Fleeting Health Freedom: Assaulted from all Sides

November 24, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Twila Brase

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/24/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday Stand in the Gap Today program. It’s the beginning of Thanksgiving week, I think, as we all are aware, and it’s also the last week of November of 2025. We’re quickly wrapping up this year and wow how fast things have gone. But as we embark on upon the program today, I just want to look back and just say, I trust you had a refreshing weekend and we’re able to worship together with true believers in a church that preaches the Bible. You know, that is very rare and I’m glad you were among, if you were, that you were in a place that actually does it and where those who stand in that pulpit believe that God’s word is 100% God’s word and not just good advice, but the truth, absolute truth. And I hope that’s the case because that’s an increasingly rare condition these days.

Sadly. Well, to start off this week, today’s program is also our monthly focus on health freedom with Twila Brase. She’s the president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom, and they have a website@cchfreedom.org. And I’ll give that again, a lot of information there, particularly as it pertains to things we’re dealing with today, but a whole lot more. Just a look ahead into the week tomorrow, Dr. Jamie Mitchell will be leading the program. His theme is going to be dangerous doctrines destroying churches. On Wednesday, Leo Hohmann will be joining me for a closer look at the among other things, the United Nations anointing of Donald Trump as the Chairman of the Board of Peace. Now, you know what that’s for? That’s coming out of the GA of Peace proposal, but we’ll look at what this strange decision means and it is indeed that. Now on Thanksgiving Day, Dr.

Jamie Mitchell will be interviewing me on our Thanksgiving Day, basically the history of Thanksgiving. We’ll touch on a little bit of that as well as thoughts as to what it means to give thanks and how we can do that in our families and individually. Friday’s this going to be a special focus program as well. Now for today’s program, I’ve entitled Fleeting Health Freedom Assaulted from All Sides. I’m going to be talking with Twila about the status of several key recurring issues, which we’ve been following on these regular health freedom updates. So stay with us as we begin today’s program on fleeting health Freedom assaulted from all sides. And with that, I welcome back, Twila. Twila, thanks for being back with me today.

Twila Brase:

Oh, it’s always good to be here, Sam. Thank you.

Sam Rohrer:

Yes. Well, it’s good to have you with us. I know our listeners appreciate you and I do as well. You’re standing firm in the gap there and that’s a good thing. Let’s get into this from an overall perspective here, if you take an overall perspective since you were with me last month, maybe between that time and now, or at least going back to the beginning of this year, 2025, from an overall perspective, is America, in your opinion, the one that’s leading in this space? Is America regaining health freedom or are we continuing to lose health freedom? And maybe there’s, we haven’t changed. I don’t know. What would you say?

Twila Brase:

Well, I would say that we’re in a tussle, and I think that fact that the Republicans were going to follow along with what the Democrats did shows you how true that is. So the Democrats, when they put in those COVID extensions of Obamacare subsidies and they expanded them far into the middle class, they said that it would be done, the program would be done at the end of this year. And so that’s what the Democrats did when they were in power and that’s what they put in. So the Republicans were following along with them and then when it was discovered that this was going to, it’s like 24 million people that will lose those subsidies when that switches over and all of the conversation around that has really caused some interesting brand new conversations about cash and having real insurance and different payment options and how doctors should be free and all this kind of stuff in a way that I haven’t seen. So we’re losing it in that there’s still more consolidation, there’s doctors leaving, hospitals closing, premiums are out of control, but there are brand new discussions which would lead us in the right way if we will just let them lead us in the right way.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Well, I hope that they would because as we know, the first part of a term less such as what we’ve seen here is the time to get changes made. And I have been looking for what is the alternative? What is the replacement? Don’t just cut necessarily. So that’s what you’re talking about generating some new discussions and that’s good. Let’s go here Now since the federal government shutdown, since that’s ended, the primary charge on both sides, Democrat and Republican, has been seemingly around that matter of healthcare costs. What you’ve referred to. And I know that Donald Trump has promised some sort of redistribution of money sometime in the future. We’re going to talk about that in the next segment. But based on what was done or not done in this latest budget, bill, I have two questions. What will people see as to their healthcare cost going into 2025 and what can people do in the short term?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think they’re going to see increases no matter whether they’re on the Affordable Care Act, whether they’re going to the Obamacare exchange or whether they have employer sponsored coverage, unless the employer pays the entire bill. I understand that at least what I’ve been reading is that it’s 26% increase on average with some people facing up to 40 to 60% increases, which of course might cause them to simply change the policy that they have. They say that the monthly increases are about, for payment for premium are up 114%. That’s what they expect, which means slightly more than double if the subsidies are allowed to expire. And so Colorado’s Exchange said that their costs will double. But the thing that I have seen about employer sponsored coverage is it’s an approximately 9% increase on average, potentially paid by lower raises or wages.

Sam Rohrer:

So that being the case costs are going up, but those who are involved any regard Twila, if a person is a senior and they’re on Medicare, what’s happening to them?

Twila Brase:

So the prices have gone up for Medicare as well. Our revised Medicare how to guide will very soon have those new prices. It’s amazing. They took, I think it was not Friday, but the Friday before when they finally announced the prices. And so we’ve got to get them in our guide, which is up, the revision is up, but just not the prices. And so there are some larger increases then there have been in other years, and I think it should be expected because they believe that Medicare will be out of money unable to fully pay the bills in eight years in 2033. So they’re undoubtedly they’re adding more costs to individuals to get them to perhaps extend the program longer.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, with that ladies and gentlemen, that starts the program today. Twila Brase is my guest. We’re looking at fleeting health freedom assaulted from all sides, giving an update on a number of things. We come back, Twila’s going to talk to us about what Trump’s healthcare plan is. Well, if you’re just joining me today, thanks for being on board. We’re beginning this last week of November by spending some time with Twilight Brase. She’s the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom and they have a website@ccfreedom.org. So on these programs, which we do generally about once a month, we look at policies, events, statements by people, things of that type that affect what we call health freedom. And that’s a big deal. Health freedom is something that is of extremely important thing to have. Most people don’t. And frankly we have for a long time been losing that which we have enjoyed.

So I’m talking with Twila today a little bit about comparing some things that are impacting that. Now, Twila, one of the things we had talked about were some changes coming out of the budget shutdown. Healthcare costs are a big part of that. There’s things that are going on. The Democrats have said, Republicans, you just want to cut, but what’s your alternative? What’s your alternative? Well, they didn’t have a real alternative and the Republicans are saying to the Democrats, you can’t afford to keep doing what you want. So back and forth. And that has unfortunately been a lot of the political posturing we’ve seen for a long time now since before I was first elected to the Pennsylvania General Assembly, that was back in 1992 when I went into office there, I was beginning to see very, very clear efforts driven out of the federal government, but increasingly impacting state governments as there were efforts to usurp, I’m going to say the administrative pillars, upholding the American healthcare system.

There had been efforts, I know, and I’m going to ask you just a minute to describe it, how some of the things have changed along the way, but there’s no doubt the American healthcare system used to be the standard for the world. It was the envy of the world. But I don’t think that’s the case now, that’s my sense. But steady and unrelenting efforts clearly have been underway from that time to this very moment. We’ve talked about it before, effectively eliminating or so compromising private insurance that it doesn’t really exist as it did or interfering with private relationships between physicians and patients. That’s matter of health freedom. All of those things have been changing. So that being the case, Twilight, I’d just like to you, if you could give a brief timeline of key events or legislation or policy, I want to put it, that have moved the healthcare system in America where it was once, I would say it met up that definition of we had health freedom to the point where we are right now. When was the last time, for instance, we had where you’d say we had health freedom in America? And then what are those events that have changed along the way to now?

Twila Brase:

Well, we had health freedom. I think most people would see it more clearly if you just say before Medicare, before the government got into Medicare. But I’d actually go a little further back with employer sponsored coverage. So when Congress imposed wage and price controls in the 1940s, employers came said to Congress, Hey, we want to compete for employees. Can we offer health insurance? And they were given a business deduction and that became law like 12 years after that. And so now it is law. And so what we really have is Americans trapped in Medicare, we have them trapped in employer sponsored coverage. I just talked to somebody recently who was really perturbed because their choice was either take what the employer gave them even though you don’t want it or have nothing. So the only way you could get access to that money is if you went into their program.

And so they couldn’t get their full compensation unless they agreed to be part of that insurance company. And so I think that there are a number of things that go into us being caught. And one thing I wanted to say about Medicare, which I forgot to say when you asked me about the prices, because people are caught there and they’re caught within the government pricing. And so part B is going to have a nearly 10% increase and that is, it sounds small, $17.90 cents, but it’s going to eat up the increase in social security. So because it’s almost 3.5 times higher than the raise in social security, which means less money in social security for everybody who’s on Medicare. And so everybody’s trapped in this, there’s nowhere for them to go and they need to have places to go to actual freedom.

Sam Rohrer:

That’s interesting how you put it. So being trapped because it really is not freedom to say, all right, here are two choices, neither one of which you would choose on your own, but you got to choose from one or the other. That is not freedom or health freedom. Alright, let’s move into it. Alright, now we’re going into next year, the budget impasse is now passed, but all of this problem with the cost of healthcare that I asked you earlier, it is occurring into this. Donald Trump just recently posted a request that he said he had put to the Senate regarding what he thinks is a, well it’s got to be a great way, otherwise he wouldn’t have stated it, but he figures it’s a great way to fix our current healthcare problems without me describing any yet. Would you describe the essential elements of his plan and provide your comments as to what it actually does? Does it bring us more freedom anyways, I won’t state anymore. Just what about it?

Twila Brase:

Yeah, so what he says is he would agree to a two year extension of the subsidies, but he wants some restrictions on who can gain access to those subsidies. And today, if I’m correct, it’s anyone who is at 600% of federal poverty guidelines, which is $200,000 for a family of four can get subsidies. So you can see that they move that during COVID into the middle class far into the middle class because you have to be making more than $200,000 or you don’t get any subsidies. And so it looks like that they would probably decrease the number of people or how long that they could be on those subsidies. They do say that they’re still expecting the cost, the premiums of the care to increase $50 per month is expected for the lowest plan. And they’re saying that that is $13 more on average, but $20 less than the COVID subsidy expansion.

So it’s kind of like parsing. The other thing is that there’s more access to health savings accounts, which is great, but if it has to be attached to a high deductible health plan, it’s not. And I think that’s the thing that he is missing is this idea of keeping the health plans in power. The health plans have to be disempowered. I like to say the time for the health plan is over because this is a corporate version of socialized medicine, we’ve got to get rid of it. Expanding the subsidies or keeping the subsidies in place for two years. I understand it might be a politically nice thing to do maybe, but the fact of the matter is that it keeps the Democrats where the Democrats want to be. Is it getting us towards single payer socialized medicine subsidy program by subsidy program that’s 24 million people that in two years they’re going to be having the very same complaint and the Democrats just want to keep that in place and now is the time to get rid of it.

Sam Rohrer:

Now, according to what I’m looking at here from the tweet by the president, he said this, he’s recommending that hundreds of billions of dollars currently being sent to money sucking insurance companies in order to save the bad healthcare provided by Obamacare and be sent directly to the people so that they can purchase their own much better healthcare and have money left over. In other words, he says, take money for the big bad insurance companies and give it to the people and terminate. Okay, now that being the case, that sounds like a wonderful thing, but government giving money to the people on one hand is pretty socialistic or giving money to the healthcare plans is also quite fascist. What are we talking about here and what’s missing? What should be done?

Twila Brase:

Well, what’s missing is that we need catastrophic coverage. The Affordable Care Act got rid of catastrophic coverage. Those very affordable major medical indemnity plans that were there only for catastrophic and insurable events if everybody had catastrophic coverage except those who couldn’t even afford that and they would have charity. Right? So we have the three C solution, which is cash catastrophic coverage and charity. This is how it was before Medicare. This is how it was before employer sponsored coverage. This is when things were affordable. Doctors spent time with you, you actually had a relationship. All the prices were transparent because you were paying and the catastrophic coverage plan pays you and then you hold the cash in the hand and then you make cost benefit decisions for yourself and all the prices come down because there’s no third party payers with all of their fingers including the government in there.

Sam Rohrer:

Right. Alright, Twila question questions down. Okay, you’ve talked about it, we have too. What would Congress need to do right now to allow catastrophic health insurance plans to return?

Twila Brase:

Well, one thing, there’s really two things that they need to do in the Affordable Care Act. They have to get rid of the prohibition that says catastrophic coverage plans can only be sold to someone under the age of 30. So that’s one thing. Another thing that they should do is that under the Affordable Care Act, it requires that everybody has a qualified health plan. So you can’t even have catastrophic coverage according to the law. And number three, everyone from Medicare to be released from Medicare if they want to leave voluntarily and they too should be able to buy a catastrophic coverage policy. Medicare is age discrimination. When you turn 65, you don’t have any choice but to go on the dole with the government and the government’s budgets and shut downs and everything else that they decide to do. And you can be, the older you get, the more you can be on the short end of the stick. Everybody should be able to have real insurance no matter what age you are.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, well Twila, it didn’t take you long to come up with those things. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the point. It’s not that complicated to return health freedom by allowing cash charity, catastrophic plans for insurance. That’s what we used to have yet. Well, I’m not hearing much about it really from either side. The discussion is there a little bit, but again, there is a solution. We’ll continue in just a moment. Alright, Twila, before we move into a big area we’ve touched on many, many times and that’s real id I just want to provide to you, is there anything that you’d like to say and follow up to that last conversation we had about costs replacement, what could be done to fix the problem that we have and move back to cash charity and catastrophic health insurance, which we haven’t seen for a long time. Anything you want to say on that additionally?

Twila Brase:

Yeah, the only thing I would say is we need people to start talking about this. You need to grasp the vision of cash catastrophic coverage and charity and understand how simple and inexpensive charity can be for just the people who need charity rather than an entire program that’s paying these health plans every month for every member on and on and on, even though nobody actually uses the program. This is a cash cow for these health plans. We could actually use charity, but you have to talk about it, you have to tweet about it. You have to drive the narrative, beat the drum. Talk about getting back to real insurance, affordable real insurance, which is a medical major, medical indemnity policies, talk about it with everybody. The health plans are just the way to corporate socialism and they aren’t real insurance and we all need real insurance.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, thank you. I didn’t know for sure what you were going to say, but I was hoping that would be the case. Ladies and gentlemen, the point is the solution is a return to what we had, which worked. It did provide health freedom. It was robust doctor patient relationships. It was maximized patient privacy and it was far, far lower cost. But what it did is it allowed the people to interact on their own and government was not in the picture. So it’s no surprise that when government steps in the cost go up, this is just one of those matters of economics and the way things work. Okay, moving on Twila. We’ve talked about real ID before on the program. We’ve talked about I many years ago when I was in the Pennsylvania General Assembly, I fought it hard. That’s when the two of us first met when you came and testified.

My problem then not knowing as much as we know now, was that it looked every bit like a national ID card system and it was a direct affront without a doubt on federal government assaulting the 10th Amendment state’s rights. It was so clear at that point. Now here we are years down the road and the president and our current Homeland Security director have given really a final mandated implementation. They’ve given it a green light, whereas the previous administrations all tended to delay it one step or another. So here’s my first question. It seems that the original purpose of real ID to become a national ID card, it seems to be right on track and seems to be fitting in with the broader global digital ID system. From your perspective, what is the latest, put it this way, the latest indication of a federal government push to nationalize the real ID as the basis for what appears to me the National Global Digital ID Information System that is underway because listening, they’re all hearing more and more about digital IDs being required, real id, digital, ID connect them. And what evidence, what incident or whatever of federal government pushing that right now, what would you indicate?

Twila Brase:

Yeah, so real ID Nationalizes identification puts the federal government over your identity and puts them in control. And so now the thing that came out on Thursday, November 20th was a notice effective that day. There’s no public comment on it. It’s just effective. And that is that they are creating a, what they call a modernized alternative identity verification system to try to get everyone to succumb or submit to the REAL id. They are going to set this up at the airport. It’s not set up yet. They said they’ll let us know when it’s ready to accept fees for participating. They’re going to charge people $18 to participate in this new system if they come to the airport without a real ID or other TSA acceptable identification cards like a passport. And this is their way to push everybody into the real id. And the real ID is it’s soon to be digital.

The DMVs are planning to digitize it. It’s biometric controlled. It’s building a facial recognition system across this country. It’s establishing the framework for a social credit system or a carbon credit system just like in China and what they’re building in England. And so what we’re really talking about here is a national ID system under control of the federal government that can expand far beyond flight. According to the law. It can be anything. And if you look at these other countries with national digital IDs, they can’t even pay their taxes without it. In India, there are stories of in India where they have a national ID and some people have starved because they couldn’t get the grocers to agree that that was really them on the card. And so they refuse to give them any food. And so this is the kind of thing that happens.

You become a non-person unless you can prove that you are who the government says you are. And so in England, they’re building, I mean Starmer is saying that if you don’t have a digital ID by January 1st, you won’t be able to work. I did discover this is part of all of a United Nations agenda to have an identity for every person in the world. So they don’t want to leave anybody out. But the most disenfranchised people are the people who are going to starve. The ones who aren’t going to be able to update things. The ones that don’t have the ability to deal with the system, they won’t be considered a person anymore. So this is terrible. And I was just reading something about communist countries and in communist countries, they tend for Christians, they tend to deprive them of an ID and of medical care.

So this is something that must be stopped. And so this thing that the TSA is now doing, and everybody should contact their state legislators, they should contact their members of Congress, they should tweet and text and whatever. We can’t text the president, but you have to make an uproar and you have to refuse the real Id get yourself a passport so you feel calm about this whole thing. But whatever you do, do not get the real id. That is the backbone of the facial recognition system. That’s the backbone of the social credit system that in the hands of a Gavin Newsom, for instance, would be easily used to keep you in 15 minute cities, which is they don’t want you to travel anywhere. And so it has to be stopped.

Sam Rohrer:

It does. We’ve talked about that. And ladies and gentlemen, just to understand this, like a wave is moving across the globe, will refusing a real ID stop ultimately this global system? No, I’m going to say no. Ultimately, biblically, we know that it will happen. However, there will come a point and we’ve talked about it much where every person of conviction or commitment to the Constitution, particularly to God’s word, there’s going to come a point to which you cannot cross. We’re getting closer and closer to that. So it does make sense, resist where it can done. And this is one of those that is the mechanism here. Now let’s shift this just briefly. And I think in a previous program you mentioned that you all have had some communication with Rand Paul, he’s the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. He’s been opposed to this from the beginning. However, nothing has happened congressionally that I have seen that would curtail what is being done out of Homeland Security. What is the status of your communication with Senator Rand Paul and what can we perhaps expect out of him or his committee?

Twila Brase:

So we have had some letters going in and one we think that was perhaps actually hand-delivered to him. I won’t go into any more details other than that. And he now has a bill S 27 69. It’s called Safeguarding Personal Information Act. And it would completely repeal this Federal Real ID Act or this national ID card and system. And we are going to Washington, DC in just a few weeks and trying to get a meeting with the senator himself. And there’s a bunch of people listening now y’all got our prayer warriors. And so I would ask that you would pray that we would actually have this meeting. It is so important that Senator Paul, who is chair of the Homeland Security Committee in the Senate, he has the power to hold a meeting on this bill, which he introduced the day after Charlie Kirk’s assassination. So it was kind of hidden for a while, right?

But he has now been out with a tweet or an ex post and he’s been out with a press release and he has put it in his newsletter to constituents. So it’s our hope that he will really be thinking come the start of the new year that he’s going to do something on this. And now that the TSA has done this, which by the way, you have to be biometrically scanned at the airport and pay your $18 and it only lasts for 10 days. And then on your way back, if it’s longer than 10 days, you better hope that you can make it through again. And so this might actually be to our benefit that they have dared to do something like this and hopefully Senator Paul will hold this hearing, make it really clear what this real ID is and help to shut the thing down. We don’t know, we’re all on bated breath, but we’re hoping that he’s moving forward with it.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, he’s the right guy in the right position. Anyone else? We’re just about out of time, but is there any other senator or congressman that has stepped forward on this issue with this kind of awareness that you know of?

Twila Brase:

No. No, but we think that there are some who could potentially do it, particularly in Oregon. Senator Merkel who’s so perturbed with those cameras at the airport and absolutely refuses and has his own bill about Travel Privacy Protection Act, which is a bipartisan bill. So we do think that there can be some movement on this. In addition to that, we sent a coalition letter signed by 34 organizations and 41 state legislators from around the country. We sent that to Senator De Paul’s office and we know it was received. We got the message

Sam Rohrer:

Back. Okay, excellent. With that, we’re out of time ladies and gentlemen. Stay with us. We’ll come back. We’re going to move from this area and I’m going to talk to Twilight about Healthy Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy, what good changes are taking place? Are there any troubling ones? Well, Twilight was good hearing your one minute spot there in that break. Most people across the country would’ve caught that, but those are good things that you do. So it’s nice being able to have you, and we can talk more in depth ladies and gentlemen, but thank you for being with us here today as well. And may I just say before we get into this last segment that I am thankful for you, this is a Thanksgiving Day, week and we’ll some programs that will mention that, but I’m thankful for each of you. We wouldn’t have a program.

You are in Integral Park. I want to thank also all of you who have become partners financially. That is so very, very important. And when we’re pressed on all sides, I know we all are, costs are going up regardless of what somebody may say, that whole issue, that’s a big deal. But programs like this, like ours, like Twilight’s organization as an example, those that are committed to the truth, we don’t get government subsidies. We wouldn’t take them anyway, but it does cost in order to do the things that need to be done. So that’s where you come in from a biblical perspective. I know that God provides the needs, but he chooses to do it through people. And so that’s where all of us come in. If we are getting information or something, whatever that is helping us in our lives, we should try to be a part of that somehow.

So if you’re listening to this program and you find it helpful, it has helped you, well then consider sharing and partnering financially and giving some of what God has given to you to us so that we can continue in our task, that would be a great thing. So I thank you for what you have done for writing, for Giving, and I would ask you to consider at this time, Thanksgiving time to reflect on the broader aspect of all that God has done. And same what should I be doing with what I have in evidence, helping those who are helping me make right decisions in life. That will be your church hopefully if you have got one, your tithing certainly. But helping others like us is an important thing. I’ll just leave it at that. Twila. Let’s get into this as we conclude from my perspective, and we’ve talked about it at a length before that Robert F. Kennedy, who is now Secretary of Health and Human Services, he came in with great plans. He has run into clearly opposition on those that don’t like what he’s doing, but there are some many good things that have happened. From your perspective, what changes made by Robert F. Kennedy through health and human children’s guidelines, reports, that kind of thing, that to you or from your opinion, have tended to improve greater health freedom more than anything?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think what I’ll start off with is for people who would like to track what’s happening, the hhs, they created something called the MAHA Inaction Tracker, and that can be found at hhs.gov/maha. So then you can track and see what they’re up to and what they want to announce that they’re doing. But I think that some of the interesting things that have happened as a result is there’s just a new memo out essentially saying that autism cannot be ruled out as resulting from vaccinations, that there’s no science anywhere that has definitively said that autism is not a result of different vaccines. Another thing is restricting some of the fluoride products that children use. Clearly getting rid of lots and lots and lots of the bureaucrats makes it all smaller, means less taxes required for all of us and less of them to do these things to us that they decide to do that are not actually something that Congress has put into place.

The food dies was a big thing of his, and that’s definitely moving forward to eliminate them or change them. But I also think the revised immunization committee, so all of those people on the immunization committee were kicked off and people who are not members of pharma or other corporate kind of members are no longer on there. And so we’re getting better information and better decisions, hopefully about immunizations, childhood immunizations, et cetera. They cut the mRNA research funding, which is good because this is what has caused a lot of this damage and people who got the COVID shot. And I think a really interesting one is that they’re requiring everyone on snap, which is food subsidies to reapply for eligibility. That’s a ton of people. And today people are selling their SNAP benefits for money to buy drugs. So this is a great thing and I look forward to seeing what the new pyramid is or whatever it will be for food choices. And as you know, HHS long time ago said, fat is bad. Well now we know that fat is good and there’s all sorts of things that they told us about eating that weren’t true and we should never have followed them. So it’ll be interesting to see how their dietary guidelines come out.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, that’s a really good list because I want to leave on a positive note, but is there anything from an objective perspective that have come out of HHS that in your opinion, have not been contributory to greater health freedom?

Twila Brase:

Well, I know there’s a lot of people wishing and hoping that it would come right out of HHS to say stop the COVID shot. And that hasn’t come out. There’s a lot of more parsing of the language like it shouldn’t be for this age, it shouldn’t be for that age, it’s better for that age, that sort of thing. And because there’s so much danger and so many other countries have just outright banned it and they’re not banning it. And I think that’s probably because of operational warp speed, which Trump will probably always hang his hat on. And all he’d have to say is I think I was given the wrong story from Fauci and Burs to get himself out of that one. But I don’t know. I’m just guessing why this hasn’t happened

Sam Rohrer:

And that very easily could be. I don’t know. Is there anything that is being discussed that you have not mentioned that would be very helpful to health Freedom if it were to be done?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think the thing that I don’t see coming out of HHS is everything that we are working on toward the three C solution. Everything that has to do with healthcare itself or protecting privacy or getting rid of HIPAA because it’s giving everybody our data and they’re making money off of our data. They’re controlling our doctors off of our data, it’s destroying the healthcare system. Doctors are leaving because they don’t want to do all the recording and now people are getting in there when they go to the doctor, they’re getting these consent forms or these notices that say, if you continue to stay in this room, you are agreeing to ambient listening, which is the recording of your entire conversation with the doctor. And they say that you can opt out, but the pressure is on not to because every patient is vulnerable and they don’t want to make their doctor angry. They don’t want to make their nurse angry. It’s like, oh, they’re forcing us to do all this work now. We’re going to have to wait till nighttime to chart our records and we could just have it being recorded and technology could do it. They don’t want to do that. So all of this stuff that’s actually about the patient and the doctor in the exam room and medical care, I don’t see much coming out about that.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, I didn’t know again where you were going to go on that Twila. So ladies and gentlemen, there are major things, and I wasn’t even aware of what you just said there, Twila. I have not yet encountered that about listening devices in the room, and I certainly hope I do not encounter that. But thanks for even bringing that up. So ladies and gentlemen, we’re at the end of the program right now. Twila’s website again is cch freedom.org. I want to give that again, CCH freedom.org. A lot of information on all of these things. Real ID costs, Medicare, cash, charity, catastrophic healthcare, all of those things we’ve talked about. You can find more information on her site. Twila, thanks again for being with me. You’ve done a great job. Thank you for the job that you and your team are doing. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We’re going to now be back here tomorrow. I’ll be with you again on Wednesday, and then we’re going to talk about Thanksgiving and being grateful on Thanksgiving Day. So until then, count your blessings. Thanks for being board here today.