly, there could be easily a top 10 areas of deception right now, but let’s just look at three of them, the financial side of things. We’re being told by the administration that this is the dawning of a new golden age of peace and prosperity. That sounds wonderful. Those of us who know the Bible know it will never happen, at least not for any great length of time, short of the second coming of Christ. But let’s just look at it at face value for a second. I mean, we’ve entered what I see is an unprecedented, at least unprecedented in my lifetime, which goes back almost 64 years level of economic warfare. I’ve never seen anything like it. We have got all of the threats of tariffs. We’ve got the actual tariffs. President Trump announced yesterday a 100% tariff on China because he didn’t like something that they threatened to do economically and really was nothing more than what he’s been threatening to do.
But apparently it’s a one-way game only we can use tariffs and certain exorbitant fees on different economic goods coming into our country. China just said it was thinking about doing the same thing, and just for thinking about it and threatening it, he hit them with another a hundred percent tariff. But then that was yesterday and today he came out and said that he wants to do an additional 500% tariff on all Chinese goods coming into the United States unless China will stop buying oil. So because China buys Russian oil, we’re going to slap them. He wants to slap them with another 500% tariff. But he said he would only do this if the Europeans join in on the tariff party and also hit China with 500% tariffs. So China is starting to hit back, okay, I knew it was coming, but this is all going to destroy the US economy because you cannot put a block on Chinese goods and the 120% tariffs now are in place and that will make goods coming in from that country exorbitantly more expensive in the weeks and months ahead, probably months because it takes a while to filter through the system, and Americans are going to end up paying unbelievable prices for standard goods that they need to function every day in life because we’re so dependent on Chinese goods. Now, if we had done this gradually and waited for our own manufacturing systems to get up and running and replace these goods, I would be all for it. So that’s a deception. Times are not good economically. They’re getting ready to get worse. Number two, peace and security. We’re talking about the peace president renaming the Defense Department, the Department of War, and at the same time he signing big, huge Middle East peace deals. He’s stoking World War III with Russia, and we can go into that more later in the program. So that’s a deception. Do not believe that this is the peace presidency. Number three, the surveillance state. They tell us it’s going to be more safe, secure, and more convenient, but when you really look at the facts of the digital IDs that the countries are adopting, and I believe we’ll be rolled out here in the next year or two in the United States, what’s really more convenient is for the big banks and big government to shut off your bank account and totally control you if you say something online that they don’t like or if you buy too much meat or
Sam Rohrer:
Leo, I’m just going to step in because of time. So you mentioned three. I’m agreeing with all of those and there are even more, as you said, there’s probably 10. So ladies and gentlemen, big things that we are being told, but where in fact the facts are not as they perceive that is deception. We come back. We’re going to talk a little bit more about the Gaza Peace deal. Well, if you’re just joining us today, welcome aboard. My guest today is a returning guest, well-known to all of our listening audience. That’s Leo Homan, independent investigative journalist. So he depends upon people to support what he does just like we do here, and that’s a decision that is made, I will say, because once you begin to accept big money from almost anyone, you end up doing what they want and that’s what we see all around us.
And Leo is not that way, and none of our guests that I have on here regularly are in the condition where they’re beholden and that’s a good thing. But it means that when they information like us, that is beneficial, then you need to help financially. So you can help him by subscribing on his website, leo hohmann.substack.com, and then for us, as I normally invite, you can do it on our app or on our website. Alright, now moving on. Our theme today is this undeniable deception. We talk about deception a lot here, at least I do. Why? Because you can’t deny it. It’s everywhere. It’s a problem. It’s a challenge for our age. But the second part of this is from peace and safety, obviously referring to statements regarding the Gaza Peace deal to saving God, and that’s a statement made yesterday by Eric Trump, and we’re going to talk about what that was all about in the last segment.
Alright, when the Trump peace deal was first announced, again, we’ve talked much about it over the space of time here. Now this is just for review. We remember it was with great bravado that the President made that announcement in the White House when Netanyahu was there and he used such phrases that became very notable. A lot of people have hung on them and rightly so. He used words like peace and safety is now come or I will bring eternal peace to the Middle East. And then later he used the phrase, everlasting peace. Alright? Now that has gotten everybody with ears to hear and eyes to see, to note that something is not right about that. But then the President also talked about planning on receiving the Nobel Peace Prize and he actually said, no one is more deserving. Well, I will get it. I deserve it because there’s no one more deserving than me. And then Peace Prize went to Maria Corina Ada from Venezuela. So now just a few days after the Gaza pasta was actually signed in Egypt. Alright, things are beginning to change, but I’m going to submit that piece there is fleeting and there’s a whole lot more going to come out about what’s taking place and not taking place. But Leo, on this issue of the Gaza Peace deal, let me put the first question to you. What’s your overall response to the peace deal as it’s generally referred to go wherever you want to on that?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, I think just in general, it struck me that it was being signed in Egypt. Egypt in holy scripture is often symbolic of the world. And so you have this big international peace deal being signed in Egypt. It’s almost like, okay, this is the world’s answer to the problem, but we know it’s going to fail unless it’s in line with God’s answer. I just don’t think it would’ve been signed in Egypt. I think it might’ve been signed somewhere maybe a little more relevant. I also thought it was interesting that you had a peace deal where the major parties at war were Israel and Gaza or Israel and the Palestinians, Hamas, however you want to describe them, but neither Israel nor Hamas was present in Egypt for the signing ceremony.
Sam Rohrer:
That’s a great point. Yep, that’s
Leo Hohmann:
Right. Had the world signing it for them. It was more like you can’t force two warring parties to sit down and love each other. And that seemed like more like what this was as opposed to any sort of genuinely organically arrived at peace deal where the parties actually want to make peace with each other. I think both sides still hate each other. I think this is just a pause in the war and not really a conclusive resolving of it.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, and I think that’s a great point because one of the things I noted Leo on that was that the president himself at that point or somewhere, either right before the signing or whatever, made a statement where he said, I declare peace, something of that type. I declare peace has come and it goes to the heart of what you’re talking about. You can’t just declare that peace has come or declare that whatever else, because you haven’t dealt with the fundamental problems. You’ve imposed some kind of a solution maybe. But anyways, let’s go to the next step then follow up on that. In reality, from Israel’s perspective, as you would look at it, or even enemies, Hamas, the Palestinians, but really even a lot of those that participated in that peace deal are still enemies of Israel. So just look at it this way in the end is the deal, as you look at it better for Israel or better for the enemies of Israel,
Leo Hohmann:
If I look at it objectively, I don’t think it’s good for either one. It is like, yeah, Donald Trump sat down with Israel’s enemies, Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, and I may be forgetting one other, I think there was four of them, but they were all enemies of Israel. And so you have a United States president sitting down with historic enemies of Israel declaring peace in an Israeli war. I just don’t think that’s going to work out very well for Israel. So it’s definitely not going to be a good deal for Israel. In fact, one of the 20 points of the Trump peace plan was for Hamas to lay down its arms. I don’t see them doing that. I don’t think they’re going to do that. So it’s definitely not a good deal for Israel. I don’t think it’s a good deal for the Palestinians either.
They’re going to be caught up in the middle. Once again, I’m talking about regular Palestinian people, not Hamas. And there’s a lot of Christians, by the way, who are Palestinians. I think about 10% of them, the rest are Muslim. And these are people who have homes there in Gaza, which are more likely now destroyed. There’s not much left standing there. And they’re being told they can go back to what I’m not sure. And there’s this other deal hanging out there to redevelop the whole area where they live. So I don’t think it’s going to turn out well for them either.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. And I think that’s interesting you state that because in reality, I don’t think that the president actually sat down with any of the others. It was Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff and a little bit of Tony Blair from the UK factored into it that actually made this deal and brought the deal together to which then the president just said, thank you Jared, and then announced it that it was his deal. So I don’t even think that he was involved, which then raises a larger perspective. But here is one thing I’ll say to follow up with you as far as whose side, I did note yesterday a report that came out. They said it’s a part of the deal once Hamas returned the prisoners, which they have returned the live ones, but they have not returned the remains of the other, about 20 some evidently.
And so Israelis are very, very upset about that because they said, why did you agree to make the deal and give this back, but you have not done it. And so they’re saying, scrap this deal. But in the meantime, Israel had to release the Hamas prisoners, terrorists that they had, which is now up in the 2,500 range. And it says that those, what I was reading yesterday from the source actually on the ground, that those people have now gone back into Hamas. They put guns back in their hands, they put a badge on their arm and they’re now part of the security force. But Hamas has now by 15,000 people on the ground. And when Israel went into Gaza after the attack of October, there were supposedly 20,000 on the ground. So they’re just about the size that they were. So yes, there’s a whole lot that is coming out on this at that point. So anyway, that’s that. But what is known about the economic and the real estate aspects of this deal that’s worthy of comment from your perspective, because it seems to me that it is more of a real estate deal than an actual peace deal.
Leo Hohmann:
Yeah, the plans call for an entertainment district, for lack of a better word, on that ocean front property in Gaza. They’ll be building hotels and perhaps casinos, all sorts of entertainment and residential, but it won’t be any type of residential that the Palestinians can afford to live in. I can pretty much guarantee you that if it gets developed, according to the plan that we’ve been told is on the books. So again, not a good deal for the Palestinians who had their homes destroyed and now it’s going to be replaced on the land with high dollar residential and entertainment businesses and casinos and hotels and the whole nine yards. And the money is going to come apparently from these wealthy oil countries, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, all of the Gulf states are in on this along with the Qatar and Turkey and Egypt. So the money, I don’t think the money is going to come from the US taxpayer. It better not. Some people are saying that, but I don’t believe it. It’s going to come from the wealthy Arab countries. That’s why they’re for this deal, they see it as a moneymaking opportunity. You want to understand this deal, follow the money. Jared Kushner is also in business with the Saudis in different ventures.
Sam Rohrer:
Yes he is. And so yes, ladies and gentlemen, again, these things are continuing to come out. But again, it’s a real estate deal. That’s what it’s really all about. At the end of the day, look at the money and then peace will come and it will certainly go stay with us. We’re going to go to Ukraine and talk about the president’s promise to provide tomahawk. Alright, we went to the Middle East again, the theme today is this undeniable deception. And obviously we know that that is the case and it’s all around us. So that’s not a profound statement. It’s more of a recognition of a fact. I put that in the title, the undeniable deception. We’re giving examples of where that is happening and just a few then from peace and safety that has to deal with the statements that actually came from the United Nations First peace and security when the United Nations passed their two state solution, their peace plan more or less for the Middle East.
And then a week later then President Donald Trump, based on the actions of Jared Kushner and Steve Whitcoff Trump in administration, envoy to the Middle East and a little bit of Tony Blair actually from the United Kingdom, a deal was put together that the president then claimed in advanced out of the White House with Benjamin Netanyahu imposed upon basically Netanyahu and became the peace plan. And in that setting, he used the word peace and safety, everlasting peace, peace to the Middle East and then later everlasting peace. So those are the comments and that’s why peace and safety in our title today, that’s where it goes to. That’s where it’s connected and that’s where the usage of those words, peace and security. Peace and safety with bouch comes off the pages of scripture about days in which people begin to say that the Bible says that peace and safety thought will disappear because sudden danger comes.
So that’s what scripture says, that’s why these words are significant. The other is saving God. And that was a statement made by Eric Trump yesterday in an interview. And we’re going to talk about that in the next segment. So that’s where we’re going. Now that being the case, let’s go to Ukraine now, because despite the fact that the war in Ukraine is not resolved and it is not resolved, we know that peace has not come despite earlier promises. We know months ago that once inaugurated peace would come within 24 hours and we’ve had promises along the way to make a deal with Russia and Putin, and that’s what statements are that’s going to happen. But it has not happened. And in reality, I’m going to say from my perspective, the war is not only not stopped, but you can make a case for saying why it’s perhaps more ripe there for a larger multinational war than perhaps before six months ago.
Okay, we’re just going to leave it there, Leo first as we go here to that part of the world, the Ukraine, Russia war propaganda, I’m going to put it this way, under the Biden administration was a matter of discussion by all sides. The media talked about it, Republicans talked about it from their perspective and conservatives did, and the liberals talked about it from their perspective. But now under the Trump administration and their administration of foreign policy, again, this is my opinion, you can give your comment, but in my opinion, I have found it even more difficult to analyze exactly what’s happening since the president’s approach to everything has some connection to some economic deal, money, economic deal making, somewhat. That’s how he is formulating foreign policies. And it’s quite a thing. It’s combined with threats and warnings and deadlines or red lines. But they changed so often that at least for me, I find it impossible to remember what was said last week, what was actually put into effect, what was pulled off the table, what was put back on the table. And everyone looks at it and says, well, I don’t know what it is either, but I’m just going to trust it because it’s part of deal making. Alright. I find that difficult as a policy maker being in government what’s before, because if you don’t know what’s written down, how can you evaluate it? So anyways, all that being said, when it comes to the Russia, Ukraine War, is there some deception or sleight of hand at work in what’s happening there from your perspective? How do you see it?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, the reason it’s so hard to figure out is because it’s more deceptive, at least under the Biden administration. They told us what the objective was and that was just to support Ukraine to the bitter end and to continue funding it and arming it and whatever in that regard. But President Trump gets in and he says, first of all, I’m going to settle this war. I want to make peace and stop the killing four to 5,000 people a day, soldiers mostly dying, both Russian and Ukrainian. And so we got the impression that this war was going to come to an end. And even when he got in office, he said that, okay, it’s more problematic than I thought, but this is a top priority for me. I want to end this war. I want peace. There’s too much killing. But by the same token, we see it being escalated at a, this is the astonishing part, and this is the irony, the paradox of the whole thing here while talking peace, we’re seeing the war escalated now on the part of the Trump administration at a rate that is mind boggling much faster than the Biden administration was escalating first.
And I think Trump is getting frustrated because he is finding out that he has no leverage to use against Vladimir Putin and the Russians. First it was the tanks, let’s send them the tanks and that’ll turn the trajectory of the war. They sent the tanks, then there was the F 16 fighter jets. This will definitely turn the tide to the war. We were told, well, Russia continues to take territory. Then it was the attack S missiles and the high Mars missiles intermediate range that could fire like 300 kilometers even into the sort of outskirts of Russia. That didn’t change the trajectory of the war. Then he threatened secondary sanctions on Russia and on China and India for buying Russian oil. That hasn’t done anything. Now he’s threatening the tomahawks. So this can only go so far before he runs out of weapons systems and we end up to the escalatory point of actual boots on the ground or even worse. And then we can talk about that maybe later.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, let’s go here on the tomahawks because you’ve actually written something about that. What you just laid out was really kind of like a depiction of increased technology or equipment, which at this point it seems as you’re saying, that has made a difference. But it seems like every time something higher technology is used, Russia is changing their technology and coming back with something that’s just a little bit better, a little bit different, and it overrides it, which is why it’s created a stalemate. But the tomahawks that may push something over the edge, do you think, what do you think?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, let’s look at the tomahawk first. It’s actually an older technology. These missiles were designed in the 1970s. It’s a lowly cruise missile, but it’s subsonic. It is not one of the more modern hypersonic missiles like Russia has. And so Russia could shoot these things down. But the big thing about the tomahawks is they are nuclear capable. They are capable of having a nuclear payload to them. And this is what is so threatening to Russia and is a huge escalatory step on the part of the Trump administration by saying, we’re going to give nuclear capable missiles cruise missiles to Ukraine, to fire into Russia proper. And the other big thing about the tomahawks, not only are they nuclear capable, but they have a much longer range than the attack S or the high Mars or the British storm shadow missiles that all of which Ukraine already has access to. Those are all like three to 350 kilometers. The tomahawks can fly 1600 kilometers. So we’re talking about five times longer range, easily able to hit Moscow. These could be targeted at the Kremlin to do a decapitating strike against the Putin government. So huge, a huge threat. And Putin has said that it will be dealt with accordingly. And you have to wonder if that will be the final nail in the coffin that pushes him over the edge to go ahead and attack NATO.
Sam Rohrer:
And here’s a question for you. You’re a guest because we don’t know. But again, this is a threat. You elevate the threat, you respond with something and it’s back and forth, back and forth. It almost appears that this administration, our president, does not believe that Putin will actually do what they’re saying. And pulling his bluff, Putin has been threatening about doing certain things, but he hasn’t yet done it either. What do you think? Is it just a matter of seeing who’s going to blink first?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, that’s why it’s such a dangerous situation because there’s no actual diplomacy going on. You just have one side making threats to the other side, responding with counter threats. And this is not the way the Russians like to do business. They historically like to do diplomacy behind closed doors. You don’t conduct diplomacy on Twitter or truth, social, social media platforms. But this is what Donald Trump does. But Putin I think has been restrained because he at least has the ability to talk to Donald Trump, whereas he did not have the ear of the Biden administration. They would not even talk to him. So he feels like he needs to give Trump the benefit of the doubt and continue to be restrained. But by the same token, now he’s coming under intense pressure from his own population, his own media. He held a press conference this week in which the Russian media was really asking some tough questions about these tomahawk
Sam Rohrer:
Pistols. Okay. And with that, we have to stop. We have to stop. We have breakaway here, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We’ll be back in just a moment and go into our final segment. We’re shifting gears from what’s happening in Ukraine to the statement Saving Christianity and saving God. Well, as we go into this final segment here, now Leo, I wasn’t able to try to talk to you during the break there. Was there anything you wanted to complete on what you were saying about the Ukraine circumstance before we move into this final segment?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, I was just, yeah, trying to point out that while Vladimir Putin, a Russian president, has been trying to stay restrained and not take the bait of attacking NATO, which is really what in my opinion they want him to do, he also is facing increased pushback from his own population. And even in the Russian media, which is not known for being critical of the government, they were asking ’em very tough questions this week in a press conference about the tomahawks and what are you going to do about it if these lethal cruise missiles actually end up in the hands of Vladimir zelensky in Kiev? And his only answer, and it was an obviously irritated if you looked at his body language, a very irritated Putin whose only response to them was we will beef up our anti air defenses. So yeah, he’s in a quandary between trying to hold out for a fair peace deal that could be brokered by Donald Trump and trying to not be seen as weak by his own population.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, that’s an excellent observation. And so ladies and gentlemen, again, what’s the point of all of this? What we’re hearing, other things that are happening, but at this point that circumstance there is not tending to peace, but to the contrary there in Ukraine with Russia. Now moving into the final segment here, just want to say again, thanks for being with us. If you’ve not written to us, please do it. You can go back and listen to this program again, and I think it would be probably a number of things have been said or will be said that are worth listening to. Again, passing along to a friend. I encourage you to do that. I encourage you to pray for us daily. It’s very, very important. Join us financially, partner with us. You can do that on our app or on our website. All of those things are helpful.
And Leo, who is my guest here today, you can actually become a subscriber to what he puts out regularly on his articles, leo hohmann substack.com. I’ll just put that out there as we move into this final segment. Alright, now I’ve been saying all along that there was an interview yesterday between Eric Trump and there was an individual he was interviewing with a guy named Benny Johnson. And that’s now going all around social media as it ought to. And if it doesn’t, it should. But I’m going to play you a couple of those words from that interview just a bit here, because Eric Trump, in response to Benny Johnson’s question, which you will hear him state, is a follow up to the statement that President Trump made on Air Force One where he made a comment about not being heaven bound, referring to himself. He didn’t think he was a candidate for heaven.
And there’s some other things related to that. But now I’m going to say all believers, the unsaved world, I’m not quite sure what the world thinks about it. They just discount it perhaps. But the evangelical world, the conservative world should focus on these words and these statements because they mean things. So in response to the President’s comment about not being a candidate to heaven, and a previous comment not too long ago, which you may recall, where he said He is working his way effectively to heaven, he’s making peace and he’s doing all of these things and therefore then come back this time and then said, probably not going to heaven profound if you think about it. But here, listen to this short, about a minute and a half here where Benny Johnson will ask the question to Eric, how do you respond to your dad’s comment about not being heaven bound? And listen carefully to what Eric says.
Speaker 3:
President Trump’s saying, he’s not sure he is heaven bound. Well, Benny’s hard to believe that I finally think the siege was worth it, if that makes sense, right? Everything they did to us was worth it. Yesterday when I saw what he did, and make no mistake, he is heaven bound. He’s probably too humble in a certain way to say that. I could say that as a son because I’ve seen the hand of God on him for a very long time, guiding him through the most unthinkable dark process. And then we get to a day like yesterday, which was so beautiful. But he is heaven bound. And I can tell you maybe the one thing he does that might’ve influenced heaven is I think there’s a lot less people going to heaven. Meaning they’re going to heaven slower because you stop the death and destruction around the world.
He stopped innocent young kids from absolutely getting run through a meat grinder unnecessarily for no reason whatsoever. And that in itself will get my father to heaven. And believe me, if he wasn’t heaven bound, he wouldn’t have been alive after Butler. If he wasn’t heaven bound, that flag wouldn’t have folded up like a perfect angel right above his head. If he wasn’t heaven bound, if he wasn’t meant for this purpose, he wouldn’t have beaten Hillary. We wouldn’t have beaten Hillary. And look how much better humanity and our world is. We’re saving Christianity, we’re saving God, we’re saving the family unit. We’re saving this nation.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, Leah, we don’t have a lot of time here, but what are your comments?
Leo Hohmann:
Well, just as an aside, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard President Trump described as too humble to say something. But that’s neither here nor there. But yeah, I mean, what does the Butler situation, assassination attempt have to do with whether or not he is heaven bound or not? What does his works here on earth stopping certain wars from progressing have to do with whether or not he’s heaven bound or not? Even the antichrist the Bible says will make a temporary peace. So this has nothing to do with whether or not President Trump is heaven bound or not. It just shows a fundamental misunderstanding, inability to grasp what it even means to be a born again Christian
Sam Rohrer:
Leo. And that’s a great summation there. And those were my thoughts as well when I listened to that. I will say about Eric, he was not attempting to be arrogant. He was not attempting to be defiant. But yet the words that says We are saving God, we are saving Christianity. And part of the clip I didn’t play referred to the MAGA movement, make America great again, movement, Trump administration and the President and all of these things that are taking place are those things. We are saving God, we are saving Christianity, we are saving the family. Those are the things that got me. I sit down and say, wow, isn’t that amazing? Because God doesn’t need saving. Christianity doesn’t need saving, and no one gets to heaven by doing good things no matter how good they are. It almost sounded to me, Leo, there’s about one minute left. It’s almost like there is a new religion in development underway where if we do the right things, we will go to heaven. And actually, Eric made the statement in there effectively that all people are going to go to heaven. It’s just how soon they get there. Final comments are 30 seconds.
Leo Hohmann:
Yeah, I mean, it is borderline blasphemy when you say that we are saving God. No, we are in need of God to save us. So it’s an inversion. I know Eric Trump was not aware or meaning it to sound that way, but it was an inversion. And who is the father of inverting the truth? Satan
Sam Rohrer:
And ladies and gentlemen, we’re at the end. Leo, thanks much for being with me. That’s the point, ladies and gentlemen, when we are hearing so many things, don’t we really need wisdom and God’s discernment more than ever? And that was the whole point of trying to put some of these things together today and Leo getting your comments on it. Because we are at a point perhaps like never before that what we see is not necessarily what ends, but ladies and gentlemen, God’s word. If we run it through the filter of God’s word, it never changes. It allows what we see to come into clarity. That’s our hope and that’s our prayer and perhaps today’s program helped in a little bit. Leo, again, thanks so much for being with us again today. Always a blessing. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us today.
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