Israel Hated: The Burdensome Stone Prophecy, Rebellion Toward God or More?
November 12, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Dr. Carl Broggi
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/12/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our bimonthly focus on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. Those all go together as we know. You listen to the program regularly, you know that. And we’ve explained why that is and why because God places so much emphasis in his word on biblical prophecy, which obviously as a result of that has a focus right on Israel, which obviously is located right in the Middle East. They all go together. You can’t separate them. Now, as you may or may not have realized I was gone here from the standing gap today, microphone for most of the last couple of weeks, as my wife Ruth Ann and I were able to attend what was termed the seventh Christian Media Summit, which was held in Jerusalem. I’ve been to one of those before in the past at the Savannah, approximately.
It was about 125 different individuals there, probably 20 some maybe from the United States, but the rest were from around the world, Europe, Africa, other places of the world where they were invited because they were to some degree involved in communication of generally most all those were biblical truth, but with a focus that it included Israel. And there was a multi-day event where individuals of mind, I’m going to say about God’s plan for Israel, we’re able to network with each other, compare notes as they were seeing things across the range of issues regarding Israel primarily, and then to share observations as to the cause of the increasing, and this is key because we’re going to include this today, but the cause of the increasing global hatred toward Israel and what is particularly occurring here in America in regard to that. So today, as I’m so glad to discuss important observations about Israel and the changing attitudes of people, including American Christians toward the nation of Israel, the Jewish people, and the city of Jerusalem, and since, as I said, none of these can be analyzed separately, I’m really glad to have back with me Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina. We’ve discussed, as you know, many aspects of what we’ll touch on today in previous programs, but this will be a little bit different. So stay with us. The title I’ve chosen for today is Israel Hated the Burdensome Stone Prophecy Rebellion Toward God or More or something else, because these are all involved in really answering the question of why are we seeing what we’re seeing take place. Carl, really glad to have you back with me today. Thanks for being here,
Carl Broggi:
Sam. It’s great to be here. And you and I both know that a lot is happening prophetically, and it’s happening so fast, and at the same time, many believers because of Cathe biblical ignorance of our day and the twisting of scripture, they’re just asleep to the very issues that you want to discuss. So you’ve chosen an important topic for today.
Sam Rohrer:
Carl, you and I both agree on that, and I know our listeners listening because they’re all sensing this is in the news everywhere from one aspect for another, but it’s not going to be the direction we’re going to take today, which goes to the heart of really why is this happening? But you recently were in Israel, let’s go this direction first. You were there, I think you took a tour, which you often do. You’ve been there many, many, many times. To get us started, I thought it would be interesting for you just to share just a couple of the highlights, the takeaways, if you could put it that way, from your recent trip to Israel. Did you notice anything different in this trip compared to others? And then I’ll get my thoughts on what I sensed.
Carl Broggi:
Well, I’ve been going since 1989 in the last decade or so, 12 years ago, about every 18 months. And this trip was markedly different. One in that it was empty when we arrived. And hotel Mare Ds and owners even came out with tears in their eyes thanking us that we’re the first tour group they’ve seen in two years. But what was really different in terms of the atmosphere was the division in the nation. Now, we were there obviously about three weeks before October the 13th, which was the start date for the hostage release. And the opinion as to what should happen was incredibly like divided. Some said at any cost, get the hostages out. Others said, even with their own children fighting in the IDF and some of their own kids being hostages had a different view. And they said, no, we need to defeat Hamas because in their charter, their whole aim is to destroy Israel.
And so the people were divided as to over what should be done. Of course, everyone wanted the hostages freed, but how long do you go with the war? Do you just end it? That was one side. The other side, no, we go until the place is annihilated because they’re going to destroy us like the Amalekites would. So that was very different. And while we were there, Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabee shut down the western wall, so we couldn’t get up there initially that day as they were praying and later strategizing with the Prime Minister Netanyahu. So it was definitely different. But you’ve been there since October the 13th, and I’d love to get your take on the current atmosphere of what’s happening.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, I’ll mirror some of what you just said, Carl. The happiness of people, shop owners, and like you say, those who run businesses because they were overjoyed. Oh, thank you for coming. Just exactly as you said, because they have suffered greatly economically. So many of the people called up into the IDF, some of them are gone, but tourists, when tourists are gone, their incomes are down. So that was one big one. Second, we were able to have some discussions with individuals that we didn’t know. I talked with one individual in a shop, had an opportunity to witness. He was a 44-year-old IDF officer and had a couple of his children in the IDF right now, but ended up talking with him about the Lord. He’s so close to coming to faith in Christ. That was a wonderful highlight of the trip. But from his perspective as well, until Hamas is defeated, until the enemies are defeated, the job is not done from him and others, as you talked about, I saw a great deal of division, some well trepidatious hope in this peace plan more or less.
I mean, at least there’s a cessation, but I didn’t get a sense from anybody, Carl, that they thought that peace was here. They’re glad for a little bit of a reprieve, but it didn’t seem like peace was here. I sense confusion on the part of many of them as to what really is happening with the United States, the President and what’s taking place. I noted a lot of confusion as well. So those are just some of my answers to what you just said there. But ladies and gentlemen, the one thing that I really did note, and it was very clear in our official discussions as a part of our summit, as well as just talking to people generally, and that was the fact of rising anti-Semitism, the fact that Israel is being surrounded, it appears, and this is a big one, America is moving away from Israel, and what will that mean for Israel?
And this bigger question of why, we’ll try to answer that one today. Well, if you’re just joining us today, thanks for being on board. This is a Wednesday focus, bimonthly focus on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. And today I’m really glad to have back with me, Dr. Carl Broggi, certainly well-known to all of you in our audience. He’s the senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina has a wife, five children host his own radio ministry and that I’ll give you the website to that radio ministry because it has a lot of q and a. It’s search the scriptures.org, search the scriptures.org so you can find more information there. But Carl, I’m really glad to have you back with us as we again revisit the Middle East, you were just there. You talked about some highlights, some things that you had seen difference from the last time you’d been there.
I gave just a few pieces of observations before that last break, but one of them that I would like to drive the balance of our program today is what I sensed very, very strongly in my week there with Christian media from around the world and from Israeli officials and others with whom we were dealing. It was very obvious to me. And that is this, I would say it’s the unmistakable shift in America’s identified support level for Israel. They are perceiving it based on certain clear things they’re reading and they’re seeing the research. And when I think the last research, Carl, I believe I’ve seen is that at one point, I think it was just the MAGA support, if you just take that, those who voted for Trump as an example in that category, the support for Israel not too many years past was like 70 30.
It was an overwhelming number of people, conservative and or evangelical and or Christian and or in that category that were in support of Israel. But that has now flipped where I believe the last numbers I’ve seen that would indicate more closer to 40% that would be in support in the younger generation, which is really key is even worse. Now, that being the case, anybody who’s looking at that from a policy matter says something’s big is happening. So it’s already impacting. I found in Israel security relationships with their neighbors Israel, they’re having to consider, wow, what happens next? Internal security considerations. And then, excuse me, then I heard many times this whole aspect of, well, if this happens, continues, what if America doesn’t support Israel anymore? How are we going to handle this? How are we going to deal with the things we’re going to deal?
Then they look at Donald Trump and they say, well, he’s done a lot for us, but he’s doing a lot for himself too, and he changes what he’s saying. So I look at that and I say, all right, I have my own conclusion as to what’s happening, but those are the things that I saw Carl. So in this segment, the next two, just take a look at this from a larger perspective here first and that is this, before we go to America, the next segment and the changes and why the broader global hatred toward Israel, what would you identify as the leading causes for the rise of anti-Israel hatred that we’re witnessing?
Carl Broggi:
Well, certainly the bottom line is I think it’s Satanic and Satan uses many secondary means in which to accomplish his goal. God prophesies this, of course, at the end of time, let me read Zechariah 12 a verse or two there. Behold, I’m going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling or you could say trembling or dizziness to all the peoples around. And when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. It will come about in that day and that day he’s looking down towards what we call the great tribulation called the time of Jacob’s trouble in that day. It is how that expression is used throughout the prophets. And I, I’ll make Jerusalem a heavy stone or the King James, I think says a burdensome stone, an immovable rock for all the people and those who lift it will be severely injured.
So here’s Zachary, the prophet lives 500 years before Christ. Every prophecy he made concerning the first coming we’re literally fulfilled. And so we have people today in reformation. Theology is reform theology as they call it, who deny the literal fulfillment of what we’re looking at. But Zechariah writes about it ever before it’s going to happen that there’s going to be this hatred towards the people of Israel. And when he speaks here of Jerusalem, it’s a syn, it’s a figure of speech where a part represents the whole. We use the same thing in English, like all hands on deck. What do we mean by that? Well, all the sailors, their whole persons, not just literally their hands. So when God speaks here of Jerusalem, he’s speaking of Israel, he’s speaking about the Jewish people, he’s speaking about those who are ethnically opposed to the nation who want to come against them.
There’s a lot that’s feeding it. The media portrays the Jewish people as being this genocidal nation that are trying to destroy the Gazan and so on and so forth, but behind it is the evil one. He’s always been behind it. And so that’s the bottom line. But again, we’re not greasing the skids to fulfill prophecy, but we’re recognizing though we are to do what God tells us to do in terms of blessing Israel. Nonetheless, it’s happening less and less, and I think there are some things going on in the background. There was a reason why President Trump was able to get all these Arab nations to meet him if there’s one location who have always been seemingly opposed to Israel, because I think he’s got some dealings and wheelings behind the scenes in terms of what he’s going to do with Israel long term, and that’s why they’ve been so amenable, and that hasn’t all come out yet, but it’s beginning to come out.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, let’s go a little further on that then. So in that Zechariah 12 prophecy, the burdensome stone, it talked about Jerusalem. Okay? You made it clear that it is all of how God views Jerusalem, his holy city, Jews, the called out people and the nation, the land. So all of those things are wrapped up all in what Zacharias talking about there, correct?
Carl Broggi:
Yes.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay.
Carl Broggi:
Exactly.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, let’s go a little further on that because in the midst of this, there is this term antisemitism that’s frequently used and I’ve heard some just the other day, and I want you to comment on this. I would say conservative pundit types could be a Candace Owen perhaps, or it could be a Tucker, it could be some of these others who are leading the way towards, they would not say a hatred of Israel, but here’s an argument that I just heard. I’d like you to get your response to it. And they’re saying this, wait a minute, we are not under any circumstance antisemitic. That is an absolutely wrong description. They would say, and then would go on and say that Israel is a secular state. What’s different between it and Iran or Bolivia or some other nation, whatever that is. And are we as pundits not allowed to raise questions about any of other nation, including our own? And so they say, so when we raise our voice and opposition to things happening in Israel, we’re no more antisemitic than anybody else. We just don’t like what they’re doing in that country. Sounds like a good argument. How do you respond to it?
Carl Broggi:
Well, I think to define antisemitism, it’s an irrational hatred towards the Jewish people. That’s the bottom line. And again, I would argue that it’s driven by Satan. You see it from the inception of history. In Genesis three 15, God speaks of this division that’s going to happen. And so Satan one tries to stop Christ from coming. Cain murders Abel, the demons intermarry with the daughters of men to try to pollute the human race. Pharaoh slaughters all the Jewish kids, Athalia murders the Jewish boys and the tribe of Judah where Messiah will come. Haman has his murder plot. King Herod driven by Satan, according to Revelation 12, tries to slaughter all the babies. Herod Aralia, his son does the same thing. They try to destroy Jesus before he is crucified, attempt after attempt, after attempt. And so I would say this bottom line, Sam antisemitism, is when you refuse to acknowledge one, the right of the Jewish people to exist in number two, the right of the people, the Jewish people to occupy the land in which they are on.
We’re not saying we never have said that we should give moral credence where the nation is immoral any more than the evangelical community would affirm a loose stance in the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A lifestyle or the abortion factories that are across the American nation. No, we don’t affirm those things. We speak against those and we would speak against any nation including Israel, where there’s moral compromise. But that’s very, very different from attacking the Jewish people, their right to exist, the right to stand on that land. Because when we’re doing that now we’re attacking God. We’re attacking his word because he defines Israel repeatedly in scripture as my land. So even the Jewish people, they’re on God’s land. And to mess with God’s land to quote Deuteronomy and Zechariah is to deal with the apple of God’s eye. It’s like poking God in the eye. And so we would be very foolish as an individual or as a nation to attack Israel’s right to stay on the land that God promised her or to attack The Jewish people. We’re not saying they’re perfect, they’ve never had a perfect history. In fact, the most revolutionary aspect of their character is still in the future during the great tribulation when they’re truly converted. But under the old covenant, we had a lot of rebellious Jewish people. They weren’t all lost, but of course they had a hard heart like most Gentiles did because of the nature of man before the work of the spirit.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, thank you Carl, very much Allegion gentlemen, hope that makes sense because you’re hearing all those things out there. What we do here on the program, which every believer must do, is take everything to the word of God, the authority of scripture when it prevails, it allows us to cut across all that’s taking place. And when we reveal and share God’s perspective, we’re always right. And when we come back, we’re going to talk about changes here in America. Alright, welcome back and Carl, let’s go further into this. Now, in the last segment, just in a broader perspective, I asked you about the broader rise of anti-Israel. You could say antisemitic told it’s ultimately anti God as the point you made. It’s in God’s plan as he’s laid out, which involves Israel. And that’s been going on for a long time. And yes, as you said, Satan is behind it.
He’s been behind it for well since from the beginning. So that is happening. So when you have a United Nations that does what it does, it’s this conglomeration of nations around the world. They’re all in agreement with just a couple exceptions that condemn Israel all the time. So they’re on the record over and over and over and over again. That’s on the broad global perspective. But America here has been in a different category and we talked about that earlier for a long time. We have been historically very strongly in support of Israel. I think when President Trump came along, in my opinion, I know people can take different opinions on this, but I think in my opinion, he was a consummate, is consummate politician. It was not hard to measure the base of those who had to vote for them. If you’re going to win, that’s the evangelical conservative base.
Well, just some years ago it was not hard. Again to note that if you wanted to get these people’s support and their money, you had to support Israel. Alright, so those are pragmatic decisions and they’re very clear that that’s the case. But these are changing now and that is the sense Carl that I got when I was here in Israel is that that real undeniable sense of change, broad change here in America, may sooner than later bring us as a nation to a point where we’re not doing things in the interest of Israel, not supporting them like we were. And in my opinion, I can look and I can say, well, I could predict a President Trump being a consummate politician deal maker more than he is a student of biblical prophecy or a lover of God to say, well, at some point I’m going to have to take a different position towards Israel because my base is telling me that, well, we don’t want you to do that.
But I felt some of that was taking place and being expressed when I was there in Israel is that people were saying, we’re not quite sure if we can really hold and trust the United States and even or this president. Alright, that brings it to this point. And what was not discussed, Carl, when I was there, except in smaller discussions with some of us, was why it is happening. The only argument that I heard and I’ve been hearing is that some are standing up and saying, well, the shift in American’s attitude toward Israel is happening because bad money, as they would call it, bad money, there’s a lot more bad money than good money, bad money meaning anti-Israel money, excuse me, than good money being supportive of Israel. Well, all right, if that’s the case, then all you just need to solve it is more money. But I think we’ll go deeper in that. Would you explain why you think there is such a change in what’s behind it?
Carl Broggi:
Well, you mentioned in the opening segment the diversity in support for Israel. I read something by Pew Research a few months ago, and if you were like 65 or above, over half of Americans were in favor of supporting Israel. If it was 30 and under, it dropped to 24%. If it was 20 and under, it dropped down to 14%. And so there’s this huge generational divergence in how we should look at the Jewish people. I think part of it, Sam, is where someone who’s 18 to 25 years of age and younger now where they get their news, they get it from social media, short video clips, all these platforms, podcasts and so forth, that for the most part are not pro-Israel, they’re against Israel. You go on any college campus, I worked on college campuses for 12 years and still have friends doing it. And it’s not pro-Israel at all.
In fact, if you stand for Israel, you’re almost risking a fight in some context. And so there’s all this that is unfolding there. And two, the memory of someone who’s 23 years old versus someone who’s 63 years old is very different. Even when I was a little boy, I would see on television these Holocaust pictures and these skeletal like people and the way Hitler dealt with them. Now we’re being raised where they don’t have those images much less. They’re on college campuses that are even denying the extent of the Holocaust. They can’t totally deny it, but they say, well, it wasn’t 6 million people, maybe less than a million, which is the new line that’s out there behind it all though. And so I think we need to engage as evangelicals who are Bible believing in pro-Israel using some of these means to try to get them to think differently.
But behind it again is Satan. Genesis three 15, God tells that the seat of the woman will crush Satan’s head signaling that Messiah is going to come and defeat him, but Satan would be in constant opposition to the people of Israel. We highlighted that a moment ago through the coming of Christ. And when you come to Revelation 12, the first half of the chapter describes how Satan was behind the destruction of the babies in Bethlehem. And in the second half of the chapter, it speaks of the second coming of Christ and how Satan will oppose Israel in the future. And that’s what we’re witnessing in our day, this growing opposition in hatred towards Israel. And it’s really rooted in Satan. And why does he have this hatred? Well, for the first coming, he knew that he lost once Jesus finally came, died on a cross, was raised from the dead.
And by his blood he dealt with his Colossians, said a death blow to principalities and powers. The only thing Satan has left to do is to try to continuing as the God of this world. And as long as Israel is either in existence or in unbelief, that’s a total impossibility. And so what is Satan’s new strategy to wipe out the Jews to have a hatred towards them? Because if Jesus has no one to come back to rule and reign over than the millennial kingdom where he’s read scripture, he’s bound for a thousand years, then that won’t take place. So he’s trying to stop that, delay it. And I think that’s what is driving the spirit of antisemitism today. Satan moving in the minds and hearts of lost leaders across the planet.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, and I would share that as well because one who understands any kind of fear of God or the Bible could not dispute any of that. So let’s go here a little further. But here in America we have a strong evangelical base, but we do know that that is enough for definition. What does somebody means? Because you’ve got evangelicals who don’t believe that Jesus actually lived a totally sinless life. 50 some percent of them don’t believe that. So we got issues there. But at the end of the day, Carl, rather than good money, bad money and all of that, obviously having an impact, as George Barna says in this program regularly, he said at the end of the day, he said, you do what you believe. You do what you believe. Alright? So in that regard, theologically, ultimately people do what they believe. And we’ve talked about it before here. There’s things, there’s theologies out there like dominion, theology, replacement theology, and those other things that are happening that have a direct view on whether a person views Israel as important to God or not. Walk through some of those theological views which are clearly having an impact on younger, I’m going to say as well as many older Americans.
Carl Broggi:
Well what we call traditionally today reformed or Calvinistic theology is having a huge impact on those who are under the age of 35. The word dispensational that actually appears four times in the New Testament. People think, oh, that’s a slur word. That’s some heresy. It appears four times in the New Testament in the older English, it’s usually translated stewardship or administration. And it just recognizes that at different times in human history, while God never changes the way he deals with people does change. And so what began to happen during the time of Augustine, I think largely because of his anti-Semitic spirits, if you read the city of God, his classic work, the guy’s an antisemite. And so he has a different view towards the Jewish people. He is teaching replacement theology. He plants the seeds for Roman Catholicism, Pope after Pope after Pope, some of the most heinous, wicked things are set about the Jewish people.
And that’s the atmosphere where Calvin and Luther come out of. And Calvin was an antisemite. People view him as this great guy. And okay, I’m not saying that he didn’t do some good things in terms of affirming justification by grace through faith alone, but he applied a different principle of interpretation when coming to prophecy. He allegorize scripture and because he allegorize scripture, he said, the church has replaced Israel when God made an unconditional everlasting covenant with the people of Israel. And so what’s happening if I didn’t teach say about homosexuality as a pastor, because maybe there’s people who’ve joined the church and they’ve got gay children and I don’t want to offend them or this or that, then I would be doing them a disservice. Not to mention the absence of teaching would create a vacuum for evil to spread. And the absence of teaching of what God says concerning the Jewish people through reformed theologians like John Piper, Voddie, Baucham, RC Sproul, these guys said that God was done with Israel. They had a very different view of prophecy and that’s created a vacuum for antisemitism to spread. If you don’t preach what God says about Israel blessing, Israel cursing Israel, and that’s an unchanging principle, then you’re going to give freedom for Satan’s plan to basically roll more freely down the road. And
Sam Rohrer:
So that’s where we’re at, I think. And ladies and gentlemen, that’s why we try on this program to give, what does God say? What does the word of God say? If we are consistent with that, we will be consistent with how we view those things that are happening around it. When we put into our own thinking we have big trouble, and that’s exactly what’s happening. And at the root of this change in America here towards Israel and God’s people, we’ll be back and talk about the peace plan, maybe not so peaceful. Well, as we go into our final segment here today, thanks for being here with us today. And again, as always, pass along this program to a friend, probably nothing better than you can do. Well, I’ll clarify that there is something better and that is to pray for us. Secondly is to help us financially.
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So you get my point. But do that because it is very, very important and we are thankful for all of you who are here with us daily and are helping in prayer and financially. Alright, Carl, let’s go back here. Now, I don’t know if you sensed when you were there, any attitude resulting from the peace effort, but I did, although as I mentioned earlier, that which really is the Trumper plan, it’s generally being referred to as a peace plan. Right At the very beginning I commented on it and I said, I didn’t see anything in it that looked awful peaceful. It was a real estate deal to me, which I think is very clearly coming forth. It’s a real estate deal, but within the context, it’s being pushed as at least a cessation in fighting. Therefore it’s a peace plant. And I actually found some visitors that were coming to Israel and I was there that were not looking into the details further of it.
And they said, oh wow, there’s no more fighting. So they’re responding that way. But here’s my question to you. In your opinion, when you look at that peace plan, and I did, I went down through all these 20 points, do you actually perceive it as a peace plan, as something that is going to lead to peace? And here’s a question to factor into that. Do you see as a result of what’s happening, this part, this point forward and going forward, a greater role for Israel or a greater role for perhaps Israel’s enemies? It’s a big question, but how do you respond to that?
Carl Broggi:
Well, I think it’s actually going to produce a greater role for Israel’s enemies. I say that for many reasons. When our president and I pray for our president, I’m thankful for many things that he has done, but he’s biblically ignorant in spite of all the people that he’s surrounded by. But some of the folks he’s surrounded by are Dominionists. They have a different view on Israel. Mike Huckabee certainly does not. He would probably be his best confidant if he would listen to what Mike actually says about Israel. But to say that just less than two weeks ago, that if Israel annexes Judea and Samaria, Judea and Samaria, for our listeners who may not know that’s what is called the West Bank today, but biblically it’s called Judea and Samaria for them that he will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. That’s absolutely ridiculous. That’s like me saying, I can’t annex my backyard. I already own my backyard. And Israel already owns Judea and Samaria, and they recognize that there’s hundreds of tunnels underneath the ground just like there was in the Gaza Strip that if not dealt with, they’re going to have another October 7th attack in a different section of the land.
Our president is going to be creating great disharmony for the people of America because to attack the land, to ask Israel to go back to their pre 67 borders, which is what he’s asking in that peace plan that’s going to make Israel indefensible from a human point of view. I know on the one hand you can’t defeat them because in the end, God is going to allow them to be sovereign, but they won’t be able to protect themselves with some of the plans that have come up. And that’s why I think all these Arab nations are like bowing down at Donald Trump’s feet and we love what you’re doing, and they recognize the implications of where this is headed. And so I just think it’s very foolish to mess with the land that God owns. And if our President moves in that direction, it’s going to be disastrous for the United States. God will judge our nation and we’ll experience a level of turmoil we’ve never met
Sam Rohrer:
Yet. Carl, I agree with you fully. And when I heard JD Vance’s response when he was over there and said, no, it will not happen. And then I went back and listened to the president’s comment in the White House, it will not happen regarding, they were saying using the term annexing. It’s interesting because the annex would mean to take something that doesn’t belong to you, but you made that point. They did in the Knesset by a majority vote, said, we will declare sovereignty over that land, meaning it is our land and we are now going to control it. This is a big deal. And when I heard later that the President had made a deal with the leaders of Qatar, which are the desperate enemies of Israel as a part of their money, I want your money in exchange for, I’m going to say to Israel, you cannot take that in my spirit, Carl, I grieved and I said, what is taking place? So you’re concurring that at the same time. And then I saw the other day, you have comment on that the coalition of nations that are a part of this deal that are going to be there supposedly in Gaza to help maintain order including Egypt and Turkey. And then just two days ago, the Turkish president declared that if Netanyahu or any Israeli leaders get into any kind of area of control of Turkey, they’re going to arrest them and put him in jail. We’re moving into bad time.
Carl Broggi:
You’re right. Even the new mayor of New York City said that if President Netanyahu ends up in New York, he’s going to have him arrested. I mean, that guy’s an anti-Semite to the core. And so again, what’s happened is now in the political right, which we would typically use as a term to describe those who had consistent biblical moral values, not that everyone’s born again, but biblical values. Now we’ve got guys like Tucker Carlson who’s walked right in the front door entertaining an antisemite whose hero is Adolf Hitler and not calling him out on the mat, and now has walked in the front door of evangelicalism through the reformed Calvinistic movement. And this is very, very dangerous. And in the end, Sam, as you know, God is going to judge the nations of the world on how they treated Israel. And the prophet Joel says, I will gather all the nations I’ve just turned there and bring them down to the valley of Jehosaphat.
We would call that the Kidron Valley today. And then I will enter into judgment with them on behalf of my people and my inheritance, whom they have scattered among the nations and they have divided up my land. That’s how God describes that portion of the world. He calls it the center of the nations, the apple of his eye. JD Vance, he’s not an evangelical, he’s a Roman Catholic. I pray for his conversion, but he has no idea any more than Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson doesn’t have a clue as to the significance of Israel and God’s plan for her. And he spouts off like he’s an expert, but he certainly is not.
Sam Rohrer:
Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for being with us today and all this commentary. Alright, how can we speak boldly and confidently? Because if we say what’s written on the pages of scripture and interpret it correctly, there’s great boldness and that’s how we would leave you today in regard to Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy and all that we see happening, say fixated on God’s word and you’ll never be moved.
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